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13 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

1. What deal? Who made this deal with you? That's not how it works. I'm a fan of Quentin Tarantino, but that doesn't mean that he owes me more movies after the next one, that's apparently his last movie. I've never made a deal with Quentin Tarantino, just like you've never made a deal with Axl. The deal is nothing but your imagination. It's not a real. If I decide that I'm a fan of your posts here, that doesn't mean that you have to post here for the rest of your life. That is such absurd logic. Quit acting like an entitled bitch. Axl has never promised you to release more music if you buy GNR merch. 

 

If he doesn't care about these songs, why did he release them? Why did they rework these songs with Slash and Duff and why are they playing them live? Why didn't Axl just abandon these songs if he doesn't care about them? If he didn't care about releasing music, you would think that he wouldn't release music. Instead he is releasing music. So that is pretty major evidence against your claim that he doesn't care about releasing music. When he is in fact releasing music.

1. well done for proving my point and not even realising it. Thank you! Yes, tarantino said he's done! Correct! What did Axl say? hmmmm... that's fucked ya.... Yes overlook where I said the merch is a part of the bigger picture. Very convenient. 

2. Have you heard what he's released? Maybe you haven't. If you had, you'd deduct that he couldn't give too much of a fuck, as literally every person that has heard each of the 4 have either said the mix is terrible OR the song is terrible OR both! I happen to like all 4 songs, but the mixes and way each was released was abysmal. If that's how you think your treat something you care about, I'd hate for you to care for me  

5 minutes ago, Rovim said:

idk it seems you still expect him to deliver like people who are no Axl release music. his last album was released 15 years ago, more than enough timet to adjust to the "new" reality that Gn'R is never going to operate like other bands. everything we get from here on out is a bonus imho. no matter what Axl still got unreleased or the potential of the current line up and will likely take years for anything more than a few tunes released to happen.

you can whine about it and repeat yourself as much as you want, it still won't change a thing or you can bu pleasently surprised if/when Gn'R releases more material. just my take on it.

I really genuinely hope this isnt your outlook to real life too. Axl lets us down, and rolling over and accepting it as fans isn't a great approach to it. I know there is probably very little we can do, but that doesnt mean im going to accept it either. there's little I can do about unjust wars and rapes etc, but doesnt mean I'll just say i dont give a fuck. GnR and TB suck

2 hours ago, allwaystired said:

The way I see it is that GNR don't 'owe' us anything. They don't want to make music - up to them. It's not like they're taking money from us and not delivering. We're not paying for albums they're not delivering. 

The other side is that it's very frustrating for people that have been fans for decades. It's made more frustrating by the carrot-dangling that's gone on for years of new material just being around the corner. That makes it feel very infuriating. 

If GNR said "no, we're done now, come and see us play if you want, it'll be the same music, but there's no new stuff planned, at least for the foreseeable future" I think the dynamic would change. I think most people would respect that honesty. 

 

I think they literally did point A with the perhaps release  though we did get it in the end...

points B and C are where you're spelling it out. Dangling carrots for literally THIRTY YEARS. It is insulting. I'd much rather they said it's over creatively. Like Kiss and aerosmith have. I am under no illusions what the deal has been with them for the past 10 years and I respect and embrace it. And so do the band, they seem liberated!

3 hours ago, Draguns said:

I heard exactly what you said. You were trying to equate new music with buying a ticket for a concert. The two  are totally separate.  Additionally, you were using the ticket  sales argument with saying that apologetics was produced. If anything, you didn't listen to what I was saying. In a backhanded way, you were trying to say that I was defending  Axl and not releasing new music.

I get the frustration of  not getting new music. I am disappointed as well. It is what it is though. If new music gets released then that that is great. If not then I'll just listen to songs by GNR and the solo efforts.  It is what it is.   With that being said, buying tickets for a concert or show does not mean that I am owed new songs. That argument is  illogical to say the least. 

To be clear, I dont think either of us were saying that because we went to a gig we should be given a new album. I won't speak for anyone but myself here, I was saying that it all factors in. It's part of the investment in the band, the gigs, the merch, the fandom. Axl saying theres  new music and it'll come, then disappearing and repeat etc. And I also would like to literally point out - we would pay for that new music and probably spend more money on brand GnR because of it. It's an unwritten rule which is observed by bands and their fans, bands write songs and release them and fans buy and listen to them. Thats as simple as it needs to be, any defence of Axl and GnRs record will fall short because for 16 long years Axl has fallen foul of that sacred agreement! Sorry i have to take it to the nth degree here, but it really is simple. I dont doubt you are too frustrated and disappointed too.

4 hours ago, Rovim said:

if a person has been acting a certain way for 30 years, would you bet on them to dramatically change their ways or accept that this is probably, for whatever reason, how they choose to be/are? I don't think Axl is ever going to be prolific so what's the sensible thing to do here if not to accept it for what it is and lower your expectations?

Believe me, my expectations are low  yet Axl found a way to limbo under them and still have fans inexplicably defending him

10 hours ago, Draguns said:

As Stone Cold Steve Austin would say: What???

No matter the performer, the only obligation they have  to the customer that bought ticket(s) for a concert or show is to  perform at that place of venue. To say that an artist or band owes you new songs because you bought a ticket to a show, it's just ABSURD!!! The contract is the ticket for the performance. It's NOT a contract for new songs.  Wow!

The logic from here is really out there!!

You're taking it too literally. No I do not believe if I buy tickets to a particular show I am owed anything other than a great performance. Soul Monster would love to paint it that way to make his axlsucking less cringe. What I am 'Owed' 'Entitled to' etc however you want to frame it, is a return on my investment in the band. Why am I? Because I buy the merch, follow the socials, buy the gig tickets, listen to the songs etc... to some degree, but more so because of the promise and constant tease of more. Axl has told us there will be 2 to 3 albums from CD. We have had 1. He never came out and said there wouldnt be any more. In fact he doubled down in 2016 again and said he wants to carry on and get all those songs out. All the members tease more songs, an album etc. They never deliver. It's not 'entitlement' it's simply asking for what we were promised. 

Most of you live in some weird delusional reality where to excuse Axls horrendous release record and lies to us, you say 'Oh he lives on a different timeline to the rest of the world' or 'His clock runs differently' As Stone Cold would say... WHAT?? Axl lives in the same time as us, 365 days a year, 24 hours in a day! Hes been on time for gigs for 10 years straight now! When he was running out of cash, he found the time to quickly play for russian oligarchs and arab oil barons didnt he!? So please stop using this stupid excuse like he's from another dimension to the rest of humanity. The excuses people make on his behalf... record companies, timezones, slash, managers, bipolar, fucking lars ulrich  He is letting down his fans. And that is what I do not find acceptable. 

21 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

He owes you songs because you bought tickets to live shows or merch or whatever? Are you on crack? 

No, he owes me songs because he is the 'artist' and i am the fan. That is literally the deal. Especially when he tells us he has all these songs and he wants to release them. You may like being a cuck to Axl and perhaps abuse and bdsm is your bag, that's cool, each to their own. But to others we expect something in return for our investment. Like pretty much every other band-fan interaction/transaction. 

20 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

 

I think he did. I surely expect to live that long. It's also possible that he doesn't really think about death much. I mean the songs are probably going to be released posthumously anyway, even if he dies. So his death doesn't really have all that much to do with whether or not the songs will be released.

 That he is a slow songwriter? Would you be satisfied if he said that?

The way Axl lived in the 80s and 90s it is not a stretch to assume a man of his lifestyle wouldn't make it to 60+. Obv I am glad he has, and to an even more miraculous extent, slash. No I do not think he is a slow songwriter. These songs weren't written slowly. Actually the amount they wrote, then recorded in that initial period was pretty rapid. It was the releasing that is slow or non existent. Stop finding excuses for him.

RE writing new stuff. It is not so much speculation as using all evidence we have and historical fact, and coming to a calculated and reasonable assumption. I am not throwing out wild guesses here. We have quotes from most musicians he's worked with the man himself in 2016, and the evidence of what has been released. Sure there's a chance I am wrong, in the same way there is a chance that one of us will join GnR as a nu member. 

I'd like to know your definition of caring? 26 years of having and not releasing these songs does not indicate caring - blackstar says he purchased the rights to the masters. Again does not mean he gives a damn, most likely given his personality it's a control thing or a 'You can't have them, even though i don't want them, i'd rather I have them for nothing than you have them for something' classic axl. I can't prove a negative. Just like you cannot prove he does care. We can all use the evidence before us and come to an informed decision that dictates our opinion. All evidence I have seen tells me he doesnt care. He did once, but no longer. Axl is like a controlling jealous husband not letting his wife go, not because he still loves her, but because he wants no one else to have her. Time to let go Ax. 

1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said:

While I understand your point, I just simply cannot agree. Everything this band does, for a long time now, is extremely calculated. It's not coincidence that both pairs of songs were released during US legs. I'm not saying the attempt is to boost ticket sales, they know people only come to hear the hits. It's just a cheap gimmick to make it look like there's something new and exciting happening. That's it. 

I don't think GnR and TB have the capability to do anything that is extremely calculated. GnR did play a show in US in 2022 and released nothing then. I think it's hard to say there's a pattern on 2 examples. Sample size is too small. It could just be totally random and happened to be when they were in US. We know perhaps was probably going to be released earlier. And we know Hardskool was soundchecked in 2019 or 2020, i forget which, then delayed due to pandemic. I think you're giving them too much credit for them to plan to give us something that is 'new and exciting'. They havent got a scooby doo what they are doing. (not a clue, for our US friends)

Guess what Dave, you failed. Axl has done fuck all as a creative force. 

1 minute ago, Sweersa said:

An example is Perhaps being much quieter than the brick walled Hard Skool and The General. They need to utilize professionals for the mixing and mastering. The 2008 album was not perfect, but it did have a great master, and an OK mix. (Needed the bass guitars cranked though, IMO)

Yeah these 4 singles sound like 4 different studios with 4 different producers and 4 different systems used with the idea being to sound as different as possible. There's zero correlation. In an album format you tend to mix as an album for continuity. CD i thought was fantastically mastered, and agree the bass should have been higher but apart from that those mixes sounded ace. It's crazy 15 years more advanced they could be so much worse. I think most of the new songs are good enough to be on an album which makes it harder to take

42 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

The same songs that would have made up this album are also not being received well outside a small core of diehards ... ??? It doesn't matter what way they chose to release them, the general public thinks these songs are garbage, and quite frankly, so do a lot of the diehards! 

If they released all 12 at once, there would 2/3 songs that every fan of GnR would like though. That's the point. Nobody expects 12 classics and an all time great album either from scratch or CD leftovers. The point is, releasing 1 song at a time and then nothing for a year or so means that single song gets scrutinised to hell, then moved on from quickly. If the single they choose to release is more experimental or weaker, then everyone piles in and says the band is shit. If Absurd and The General are on a 12 song album which is coherently mixed and ordered, with songs that are radio friendly (hardskool, atlas) and more epic and AAA songs (Monsters) then people will find the ones they do like and be more positive. 

When you buy an album, if you like 4/5 songs on it, you'd probably say it's a decent album. If you like 6+ it's a very good album. When you release one single, if you don't like it, thats it. You dont like. everything is negative. It's almost like axl can't bear to release these songs, then when he does, he's so scared to fail, he releases them in a way where they are doomed to fail so he can just accept it. It's bonkers and no one else with a marketing brain would do it this way. But this is Axl. and TB. they're from a different planet

1 hour ago, gavgnr said:

Stumbled across this on YouTube. Have to say it’s pretty damn good!

 

Good skill in the playing and the singing, however my only criticism would be that they play the songs exactly the same, just on an acoustic guitar. Songs like Nightrain would sound great written as a proper low slung bluesy acoustic. I don't like power chords particularly on an acoustic guitar, they could have rearanged them to be actual acoustic style songs, rather than just hard rock songs played on an acoustic guitar. 

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

Interesting to see the acoustic arrangement. But the vocals put me off, when people imitate Axl, and it clearly comes off as imitation, it usually becoming hard for me to listen to it, it quickly falls on the wrong side of the awesome/cringe division. That being said, the singer is clearly talented with a great range. 

I think if you just listen to the singer without watching the video or seeing his face, it makes it less cringy. maybe its a trick of the brain or the eye, but when i watch him it does seem cringy. then just hearing him he actually sounds pretty powerful

If someone asked me to describe America to them, I'd just send them the video of this performance. 

Slash' Killing floor is already at 1m yt views in 3 days. The General is at 1.5m in 6 weeks. Amazing what a bit of promotion and interviews do. 

16 hours ago, kingcanyon said:

That reminds me that I forgot to mention what the alleged engineer on the album said. According to what he told me Metal Chesnut has Axl on piano or did apparently there was discussion about Teddy re recording Axl's piano parts on the song so the focus isn't on Axl over Slash. But also apparently if it goes down well with people then Axl doesn't mind writing lyrics and record vocals for it so it would replace witichta lineman during shows.

 

But take that as you would because I think he's just a troll

fake troll. dont give him another line on this forum. doesnt know if axls piano has been re recorded LOL but knows specifically it's going to replace witchita lineman in the set .. IF axls on it and IF he writes lyrics. IF i had tits i'd be a woman

2 hours ago, The Matinator said:

The "things have happened and things will happen" quote makes me think the plan to compile all the single releases into an album might still be a thing.

Sounded more to me like utter nonsense

2 hours ago, TheGeneral said:

Yeah, I guess.

To be honest I'd rather have another experimental Steven Tyler-solo record. His country album was really good and I'd love to see what he could come up with if he wouldn't focus on a single genre. I just need to hear that voice again, man.

His country album was fantastic. The day he dies is the day rock music dies. sure axl n slash and probably keith richards might still be here, but Tyler epitomises it. He should be cryogenically frozen until they can bring him back to life. 

I thought this was going to be originals - didn't realise it was covers. That's disappointing, but like the first single. 

On 3/4/2024 at 9:17 PM, bmus1 said:

I know Brain is allegedly the drummer on Hard Skool, but nothing about the drums sound similar to any other song he recorded with GNR. Playing style, drum tone, even compression levels. The Perhaps drums got squashed to hell and back and sound nothing like HS.

I still like the theory that it was a drum machine with parts written by Frank, programmed by him and Melissa. Frank's live part has a lot of resemblance to the studio version, but still has a few embellishments that give it the human element. Compared to Perhaps where the drums are totally different live than Brain's studio version, and Frank is slamming the hi-hat for the majority of the song. Also, this would support the idea that Slash and Duff actually contributed creatively to Hard Skool and added in the bass intro. Huge doubt that GNR would book a recording session for Frank to do new drums for Hard Skool. But they would record guitars and bass in their home studios, and program a new drum part on the road. This is a lot of conjecture but it all makes more sense than Brain playing drums on the song.

Wouldnt it be nice if someone in the band could just tell us. You know, like every other band. 

On 3/5/2024 at 4:59 AM, Free Bird said:

I‘m glad it’s not as prominent as most people thought it would be. I wanna rock n roll and not some gangster rap sounds

Didn't realise gangsta rap was full of dark orchestra 

Any news on a new GnR album is Fake News. it's been 16 years. 8 years with sluff. We know for 99.99% certain they have not written any new songs together and if we are lucky they will release 2 more songs from the leftovers. They've also only released any of the 4 new songs whilst touring, and they have no shows scheduled at all, and we know slash is busy this year. So let's all just pray for more leaks. Fuck you GnR fuck you TB, gimme those leaks

The new Duff song Fallen, the music video is just using clips from the GnR Tour that only feature duff and susan. I guess at least someone is getting their moneys worth out of all of it

1 hour ago, Rovim said:

I would prefer it if he worked with a different singer, but I think Slash doesn't have issues with MK's voice or the quality of the albums. 

sidenote: with all the singers Slash has worked with, I don't think he ever found a good long term singer who had Axl's charisma or was close to as good as a fit musically. 

Scott weiland was, but he was also just as messed up and difficult as axl. he was the 90s/00s jim morrison. There were some great collabs on the 'Slash' album too, not that they would have made great full time bands, but he's been arounf enough. There aren't many he hasn't worked with

10 hours ago, jacdaniel said:

SMKC is very rushed these days. They can only tour when Guns needs a break and the quality wasn’t really there on the last 2 albums. A lot of that is because they don’t have the time.

I could see Slash at some point wanting to focus more on that. 

 

I think they've just reached their creative peak already. AL was great and World on fire was even better. The last 2 albums were both bland and meh with the odd good track. Like most bands. you get 2-3 classics and the rest become generic or rehashed or experimental. Only the beatles went godlike for multiple albums. led zep had a great 4/5 album streak too. But we're talking the elite here, SMKC are great but they aint elite all timers. Most people argue GnR were one great album and a second great album hidden in a double album at best. 

He definitely sounded much better on the european leg, so would recommend those shows. Still sounded good in US, but you could hear his voice start to crack a bit and he was moving around more, in europe he was still pretty motionless so voice was better.