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8 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

The details behind how the reunion came together are what I'm more interested in. Why did Axl call Slash, what did they say, etc.

Axl: "Pint?"

Slash: "Aye."

Axl: "Cool."

Duff: "Time?"

Axl: "Noo."

Duff: "K."

That's how it went doon. According to legend.

1 hour ago, El Guapo said:

It's impossible to create great music this way, it would be such a turn off and most likely end up being shit. So that's probably exactly what will happen.

It's hard enough trying to apply that approach when it is the same player(s) on all recordings. Let alone different players with different styles, recorded in different studios, in different decades!

Just now, El Guapo said:

I hope everything Chinese will be thrown away for now, he can release it later for those who want to hear it.

 

100% yes. Fully agree. People advocating a spliced drum track from 1997 and 2006, a vocal track from 2002, with newly recorded guitar and bass parts mixed with guitar parts recorded in 1998, 2001, 2005 and 2010 are off their bloody heads!

8 hours ago, jamillos said:

With one exception. There is an exception to everything. 

Listen min, I'm scottish, am telling ya! It's a resounding fucking naw!!!!!!! Haha!

5 hours ago, jamillos said:

The cornrows were effin great, especially the 2006 version! 

A ginger white man with cornrows is never cool. Ever.

1 minute ago, something.always said:

I don't count the ten years I was in the clink.

This is a brilliant response! 👏😅🤣😅

5 hours ago, Sweersa said:

That's too bad. Seems to happen with a lot of bands. Maybe nothing is better than mostly shit. (GN'R) Though even if most of CD2 turns out to be garbage I'd take that over nothing.

Good job Nothing arrived then! And that's all we'll be getting. 

3 minutes ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

And how on earth should anyone have an answer to that question?

It was sarcasm mate! 

Serious question: how many pages will this thread get to before a new album arrives!?

Izzy's songwriting chops seem to have a mythical status around here. As good as the stuff he wrote on the albums he was involved in, his solo stuff isn't exactly much, if any better better than what Slash, Duff or Axl has produced since. He also left the band 30 year ago!

1 hour ago, rocknroll41 said:

I think the real problem is that the record label and the casuals (and maybe even some of the band members themselves) all want to do Appetite For Destruction 2, whereas Axl and a lot of us diehards all want Chinese Democracy 2 (literally and figuratively).

…So they should comprise and make Use Your Illusion 3!

I wouldn't class myself a casual fan. And I definitely would not want another mess of an album like Chinese Democracy! 

Choose Your Confusion. 

Good to see Wee Suze's name pop back up on this thread. As we steam towards page 400.

13 hours ago, Draguns said:

Was that the show, which Pink came on towards the end of Patience? If so, I was at that concert. 

Aye! That's the one. I was completely pished by that point, but I do vaguely recall!

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

I'd say they probably had more impact at the time (didn't they sell more?) but history has come to hold AFD in much higher regard among people who aren't so interested. 

In my view though, the Illusions are better AFD.....but that's just a personal choice thing. 

They had more immediate impact for sure. AFD took a year or so to take off. But when it did... 

For many years I never listed to Appetite as I had just played it to death when I was younger. But I stuck it on again recently and I was right back in there, like a child! But I think I would likely agree with you on the preferring the Illusions. 

11 hours ago, Free Bird said:

The Illusions are too big, sold way too much and produced too many hits to be irrelevant in any shape or form. And that's without considering the trilogy videos and the notorious UYI-Tour. They will be remembered as the biggest band in the late 80s and early 90s and probably as the last real rock n roll band.

Even talkin about AFD as one 'good' album is bullshit and you know that.

I would agree that the Illusions are great albums. But the number of threads and conversations around 'the ideal single album Illusion tracklist' alludes to the fact that they are not held in the same regard as AFD, even by GNR fans. There are some great tracks on them for sure, but there is some utter shite as well. Though to be fair, I don't think they are held in anywhere near the same disdain as say The Stones Roses' Second Coming album (which is unfairly panned), but AFD is viewed by critics as 'the one'.

2 hours ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

It was part of the trilogy (bridge school, golden gods, Rio). Assbas intro to scom was epic too

Neither this...

34 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Ashba’s guitar was out of tune. Super embarrassing!

... or indeed this, provide me with any wish to watch it now!

31 minutes ago, Dean said:

I find it incredibly displeasing that a fellow Scot would go for Bill instead of Wullie 

Hahahahaha! Ya ken whit, yer right! Fair to call oot!!  

3 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Don’t forget Golden Gods 2014… good fucking god…

I don't believe I ever watched the full thing. Was it a howler?!

4 hours ago, RussTCB said:

The only venue I can ever recall Axl treating as special has been Madison Square Garden. The first show at Hammerstein Ballroom I went to was pretty special, but I don't think that had anything to do with the venue. 

Aaah so that would explain why Wee Bill, Saul, Mikey, Darren and co were on such good form when I saw them in 2017 in MSG. My history of trying to see GNR was poor... every gig they had booked in Glasgow which I was due to see... had been cancelled! So on route to a wedding in Vegas, I caught them in MSG and had a rip roaring time! 

9 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Lineups of bands change. GN'R delivered half or less of what they should have during the CD era, but it could have been worse.

Oh aye, band lineups do change and sometimes those changes are better! I'm a huge fan of Sabbath and Purple fan, and both bands have had multiple lineup changes over the years (big fan of the Gillan and Coverdale-eras as well as Ozzy and Dio-eras). But rarely do bands have 2 such iconic figures in the same vein as Axl and Slash (and to lesser degree Duff) which really come to define the band's public persona. Axl's public credibility was low after the early 90s diva years and he made a big statement basically firing everybody and starting afresh. Or attempting to. For all the hurrah over the 2002 lineup, they basically played the entire AFD album, a few tracks off the rest, along with 4 or 5 new tracks. If he wanted to do a Fleetwood Mac and completely reinvent the band, he didn't exactly embrace it by playing all the old material. But why did he do that? Because that's what the broader fanbase wanted. Bar a few people on GNR forums, most people didn't know who was in the band. I'm not sure how much worse the CD-era could have gotten, because there were points which were eye wateringly cringey (e.g. Leeds 2010, Bridge School, Rock in Rio/yellow rain coat, Dublin walk off, multiple cancelled tours, 2002 MTV VMAs, the list goes on). Had the CD-era been more cohesive, more people would take it seriously as a genuine follow on from the original-era. 

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

We must not be from the same timeline.

By that logic, the next album will be partially legitimate as a GN'R album since Slash will probably just shit on CD2 a bit. 

I could be mistaken here, but I don't recall at any point during the nu-Guns era, many/any journalists accepting the ever changing line ups as legitimate GNR lineups. Most people saw it for it was; an Axl Rose solo band. And that's perfectly fine like. Had he managed to get his act together after the Rock In Rio 2001 relaunch then there is a chance people would have potentially accepted the band as a legitimate follow on from the Slash-era. But we know how that worked out!

2 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Same. A self-titled album during the CD era would have been a great statement. 

Absolutely not. Nobody in the press regarded CD as a legitimate GNR album, and for obvious reasons. Trying to bring legitimacy to an ever changing line up by releasing a self titled album would not have been well received! When people generally think of GNR, they don't think of a man with a yellow rain coat on, with an upside down KFC bucket on his noggin, and a Michael Myres mask!

8 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

To call axl fat, and to say he can't sing anymore...

Might be harsh. But it's also fairly accurate! Charge the prices he does for a concert, and this is what ya get.