Alja

7 hours ago, BluegrassBlues said:

That's one thing I'll totally agree on, I know its been said how Axl was never a "junkie" but even as a huge fan of his some of his behaviors can't be explained down to mental health only. He even had the cokehead look, if that makes sense lol 

When? 

9 hours ago, BucketEgg said:

gross story from reddit, posted 2023

https://old.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/165i5lf/luxury_california_resort_accused_of_restricting/jyfrxa0/?context=8&depth=9

 

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Person 1: Anybody old enough to remember when this place was called 'Vacation Village'

The location is amazing. But I wouldn't exactly call it luxury.

Person 2: I worked there as a bellman 20 years ago. It was called Paradise Point Resort and Spa at that time. People don't know, but it was actually built on top of a landfill. .

Person 1: Nice, I have fond memories of going there with my parents when I was a kid - living in Anaheim. We would stay easter weekend, and they had easter egg hunts. It was called Vacation Village at the time, and at some point they briefly changed their name to Princess Resort when they were briefly owned by the cruise company.

Person 2: It's a beautiful place and great for families. A lot of celebrities stay there. I met Axle Rose there and drove him around on a golf cart we used to transport hotel guests around the resort. They still had the Easter egg hunt when I was working there. There are several pools on the property, a mini golf course, tennis courts, and the view of the bay is killer. You're right that it was called Vacation Village and Princess Resort. I got fired for partying with the guests, lol. Great memories of that place!

Person 1: Axl Rose! He must have been staying at the presidential suite lol.

yah, I remember the mini golf and the quad-bikes (first place I had seen have them).

Person 2: He did not stay in the Presidential Suite, surprisingly. He told our front office manager, upon being asked what he was going to do during his stay, that he was going to "do Heroin and shit all over the room." When I arrived at work the morning after he checked in, a security guard told me that at the wee hours of the morning, he was called to a disturbance at the room and came upon a naked woman banging on the exterior of the door crying that her husband had locked her out of the room. Upon entering the room, he saw that indeed Mr. Rose had smeared human excrement all over the walls of the room. He also ran up a huge room service bill and then stiffed the hotel apparently and did not pay before checking out. A friend told me later that this was typical of Mr. Rose when he stayed at hotels. True story.

Person 3: People seriously underestimate how often rich people do this. I used to work at Gaslamp Hilton and Marriot, and the amount of times housekeeping had to clean up excrement left all over high-end suites was absolutely astounding.

 

On the other side, Axl has a reputation of being meticulously clean

On 7/8/2023 at 6:49 AM, meadsoap said:

Definitely. I think a book from Axl would still make a huge impact. There's so many people (men especially) of Axl's generation living with the effects of abuse that they're afraid to acknowledge. There's also people who battle depression/other mental health issues and feel like it's a fight they may lose in the end. I feel like Axl's book/life could serve as an example to some of those people and really help them (it certainly did for me, but that's a whole 'nother spiel). It's to my understanding that he's already used some of his experiences as a means to help others (like in his 1992 interview, where Axl said he had helped counsel a child who had escaped an abusive home like he did). If Axl spoke so clearly and powerfully about it then– when he had only started to go to therapy and begin to understand himself and his life– imagine what he would have to say now. 

Sadly, the reunion seems like it will prevent this from happening. Axl has chosen to silence himself for Slash and Duff's sake, which is pretty disappointing. Especially since I feel like there's much more to the story than either of them are willing to let on.

I've found is in a completely different forum but it hit me like a train. 

Apart from trust issues, bused child grown adult has really twisted point on things like consent, boundaries and all those things you are supposed to understand and respect as an adult. If you meet other adult, you usually don't consider that maybe this one in particular had grown up in an environment where basic human boundaries were repeatedly violated, where screaming "No!" was a waste of energy and where at the end no one came to help or stop it. People who grew up in such an environment, when they escape, they have no clue how abnormal it is. And the people in more healthy environment also basically don't know what's going on, that's how much unimaginable these essential things are broken in them.

Little spoken is sexual abuse in men, both the more alarming one, where the victim is a child and is abused by men (especially continuous abuse from a person child knows), and lesser visible sexual abuse by women, especially in young teenagers, but can happen at any age. Men are supposed to like sex from any woman any time, and it being the one thing all their lives direct to, thus "no" or other signs of them actually not liking, even actively refusing it, is not taken seriously. Another moment, and that man is supposed to fully understand the meaning of consent. 

One thing I agree on is possible protecting Slash and Duff and what they had said during the split and the other thing is if he's willing to be eviscerated by media in such a private topic, and I bet they would pull out every dirty laundry ever and all the cliché and bad reputation ever. Like... people would shower Lewis Capaldi in sympathy for him fighting his disease and put Axl down for him...ehm...aged. People still overreact on Axl and thirty years after he had spoken about child abuse and mental health, is still fighting things like cancer or injury or any corporal disease taken as a heroism, but fighting your demons and upbringing and not being bright eyed and bushy tailed and playing well with others all the time considered your fault. 

They say Axl never stands to defend himself... and I feel sorry for him more than ever now.

Axl is introspective and verbally gifted, and at the end, he found how to escape the patterns that would hurt him and people around him. If he put this together in a book, it could be a guide to many people. Be it victim of an abuse and neglect, or people who can recognize these patterns in otherwise likable person with idiosyncrasies. I've already learned a helluva lot through him and I'm forever grateful.

9 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Also @Alja last time I was at the rail and saw Jarmo he was stood there picking his nose so that’s not better is it 

That man is the biggest pile of wasted potential I've ever seen walking

12 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I’m sure a lot of the attacks are from GnR fans as well. 

And there is that creep Andrei in the video right next to Axl   

Kinda glad I’m not going to any shows this year again - at least I won’t get my view blocked by some “intelligent models” who don’t even know who the band is (or care). 

There are no intelligent models anywhere in the sight. Get a good ticket and come early and you can choose the spot you like. The rail is empty when EEs enter and there are only security guys and Jarmo in between the rail and the stage. 

Look at the photos from shows, all shapes and sizes of the people in the front. 

On 5/22/2023 at 12:28 PM, BucketEgg said:

 

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OK, I read the following on another message board where the
topic was sex with gay celebrities. I am certainly not vouching
for the accuracy of any of this, as we all know that you take
what you read on the net with a huge grain of salt. Some name
names, others are blind. Any comments? I'd never heard rumours
of some of these people, but hey, you never know.

"well i suck and fucked or got sucked and fucked by 2 musicians
(different times). one has been open about working the streets
when he first got here so i will mention his name axl rose from
guns 'n roses. he was hustling on santa monica blvd. the other
was just always horny, not really gay. i think i was in the
right place at the right time back then. and that is really what
it comes down to."

 

 

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By "one has been open about working the streets when he first got here so i will mention his name ", I wonder if that user was trying to communicate the idea of whether Axl would mention doing that sort of stuff, or people around the place just knew that Axl was doing that sort of stuff.

The one below, if it's an imagined story by the author, then it's nasty, but if it isn't, then it's rather sad. (Not the sex story sort of trash, but a more "Axl Rose seemed rather ill in this moment" and it's an unpleasant story sort of trash). But I find it interesting nonetheless, because although the author doesn't state the circumstances, if it's legit, the circumstances that must've been there for the story to happen would've been bizarre.

posted 2014:

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User 1: Best: A tie between Chef Duff Goldman (Ace of Cakes) and Dave Coulier (Uncle Joey) Worst: Darren Aronofsky and Axl Rose

I cant tell you how awesome Duff Goldman was. He was the sweetest and nicest guest I think I have ever had. He even made the staff a cake to thank us. And Dave is still hilarious. At check out when I was thanking him for his stay, he answered with a "cut it out". This Full House fan nearly lost it.

User 2: As a fan of both, but recognizes they are huge douches (especially Rose) I gotta hear your Aronofsky and Rose stories.

User 1: Aronofsky was just a rude guest, like by the book, rude. And he had me send so many faxes and didnt like the pool view suite we had him in because of the view! Now this was when I worked a hotel with desert views, really spectacular for a city hotel and he wanted the view of the back streets. And the faxes! Sweet jesus that man loved to fax. I was the Overnight Supervisor at that point, so I would spend 1am - 3am sending faxes for him. Every night,I would send up to 45 pages of faxes. Each one to a different number or a set of 5 pages to one number and the rest to a different.

Rose..well to be honest, all I did was check him out. He smelled like shit to the point that in my 5 minutes in front of him, I had to guess that the chances that he pooped himself were quite high. And he was more of Space Cadet then..well..anyone really. Check out should take a total of 2-5 minutes. Maybe longer if they are telling you a story or complaining. His? 15 long minutes. And he didnt talk, he was just floating around the lobby. I had to call him back to the front desk, because he was paying in cash. He would count a certain amount then wander off. In fact, he was under a fake name but I had to remind myself that this was our VIP. Because throughout that ordeal, I thought he was just a homeless man who found a bunch of money and shit his pants.

 

Like… this is scary, because although it fits some medication misuse or drug abuse which weaned after some time, and Axl was into psychedelics, yet this is also how a person bleeding into the brain can appear. It can happen to anyone anytime and can kill in hours - and they left him roam around without someone keeping an eye in him… 

On 10/27/2022 at 7:34 AM, BucketEgg said:

i'm too young to know what old people dream about, but sometimes I wonder if Axl has nightmares about being a child.

like imagine playing at a big show, he's with his band mates and the audience are cheering and things are going well.

and then he goes to sleep,

and then while dreaming, he's back to being just a child at Lafayette, Indiana, with his stepfather and mother, and all the bad stuff that comes with that.

Eventually he wakes up, but nightmares about past situations sometimes make you feel weird for a while upon waking up.

i wonder if Erin or Stephanie had nightmares about Axl too...

Do you mean that guy who's performance style is incredibly catchy because of his insecurity? The guy who always carries it all onstage?

He may still have nightmares.  He would destroy his teeth with grinding in his youth. He may still have stage fright he always used to, but now he can fight it different way than disappearing for days nowhere to be found and overall has better control over his emotions. On the other side, now he has safe environment, a family, tight circle, and the sense of belonging. Which doesn't cure nightmares and night terrors, but makes it better. That frightened two years old Axl was talking about in the past looks happy and enjoying himself now. 

Side question: Does Stephanie have feelings?

Controversy fuels the debate, take it easy

@kiwiguns I'm happy that he doesn't skip the leg day 😁

If you are considered "unique", it's not that you have something no one had ever seen in any human... actually, I can trace some of Axl's unique traits in other people, too. But still, his combination and the intensity is something you meet once in a lifetime. He sees perspectives others don't see and marches to the beat of his own drum. I can experience the world as a pattern, to describe it the best I can, and Axl is an entirely different tone in that pattern. A head turner. Kind of intimidating and provocative. If you see Slash and Duff, they are way more of your guys next door kind of people, more smooth, more to fit in. There are many different characters in rock'n'roll, like working class hero Brian Johnson, sharp and smooth Jagger, theatrical Tyler, golden god Plant or aristocratic mage Pagey, all those cool, laid back guitarists... you pick who you resonate with.  

He might have not change the whole field, but sure as hell he left a deep scratch on the culture. Axl is a man of open questions, of unanswered and vague, as a songwriter slightly detached from latest news.

We are all humans and one of Axl's most beautiful traits is being just human. Nothing more, nothing less. Flesh and bones like anyone, yet soaked with contagious amount of life. Humble, vulnerable human, genuinely himself, at times standing on the front boxes in the front, tiny and huge, just happy that he can share a piece of his heart. The way he's giving it all. Enigmatic and readable like an open book. He doesn't need to tell you how it feels like, he lets you know. 

He doesn't have a legacy advantage of dying in the height of their fame an abilities as many of whom he's compared to: be it Hendrix, or also Lennon. Or Jim Morrison... or... others who didn't make it to be thirty? I think Slash said that even in creative business, from all the people he'd met, Axl is the most unique. 

6 hours ago, EvanG said:

I agree, I think it's only part of it. If he was an open book like Dave Grohl, who seems to be very approachable, then I think there would be less fascination but still (some) people would be fascinated.

1 hour ago, mystery said:

What's interesting is that he can be very friendly and approachable when he wants. Not to the level of Dave Grohl, but through most of the Chi-Dem period, people who worked with him seemed to have an impression that he was this anger machine which changed when they met him. Even with fans, there's a surprising amount of candid photos he's taken with them. 

Basic difference between Dave and Axl is that David is basically your next door guy personality, while Axl is unique. Read any description and sooner or later it will be mentioned. Sooner or later will be mentioned his unusual and very high intelligence. One reason I think he doesn't speak anymore is that he communicates slightly differently. Read some of his old soulsearching interviews. He speaks in pictures and distant connections and it sounds weird. Trust me, it's also how my head works and basically it needs people being adjusted to it if I want to tell something complex. There's also massive gap between persona he created and the man he actually is. People wanted angry young man who apart from being racist homophobe kills small dogs and thinks that kids dying in the crowd is cool. Axl turned from excited, everything sharing to seldom giving interviews after Donington... and eventually abandoned explaining himself later on. 

I think it puzzles people because when you are famous, they had read and heard anything and everything about you. Now imagine meeting someone who you expect to be a started firecracker and is actually easy going. Some go easy with it, while others will project and search for what they expected first. 

Relying on my people instinct, he's actually "reading people for beginners", at least onstage and... in one sentence describing his unique intelligence you will find "harshly honest guy". People tell you to be unique. They tell you to be honest. But they actually tolerate just some limit for this and then the ask you to switch to normal like it was possible. They want watered down and sugarcoated "honesty" and limited uniqueness. It's eventually socially crippling, you feel like others being initially told what to do in life, what's proper and what's too much, and you are there like a dropped off Martian. Mix with experience of harsh bullying and you have a person who is very cautious outside the tight circle and easy to startle and be overly (aggressively) defensive. Other Axl's remarkable skill is mirroring. It makes him outstanding performer. He is up to childlike shy and magnanimous if he feels good with people, but can be harsh while not.

This breed is rare, but Axl is not the only of the species. Yet his personal history also adds a lot of fuel into it. 

Note: Bipolar mood swings last for weeks to months. Mood swings in hours to minutes do not appear in bipolar, unless there is some other included.  Irritability can origin in hypersensitivity and what looks as a hissy of a spoiled brat, is meltdown (reference: Mick Wall about rising his autistic child. Not exclusively in autistics, but high probability of seeing it in an autistic). Also, bipolar usually worsens with age, others, like ADHD, borderline personality or PTSD can be managed and get better with time (general information).

Because he is the packagest deal in the history of package deals. 

Normally, and this includes also like Slash or Duff, people have you'd say one, straightforward vibe. Their traits are on some level, but just one of the opposites. Like, masculine or feminine. You can pick them and put them in the box ant it will be just fine and working. Many people love having things in their boxes. You know one and you know all in the box.

Then you have this Axl Rose kind of people. He's androgynous. Until this day he posses both masculine and feminine charm, which can be very upsetting, because it triggers an attraction which it basically shouldn't. He's both tough and vulnerable. Open and pushing forward and shy. Wildly destructive (at least in the past) and timid. He resists definition. He's honest about who he is, no bullshit, no white lies, no playing it nice (rather stay silent now). He used to be the child screaming that the emperor is naked. He digs and uses intense feelings people oftentimes are not comfortable with in a world they settled for. 

I don't think he ever was able to guess the middle, neither keep it or walk it, like it's usual in adults. He rather balances opposites and in a powerhouse like him, it's all firecrackers. The thing is he now I guess voluntarily manages to do mood switches, and people perceive that changes, he can still be unpredictable at times, but mostly, as far as I know, he has it under control now. He's one of those people who you feel under your skin, like it or not. 

Some people like it and find it mesmerizing and actually relieving, that they are not the only ones seeing things certain way, and it upsets a lot of people. Axl would always create controversy by his plain personality, I just think he used to aggravate this natural trait to send a message, that something is not like it's said, something is wrong. And that there are things you can ultimately change. 

So basically Axl cannot be put in any box and what he intensely radiates is that we all are a package made of everything who we are, what's inside us, and what we went trough in life, both positive and negative traits and experiences. Deal with that, narrow minded people. 

Okay, end of the trying to define undefinable. 

Not 100% sure about the source, but this is more probably Bill/Axl around age 14

17 hours ago, alfierose said:

Well spotted. Yeah definitely not 14 then. He does look very young though.

He must be around time when they signed record deal, so.... 24-25? I doubt 14yo Axl would be allowed to have long hair and he probably looked younger than his age when he was 14, more like - pre-teenage-cannot-really-tell-if-boy-or-girl or so. He was small and skinny and delicate. 

His face on the pic has more adult shape than his teenage mugshots. 

15 hours ago, lame ass security said:

That is a really cool pic, relaxed and having a good time.

Who is the shoes owner who they all talk to?

On 2/11/2021 at 5:02 PM, janrichmond said:

I think heroin, smoking and drinking were his biggest loves

 

Don't foreget the guitar, his ultimate lifelong mistress

* Axl's ultimate mistress is audience, no woman can give him what a crowd can. 

1 minute ago, albowhead said:

These are acrylic actually haha I'm too shy with oils too 

You make them look soft like oils

12 hours ago, albowhead said:

Some paintings I did of muse Axl.

 

Oil! I never had courage to start them! I still have a package I got for my 15th birthday somewhere. The face of lower one reminds me renaissance motives, even with baroque drama, because shading is rather archaic style. Picturing Axl is a thing I love to do because he's so emotional and expressive I'm not getting tired of that anytime soon. 

Axl's autibiography.

Probably in Elton John's style from what did I read. It was a good read and I liked the way the story, confession, was build up.

A nice little peek on how Axl's mind works, can be a string of essays or short stories, if some flowing story and details is not the way. I am curious on how did he make it because many of his breed couldn't make it and had gone too soon... and I love stories and storytellers who paint big pictures with words. 

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Was the pics from these?

He must have been high as a kite there...

On 10/9/2020 at 2:43 PM, MurielWeathers said:

My daughter wants to be Circus Baby from Five Nights At Freddys. I find it hilarious that she's eleven and I had to get her an adult Medium costume since she's almost 5'4". They may do something at school, but she isn't trick or treating. My husband broke his leg in January, then again in May. They had to replace the femur and knee with titanium so he isnt able to give out candy and scare everyone this years. The first year he made a teenage girl cry and run away. I'm glad to be taking a break from it all. My doctor put me in a heavy dose of Doxepin and it acts as a sedative to slow your mind down so you can sleep. So I've pretty much been drugged up. I'm going to my general practitioner on the 23rd to get this fixed. I need nerve pain medication that isn't going to make me a zombie.

*Try to get to actual pain medicine specialist. They use different (known as multinodal) approach to treat different kinds of pain, so it requires lower doses and they combine drugs with low to no sedative effect. They can, as a side effect, stabilize also higher nerve functions, which you perceive as calmer mind. Get well soon.

1 minute ago, AbleSable said:

I've been pretty quiet lately...mind you, this whole thread is pretty quiet. I've been trawling through PART ONE of the women's discussion and...what can I say? Ladies and selected gentleman (I'm looking at you @Frey), you have my deepest admiration. I can honestly say I have taken the deepest ever dive into any subject that I can recall! 

 

I consider myself a semi expert now in all matters relating to GNR gossip, intra band relationships, Instagram image analysis, Axl related fashion discussion, obscure 80s interviews, the disturbing TB and most importantly - all matters Slaxl. 

You've given me a new appreciation of Duff, even Steven. I've fallen in and out and in again of love with Axl. Still adore Slash and still undecided over Izzy. 

 

Thank you all you crazy amazing people!

Welcome,

recently something threw me back to WT1, it had been really amazing place to discuss. I love all the hints and minor information which create and colorize the whole picture - and ventually brings understanding even to topics outside the band and fandom. 

I hope things like armchair psychology without definitive answers and all the fun without people getting instantly offended can make a comeback. It's a pity some people, who were great sources of obscure information (like Lumikki) don't appear anymore, and with this band it's difficult to get any crumble of new material... on the other side, fans are admirable, there's still something dug out and other content created, which is amazing, after all. 

On 25. 8. 2020 at 3:20 AM, Amaya said:

The book seems like a nice, little family thing for the Lebis grandchildren by their parents.

I think the thing that got people here is this is under GnR. Sold by GnR. Marketed by GnR on their site.

If this was fir the Lebis kids by their parents but sold separately on their site, Amazon, etc, that is different.

 

What Paul Mc did is different because he is his own band.

When he wanted Linda on all albums, recordings whether she could really carry a note or play ir note, well, it was ok by the boss put her there.

If they are allowed to promote and sell it under GNR trademark, they would be stupid, if not.  Difference in sells are probably bigger than few upset hardcore fans...

7 hours ago, Padme said:

Well, Slash doesn't have to be in studio with them. You know how it is today. They send a file to producers. Remember Slash himself made a solo album featuring many guests

Separate recording works, it worked long, long time ago, basically since people were able to send tapes... The thing is it's different when all the band is present and the magic happens. Of course there is possibility to remake/add layers/do any kind of post-production then, but the best music usually comes from all the band in the studio simultaneously. Not just in case of GNR. 

21 hours ago, Padme said:

Sure but those guys have made plenty of albums. As I said before, all we have is the Greatest Hits vinyl. Oh! and the word "fam" and Axl talking politics. Also making his name a trade mark

There are all that properly working, interviews giving, album releasing, whole tour rescheduling bands to love... and my no.1 band is Guns n' Roses. I am not even properly adulting, that's it...

2 hours ago, AbleSable said:

Lol that reminds me of the time when Prince Charles of all people wrote a children's book. He even read it out IIRC on a TV show. It was so cringeworthy but I think it was for charity so in the end I guess it was all good. Maybe this book is for charity too?? 

I hope they at least cooperated with someone experienced in quality children's books.... as I said, it's way harder than it may seem. 

13 minutes ago, AbleSable said:

That is hilarious! Now that's more like it. 

For what was the "most dangerous band in the world" to release a children's book... I feel embarrassed for then 

Keith Richards had written children's book, and it's nice (a story about how his grandfather introduced him to music), so had Paul McCarthey (from who I know)... so... why not. Buy it or let be. It seems easy to make children's book, but it's not, we'll see.