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Ruining his reputation? You mean from talking about the autobiography he wrote that people bought from Amazon before it was yanked? 

Ok, I believed the guys in Leaving Neverland but everyone is entitled to their opinion. A few things are possible:

1. Someone may not have the best timeline of events on things that happened as children.

2. Someone may lie under oath and it doesn’t mean they’re lying later.

3. Someone may be trying to get money out of a situation and they were abused. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

Did no one watch Leaving Neverland?

48 minutes ago, History2010 said:

And let me just say for the sake of the discussion, I think that MJ having these sleepovers with children was very inappropriate and wrong for a grown man. But it does not make him a pedophile. He never hung around children again after the trial which is inconsistent behavior with that of a pedophile. Not to mention him being acquitted and cleared by the FBI on top of all else 

You mean the trial in 2005? The one AFTER the 93 allegations where he was strip searched by police and his reputation was basically ruined? Then he kept hanging out with children until he was accused again? Are you referring to the 4 years between 2005 and 2009 until he was killed with drugs because he literally couldn’t sleep at night?

4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I don't know about the court document - to me proper research on a case like this would mean reading all the documents from an official source (supposing they're available, which I don't know) and then everything else that was said and written, which I have neither the time nor the interest to do, so I avoid commenting on the MJ case itself.

As far as the timeline goes, I provided an explanation - I'm not saying this is what happened, only that it's plausible.

Yes, Slash played on MJ’s History album which came out in 1995, several years after the first official allegations. He had also played on the 91 Dangerous album. So what’s plausible is that Axl had issues with Slash continuing to work with MJ. 

20 minutes ago, History2010 said:

This might be the first time I've seen someone argue that a trial and the evidence presented during a trial shouldn't matter at all because everyone already "knows" that the person is guilty. Very frightening mindset. I hope you never go through any false allegation in your life, because by your logic you will be guilty regardless of the outcome of a trial.

I don’t have sleepovers with children so I’m guessing I’ll be fine.

Ok, you guys are right. OJ was innocent too.

No. Michael Jackson molested loads of kids and he was a fucking nutjob to boot.

35 minutes ago, adamsapple said:

Axl's position on Slash working with MJ back then could have had to do with Axl trying to protect the GNR name at a time when it was still kind of uncertain if Michael Jackson was guilty or not as during the first accusations Jackson tried to solve the issue and protect his brand without the legal system that left somewhat of a bitter taste.

Next time Jackson was accused he went all the way through the legal system. I remember the news reporting about it on a daily basis just waiting to slaughter him alive - but eventually he walked out a free man, declared innocent on all charges. Maybe that's when Axl might have somewhat changed his opinion, if it ever even was about Michael Jackson and not about Slash devalutating the exclusivity of the GNR brand by playing with everyone and his dog, even though Jackson was the biggest star on the planet back then and certainly one of the greatest musicians ever. I wonder Axl ever met him in person? Sure would have made for one hell of a vocal duet.

Michael Jackson molested multiple children. We don’t need the court cases to turn out any way to know that.

16 hours ago, El Guapo said:

Fernando is a top notch manager! 

This. In the end, Team Brazil talked more sense into Axl than any other manager.

2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

The thing is that Goldstein hasn't been consistent in what he has said about this issue either. As far as I can remember, he didn't firmly confirm in that interview (I think it was the one with Mitch Lafon in 2015) that it happened in Barcelona. He just defended himself saying that it may have happened like Duff said, but in any case he wasn't there (he was in Hawaii because his son was born or something) and if it happened it was probably John Reese or one of the lawyers who did it.

On the one hand, I find it unbelievable that Doug doesn’t remember exactly where/when this happened. On the other, Axl may have been firing off more bullshit demands and contracts at this point that no one could keep up with.

Doug Goldstein talked about Slash and Duff signing over the name in an interview from a few years back. He confirmed that this went down in Barcelona 1993 when he was back in the states for some family obligation.

2 hours ago, WillBailey said:

These people need help. I mean he has issues. Telling the 7 y-o story now as an adult when you can clearly understand the poor girl had deep issues is just f**cked up. And the way he writes that is just like he would tell us he ate pizza last night. The writing is awful. Even a teenager with English as a third language would write better stories.

Have you ever read The Dirt? That book was shocking because they would tell these insane stories in a nonchalant way like it was a typical Tuesday. I feel like all these rock and roll books have copied that writing pattern since. Some of that doesn’t hold up as well in 2020 though.

Just now, The Holographic Universe said:

It leaked somehow. 

Amazon had it on sale for Kindle for about a day on original release date in April. Then it got pulled for reasons unknown

I’m wondering if the book will eventually come out heavily rewritten. The early reviews on these forums haven’t been glowing. Not great press when people say “ this book made me dislike this person” about an autobiography.

18 minutes ago, Axl's beard said:

Is his book available on any kind of amazon?

No, book release has been pulled altogether. People on the forum have read leaks from where Amazon mistakenly had it on sale for about a day on the original release date.

I just thought that Matt let his feelings about the NITL tour color the way he talked about Slash and Duff throughout the book and that is shortsighted. A comprehensive autobiography should reflect more about your feelings at the time of these events. Matt owes a lot of his career from 1990 onwards to those guys and their songs.

18 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said:

Oh fair! Thanks for sharing, had never heard that one before! Matt is still fuming about the ‘additional musician’ credit now, so I can only imagine how raw it was back then!

I got the impression from the book that there was some money issue surrounding the Live Era credit and not just the way it was listed on liner notes. Matt worded it as “being screwed out of his royalty” on the album. At that point, he was still paying back the monthly advance he’d gotten from 94-97 and that was being credited against UYI royalties. 

7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I'm surprised that Matt doesn't mention anything in the book about Slash's visit to Axl's house in 2005. I would be curious to read his take on that.

 

I’d be interested to read that too. Slash denied the whole story at first but backtracked eventually. Scott and Matt bashed Axl in the press while sticking up for Slash. I would think they eventually realized the story was probably true. Maybe Matt didn’t want to highlight that Slash “hates” him.

I forgot about his take on Coma and Locomotive. This should give people some idea of how this book goes. He’s disparaging songs other people wrote on the only real successful record (UIY) that he played on.

Duff has stated in past interviews prior to NITL that the band had run out of juice creatively by about 94. Axl tried to reignite that with different members to mixed results. People still continue to have high expectations though.

I’m a big Pearl Jam fan too and the fan message boards complain about their albums being subpar to previous work for years now. Pick your poison I guess....

4 hours ago, Top-Hatted One said:

^true #3 Slash screwing Jim out of royalty credit is straight from his book

It wasn’t so much that Slash “screwed” him out of the writing credit. Matt was supposed to get a certain percentage point on the publishing. It was agreed to and Axl was on board. Slash came in the studio one day and casually told Matt it would be half of what was previously agreed to. It was implied that Slash had called foul on the deal. In the book, Matt says something like “that’s when I realized it wasn’t necessarily Axl I had to look out for when it came to business.”

I’m assuming you meant Matt unless Jim is some other story I missed

9 minutes ago, adamwolff11 said:

Yeah, I agree with you guys. It's almost like, if you had a beautiful, incredibly superficial Instagram model that was interested in you. You'd be down. And if she rejected you, you'd call it out for what it is. 

I would still expect someone to at least recognize their own hypocrisy there. Matt doesn’t do that in his opinions on this subject.

4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/mechanical-royalties-2460503

That all gets complicated. No wonder musicians get screwed over so much as it gets so difficult to understand.

Matt also mentions in the book that his royalty on UYI got cut at the last minute and makes a big deal about how Slash was the snake there.

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, tbh I don't quite understand this part either. It seems that he didn't have publishing royalties from the Illusions but there was an arrangement to give him a percentage off the sales (it's not clear from the quote if that arrangement was originally only for the "next record" or for the Illusions, too). Maybe he means he didn't get that percentage off Live Era.

So there are publishing royalties which means you have a songwriting credit. Then there are mechanical royalties which means you played on the actual recording. I assume he meant he got screwed out of the mechanical since he was listed as “Additional Musician.”