Propaganda

Nobody will erase anything! One in a Million will still play in my car and be in my IPhone's list!

What's the point of having a listening party for 10 or 12 people ?!?

Was this a Nightrain Exclusive or whatever they call their Official Fanclub these days?

Definitely new vocals and guitar parts re-done.

The approach was that they didn't wanna go away from the Original track, but they wanted to give it a little push on the quality of the recording. My Opinion.

It definitely spiced it up!

15 hours ago, donny said:

2 cd deluxe edition. a remastered AFD plus a second 18 track disc for £15. thats what i call cheap. deffo having one. i will wait until the tracks i have missing from the other discs are on youtube(probably day after release) and just download the ones i like, for free  

i'm tempted to buy the 1K box to. no intention in keeping it but i can see a 2-3K value in that broken down and sold in parts. alot of money to be made  

You Ebayer motherfucker.... 

I loved this new redemption of "Shadow of Your Love". I've always loved the lyrics, it's macho, simple and badass stuff! Never understood why it wasn't released on Lies.

I wish they would re-record Nice Boys and Reckless Life!

Super Deluxe since I've been listening to Shadow for your Love nonstop!

1 minute ago, Spirit said:

Alan Niven didn't write any of the songs? He doesn't collect royalties.

I thought they had to pay him something because he released Live Like a Suicide on his own label.

I'm guessing they have probably re-recorded the demos so they don't have to pay royalties to Alan Niven, or Am I wrong?

Doug seems pretty accurate to me. He wouldn't have a reason not to be. 

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Doug changed his version again about the contract signing off the name to Axl. In Mick Wall's book he said he was there, in Barcelona 1993, saving it from being "under duress". Now he's back at what he had been saying before: he wasn't there because his son was born and doesn't know anything about the circumstances. So did Mick Wall misquote him? Does Doug claim he did? Because he only said that Mick Wall's book made him look bad and Alan Niven a hero.

He says he didn't approve of Yoda and made a couple of attempts to talk Axl out of that thing, but it was "Axl's time and money". Then he says that Yoda told him to sell his managing company to Merck but not tell Axl, because she would tell him herself; but she didn't and Axl was mad at Doug, which resulted to him being fired. So Doug made a business decision and didn't tell Axl just because Yoda told him to, although he wasn't a "believer"? (!) He doesn't seem to be so naive. Something doesn't add up here. And that makes me think: maybe it was Doug who was using Yoda trying to manipulate Axl, and not the other way around?

Doug takes credit, among other things, for predicting SCOM would be a hit and wanting it to be the first single (he says Tom Zutaut said no), for the idea of making GnR Lies, for renegotiating the contract with Geffen to the benefit of the band (he says Niven helped but not as much as he claims) and... for Eminem getting signed (!)

I don't know if it's true that all the UYI shows were sold out; mine wasn't. Unless he was referring only to the US shows. But still I don't think they were all sold out.

The saddest thing that came out of this interview, which we already knew, is the lack of communication in the band. They communicated through Doug and everything said was filtered by him. Doug is not solely to be blamed for that, of course. But he is full of himself for being in that position and seems to have enjoyed having such power. He says he did a big service to the band by not letting Axl know how the other band members felt about him; in Mick Wall's book he said he regretted doing that (again: was he misquoted?). Of course he didn't forget to mention over and over again how much he loved Axl and everyone else.

TB may not be qualified managers and they are probably incompetent for the job, but I hope Doug Goldstein never goes near the band again.

Anyway, the interview was worth watching for a few anecdotes, many of which can be true, like:

- When Doug first met the band in 1987 he got along well with everyone except Izzy, who thought Doug was an undercover cop

- The conversation between Axl and David Lee Roth after Donington '88. David Lee Roth comes across as a big asshole.

- Axl's stepfather being an asshole.

- Dave Mustaine banging on Doug's door in RIR shouting he wanted to talk to Axl.

- Duff being scared in Bogota.

- Axl's reaction on Kurt Cobain and Shannon Hoon's deaths.

- Axl not liking Maynard from Tool for some weird Yoda related reason.

- Doug getting a phone call after an interview (the one with Mitch Lafon in 2015, I guess) by one of Axl's lawyers telling him to stop talking on behalf of Axl. Doug says he told him to fuck off, then Axl called and asked him not to do interviews because he was trying to repair a past relationship (meaning Slash). Doug says he respected Axl's wish and didn't do any more interviews; he talked to Mick Wall though, unless that was before Mitch Lafon. But now he says he sees no reason not to talk. I guess he wouldn't have imagined that Axl and Slash would work things out and he would be left out.

I was surprised there was no mention of Axl/DC during the interview, for example if Doug expected Axl to do something like that.

But Doug just shitted on Mick Wall a couple of times on the podcast, which means Mick Wall is not quite the good source to compare to.

18 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Maybe.  But they are also getting way too much hate. In all likelyhood (we don't really know what their deal is) they are nothing more than gloryfied assistants, who do exactly what Axl wants them to do/ do what they think Axl wants them to do (and that also includes turning away people they think will upset him). Axl had real managers for 20 years and after '93 things went the way they went. So really, to blame TB for the lack of album releases is ridiculous, when the real reason for that is Axl. Things didn't get worse when they did take over either. It has always being chaotic with Axl sabotaging everything feeling management was working against him and for their own agendas which weren't his.  The bottom line is, that he feels comfortable with TB. There is no telling how things would be if he had real managers again. A manager has to work with the artist and if they are not on the same page it's a disaster either way.

You just answered your own question and agreed with my post. They're glorified assistants - they're given way too much credit! And they do what Axl wants them to do, which means that they don't establish deadlines for Axl to work under, they don't put any kind of pressure on him and they are unable to classify properly any music that Axl does.

TB are given way too much credit. Professionally they added nothing to GNR. They got Axl to release an album in what 15 years ?!? They've been unable to get Axl to release more albums, they've been unable to negotiate it with the label and get the right deal for Axl to feel motivated to release a cd. The reunion was a miracle and the best thing that could happen to any of them right now. Even though we knew that Slash and Duff we're always very keen to return, even when they were in Velvet Revolver.

Bottom line is Fernando has never worked in the music business before GNR. He doesn't have the experience or the knowledge. Neither does Beta. Both of them were just people who ran some errands in the past.

On the other hand I think that's Axl's way of saying thank you to them, for all the years they have been Family to him. He let's them get involved and learn the music business and actually have a life in it.

TB owes their life to Axl as much as Axl probably owes a big chunk of his life to them because they helped him out emotionally, but as far as getting things done, and getting Axl on the right terms to work on things and release records and having a music relationship, they're very far away of where they need to be.

Don't wan to offend anyone but that is my opinion.

Such a great interview. I had a very bad impression of Doug, but after seeing this interview, it completely changed my mind about him. Really insightful!

He's spot on on Team Brazil too...

Because after GNR there weren't really great bands coming out, that you could compare to GNR. GNR got immortalized as being the last great Rock N'Roll band, and Axl the last great frontman.

If this were the 80's, and they were this unproductive, they would have never pulled it off, they would have been eaten alive! They would have been another Skid Row or Ugly Kid Joe and would have been forgotten or be known as a one hit wonder (AFD).

"Not in This Lifetiiiiiiiiiime!"

10 hours ago, RussTCB said:

 

I think you misread the question. Led Zeppelin isn't "out now" is they don't exist currently. While I personally loved A Different Kind of Truth, there's no real demand for new Van Halen music. There is, however, a big demand for new Guns N' Roses music.

You need to check Van Halen's facebook page and forums. There's a HUGE demand for a new album! As a matter of fact there's huge rumors of rehearsals for it at the moment.

As for Led Zeppelin, yes they're not active, but there's a huge request for a reunion tour and eventually an album. Robert Plant is the only one who's not interested and he's holding up the whole thing.

I don't see where there is a big demand for GNR music, other than people lurking at the forums that have been here forever.

24 minutes ago, Order of Nine said:

Name a mainstream rock band out now with more of a demand then Guns? And there is a huge demand for something new.

Van Halen! Led Zeppelin!

And no there's no demand... there's the demand for a tour. There's no demand for albums other than the 10% die hard fans that are still lurking in the forums.

Honestly, I doubt Axl will ever release more music! 

After more than 60% of his audience shit on Chinese Democracy he probably scrapped the rest of those sessions/songs and they're gonna be shelved/scrapped/thrown away forever. Of course there's always the producers and people that work with the band, and the trusted beggars and hangers who will have access to those songs and will be taunting the rest of the fans with it for the rest of their lives, or selling/trading those demo songs.

It's understandable that die hard fans would eat anything with Axl's voice, even a My World kind of track for some, but Honestly I think the rest of the cd sessions won't see the light of the day, and I don't even think that Axl himself feels secure enough to actually release those tracks, because they're probably not good enough and not much different from Chinese Democracy. Not only that but also the legal stuff that that would start...Having to pay royalties to Bumblefoot, Buckethead, Robin, Brain, Freese, etc... and having the Classic guys Duff and Slash having to share royalty checks with them... I don't think so! I don't think Slash or Duff would accept to contribute in songs that were already finished by other artists, or having artists taking a share of their talent and hype.

At this point I think it's more viable and possible that Axl, Slash and Duff will do a completely new album from scratch, but that idea is quite a big stretch as well! If they didn't agree with a direction back in the 90's when they were at their prime, they're probably not gonna agree now, and Axl seems to be waiting for an impossible kind of deal, it's like he's trying to make people thirsty for his music on purpose so he can get a bigger deal with more money, but after Chinese Democracy, I doubt anyone will fall for that.

Even a greatest hits cd with 1 or 2 new songs seems like a stretch at this point.

The best thing people have on their future for Guns N'Roses is another World Tour, after that they will probably retire. My opinion.

On 12/03/2018 at 6:46 AM, RONIN said:

During their acceptance speeches, Sorum recounts how he was hired by the band. He says he took a call from Slash who said they needed a new drummer because they had to kick out their old drummer for taking too many drugs. He then says something like, "How can you get kicked out for doing too many drugs in Guns n' Roses"? It was a cringeworthy moment but Steven was a good sport about it. 

It was an odd induction ceremony starting with Green Day who gave a pretty underwhelming intro for the band. During the speech, Slash and Duff look really pissed like they don't want to be there. Axl gets loudly booed by the audience and Green Day's frontman takes a playful shot at the redhead. He also defends him when the booing gets louder than expected. The most awkard (and hilarious) part of the ceremony happens when the band is coming to the stage and Slash attempts to shake hands with Billie Joe unsuccessfully - finally he just gives up. 

 

Just noticed one thing That I hadn't notice before.

At 5.26 minutes, the guy from Green Day is just saying things about Axl... Look at Duff and Slash! Duff looks like he's ready to jump on stage onto the guy, he has his coat on coming out and all, and Slash looks like he's shocked and revolted. Take a look and tell me what you see, maybe I'm just seeing things...

On 10/11/2017 at 6:43 PM, Sosso said:

I think that he should rejoin the band. I really like his groove on the AfD songs and the way he played the CD material. He is basically the perfect drummer for GN'R

 

 

 

And people actually complain about Matt Sorum's solos ?? What a disgrace this was.

27 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

The orchestral arrangement is one of the things I love most about TWAT, especially the horns and all the extra flourishes throughout.  Obviously, it's all subjective, but CD demos do absolutely nothing for me.  They always sound really clunky and hollow and lacking in depth, or any kind of sonic texture - probably because they are demos. lol  The only CD demo that is good to my ears is Riad.  Funky/disco guitar is much louder in the demo version of that one.

For me I prefer Chinese Democracy, Better (antiquiet) and that version of There Was a Time that was posted were the best versions of those 3 songs, and so is the RTB Madagascar.

2 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said:

Totally agree. The echoey drums make it so much more epic sounding.

And the guitars actually have a melody flowing on it. Those guitar sounds are totally buried on the album version.

2 hours ago, gnfnr2k said:

 

You are not familiar with this one?  The intro is just missing the orchastration they added,

 

 

That is the version I like the most of them all. Way better than the CD version.

The Drums are awesome on this version, especially on that moment right after the solo... those 3 or 4 straight hard hits are awesome! The song itself sounds more contemporary, less thick in terms of the mix and flows way more naturally than the album version.

The solos sound more messy but yet it gives the song an original tone. I like this version way better than the album version. Also the finish and start of the song are way more cool too without the orchestra part.

I really hope we get to hear the finished version of Oh My God! I wouldn't sleep that night!  

Thanks to the guy who made it possible, whoever he is.

On 08/11/2017 at 4:15 PM, Pedrolg said:

Axl finally went for the high note in TWAT in Chicago. The voice wasn't there. The voice he uses here is the voice he used for AC/DC Brian songs. Unless it comes back with some rest, Axl/DC is done without it.

 

That is a disgrace. It's even worse than 2001 or 2002. He's starting to sound like Vince Neil sounded on the last Motley Crue Tour. I think he should retire after this leg of shows.

You got nothing left to prove Axl, you had a career full of success. You had 5 great albums (I'm including Spaghetti) and 1 so so album which still sold 4-5 million for what it's worth, and you made millions of dollars out of your career. You have reunited with your old mates and gave us a hell of 2 years of shows all over the World. You have already done the Vegas Residency gigs several times, so the Nostalgia act thing is done and Scrapped. You have a beautiful Mansion in Malibu with the greatest view of all time and you drive a Ferrari or some car of that kind, if it's not the ferrari anymore. 

You've got your happy ending! It's time to hang the cowboy hat. If you can't hang with the cardio anymore, or if you don't have more patience in you to have singing classes or training, then...

I think Axl should concentrate on his book and do like a soundtrack to his book or release a solo album.

Hey, my opinion. Axl does what he wants when he wants. It's only my 2 cents. I think his voice is shot.