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Gilby's band Thrills for Kills, pre GN'R, 1990. -
4 hours ago, RussTCB said:
Yeah, I knew Dave & Duff had some history. Just seemed odd to not go with Gilby anyway.
IMO Gilby would've been a better pick. Of all the post Izzy rhythm guitarists Slash has worked with, both in n' out of GN'R, Gilby is the one IMO Slash sounds best with.Is it possible Gilby wasn't considered for VR because the wounds of him suing GN'R in 1996 were still too fresh for Slash & Duff?
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Speaking of covers, this is a really cool cover of You Ain't the First, done in the style of the 93 live version. -
Just now, Duwz said:
Immigrant Song, gosh, Axl would slay those aaaAAAaaaaaaAAAA at the beggining and middle of the song
GN'R have their own Immigrant Song, it's called Riad
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What are songs you'd have liked to have seen GN'R cover?
Old (80s/90s) band:
Rebel Yell (imagine that song with Axl's circa 1989-1992 rasp?!)
Shoot to Thrill
Communication Breakdown
When the Levee Breaks
Miss Misery
Happy (Stones - with Izzy and Axl singing)
Current Band:
Moonage Daydream
That's Why They Call It The Blues
Fool to Cry
Memory Motel
Borrowed Time (John Lennon)
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I so wish the 99 band (Axl, Robin, Billy Howerdel, Paul, Tommy, Josh Freese, Dizzy, Pitman) had put out just one record.
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Are there any CD demos that have Josh Freese on drums?
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Rose: "For me, when I hear certain things on the "Use Your Illusion"....on that record, it's... since I'm in it, I can hear a band dying. I can hear when Izzy was unconsciously over it. I can hear where the band was leaning away from what Guns N' Roses [had] originally been about.
People may have their favorite songs, and it may be on "Use Your Illusion," but most people do tend to lean towards "Appetite" as being the defining Guns N' Roses record, and I can hear how, in the sound, it was moving away from that there. There's just so much I was able to do in keeping that aspect together."
"With 'Illusions' several years ago, something came on the radio and I realized how the energy in the drums, though solid and consistent, brought me down in a way I feel damaged the material in the long run, if not from the get-go. Maybe it's there with some, most or all of us in ways, but I specifically notice it more with the drums. And when listening in that sense of analyzing how something feels to me in regards to its involvement or inclusion in the song, whether anyone disagrees I'm somewhat capable of removing myself and events from the picture."
Every time Axl has spoken about the UYI albums publicly since the early 90s it has been with bad memories of either how the band was falling apart during the sessions, or how he didn't like the way the mixes turned out, or being forced to tour (according to him), or having the albums pushed out too early. He doesn't have fond memories of those records, and probably doesn't like most of the material. -
According to Ezrin, Axl was ready to go into the mixing stage and Ezrin basically told Axl it wasn't good enough to do that. Which had to be a blow to Axl's confidence. That, combined with Roy Thomas Baker having them re-record the entire album I'm sure didn't help.
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I don't think NuGNR was doomed to fail. I think Bob Ezrin did more damage than anyone else. We would've probably had an album in 2001 or 2002 at the latest if not for that guy.
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I actually wish we had gotten an aggressive, fully industrial metal album. Just a whole album full of songs like Chinese D, Riad, OMG, and Shacklers. Catchy crunchy riffs, Axl screams, aggressive lyrics.
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people seem to think that the 1998-2000 (Sean Beavan) version of CD was much more industrial and much more electronica sounding...Where do we have evidence of this? in Axl's interview with RS in 2000 they mention TWAT, The Blues, Chinese D, and Catcher in the Rye and none of those are really industrial or electronica...
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On 11/12/2017 at 2:38 PM, ZoSoRose said:
I thought the raspy vocals were post-2006?
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I think Axl is playing the guitars on this version, if its real.
On 11/24/2017 at 8:12 AM, AlexC said:Difficult to tell with studio performances. He could probably sound like any era in a controlled recording session.
The raspy vocals were on the 2002 commercial which featured a few seconds of the studio cut.
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5 hours ago, SlashisGOD said:
You know, I'd really like to hear the album as it was originally envisioned back in the mid-late 90s. I'm not a huge fan of Industrial (I really only like NIN and Marilyn Manson) but a Guns album in this style would have been different, that's for sure. Too bad we'll probably never hear it.
Oh My God, 1999 versions of TWAT and IRS along with Madagascar (which was the first song written for CD) and Silkworms are basically what the album sounded like in the late 90s...Not much different from what we got. Catcher in the Rye, Riad N' The Bedouins, Chinese Democracy, Prostitute, and SOD were all done by January 2000. I don't believe there was some industrial version of CD with different songs. The only stuff added later seems to have been Better, Sorry, and Shacklers, and Shackler's is Industrial Metal...Not far from stuff like Rob Zombie. -
Does anyone have any German magazine issues which mention Axl in 1993-1994? I really want to find the magazine with the photos from the SIDHY photoshoot...
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9 hours ago, action said:
must have been said in jest, but it's not true of course. Queen, aerosmith, guns n roses, led zeppelin, the beatles have written masterpieces that certainly are better than the following (of the top of my head):
continental drift
she saw me coming
anybody seen my baby
fool to cry
You see, the rolling stones are one of those bands, that could benefit from a bit of editing. A song like "slave" is far too long and could easily do with 2 minutes less. "Can you hear me knocking" gets boring by the time the middle improvisation section kicks in. I skip the song by that time. I have to cut out the bagage of that song sometime, with one of those free music editing software programs. There is also that song on aftermath that is ridiculously long and i just deleted it from the tracklist altogether.
It's minor nitpicks for an otherwise brilliant back catalogue, bursting with quality. But yeah, some of those songs, get a little fucking boring after a while.
The Stones beat out every band you mention except for Queen and Led Zeppelin, and both of those benefit from having far shorter discographies and thus less chances to screw up. The Stones never put out an album as bad as In Through the Out Door. Aerosmith is basically poor man's Stones without any of the musical depth or ability to tackle other genres with ease. -
2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:
It is weird the way Rose has rather avoided Illusion since 2001, instead concentrating on Appetite for his setlists. By all accounts he wouldn't have reintroduced 'Estranged' if not for Bumblefoot ditto 'Coma' and Slash. It is the Illusions and not Appetite that contain all of the 'Axley' numbers, your Estrangeds, Breakdowns etc. He was even writing rockers then, decent ones like 'Dead Horse'.
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2 hours ago, Carne_asaDA said:
Was this ever noted publicly by an interview or video footage? I know there was SOME footage of Axl striking some simple notes at the Patience video shoot during a jam. But that is it.
Speaking of versatility, you're known primarily as a singer, but you've been playing piano quite a bit lately.
I've played piano my whole life. I took lessons, but I only really played my lesson on the day of the lesson. All week long, I'd sit down at the piano and just make up stuff. To this day, I still can't really play other people's songs, only my own. I haven't had a piano for years. I couldn't afford one. I couldn't figure out where I was sleeping at night, let alone try to have a place for a piano. So I had to put it aside and have the dream that I'd get to it. Now I really want to bring the piano out.
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1 hour ago, Carne_asaDA said:
Was this ever noted publicly by an interview or video footage? I know there was SOME footage of Axl striking some simple notes at the Patience video shoot during a jam. But that is it.
He mentions writing songs on piano in the August 1989 RS interview I believe. Not sure of any examples of him playin piano live prior to 1991 though. -
2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:
That's a REALLY good question actually and I'm kind of struggling to come up with a good answer off the top of my head.
With absolutely no disrespect to Bucket, I have to say that I think it's clear that I'm a much bigger fan of Robin than him. Having said that, I think Bucket's work on Chinese is excellent. I know this is just scratching the surface, but the classical guitar solo in ITW? The second solo in TWaT? Come on now, that's genius shit.
I like Robin more overall though and if I had my choice of one over the other, I'd take Robin all day every day and twice on Sunday. At the end of the day, I think it all comes down to egos and styles. There's just no way to get egos to work together in the end, so I guess my main answer is: nothing should have / could have been done about that :/
I think a way of working around it could've been, at least live, having Robin and Bucket be the only guitarists, sort of like Izzy and Slash were in the early days where they traded parts. I personally never liked the three guitarist arrangement in GN'R...It's nothing against Paul or Richard but I feel like they should've been studio/songwriting guys the way say West Arkeen was. Not official members on stage. Having Robin and Bucket presented as the two guys, and trading leads and such...Maybe that would've worked better. Also their "weird" image would've come across better with them being the only guitarists...Having a third regular rock guy on guy makes it confusing from an imagery perspective. But Robin and Bucket together create an avant-garde look. -
It would've been cool to see Slash and Robin in the same band, Slash on lead and Robin on rhythm.
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2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:
Yes, because NuGnR was his band, he was the sole owner of it. In his mind, however, solo means that someone does it all, otherwise it's a band.
Yup. Another problem was that he never really let any of the members shine. He never took a single band photo with the 2002 lineup. He never gave a single band interview with any lineup (Yes, he had a joint interview with DJ but that's it). He never gave the public the opportunity to see NuGNR as more than "Axl and some random guys". I mean, even on the record, I doubt any casual listener could identify who is playing what on CD. We're hardcore fans so, we'll know "Oh, that solo is by Bumblefoot/Bucket" etc, but a regular person would have no clue. You can't have five guitarists all playing on the same track and expect the public to get it or recognize who is playing what.
Another issue was band identity. All Classic GN'R lineups had pretty much the same sort of image and thus brand identity. Izzy and Gilby had the same playing style and pretty similar image. Steven and Matt were both blonde drummers with permed hair. It's hard to build a band identity when one guy is wearing Jerseys and Cornrows, the other guy looks like a Goth, the other looks like a Punk, and so on
It's a shame because Axl had a lot of talent on his hands with every lineup. Even the Ashba lineup could've done cool stuff I think.3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:
I have a question for you as a big Robin fan:
The whole Robin/Bucket dynamic...I have read they didn't get along as both felt each was in the other's territory, sharing lead guitar duties....What do you think should've been about that situation? I mean both were massively talented but do you think they should've been presented differently? -
1 hour ago, Blackstar said:
I completely agree with this. Axl didn't want to be a multi-instrumentalist - hell, he's been insecure even about his skills on his main instrument, the piano, and hired someone else to play it. He didn't want to be a sole or multi composer either. He always wanted to have a band, in the way he perceives it (which is his own "strange" way, but it's not a NIN type of band) to be inspired by with himself being the one who has the vision and decides the direction.
It's one of the reasons he didn't go solo or form the "Axl Rose Band". Regardless of how any of us sees it, from Axl's POV GnR has been always a band where everybody contributes and in all his interviews he's struggled to convince people that it is so.
The problem is that at the end of the day, no matter who contributes what, it is ultimately Axl deciding how that part will be played, what will make the final cut, who will feature or not, how and by whom it will be mixed, mastered, produced, etc. You can't call it a band when only one person has the final say over everything.
Nu GnR: Doomed to fail
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Yeah, Billy Howerdel (who was also with GN'R from 97 to 99) and Freese actually made the first APC album while waiting for Axl to finish up.
Also, Finck was pissed because he had given up the Fragile tour and a good gig with Cirque de Soleil to be in GN'R and it seemed like it was going nowhere.
Buckethead and Finck both resented the fact that each was given an equal amount of starpower in the band. Robin is on record calling Bucket a "stunt guitar player." I don't think either liked the other at any point or even gelled musically. This is another case of Axl thinking he could just mix and match guitar players without any regard for their musical inclinations or personality issues (see Slash and Paul Tobias, or Slash and Zakk Wylde).
According to Matt, GN'R actually recorded 7 songs, not just jams, but fully fledged songs. Duff also alluded to a fully fledged song almost going on a Jackie Chan movie soundtrack in 1996. All that they needed were vocals and lyrics. Duff also said they did demos of songs during the Zakk Wylde period. Duff and Izzy also wrote a dozen songs for GN'R in the spring of 1995. There is as Matt said likely hundreds of instrumental songs from not only the post UYI period but probably from every era of the band. Even guys who have no reason to lie said the CD era lineups recorded in the area of 40-60 songs. But what did these songs lack? Vocals and lyrics.
And according to Duff, the reason Matt was ACTUALLY fired was because he dared to criticize Axl's work ethic. Not the dramatic "defense of Slash" scene or the battle with Paul Tobias that's been told over and over.
The one constant sadly since 1988 has been Axl's unwillingness or inability to lay vocals down. This also helped push Izzy out - Izzy said the UYI albums were recorded in like, 2 months, but they had to wait an entire year for the vocals to be laid down. If you believe Izzy, we could've had UYI in late 1989 or 1990 instead of 1991.
Also @RONIN, did you know that the first time NuGNR performed as a full band with Axl was literally only a night before the very first show? The band rehearsed as a group (without Axl) for 2 months before Axl decided to show up the night before. That's a great way to inspire band morale, eh?
"First of all, you need to switch your whole schedule around... Rehearsals started at midnight... We rehearsed the set for a month. He didn't show up. We'd always get that call at 4 in the morning, saying, 'Uh oh. He might come.'" (Brain, I'd Hit That, 02/15)
"It was the day before the gear was supposed to leave... The crew had been there since 8 in the morning, setting up. They have to break it down and the gear has to leave, literally the next morning. ...We rehearsed the set, two and half hours... It's probably 3 in the morning, now. Axl calls from Malibu. He's coming. And he wants to see the whole set again. He wants to watch the show. Everybody's like, OK.
...We're on this big soundstage and [they bring] a little couch next to the soundboard, right in front of the sound guy... Well, an hour goes by. 'Is he REALLY coming?' The road crew, everybody's asleep by now, next to their gear. 'Yeah, he wants to come, but the problem is, he wants to see the WHOLE show, pyro and everything.
So, we're like, 'Wait. I think, each time the pyro guy hits the fuckin' thing, it's like $300,000 for each bomb that's gonna go up. But, we're going to do it on this soundstage, and in order to make that happen, they got to get the fire department down here.' Now the fire department comes down, but I think they're digging it. They're thinking, 'I get to watch Guns N' Roses rehearse, so whatever.' They show up.
Now, it's probably 5AM... We're playing [the set], we've been up since 12 o'clock, the road crew has been up since 8AM, for 24 hours. [Axl's]'s in the chair with his arms crossed, just watching. Bombs, fireworks, everything's fuckin' going off... I'm playing November Rain. They have the curtain of sparks bouncing off my cymbals, burning my face, getting on my shorts and shit like that. The door opens - it's DAYLIGHT! You see people coming to work.
We end with Paradise City, doing the fuckin' shuffle thing [in the last part of the song], they blew the confetti shit... And dude, I'm not joking, it's like 7.30/8 in the morning. It's the most surreal moment. In my mind, I'm just going, 'Who's gotta fuckin' clean the confetti? What are we doing? Some poor guy has to sweep fuckin' six inches of confetti.'
We hit the last note. [Axl] gets up, walks out. Never said a word, didn't see him. We just get up, everybody goes home and the next time we saw him was in Rock in Rio. That's sort of Guns in a nutshell. The chaos and what happens." (Brain, I'd Hit That, 02/15)
"Thursday night [12/28/00] was the first time I sang a set with these guys... The first time I sang a set in about 8 years." (Axl, Las Vegas, 01/01/01)
"Our first show’s Rock in Rio and I thought, ‘Wait, what’s it going to sound like with Axl? Where is Axl? Oh here’s his helicopter coming in.’ The first time I ever played a real show with him was in front of 250,000 people! I was thinking, ‘How’s this song supposed to start again?’ Because some he was supposed to cue but we never had a verbal conversation on whether he would or I!" (Brain, MusicRadar, 10/22/12)