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48 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

Did we ever figure out how many more records they are signed on with Universal? Maybe they’ll just give them the CD leftovers and release their “other” music under their own label

I thought about it when  I heard the first time. I thought that maybe GNR is doin Absurd for Geffen the same way The Rolling Stones did Cocksucker Blues for Decca in the early 70's.

20 minutes ago, Draguns said:

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Even if that's the case, Slash previously had control of the logo. Having control of a logo is HUGE. I'm pretty sure that they worked everything out when they signed the legal document in 2017. In  reality they both had control over different parts of the business aspect regarding GNR. 

The Band logo of course is a huge thing... But in comparision to the name its close to anything... 

There's a lot of bands who updated and/or changed drastically their  logos over the years ...

Axl could easily have chosen a logo closer to the original with NU GUNS, but went to a logo closer to the Chinese concept.

And nobody stopped to buy merch or identify the band because of it.

1 hour ago, Draguns said:

Actually legally speaking it's a partnership. Each individual has say over what gets released. You can easily find the legal document stating that it's a partnership by going to the California business registry. 

It's a partnership on certain degree... Axl still owns the GNR brand/name.

So he can leave the partnership and be Guns N Roses alone like he did in the mid 90's

I think the whole album thing it's a little dated these days.

90% of the people dont care about an album anymore... People stream songs randomly these days, create playlists.

If GNR release a proper album or drops 1 song a month till next sumer would have the same effect to the music industry.

It ain't like the next release of GNR will make people get a physical outlet to listen  the songs .

It really doesn't matter if it will be a single, an EP, an album or a double album. The majority of people will buy their favourite tracks individually

11 minutes ago, circusboy666 said:

 

3-maybe it’s my ears but the first two times I hear the line “screaming ducking banshee” it sounds like it started a quarter of a second early. They need to fix that.

Its hard to think everyonw in the whole chain of recording/mixing/mastering would let this pass... So it must be intentional...

At the same time, Axl sang it on tempo live at Metlife...

So who knows?

But this out of tempo thing makes hard for me to like te song... Because I think instrumentally is a good song...

29 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Interestingly, Matt also said that, although he played on the Snakepit album, he didn't like the final product much. I read that first in his leaked book and thought that it was just sour grapes because of him not being included in the reunion, but he has actually said that before, in 2002:

As the band fragmented, Matt collaborated with Slash's rejected GNR demos which became Slash's Snakepit, but distanced himself from the finished record. "It sounded a bit dated to me”, he says. Matt stepped aside and was replaced by another drummer for the live shows.

https://www.a-4-d.com/t5361-2002-04-dd-rhythm-magazine-raising-hell-matt#21380

Yeah... But I also believe that Matt not liking the final product has to be more with Eric Dover and the way Slash picked Dover without telling him than really with the songs...

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

What's the source for that? There is no confirmation, as far as I know, on any specific songs being rejected by the label. There was Bob Ezrin who had been hired by the label as an advisor and said that Axl had only two good songs, but there's no proof that Axl submitted an album to the label and they sent it back (or that the label did so with any particular songs).

Didn't Axl said something about Jimmy Iovine telling the songs and the album needed more work and that comment jeopardized the confidence he had on the album?

12 hours ago, Dean said:

 

 

Case closed. It's Brain. 

No problem with that... Since some material of CD 2 is pretty much done for 10 + years, there's no reason to rerecord drums that was considered done in the first place with Josh in late 2000. It ain't a shot on Frank. It's just a financial decision to no spend money on renting a studio in a track that was already done for such a long time and it'll probably go nowhere after the initial buzz

11 minutes ago, Dean said:

I do wonder what Axl's thoughts were on the whole Pitman scandal. Pitman was obviously being a dick, then probably upset the camp by attempting to sue Axl, but at the end of the day, he was an integral part in the creation of an album Axl spent a good portion of his life labouring over

I don't think Axl have a lot of problems with Pitman even after the lawsuit... I belive, if I'm not mistaken, the biggest problem with Pitman was with Duff/Slash and the whole nostalgia thing

3 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

You mean Axl would intentionally discredit Frank by putting Brain as the drummer, even though Frank is loyal and has been in the band for 15 years? Doesn't sound realistic to me. My gut tells me they put Brain as drummer on credits because he is the actual drummer.

I believe Frank as Dizzy, Fortus and Melissa are under the Guns N' Roses credit on the song performer

It's a fact Brain is on the track since it's on the credits... I have a doubt if it's only him since it wasn't only him even on Chinese, where he shared parts of songs with Frank. 

Maybe the additional performance on the credits means that...

But I haven't listen closely to the mix to say if there's an edit to the drums or not.

Personally I think the instrumental part is good... It has a groove. I really don't know who wrote the lyrics , if it was Axl, Pittman with Dizzy or the 3 together... But it's a weak melody and with tempo flaws! A begginer mistake. 

Slash inputs are much better in the studio than it has been live . Don't get the british accent on this one. I get it on Down On The Farm, here it doesn't make sense. The bridge is cool because it's a left turn ... 

Sayin that , you can write, rewrite, record, re-record, tweak here and there, produce, over produce... A weak ideia always will be a weak idea, no matter how hard you work on it

2 hours ago, TheGeneral said:

Got downvoted as hell on Reddit for saying the "pussy full of maggots" line is disgusting and ruins the song.

I'm sorry but it is incredibly disgusting and neither edgy nor funny.

I have no problems with the lyrics... my problem is an almost a 60 years old singin' it and thinkin it's funny like a 14 yrs old

If Absurd is an example of how Axl, Slash and Duff can "upgrade" or "tweak" the leftovers of Chinese... Please, bring back Stinson, Tobias and Finck ASAP.

They made it worse somehting thas wasn't good to begin with

9 minutes ago, Rovim said:

but learning how to play the solos so they are closer to the original idea is not necessarily what Slash wants to achieve? there were many shows with Gn'R and The Conspirators that contained what I consider to be brilliant performances but part of the nature of improvisation is that it can't all be brilliant. The whole point of it is to not rely as much on planned note choices.

you gave 1 example where Robin played his own version of a Slash solo (November Rain) but the problem with not being faithful to the original material live is that you'll always get people that won't like it cause they're attached to the studio version or how the other guy played it.

many fans didn't like that NR rendition or all the other Slash solos where Robin chose to do exactly what Slash is doing with the Chinese material now. I remember people gave him a ton of shit for "butchering" the solos. Personally I liked most of it, but it's subjective. It's impressive that Bumble managed to play it so perfectly but for Slash, I'll always prefer to hear what he does with it. He's not that good copying others anyway or at least he's better at playing it his own way imo.

Slash did the same thing in the Van Halen rock hall of fame performance, choosing to not play Eddie's version of the solos.

I agree with you it's subjective.

And Slash take on Van Halen songs as what he did on Crazy Train its lame

1 minute ago, MaskingApathy said:

Yeah that's not true at all.

Or some people cant see the truth because it hurts them

28 minutes ago, Rovim said:

if the goal is to play it 1:1, but it doesn't seem to be for Slash. Some players are not interested in doing that. I think improvisation with some key licks in between is the very thing that led Slash to come up with brilliant performances and it seems to be the way he wants to continue to approach it and also cause he seems to enjoy it.

he is talented enough to go for it which is exactly what he is doing and again, it is someone elses work, I think Slash wants to "Slashified" it rather than giving you an accurate representation of the studio versions. With Twat, he even kept it closer to the original in both solos. I don't see a problem with it, I think it's cool we have live versions of a lot of the Chinese tunes with Slash's spin on them, even if it's hard to top the great shit Bucket and Robin came up with. (and didn't Robin do the same thing with many of Slash's solos?)

The problem is Slash hasnt had a  brilliant performance in a very long time. And thats affect his "takes" on songs he didn't write.

So learnin them in a proper way would helped him a lot.

Slash hasnt been brilliant live at least since VR first tour

And no, Robins never did what Slash has been doin since the reunion

1 minute ago, Gordon Comstock said:

I always laugh when I read shit like "Slash just plays the solos his own way". When Robin and Bucket played the old solos "their way", they got nothing but shit from most fans. But Slash gets away with it because he's Slash.

Exactly.

Robin's solo in November Rain is a good example of learnin' the parts and playin in its own way...

Slash take on Twat is bad and sloppy even in the part he learnt

2 hours ago, Rovim said:

 Why would he do it for Twat if he didn't do it for his own work.

He fucks up his own material is "his right"

Fucking up other people work is at least unprofessional

42 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

 

He said he had played the Sympathy For The Devil solo his own way and got pissed off when Axl asked him to play the note for note to the Keith Richards solo.

Listening to Slash approach on Chinese songs, Axl was 100% right.

5 hours ago, DefinitelyInThisLifetime said:

2006 was the last peak of this band. 

I think 2010 was a good year, even with Ashba

13 hours ago, Euchre said:

 Adler's band at M3 did it infinitely better.

No it did not

10 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

In 2007 Slash said this about Buckethead (that was before CD, of course, so maybe he changed his mind a bit later):

Stern: Do you think Buckethead is a talented individual?

Slash: You know, I’ve never… I don’t really know his work. I really don’t know his work.

Stern: I see. Okay.

Slash: I’ve heard he’s a really accomplished guitar player.

Stern: Okay.

Slash: Very technically, you know, fluent.

Stern: You say that as a put-down in a way, that a guitar player-

Slash: He’s not a rock guy, you know.

Stern: A rock guy has a certain soul to his guitar. Is that what you’re saying?

Slash: Yeah.

Stern: It’s not just all about technique.

Slash: I have heard a couple of pieces of music from Buckethead, and it’s technically proficient but doesn’t have any heart, you know?

Stern: So, in other words, you kind of say, “Hey, there’s two types of musicians.” There’s the guy who can go and read charts and get that all done, and then there’s you. You can walk into a studio and make something magical happen.

Slash: Something like that.

Stern: Okay.

Slash: You know, it’s like, if somebody picks up the guitar, and has the balls to really come from the heart and expose himself emotionally on the instrument, you can tell, you can feel it.

https://www.a-4-d.com/t5620-2007-11-01-the-howard-stern-show-interview-with-slash

Usually Slash changes his "truth" when it doesn't suit him

5 hours ago, GoForJMark said:

This is idiotic. 

No it's not. It's an opinion as valid as yours