Axl S

On 6/19/2022 at 6:45 PM, TheDemocracyRose said:

Last chance will be next week. Otherwise next target will be before the SA tour....

If nothing surfaces by the London shows then yeah it's done. All eyes on Rio at that point.

18 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I don’t believe Slash anymore since he lied, intentional or not, about new music coming out this June. He ranked himself as useful in interviews as Fortus, to my eyes.

I don't think he lied. Think about it for a second. Why would he lie? All those years where Dizzy, Tommy or Richard spoke about stuff that didn't happen. Were they lying? Probably not, what motivation is there to lie in the middle of interviews about side projects? None really. Especially not for Tommy, Dizzy or Richard as they're fixed rate contract guys as far as we know.

I would wager that whenever any of these guys have said these things in the past that they believed what they were saying and the last they heard these were the plans.

If these things don't happen, I'd guess it's above their head at the Axl or TB level. Or maybe even further and involves more never-ending label disputes.

16 hours ago, bucketmaster101 said:

I wonder if we will look back on these times and say the journey was more interesting than the end result. 

I for one would certainly love to hear new (whether simply unheard or new-new) GNR material. But, as was the case with CD, the hype is probably just too big and it would never live up to the standards we expect. 

No. In a lot of ways this wait is a lot worse than the wait for CD.

At least then something had been announced to wait for and the label would occasionally talk about it too. We don't really know if we should be bothering to hope for anything these days.

All of this is just educated guessing but reading through what we know it seems obvious that he considers OMG unfinished and giving it a proper release is something he wants to do.

1) He called it a demo

2) He said they had worked on it

3) It was soundchecked in 2011

4) It was on the alt list in 2018

5) For some reason the lyrics for it are on the screen during YCBM

6) That MSL list of CD2 songs from those hacked emails included "OMG2" as well as Pro2, Chi2, Better2, TIL2, Catcher.

It's not just unreleased songs he still has on his mind.... I'd wager that prior to CD ever releasing the first time he wanted to put out new versions of songs that he already released.

As far as speculating what unreleased stuff has vocals/vocals that can be used

The General (we know it does, we heard the recording from that party)

Soul Monster (Axl talked about it himself)

Atlas

Perhaps

Oklahoma/Berlin (it's been described as basically finished at one point and more than one person has talked about what Axl wrote the song about)

Whatever State of Grace turned into.... maybe? The vocals that we've heard for it aren't usable though, also every chance it got a new title, got chopped up or got completely abandoned.

Quicksong, he already had a vocal melody in 2000. We know he does vocals again at some point in 01/02 and records for songs like Better. And that he did vocals at other points since then. If he ever wrote lyrics for this can't see why they wouldn't be recorded.

Zodiac... who knows. It's labeled as "no vox" on RM2 which sort of implies there may have been a version with vocals at the time.

Tonto. It's a complete song instrumentally in 00 and 8 years later it's on the list for CD2 with a V next to it that maybe means vocals? Seems possible.

Add OMG, Hard Skool & Absurd to that and there's your album. Throw in updated versions of CD, Prostitute, Better, TIL and you have your deluxe edition.



EDIT: Other fun thought, we've all assumed the updated Better intro and the stripped back CD that they play live now are the work of Slash & Duff, yet the version of Absurd they released is pretty damn close to sounding like the leaked Bumble demo.... what if they did nothing and what they're playing is just Better2 & Chi2.

6 hours ago, cineater said:

The risk is low but the cost is high.  Kind of like "oh fuck, I'm pregnant".  

Everybody but Axl has a replacement that they might be able to get to fill in if it's not the day of a show.  Could make for some interesting guest spots for us.  Not wishing anybody ill but would love to see some former members one more time.

Now I'm picturing Slash having to miss a show and Axl getting on the phone to Bumble and Robin to call in a huge favour.

43 minutes ago, arrio said:

If guns Is going to play a new single where would it be at .i mean which gig you consider the most important in europe

The London shows. Biggest english speaking market and a lot of US outlets have a big presence there so it's likely the gig will be covered by the press and there will be reviews in the papers.

Other choice is the Netherlands gig but that's just cause it's on a Thursday and they can do the perform and release at midnight thing they did with Absurd.

I think counting Shadow as a cover is stupid, by that logic so is Reckless Life. The only person involved in writing those two songs on stage is Axl. When they play Slither they actually have more original writers on stage.

To my mind Shadow, Reckless aren't covers. Slither technically is but it at least has two people who wrote the song on stage and apart from not being on a GN'R release it's about as much of a GN'R written song as Shadow or Reckless are.

The Duff cover I just mentally consider his solo spot, doesn't even register for me as a proper song on the setlist.

Two of the covers in the set LALD and KOHD, I have no issue with them playing those songs when I see em live. They were released on the band's albums and are two of the band's biggest hits - there are casual rock fans out there that don't even realise they are covers.

That leaves Back In Black, Wichita & Seeker. They gotta drop these. I'm sure it's fun to hear one of them as a novelty when you're at a show but three! Three covers that aren't on any GN'R release and don't have any connection to any band member. 

I'll be disappointed if I get all three when I see them, because to my mind those are slots in the set where I could hear songs from the band I paid to see. 

Like @metallex78 said, I go to a GN'R show to hear GN'R songs not AC/DC songs.

Anyone who was at the show manage to get a photo or a copy of the setlist?

He was straight up just skipping multiple lines from the song

I don't care what they soundcheck or play tonight because for the first show of the tour I'd expect it to be by the numbers. 

Just curious about what's on the list under alts and if anyone can get a photo of it.

5 minutes ago, axlslash said:

Do we actually have ears on Axl singing on Reckless? This would be far from the first time they soundchecked an incredible setlist addition that Axl never sang on and never made it into the set. Looking at you, heavier update of Oh My God.

Yeah, there's clips of him singing it at soundcheck.

8 minutes ago, Bitchisback said:

I am going to the louder than life music festival produced by the same people later this year in Kentucky. Hoping for better results lol.

 

Sounds like a nightmare down there

Same! 

On 5/18/2022 at 9:50 PM, kingcanyon said:

Guns play on the space zebra stage all shows on th dw stage are streamed on twitch

Any source for this?

I'm not expecting anything new tonight, maybe at some point on the European tour. Would be interesting if we can get a photo of the setlist from this show though.

Slash discussed how you used to just do the single before the album but now things are different and are rolled out differently prior to an album and that they were looking at all that. That part happened.

He also said ultimately they want to do an album. He's been correct so far. Don't see a reason to doubt what he's saying. Same with Fernando over last 1-2 years, almost everything he has said has come to be true - he's just vague at times just like Slash.

11 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Speaking about Guns N' Roses' plans for the coming months, the guitarist said: "We're just doing this one run [of shows] in the States and a couple of dates in Mexico end of this month into November. And so that's it for Guns for now. And I think we have something coming up in March as far as touring is concerned. Obviously, everybody knows that we're working on new material, which is really exciting, and so, that's really primarily what the focus is."

Asked if the Guns songwriting process has involved everybody working individually or together in a studio, Slash said: "I have nothing to tell you, information-wise, other than no, it's not that. Everybody has been sort of, like, when we're in town, working on it. And then when we're out of town, obviously not. So it's been that kind of thing."

Slash also talked about whether Guns N' Roses fans can expect to see new music from the band in the form of standalone singles or as a full-length record. He explained: "I think at the end of the day, everybody wants to have a full album released. I don't think that's really changed all that much. But there's a different way of putting stuff out initially nowadays more so than… I mean, there's always been the single, but now you sort of look at that preliminary release a little bit differently now. All things considered, it's like the Wild West out there; there is no formula for any of it. [Laughs] I haven't seen any routine kind of thing that works. I mean, you can do any one of a million different things to releasing a record. But at the end of the day, I think that we will ultimately release a full album."

Ok, credit to Slash. He talked about all this in advance and it started happening. Covid clearly delayed their plans. Based on that, lets consider what he says as more reliable.

First bold part - New material is the primary focus.

Second bold part - He points out the rollout towards a new release is much different these days, and he's right. Artists will release singles many months if not sometimes a year before their album comes out.

Third bold part - He says ultimately at the end of their plans a full album will be released and he says at the start everybody wants to do an album.


When these comments first came out we all took what was said with a pinch of salt because we'd been burned before. Well what Slash said in those first and second bold parts has come true. Also, worth pointing out that in the 2019 interview where he talks about that leg, Hard Skool was sound checked and on the setlist for that leg but just not played. They've been working on these plans for a while and have started rolling it out.

Feels like "soon" may be the word.

USA is tapped out on Guns, anyone who ever wanted to see the reunion has had the chance multiple times since 2016 in almost every year since except 2020. In the UK there's been two nights of London shows in 17 and a festival show in 2018. Demand is bigger, don't expect a drop off in pricing. 

This time at least they are doing a show in Glasgow so if you're closer to there you can got to that show - Will also be different feel venue wise, the show isn't in a stadium, is in a big park.

11 minutes ago, HollyWoodRose84 said:

Fans,
 

We’ll be F’n back in the F’n New Year with an F’n new setlist and F’n Axl will be less F’n bloated and cracking even more F’n jokes. 
 

SinF’ncerely,

 

GnF’nR

 

PS.    F’n! 

This f'n guy f'n gets it. You'll be the social media manager by the end of the f'n week.

8 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said:

This was my favorite "NITL lineup" year after 2016 and 2017. 

It's the most interesting the band has been since 2016. The reunion has had some clear phases.

NITL Part 1: OH MY GOD SLASH AND DUFF ARE BACK (16-17)
NITL Part 2: Appetite Boxset, Some small setlist changes, oh this acoustic version of Move to the City is intersting I guess (18-19)
F'n Everything has F'n in it: Lockdown silence and WTF SILKWORMS IS BACK?! (2020-Present)

We'll see what happens now. The reunion wow factor is definitely over and they pumped the AFD nostalgia well dry. Maybe they do something big for Illusions but they already play all the Illusions songs people want to hear. They either tour on the novelty of just existing for the next 2 years or they release more shit.

To stop myself being dissapointed will expect nothing and silence.

That said, they've shown the capacity to release songs now with very little notice. We anticipated Absurd only because of the setlist being seen for the first show and then they played it. What we didn't anticipate was just a few days later they would release it. After that it became "Where's Hard Skool?" because we had seen it on setlists for a while and heard them rehearse it in soundcheck repeatedly - even a couple of times with Axl. We then eventually got Hard Skool, again with no pre-announcement, it just released at midnight and they sent some tweets out.

We also had the curiosity of OMG being on setlists in 2018 and lyrics being on the screen during YCBM on this leg of the tour. Odd.

Could they do more songs/an album in December? Possibly. There would be no need to have any of that rehearsed or on a setlist as there were never shows planned for the December timeframe - only October & November with the Mexico and Australia dates. So it is possible we see something that hasn't been worked up for performing yet. This would be a truly surprise release as there are not setlists or soundchecks that could hint towards it.

I see some people talking about the shipment dates of the physical Hard Skool release as another launch. It really doesn't seem like it. The launch of that single was two weeks ago, the February and June 2022 shipment dates are just them fulfilling orders. Other things can be released digitally in the meantime - it's not impossible.

Like I said at the top I'm not going to expect any of that, but will stay a little hopeful as they've finally ripped the seal off and have started releasing music. They clearly like to try and do them as surprises with no fanfare beforehand, so basically once we're 6 weeks out from the Hard Skool release date, each Thursday midnight can be something to anticipate.

2 hours ago, zombux said:

if some "insiders" are to be believed, Quick Song also very likely has complete lyrics (and also different name). 

I haven't heard this "insider" rumour. 

Love that the rumour isn't that the vocals are complete. It's that it's very likely vocals are complete 

29 minutes ago, zombux said:

7/10, just as Absurd. both are fine, if they keep delivering more Village sessions this way, I won't be too excited but it will be cool, I don't hate it

If it gets us to a point where we hear unheard songs or finished versions of songs then so be it.

Atlas is the only son from the Zutaut leaks that sounds complete enough from a song writing point of view (and Zutaut said as much about it's status in 01).

Perhaps - still very demo-y. Not finished, the song is just missing something but also feel like it's one that shouldn't be hurt in anyway by Slash and Duff tinkering with it. Same with Atlas.

State of Grace... even less complete, vocal take circa 2000 is scratch and rough. Who knows if this ever got completed or got pulled apart and used in other songs/turned into other songs.

The rest of the tracks from those Zutaut leaks are instrumentals, sketches/ideas, complete songs with looping lyrics etc. We know at the least The General exists with vocals, can realistically hope there is more and hopefully they continue releasing music now to get this stuff out the door.

3 hours ago, Stiff Competition said:

The big issue to me here (which probably has been covered but I'm not reading all of this shit) is that yes, there is a big backup at pressing plants but the fact that we are getting that long of a wait means that they have no clue what the fuck they are doing in terms of planning. They should have sent these to a plant early this year and had it ready for the tour or at least RSDBF. To me, it just paints the picture of a management team flying by the seat of their pants. Honestly, no one will give a shit about Hard Skool by 6/2022.

They're clearly taking orders from buyers then putting the order into the plants.

They're not expecting people to care about Hard Skool by 6/22. The release is now, people are meant to be caring about it now. The delivery of this physical media is just hardcore fans getting their collectible bit of merch.

19 hours ago, Sosso said:

I would love to hear some of those recordings. The first rehearsals with Ole and Duff, the first couple of shows (March 26 or April 11 for example). They played Sweet Emotion from Aerosmith but that one got replaced with Mama Kin when Slash joined the band. 

He's never going to share. He's just going to keep it all to trade with other people who have other unheard material.

3 hours ago, default_ said:

Jerry Cantrell did, and Duff plays on his album lol

Yeah, a full album. The vinyl doesn't ship until December, orders already taken and the album comes out at end of October with album shipping near end of December.

My point stands, physical releases are occurring months after digital release. GN'R are clearly taking orders on their product now upfront, before going to print with accurate numbers - possibly a lesson learnt from all those AFD boxes they failed to sell.

21 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

I bet SMKC won't have any problems publishing their physical records on time.

Single or album?

I can't think of any artist this year who has done a physical album release alongside the release day of the album online. Also, much easier to do for albums where you will sell through retail, where you will predict demand and buy accordingly - not easy for a niche 7" where it's likely a one and done print run just for those who put in orders.