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You might have overlooked it, but I linked to the discussion in my comment. I know what it said. And if your going by what the cousin said, Axl and Janaina did have a romantic relationship. That's who he is talking to in the video.

In the video, Axl is also supposedly talking to a woman he's trying to sleep with, and her cousin is the one who provided the video. Why would he start talking about a wife? Additionally, the cousin only refers to Beta as Axl's manager in the original article, which would be unlikely if Axl point blank told her that Beta was his "wife".

We have heard both Axl and Beta refer to her as mother plenty of times over the years, and only one instance of him referring to her as wife, in a video so muffled that we can't be sure "wife" is what he said. (I hear "Beta is my armor, Beta is my life".) Either way, Fernando himself said his mother and Axl's relationship isn't romantic, and Beta herself has described their relationship as "mother and son" on at least 3 occasions

Exactly. He didn't want to release it. When he was forced to, it had a big mental and physical fallout for him. Compare Axl in 2006 to Axl in 2010, the next time he toured after ChiDem released. He was more lethargic, he was less willing to interact with the press/public, he was physically unhealthier, and he would later go on to describe those post-release years as the most miserable of his life. Why on earth would he volunteer himself for that again?

Why would he release more albums if it doesn't benefit him in any way? It would not change his career in a significant way. It would not make him happier (it probably would make him unhappy tbh, judging by his reaction to being forced to release CD).It also would not make him money. Therefore, it is not logical for him to pursue music right now from a basic cost-benefit standpoint. At his age the only reason the continue with music is if he has a passion for that specifically... But does he have a passion for it anymore? Just because Axl isn't living his life the way random strangers want him to live it, doesn't mean he's lazy or mentally ill. He told people in his last interview years ago that he did not intend to put out music soon. What doesn't compute?

That's my position. There's young women at the parties sometimes, but there's a lot of companies that specifically hire out groups of models to go to these things for appearances. I remember going to a Motley Crue/Def Leppard concert where they asked women to flash the crowd camera. There was a young blonde a few rows in front me who did it and then promptly walked out the venue right after the photo op was done. We never see Axl with any woman outside that backstage environment and no stories from women who have claimed to have sex with him. There have been a few girls who said they were pulled backstage but didn't interact with Axl, or only talked to him for a second and nothing else, and one even said they still didn't know who he was lol. Compare Axl to people like Anthony Keidis, Leonardo DiCaprio, Drake, or Mick Jagger. Those guys have tons of stories floating around about them on the internet, with very specific details. You don't go sleeping around like that without there being a ton of evidence left behind.

I very rarely check this forum. It's very low quality of conversation on here compared to every other gnr fan community. Today I decided to scrape the bottom of the barrel and come here because there hasn't been much conversation about Duff's tour on other platforms, only to see people debating on whether it's okay for a rich lady to hold an umbrella. I was baffled enough to comment lol. You can carry on with it though, don't let me ruin it for you if you think this is riveting conversation.

This is the dumbest conversation ever had on this platform, and that's saying a lot. Woman who lives in the lap of luxury for existing holds an umbrella for 30 seconds while they walk outside. What cruelty. I'm sure Beta can dry her tears with hundred dollar bills, or take a vacation to the luxury ski resort her daughter's family have been staying at for months off Axl's dime, or maybe take a drive in Axl's Maybach to clear her head while she recovers from the trauma of holding a 1-pound bundle of plastic for a minute. Obviously we can tell every detail of their relationship based off of 3 incredibly blurry pictures of people that might not even be them.

The people who did the Look Away documentary are not the same people who are handling Sheila's lawsuit. To be completely honest, Sheila's lawyers are doing terrible research if they're platforming this " Little Michelle" woman.

He had facial hair for such a long time before the reunion started, and then when 2016 he abruptly stopped. Now he never even lets himself grow stubble anymore. Not even in his downtime. It's not a big deal, but I do wonder why such a strict change. He looked good with the mustache imo.

Yeah, this is the same girl that was excluded from the Look Away documentary because even they could see she was batshit insane. I remember her complaining about it on one of her videos, saying that Axl's lawyers "blocked" her. They didn't block Sheila Kennedy though. It's a obvious that this woman, whoever she is, needs serious mental help. Last time I checked on her, she was talking about time travelling to visit her younger self and casting spells on people. Also, Raz Cue can choke. Trump has 18 separate sexual assault allegations on his head, but Raz is a-okay with that and will happily call all those women liars. But we're supposed to sit here and pretend he cares or believes one iota of what Michelle's talking about? It's obvious he was just annoyed some former associates were opposing his Dear Leader and was grasping at straws to bitch back. What a scumbag.

It's a well-known fact that studio singing is a lot different than live singing. I would think most people know that by now. Brian Johnson sounds much different in the track than usual, just as an obvious example. If that's you're reasoning, it doesn't make much sense.

Exactly. People who want to defend Axl should not just take his word for it. As a defendant in this case, it's his job to deny everything, so you can't rely on that. People should look at the evidence and draw their own conclusions. If you have to turn your brain off and ignore the details of the story in order to defend someone, that person is not worth defending. Luckily, this is not the case with Sheila Kennedy. There are a lot of holes in Sheila's story, and there's no need to have blind loyalty to Axl to see it.

In the Look Away documentary that was released two years ago, she said (even emphasized) that the sex was consensual. And the documentary was full of women accusing various music industry players of rape. That was the whole purpose of it being made, I'm sure the documentary makes would have loved for her to say that too.

Splitting hairs again. I estimate they had the conversation in December of 1990 and Axl gave the interview just a bit over 12 months later. Saying "last year" and or that it was "a year ago" both make sense in that context. Again, that's how normal humans talk.

I did estimate late 1990, and I stick by that. You brought up that Rolling Stone interview where Axl said he found out his sister was sexually abused by his stepfather "last year". While the cover story didn't come out until April of 1992, Axl conducted that Interview in January of 1992 while the band was on tour in Las Vegas. That would be about 12-and-a-half months after the events of December 1990, when Zutaut was in the studio helping Axl record vocals. Since Axl talks like a normal human being, he just said it happened a year ago instead of "about 12 months and 13 days ago, I found out..." like he's some kind of timekeeping robot. But whether it happened in 1990 or the early months of 1991, that's still before he started recovered memory therapy, which was your excuse for not believing Axl's words about being sexually abused by his stepfather. Axl's memories about his stepfather were authentic and completely his own.

You can't say I'm the one that's "sloppy with facts", when 3 other posters besides me have been constantly correcting you on your comments, and you refuse to listen to them either. Not once through this whole conversation did anyone have to do that to me lol. Almost everything you've said you've gotten wrong, and multiple people have devoted paragraphs to explaining why, and yet... you're still here still not getting facts right and you had to be corrected AGAIN. Speaks volumes, not that I expect you to grasp that either.

1. We do know when the conversation with Zutaut took place. Zutaut directly said that Axl told him about it while recording the UYI albums' vocals. Axl and Zutaut fell out and stopped talking to each other in late 1990, so he and Axl talked about it before then. That was months before Axl started regression therapy. 2. He made comments that he thought they were normal when he was child and still being raised by his stepfather. He did not say that it was normal and non-abusive when he started talking about it in interviews. You said he was doing the same thing as Sheila Kennedy, which is the false part. Sheila Kennedy, decades after it allegedly happened, was still asserting that it was consensual in interviews, up to 2 years ago. Axl did not do anything like this. If you want me to stop accusing you of saying things that aren't true... simply stop saying things that aren't true. 3. Choosing not to talk about something personal to you is not the same as changing the details of a story you already told (which Sheila did several times) and lying about several more details. Obviously. I shouldn't have to explain that but you I guess you find new way to surprise me every time.

This is also not true. Axl talked about how being raised in an environment of normalized violence influenced how he responded to situations later on in life, but he always called it exactly what it was: abuse. He first stated talking about it publicly in 1989, and his description of it never changed. He's maintained all these decades that he was abused physically and mentally in many awful ways. When he did talk about trying to reconnect with his stepfather, he talked about trying to forgive what he did and move on from past traumas (until he found that wasn't possible). It's only now that we're learning, against Axl's will, that the extent of his stepfathers abuse of him was worse than he let on publicly. Plus, the extra details we now know more of are completely consistent with what we've heard before. This is nothing like Sheila Kennedy. She has already been proven to have lied and embellished (intentionally or not) key details, her details of her story keeps changing in contradictory ways, she said she consented just two years ago (and maintained that for decades) and then suddenly says she didn't consent now that she's seeking money for a lawsuit, and details she had in her original book are being dropped from the lawsuit at her convenience. She completely inconsistent and exaggerates at every opportunity, which is actually the exact opposite of what Axl has been over the decades.

Not true. Axl never said that. Axl started past life regression therapy months after his conversation with Tom Zutaut. That means that the conversation with Zutaut (where he confessed to Zutaut about sexual abuse by his stepfather) featured no recovered memories. These were memories he had all along that he just wasn't open about. You can make an argument that the memories of his biological father (not stepfather) are false memories resulting from regression therapy, but his stepfather is a completely separate issue.

He also pointed to the Howard Stern interview, where she completely fabricated statements Axl had made during the interview. Very big misstep by Sheila. Any jury could look at that and see she has a history of lying about easily verifiable things in order to "embellish" her story. If she lied about that then what else could she lie about? Since there's no evidence of what allegedly happened between them privately, then the entire case rests on making people believe she is credible and her motives are pure.

Shortly after this picture is when the conversation with Tom Zutaut happened and then the Rolling Stone interview in 1992. Which is for the best. I understand the impulse to try to recapture a feeling of family you never got to have, but this photo just is sad to me knowing the history behind it now.

I don't know if you were aware, but it's possible to have other family members besides your mother, father, brother, and sister... And someone else already pointed out that neither his mother or his stepfather ever attended any concert, much less in the 90s when Axl was done with them for good.

What does Axl's stepdad have to do with that quote? It didn't say he invited him, or which family members he invited at all besides his grandmother. He can't spend time with his maternal grandmother if he's angry with a man who is completely unrelated to her?

Velvet Revolver profited off the success of GnR for the first album, failed to create an organic fanbase of loyal fans, and then their second album bombed so hard they got dropped from their record label and the band broke up. If people are using that as a mold for how GnR would have done without Axl, that's not much of a compliment. It was an absolutely stupid idea to fire their frontman from the album that was just starting to blow up. If they had done that, they would have failed and deserved every bit of that failure.