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Im a diehard GNR fan of 25+ years and always try to find the good in everything GNR even if its a stretch. Lets not kid ourselves, this song is absolutely HORRIBLE. Its something an 8th grade garage band would play. The sounds are so cringe, I think I have written similar to this song on my 2003 Roland Boss 8 track recorder using COSM effects back in the day. Only I was smart enough to delete it, cause it sucked.
This song isn't growth or evolution like we can say of some other songs, this is just pure trash. I wish they would pull this off Spotify and pretend like it never happened.
This is worse than Chinese leftovers, its like the crappy cake your child makes using an Easy Bake Oven, where the parents pretend to like it, when everyone knows its a tragedy.
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I was at all 4 Hammerstein shows, and they were all equally amazing. 2 shows I was on the floor, 2 in the balcony. The shows I was on the floor, when jungle kicked in the concrete floor of the venue no joke was flexing up and down with the crowd jumping. I've been to hundreds of concerts and never experienced this before, to the point I started to get a little scared the floor was going to crack.
Tons of celebrities along both sides of the venue. Off the top of my head, Brian May, Lenny Kravitz, Sebastian Bach (came on stage and sang), Kid Rock (came on stage and sang), Izzy, Fred Durst, Justin Timberlake walked by me one show. What seemed like every single Victoria Secret model was in attendance.
One of the last shows, I remember Sebastian Bach had to finish all or part of Paradise City, Axl went off stage, I think he was having throat issues? Axl went balls to the wall the first show, for the 2nd show he told us he almost didn't make it, woke up without a voice, Sebastian Bachs vocal coach came to the rescue and got his voice back, if it weren't for him, the show would've been cancelled. He thanked both of them.
Axl went on stage between 11-12 every night I believe.
Side Note - Ive been on these forums since probably 2002/2003 maybe earlier? Every era of Axl, in the moment other than maybe Axl/DC, people on here say how Axl isn't as good as (insert era here) and he doesn't look as good as (insert era here). When he had the braids, people generally disliked it, and in 2006 people generally disliked his voice very much other than a few songs at Rock Am Ring 2006 which people said was a glimpse of old Axl. Its just funny to see in 2012, and 2016, and 2023 how people wish they had 2006 Axl, when at the time, no one wanted 2006 Axl. In 2016/2017 when he was growing his hair or wearing too many hats, people wanted him back in braids cause "he looked badass in braids". At the time, people HATED that look and would say he looked like Predator, its fake hair, its yarn, its extensions.
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Been a die hard fan of GNR since the early 90's, always defend Axl, been to 15+ GNR shows. Been to 8+ Slash Shows since 2009 solo record. Was in the pit center last night about 10 people back from the barricade and the beginning of the show the sound was lacking, got a little better as the show went, but still not the best. Axl, I love his voice and singing, but he really struggles on songs/parts he switches between full voice lower registered to falsetto. His full voice is so powerful and loud that his mic needs to be dialed back and his falsetto just like anyones is not nearly as powerful so with his mic dialed back, it makes those parts pretty much impossible to hear. Now when the song is mostly falsetto, they clearly turn up the mic and he sounds pretty good and audible, songs like civil war, slither, brownstone and many more is tough these days. The sound guy could get better at knowing the parts and raising and lowering the mic in real time if that is possible.
Axl still definitely has the power and can deliver vintage Axl when he wants, and he does do it in parts, but you can tell he is almost on "limp mode" cause at 61 years old, if he sang full vintage Axl he could probably last 1 hour and then not be able to sing for days, not conducive to a long tour. I get that.
Biggest let down was WTTJ - they slowed the tempo down most likely to help Axl and it just drains the energy out of the song. When I saw them in 2006 at Hammerstein, when Jungle was played the crowd bounced so vigorously that the concrete floor was flexing up and down and I legit thought the floor was going to crack. Last night, people barely moved in the pit. Band was tight, Slash was awesome as usually, sometimes his guitar was buried in the mix and somehow Fortus seemed louder.
Final critique - there didn't seem to be any speakers pointing directly at the pit, the volume wasn't that loud and therefore never got that full engulfed concert feeling. They need to push more sound to the pit . The speakers on each side of the stage definitely pushed sound to the rest of the venue and could notice a big difference in sound on my runs to the bathroom.
Axl still has it when he wants to, but has aged which is life
Slash is still a monster, definitely seems to be bored a bit which results in him tinkering with almost every solo famous or not.
Band is tight, background vocals are super high in the mix
I would definitely go see them again, but I have unfortunately lowered my expectations, which is not completely unnatural seeing guys in their 60's try and rock out.
Here are the shows ive been to that I am using as a reference:
Boston 2002
NYC Hammerstein shows 2006 (all 4 of them)
11/5/2006 - East Rutherford. NJ
11/10/2006 - MSG, NYC
11/17/2011 - East Rutherford, NJ
2/15/2012 - The Ritz Webster Hall
4/8/16 - Las Vegas - 1st night of reunion
7/23/2016 - East Rutherford - Metlife
7/24/2016 - East Rutherford - Metlife
10/15/2017 - MSG
10/16/2017 - MSG
8/5/2021 - East Rutherford - Metlife
Ive seen some stuff I guess you can say.
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What time do you think GNR will take the stage? What time have they been goin on the last few shows of the NA tour?
also - any idea what time curfew is at metlife?
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I was at the NYC Ritz 2012 show. It was a WEDNESDAY night and Axl rolled on stage around midnight and played until 3am. So a 3-4 hour wait, and the show was well worth it.
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Video compilation I made about a year ago...
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it looks like they based this off of the Estranged Video when Slash comes up out of the water for the solo....except that wasn't actually Slash in the video, was a stand in since he wouldn't do that scene
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27 minutes ago, Blackstar said:
The problem is that the contract document that made the public domain (the one in the link), and in which the name clause was added as an asterisk (so it does look that it could have been added at a later time), seems to be just one of a few copies of it - if I'm not mistaken, this particular document was attached to the 2004 Slash/Duff lawsuit as one of the exhibits, so it probably was a draft copy Slash or Duff had in their possession. I suppose there was a more official written up version in which the name clause was incorporated in the main text.
I guess in Axl's mind, his reasoning or excuse, if you will, was that his resignation from the partnership was just an "amendment" of the legal/business status of the GN'R band, which continued to exist, so Slash and Duff would "just" have to join the new partnership in order to continue to be in the band. So, for him, the fact that Slash didn't join the new partnership meant that he (Slash) left the GN'R partnership on Dec. 31, 1995 - although, like I said, Slash (and probably Duff as well) remained in band until they quit under a "transitional" status where they were still part of the old partnership and didn't join the new partnership. Also like I said, I don't think Axl would have made them employees - as for Zakk Wylde, the deal was over by Aug. 1995.
The 2004 lawsuit was dismissed "without prejudice", which means that the parties (Axl had counter-sued) could file it again in the future if they were so inclined. That was most likely the result of both parties mutually withdrawing their lawsuits, I guess because they both wanted to avoid a jury trial and weren't able to reach a settlement. So neither party won in that lawsuit - and, as far as we know, nothing changed after that as still all three of them needed to sign off for songs to be used, and they also blocked each other's video releases.
The 1992 partnership owned certain companies/corporations (in which the three partners were shareholders) and assets. After Slash and Duff left, the companies for touring etc. were dissolved/liquidated, except one: Guns N' Roses Music, Inc. (the publishing company that controlled the rights to the back catalogue) remained active, and the partnership remained active through it, as all three partners were still shareholders.
In their 2004 lawsuit against Axl, Slash and Duff claimed that Axl had no voting or veto rights, since he had resigned from the partnership (the lawsuit was basically because they wanted to license songs to be used in movies and Axl vetoed them). From the little we know about the content of Axl's response and counter-suit (unfortunately we don't have the documents), Axl claimed that he still had rights to the old partnership despite his resignation letter.
crazy how much legal finagling goes on behind the scenes in a rock band
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18 minutes ago, denin said:
That's a good point. Axl did indeed quit the band (partnership) and said he did it to protect the band. One can claim that he acted in bad faith, but S&D should've raised that issue up in late '95. Slash mentioned in his autobiography that he "really didn't know what to do" when Axl sent him that letter. Have a real lawyer look into it, maybe? Same goes to the band members agreements drawn up in Fall '96. In retrospect, S&D seemed to have been caught off-guard by Guns turning into a corporation and offering them employment.
Axl was not too interested in Zakk Wylde. He was more about the '96 version of Aerosmith Rocks, with Slash playing lead guitar. Just that soon after, he heard the DJ Shadow album...
Slash/Duff really couldn't do anything in late 95. The General Partnership agreement says anyone can leave with 120 days notice, which is exactly what Axl did. A lawyer isn't going to force Axl to stay. I read Slash's book when it came out, I haven't read it since, but given everything that happened up until that point, with St Lous riot, Montreal Riot, the various lawsuits Axl was in. Axl wanting to bring a monster lead guitarist in (Zakk Wylde) to play with Slash, they dont complement each other at all. Axl rejecting Slash's material and him making the Snakepit album by himself, Axl being difficult or a recluse, if I were in Slash's shoes and got that letter in August, I wouldn't know what to do either. Add hard drugs and alcohol into the mix, and now you really dont know what to do. I think Slash tried to appease Axl by doing that 2 week session with Zakk. As for the band members agreements drawn up in 1996, from Axl's MTV fax, it would appear that Slash wasn't going to be offered an employment agreement. Not sure what Matt and Duff did, but if Slash is gone and Axl starts a new corporation which is is majority or 100% owner, and has 100% ownership of the name, and is the "voice' and frontman of the band. Its not like at that point, Duff could really demand much of anything of a company he owns 0% of. Was probably a reasonably generous take it or leave it type of deal, which him and Matt took, until they couldn't take it anymore. Kind of an interesting revelation of the inner workings of the band. I wonder if Axl rejoined the original partnership or if they created a new one for the reunion?
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@Blackstar I think we are pretty much on the same page.
1. The agreement was signed in November 1992 which makes sense given the timeline with Izzy, even though the agreement says "effective date" Sept 1991. Probably whatever splits and agreements they made and monies were shuffled back to Sept 1991.
2. I wouldn't think something like that would be made after the fact and initialed on only. Its a 9 page agreement, they would have just rewritten the agreement and had fresh copies signed. It doesn't look just added either (https://imgbox.com/MRCxCgki) it looks to fit and flow with the document. They were one of, if not, the biggest band in the world that already had lots of litigation with Steven and other incidents, legal documents involved lawyers and were crafted with lawyers heavily involved. If this were a 1984-1986 document, money was tight, they weren't world renowned rockstars, I could see it being added on the fly. I am a HUGE Slash fan as I play guitar, but am also a huge Axl fan. I call it as I see it on this one, Slash and Duff exaggerated the duress.
3. Axl always maintained he was the last man standing and was left to keep the GNR banner and name going, everyone quit. Just as I called Slash out above, I call Axl out on this, he is the one that quit the Original GNR Partnership that has been in effect in various forms since 1984. So Slash and Duff were left as members of an entity that couldn't use the GNR name to perform or release, kinda left out there in a rudderless boat. Axl is the one that actually quit, he legally left the partnership even though in the Fax he sent MTV he says otherwise and still maintains otherwise. Now Axl's new partnership or whatever he created was something Axl would have to allow Slash/Duff to join or maybe make them employees which Slash clearly did not seem interested in. The quit during the late fall 1995 trial period, but as Axl gave his 120 day resignation notice on Aug 31, 1995....it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that Axl was going off to do his own thing on Dec 31 1995 anyway, maybe his plan was to hire both Slash and Zakk as employees, and Slash wasn't having that?
I wonder if Slash and Duff prevailed in that 2004 lawsuit about Axl blocking all the licensing opportunities. From their arguments and what I can find, Axl actually didn't have a right to veto license opportunities, unless he could stop it via mechanical/sync royalties? Maybe movie studios wanted all 3 to sign off to protect themselves from Axl one day dropping a lawsuit on them and causing years of litigation, he sure had that reputation. I could see movie studios passing on a song if it were going to cause crazy headaches, kinda like how Axl sued Guitar Hero 3 for $20 Million 3 years after the game was released cause Slash was on it.
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I posted this in the Izzy topic of why he didn't join the reunion, but as the post was made it came to a life of its own. I felt it might be more fitting as its own topic, and am open to see how right, or wrong, my conclusions were on how the events went down from 1984 - 1998
Based on publicly available information.
December 1984 - Guns N' Roses files a general partnership agreement containing (Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven) as members of the partnership
August 25, 1986 - The GNR Partnership signs a recording agreement with Geffen which was amended at some point to separate AFD and Lies (Old Records) and UYI 1 and UYI 2 (Illusions LP's)
March 28, 1990 - The Partners of the GNR General Partnership entered into an agreement transforming Adler from a member of the partnership to an employee of the Partnership (Izzy was still a member, and I presume a vote took place, majority ruled Adler's fate? 4 to 1?).
July 19, 1991 - Adler filed a lawsuit against GNR Partnership making allegations mainly that he was forced to sign document giving up his partnership interest, he was strung out when he signed and no lawyer was present on his behalf when he signed.
September 24, 1993 - Adler settled out of court on with GNR Partnership paying Adler $2.3 Million, $150,000 from Alan Niven and $50,000 from Doug Goldstein. Parts of the court case with Axl testifying can be found on YouTube.
Back to 1991
September 9, 1991 - Izzy resigns from the partnership just 8 days before Use Your Illusions albums are released. I believe he was scared of litigation or upcoming litigation surrounding the riots in St. Louis among other reasons/sobriety/not wanting to tour stadiums etc.
September 10, 1991 - A new or amended General Partnership agreement is established, from this date on, profit splits were not equal. Management decisions were made by Axl and Slash, if they could not agree, Duff would be the tie breaker.
- The current partners (Axl/Slash/Duff) divided Net Merchandise Profits, all net NEW record profits (Illusions LP's, Spaghetti, Live Era) and Net Touring Profits by this split: 36 1/3% to Axl: 33 1/3% to Slash: 30 1/3% to Duff.
- The document states "Such division will commence with the date hereof with respect to Net New Record Profits and shall commence with November 1, 1992 with respect to Net Merchandise Profits, Net Touring Profits, and Net Miscellaneous Profits." This document was signed on November 15, 1992 by Slash...November 21, 1992 by Duff. Axl signed it, but is not dated next to his name. The agreement although signed in November 1992 states the "effective date" as September 10, 1991. Its almost an agreement that was made and kinda back dated.
- The agreement also stipulates Old Record Profits are to be split 20% each member (Axl/Slash/Duff/Izzy/Adler)
- Lastly the agreement states that if any member leaves they would be considered a "Terminated Member" only Axl/Slash/Duff are left as members at this point, and no matter what scenario happens, Axl has the right to use the Group Name "Guns N Roses" exclusively in the future. GNR were on a 6 week break from the tour when this agreement was signed by Slash and Duff. 10/6/92 - Seattle, WA with next show 11/25/92 in Venezuela. So the need to sign this otherwise Axl won't go on stage is a stretch, because it wasn't a show night or week. Now I am sure if they didn't sign, the rest of the tour would've been cancelled, so that myth is a stretched truth in reality, not false but not as dire as Slash/Duff made it seem. I always thought it was they signed it the day of a show/day before a show to prevent a riot. If GNR didn't show up to Venezuela a riot probably would've ensued, but who knows
August 31, 1995 - Axl sent written notice to Slash and Duff informing them he was going to withdraw from the partnership effective December 30, 1995 and was going to form a new group using the name "Guns N' Roses"
December 31, 1995 - Slash and Duff are the only remaining members of Original GNR partnership. Axl left the partnership, created a new one and took GNR name with him and did not include Slash or Duff in his new band. At this point, Slash and Duff legally were not able to perform under the name Guns N' Roses even though Slash/Duff still remain the only members of Original GNR and own and control all Original GNR partnership assets.
Oct 31, 1996 - Axl sends his infamous fax to MTV stating Slash will not be musically involved in any new GNR endeavor and has for the most part not been since April 1994 other than a 2 week period with Zakk Wylde in late fall of 1995. Axl goes on to state "Slash has been "OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY" outside of the Guns N' Roses Partnership since December 31, 1995." From the documents I am looking at, Axl actually left GNR, not Slash and Duff like has been said. I guess Duff and Matt were employees of Axl's new GNR in 1996-1997 until they quit as they admitted to.
So why all this? Well lots of things went down, Izzy voluntarily walked away, I would assume he still gets and has always gotten his publishing and songwriting royalties from UYI, but he might have given that up with the resignation? I am not sure. Risk/Reward...Izzy didn't want the litigation risk and Axl risks, and he left, therefore should not be rewarded on an equal/semi equal basis that Slash and Duff are because they toured for 3 years, made the now famous music videos, put in the effort to brand the GNR name for years after Izzy left. Not only that, Slash has kept the GNR name in the limelight with Guitar Hero, his non stop touring of his solo projects, and all his media appearances over the last 25+ years. Axl kept the name going as well with his touring. Izzy wrote GREAT songs/contributions, but he let Slash and Duff do the heavy lifting from Sept 1991 till present. I would hope they offered Izzy a nice payday for the reunion, but in reality, the reunion is Axl and Slash, the casual fan doesn't know Duff/Izzy/insert drummer name here...lets be honest. If I were Slash that went thru what he did all those years, plus getting hammered in the press for the GNR breakup, and having to answer non stop questions about it, while Izzy was in isolation for 20+ years dodging all the flack, I would probably not want to "split the loot" evenly either at that point.
For a deeper dive:
https://www.a-4-d.com/t3745-1992-10-dd-guns-n-roses-partnership-contract-memorandum-of-agreement
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Based on publicly available information.
December 1984 - Guns N' Roses files a general partnership agreement containing (Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven) as members of the partnership
August 25, 1986 - The GNR Partnership signs a recording agreement with Geffen which was amended at some point to separate AFD and Lies (Old Records) and UYI 1 and UYI 2 (Illusions LP's)
March 28, 1990 - The Partners of the GNR General Partnership entered into an agreement transforming Adler from a member of the partnership to an employee of the Partnership (Izzy was still a member, and I presume a vote took place, majority ruled Adler's fate? 4 to 1?).
July 19, 1991 - Adler filed a lawsuit against GNR Partnership making allegations mainly that he was forced to sign document giving up his partnership interest, he was strung out when he signed and no lawyer was present on his behalf when he signed.
September 24, 1993 - Adler settled out of court on with GNR Partnership paying Adler $2.3 Million, $150,000 from Alan Niven and $50,000 from Doug Goldstein. Parts of the court case with Axl testifying can be found on YouTube.
Back to 1991
September 9, 1991 - Izzy resigns from the partnership just 8 days before Use Your Illusions albums are released. I believe he was scared of litigation or upcoming litigation surrounding the riots in St. Louis among other reasons/sobriety/not wanting to tour stadiums etc.
September 10, 1991 - A new or amended General Partnership agreement is established, from this date on, profit splits were not equal. Management decisions were made by Axl and Slash, if they could not agree, Duff would be the tie breaker.
- The current partners (Axl/Slash/Duff) divided Net Merchandise Profits, all net NEW record profits (Illusions LP's, Spaghetti, Live Era) and Net Touring Profits by this split: 36 1/3% to Axl: 33 1/3% to Slash: 30 1/3% to Duff.
- The document states "Such division will commence with the date hereof with respect to Net New Record Profits and shall commence with November 1, 1992 with respect to Net Merchandise Profits, Net Touring Profits, and Net Miscellaneous Profits." This document was signed on November 15, 1992 by Slash...November 21, 1992 by Duff. Axl signed it, but is not dated next to his name. The agreement although signed in November 1992 states the "effective date" as September 10, 1991. Its almost an agreement that was made and kinda back dated.
- The agreement also stipulates Old Record Profits are to be split 20% each member (Axl/Slash/Duff/Izzy/Adler)
- Lastly the agreement states that if any member leaves they would be considered a "Terminated Member" only Axl/Slash/Duff are left as members at this point, and no matter what scenario happens, Axl has the right to use the Group Name "Guns N Roses" exclusively in the future. GNR were on a 6 week break from the tour when this agreement was signed by Slash and Duff. 10/6/92 - Seattle, WA with next show 11/25/92 in Venezuela. So the need to sign this otherwise Axl won't go on stage is a stretch, because it wasn't a show night or week. Now I am sure if they didn't sign, the rest of the tour would've been cancelled, so that myth is a stretched truth in reality, not false but not as dire as Slash/Duff made it seem. I always thought it was they signed it the day of a show/day before a show to prevent a riot. If GNR didn't show up to Venezuela a riot probably would've ensued, but who knows
August 31, 1995 - Axl sent written notice to Slash and Duff informing them he was going to withdraw from the partnership effective December 30, 1995 and was going to form a new group using the name "Guns N' Roses"
December 31, 1995 - Slash and Duff are the only remaining members of Original GNR partnership. Axl left the partnership, created a new one and took GNR name with him and did not include Slash or Duff in his new band. At this point, Slash and Duff legally were not able to perform under the name Guns N' Roses even though Slash/Duff still remain the only members of Original GNR and own and control all Original GNR partnership assets.
Oct 31, 1996 - Axl sends his infamous fax to MTV stating Slash will not be musically involved in any new GNR endeavor and has for the most part not been since April 1994 other than a 2 week period with Zakk Wylde in late fall of 1995. Axl goes on to state "Slash has been "OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY" outside of the Guns N' Roses Partnership since December 31, 1995." From the documents I am looking at, Axl actually left GNR, not Slash and Duff like has been said. I guess Duff and Matt were employees of Axl's new GNR in 1996-1997 until they quit as they admitted to.
So why all this? Well lots of things went down, Izzy voluntarily walked away, I would assume he still gets and has always gotten his publishing and songwriting royalties from UYI, but he might have given that up with the resignation? I am not sure. Risk/Reward...Izzy didn't want the litigation risk and Axl risks, and he left, therefore should not be rewarded on an equal/semi equal basis that Slash and Duff are because they toured for 3 years, made the now famous music videos, put in the effort to brand the GNR name for years after Izzy left. Not only that, Slash has kept the GNR name in the limelight with Guitar Hero, his non stop touring of his solo projects, and all his media appearances over the last 25+ years. Axl kept the name going as well with his touring. Izzy wrote GREAT songs/contributions, but he let Slash and Duff do the heavy lifting from Sept 1991 till present. I would hope they offered Izzy a nice payday for the reunion, but in reality, the reunion is Axl and Slash, the casual fan doesn't know Duff/Izzy/insert drummer name here...lets be honest. If I were Slash that went thru what he did all those years, plus getting hammered in the press for the GNR breakup, and having to answer non stop questions about it, while Izzy was in isolation for 20+ years dodging all the flack, I would probably not want to "split the loot" evenly either at that point.
For a deeper dive:
https://www.a-4-d.com/t3745-1992-10-dd-guns-n-roses-partnership-contract-memorandum-of-agreement
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/slash-quits-guns-n-roses/
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goin to beacon theater NYC show. Any idea set times this tour?
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Just now, Tom2112 said:
Jaysis you've missed the point entirely.
Nah I didn't. I see its a fun exercise, I get it completely, I even voted. But being on these forums since 2003/2004, for all that remember being here before they made everyone make usernames around 2005ish. And people are wishing Axl would do another chat or a member would look here to get the pulse of what the fan base wants. Yes this is a fun and interesting thing, but it just proves to GNR that what this forum wants is not what they should listen to. Kinda puts the non stop droning of complaints into perspective
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13 minutes ago, El Guapo said:
Relax, dude.
im very relaxed, but am I wrong?
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I get the intention that this is a fun idea, but the responses behind this poll are EXACTLY why anyone related to the GNR camp doesn't take what is said on these forums seriously. Like it, hate it, sick of hearing it. Sweet Child O Mine will never ever leave a GNR live set, if it was left out, the majority of attendees would be pissed and for good reason. The fact that is it at 17% vote, 3 places away from the chopping block, to be cut just shows how removed the forum members are from the general public wants/perception.
Go look on Youtube or Spotify, SCOM has 1.3 BILLION and 1.1 BILLION view/listens respectively. On Spotify the next highest is Jungle at 723 million, 400 million less than SCOM. Paradise City is 690m on Spotify. In comparison, You Could Be Mine has 127m spins and Civil War has 139m spins on Spotify. So SCOM is literally listened to 10x those songs. The only thing that beats out SCOM is the November Rain video on YouTube with 1.8 Billion views, its a great song but also legendary video.
If SCOM/PC/JUNGLE get eliminated and anyone in GNR saw it, they would die laughing at how ridiculous the wants of a few hundred members on a forum are vs the MILLIONS of actual paying concert goers and general listening public on the various platforms.
Numbers dont lie
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On 2/18/2022 at 3:20 PM, HWolllert said:
I like the performance of Sailing very much. It's something special.
This is one of his best vocal moments IMO. I wish there was a better recording of it out there somewhere. Someone tried to make a beginning and do some audio enhancements to the video, but I think its better in its original form. If we had a pro-shot video, I think it would go viral for how insanely awesome it is.
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Just now, WildStar said:
Fair play @Liva a very well made video with some epic clips. I've always loved Free Falling from MTV Awards and Salling was nice. Ending with the ultimate performance at Freddie Tribute was top notch ✌
I felt it was only right to end with PC, just like every GNR show
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MODS - if this video or link is a violation of anything, please delete. Dont want to stir up any trouble, just trying to bring some positivity
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Rocket Queen St Louis was in there was in there for the outfit and the sheer fact that he jumped into the crowd. Its 30 years ago, everyone is over the riot. Have fun, laugh with it, be impressed by it. If you dont like it, dont watch. If you have questions as to why certain clips are in there, make you own video.
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So what started as a happy bday joke to Axl on my IG stories, posting a 1989 clip, a 2006 clip and a 2018 clip, kinda became something bigger. Had people asking me about more clips etc, so I ended up making a full 36 min YouTube video, kinda threw it together, I am no pro at video editing or anything like that, an iMovie special. Its has a lot of guest appearances and also just good vocal moments throughout the years. Sure there are clips im missing, sure the video quality could be better in spots, yes I am aware that there is probably a better vocal night on the same leg that I should've used. Now that we got past all the negative. Lets enjoy Axl Rose ripping some awesome vocals from 1989 to 2018. I kinda wish I put some 2021 shows in there, but the video is done and delivered, next time.
If you plan on commenting that he sounds like Mickey, or terrible, or whatever negative comment you can come up with, please redirect that to the many other threads that have discussed that. This is more a celebration on what an absolute monster he is, and can still be when he wants. LETS KEEP IT POSITIVE! ENJOY IT...anddddd Go!
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wonder if anyone knows what this means. On Spotify below the song ABSURD is says "2021 Guns N' Roses, under exclusive license to Geffen Records"
ChiDem says "2008 Geffen Recods"
AFD Super Deluxe says "2018 UMG Recordings, Inc." and "A Geffen Records Release: This Compilation 2018 UMG Recordings, Inc."
The Spaghetti Incident says "1993 Geffen Records"
Wonder what that means on who has control over the music and future releases. Did GNR become its own label under Geffen? Anyone with industry knowledge know what this means, if anything
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to recap. go see them live, you will enjoy it
if you plan to get all your enjoyment off YouTube, you will be disappointed.
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I was at last nights show and after seeing the YouTube clips of the previous 2 shows and also knowing he is rough at the beginning of tours. I can say I was pleasantly surprised with how he sounded. He sometimes wouldn't sing a line, but overall, in person, he still can be pretty powerful. When you are at the live show, there is so much sound being pushed at you and the bass and everything really fills everything out...all in all, I thought he sounded great. The videos I took on my phone that I watched today, he doesn't sound that good on, there is a lack of capture or maybe perception between being there live and sitting at a computer with possibly not the best stereo system or listening from an iPhone. With the low end of the band, the treble comes thru on the phone and YouTube, and and mistake Axl makes gets amplified. I think he still has it in him, he can't do it for 2.5 hours a night for an entire tour, but I think if you told him to sing old school Axl style for 1 hour knowing he would have weeks or time to recover, he could do it. He kinda did it with AC/DC. I guess to throw my resume behind my review. Shows I've attended
Boston 2002
NYC Hammerstein shows 2006 (all 4 of them)
11/5/2006 - East Rutherford. NJ
11/10/2006 - MSG, NYC
11/17/2011 - East Rutherford, NJ
2/15/2012 - The Ritz Webster Hall
4/8/16 - Las Vegas - 1st night of reunion
7/23/2016 - East Rutherford - Metlife
7/24/2016 - East Rutherford - Metlife
10/15/2017 - MSG
10/16/2017 - MSG
8/5/2021 - East Rutherford - Metlife
Ive seen some stuff I guess you can say.
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Slash's blues album set for May; single out now. SERPENT festival announced
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like the punk covers album but blues...call it...The Blues Incident