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10 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

I'm going to say the same thing I've been saying for years - Axl's vocals that are low in the mix during the "if we ever find it's true..." part were Axl's original vocals from circa 1999 - he layered the higher part over it circa-2002

At Rio 2001 he didn't sing the "I'm free of all the chains" part high like that, which is probably how he originally recorded it

The orginal vocal tracks are all the same, the vocal layers are what is new. Like with the song CD, on the first leak, it was only his low voice during most of the song, then he added a higher vocal track layer over it.   That is probably what you are getting at. 

Just now, colonizedmind said:

Will it could be from 2000 or 2001 as he was there from 2000...There's bound to be multiple 100s of versions even

of the same tracks, as Axl struggle with labels, decisions and band members coming and going ! 
It's a hot mess that i'd love to pour over the control board, isolated and listened to it all ! 
How many producers turned in/ worked on this album again? 
5, 6, 7 ? 

Exactly, just listen to the 2006 TWAT versions we have , we have like 3 plus the album version, (not couonting the BH less ones from 99).

And just listen to the little guitar riffs they added here and there  as the versions get closer to the album version.

Even CD the song, the first leak is missing all those BBF  guitar fills.

1 minute ago, AtariLegend said:

No idea if it's real or not, could be.

Still though to think 10 1/2 years after the first Madagascar leak there's still more. Honestly unless it's the 2002 version or 1999 version (or earlier) it's not that interesting to me. I say that, because it's really not that dramatically different. No way to tell if it's real or not (meaning fan mix) and even so it's just not that dramatically different.

i agree I only care about the 2002 and earlier stuff. Nothing after BH left, I dont wnat to hear Ron ruin the songs.

I would be curious to hear the album Axl turned in and got rejected in like 1999.  But I dont think any of those had BH.

I thought Axl changed the title out of respect to Elton John because of his song thats why they call it the blues.

1 minute ago, username said:

From what I've heard he actually turned it in and it got rejected. I want to know more about that record though. Basically I want that record. 

A few years back Bruce Springsteen released The Ties That Bind. A The River boxset containing among other things the single-disc version of the album Bruce initially rejected himself because it wasn't what he wanted it to be yet. I want a similar thing for Chinese Democracy. 

That was in 1999 not 2001/2002

the album that got rejected were the tracks that sounded like the TWAT and IRS 99 leaks

2 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

My thoughts I already posted on another forum:

Ok, I gave another listen to that. Still can't understand how you guys like it better than any other versions we had. Buckethead's single chord wah rhythm is as dull as Slash's powerchord in the 2017 live rendition. And Paul Tobias' main riff is buried in the center channel mix.

IMO, there's absolutely no Robin in this version. And the drums reminded me of Josh Freese's tone in the other 1999 leaks.

That's why I think this could be from 2000. By that time the producer was Roy Thomas Baker indeed.

It could be Robinless since when Robin left the first time and BH joined, BH redid all Robins parts, and Axl erased Robins parts.

So there are versions of these CD songs without Robin.  Like I said on the other forum, the lack of guitars make this version not as good as the others but the mix on this is way better than the album version.

4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Sounds like a fan fake to me but I could be wrong. I only listened on my phone but it sounds like a fan remix of the Rock Band files. Seems like the same studio vocals to me, just slightly manipulated so they sound different enough. New guitar work is probably whomever made the remix. 

Again, I could be wrong. My guesses are just from one low volume listen to through a cell phone. 

the only thing against that theory is the solo in the middle with the media parts, those media clips were not in the rock band game, and the mix with that and the guitar solo levels are different, no way to get that on a fan edit.  The levels are totally different. And the media clips on this track seem much cleaner than any of the other mixes. 

Just now, Ifdworld said:

you re right, just heard the original again, same track dif mix. but the vocals sound much cleaner though

yeah this new leak its not as touched up and less processed.  

1 minute ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Agree. I've yet to hear any CD demo that I prefer over the final version.  The exception might be Riad but even then, I love the album version just as much.  

You like the CITR CD version over the demo with Brian May?

Just now, Wagszilla said:

Time for everyone to start sharing. 

This version rocks. 

yeah i really want to hear the 2001 version of the blues and chinese democracy (the song).

1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

I still think the final versions a lot better. I miss the guitar leads in this. Still, cool to have!

maybe evader can add them in on a remix

5 minutes ago, Ifdworld said:

the vocals are different from the take we have on cd for sure. i think this version sounds more organic and less pro tooly. i think this one with good guitars could've been the way to go... just needs a lil work on that area.

The vocals are the same, like I said in the CD version they just cleaned them up via pro tools and also adjusted the pitch.

Just now, zombux said:

yup, reminds the Axl's Advance Copy, Mixes with Q-Sound and similar stuff. 

Exactly.

1 minute ago, zombux said:

yes, this is more like a work-in-progress version, which in fact this really is. probably a good example of why ChiDem wasn't released in 2001 - because the songs sounded "unfinished" in some way. maybe.

Its a rough cut like those UYI rough cuts that are pretty close to what the album version was like with just more over polish and masterting.

Just now, colonizedmind said:

Ya...Axl plays acoustic on this...
Also, no chance this is fanmade with the help of the Rock Band multis? It sounds pretty darn cool, actually makes Maddy a better track, for me !
 

Zero chance its fan made, since the rock band multis did not have the media clips in them and they are way higher in this mix.  

Just now, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Or Paul Tobias?

Yeah its either way. I was thinking Paul at first but on another forum, someone guessed its probably Axl

5 minutes ago, invisible_rose said:

Yeah, Axl definitely re-recorded the vocals for Maddy. Not sure when Axl recorded them but these aren't the same vocals as the early leaks. I remember some guy posting saying he heard this version playing in LA somewhere before the track leaked. Those days were awesome.

I really like the newer vocals, but as a whole the raw original leaks were miles ahead of the finished versions. Especially 'The Blues'. The album version was terrible by comparison. 

its the same vocals, the pitch was just adjusted. 

The rythem guitar is awful on this, is that Axl ?

2 hours ago, Sosso said:

It's amazing that the opinion about Robin has changed that much over the years. Unfortunately not until he left the band

 

Its because they saw what an awful guitar player in GNR really sounds like in DJ.

Robin was a great guitar player for the industrial type music. He would sometimes bend the classic slash parts notes too bunch and that is what people took issues with.

If he wanted to he could have played it pretty much like slash but he always put his on spin on the songs.

2 hours ago, Nytunz said:

Still U2 sucks

They were great until after the All That You Can't Leave Behind album.

Buckethead

/end thread

Typical GNR fans, they whine about them not adding songs for a  year, bitch about TWAT and Madgascar not being played, they play both and people still are not happy

odds they play free fallin or some tom petty song

19 hours ago, Grayfox said:

Well personally I've seen the live show this year and I had a good time. I agree songs don't sound the way they use to and I don't expect them to. I also think the setlist needs to be reworked to highlight his strengths properly. I also seen AC/DC with Axl and for the most part he did the songs justice. But as much as it pains me to say it.. he tends to do better on covers instead of most of his own material. But as I said that's just my opinion. It's also my opinion no one will sing a Tom Petty song better than the man himself. But it is nice to honor a true icon. 

The problem is he sings AC DC songs like shit when he covers them in GNR.  When he sang with AC DC he sounded much better because he gave a shit.

But take black hole sun for example,Axl sounds awful on it.

On 10/4/2017 at 9:46 PM, Grayfox said:

Axl could do Zombie Zoo justice. My opinion at least.

Axl cant even do Gnr songs justice, not sure how he can do a cover justice.

If he is going to add a Petty song to the rotation for tribute, just rotate the song each night.