Intercourse

I don't get why they rolled this out,  half the time it sounds like a rock band falling down a giant stairs while playing at full tilt.. then the cinematic bit in to change the mood. Lyrically its a low point for Axl, fuck all melody, just shouting. 

This band could always hard wire gorgeous melody to white hot rage and that is what made them unique, I wish I would get them into a studio and keep peeling back all the layers in this new music until we found those two keystones and then just lightly build back up just enough until you've got your song.

Slash has become fond of being a shredder (sober and pushing himself I guess) and Axl retains his love of bells and whistles, neither man seems aware of what their magic was. 

has anyone got some cover versions for Garageband.? 

I'd like to give this a rip.

Slash doesn't even want to talk about his days in VR now, says he'd rather forget the whole thing.

With another $100M in the bank he can stick with Myles and enjoy himself as top dog rather than have to play democratic with the other VR guys.

With Cornell gone I don't know of anyone I'd be bothered with in VR, although I really like the singer in Walking Papers. 

Experimenting doesn't mean not being the same band anymore, it means just what it says.. experimenting.

Nobody wants Slash to play like anybody else; but lo and behold in 2004 he was able to reclaim his place with his work on Contraband, it was still RNR most definitely not grunge yet there wasn't a cowboy hat or saloon bar piano rock lick in sight. It was modern rock. 

I would give full props to Axl if what he really wanted was Slash to update and spread out his scope of sounds on guitar but it seems to me that the period after UYI saw a lead singer paralyzed with his own sense of importance as a composer and the perception of GNR in modern culture at the time.   

You see it all the time; U2 had it after Rattle and Hum, Conor McGregor has it now, you go from incredible success story from humble beginnings to a bloated, ridiculous thousand pound gorilla in the room. Now you've all the money, resources, expectations and derision on your head pushing you to come back even bigger again and it stifles the unaffected creativity that made you what you have become.

U2 had a hell of a time getting Acthung Baby done and the change in sound was hurting some members until "One" was written and the laggards  in the band "got it" and harmony returned. 

If GNR had managed to write one song which galvanized them they could have survived if Axl's vision had somehow been captured. I don't think he had a vision, just a mish mash of soundscapes he was interested in creating but with no coherence to them. Personally I don't believe any normal band could survive the methods Axl adopted to find their new sound and the levels of attrition in subsequent lineups more than confirms that. Once Duff left I knew he had blown it as the last  man who did't work for him was gone, along with a lot of objectivity. 

I still think with the right management and producers they could have done something amazing for its time.

Take CD, Walking Papers, Contraband and a bunch of dark electronic textures... all output from each of the main guys throw in a blender and I bet some incredible songs would have come out.

Nobody seemed to have the power to bring each man to a place in the middle, a neutral ground where they could lay their best work down and get it built upon rather than slated by each other.

No Irish date... bummer.

Not a Myles fan either, like many I'd take him if he stayed out of his nasal high register.... still as a band they are well worth the money to see... 

€136K a month for food, electricity, school and toilet paper???

That is obscene.

Check out Bill Burr's rant about Gold Digging Whores, he says it best.

I'm so bored with them now that a break up while trying to record a new album would at least prove to me there is some musical passion left underneath all those good business moves.

I'd love to see CD re-imagined with Slash & Duff along with a new album to follow. I think Slash & Duff would happily add tracks to Axl's own compositions and see it released as GNR...if it brings in another few million for each of them.

Personally I think Slash has found his creative groove with Myles and Co. and won't loose sleep over a GNR album that he's not a leading composer on. 

Duff will take what he can get and rightly so. I love his Walking Papers project but it won't be paying the kind of bills his lifestyle probably generates. 

On 11/9/2017 at 8:31 AM, Towelie said:

I always felt like something was a bit "off" with this album, but I've been re-evaluating it lately, and there's some quality shit on there. What baffles me is how songs like Messages and Gas And A Dollar Laugh never made the main album tracklist, when dross like Just Sixteen and She Mine did.

I think if VR had put the album out with this tracklist (below), it would've given Contraband a serious run for its money. I have removed She Mine, Get Out The Door, Just Sixteen, Pills Demons Etc and Gravedancer (which sounds like a less inspired rip-off of Fall To Pieces) and replaced them with some of the superior outtakes.

1. Let It Roll
2. Gas And A Dollar Laugh
3. She Drives Quick Machines
4. The Last Fight
5. American Man
6. Mary Mary
7. Messages
8. For A Brother
9. Spay
10. Can't Get It Out Of My Head
11. Pyscho Killer
12. Don't Drop That Dime

An "off" album indeed, real hints of magic but overshadowed by some tragic omissions like Messages and Gas And A Dollar Laugh along with real quality tunes bumped down the list for some pretty weak, dialed in vocal driven tunes like American

Man.

Riff-tastic anyway

You only realize what a guitar icon is when you actually hear Slash play live for the first time...holy fuck his presence is immense and the level of self assured delivery is unreal. 

I never really saw that on screen just live.

AncientEvil is spot on about Slash, more of a shredder than he used to be, a bit more heavy mental around the edges than I would like, but still amazing and yes..musicians do peak (creatively at least) and hardly ever repeat their greatest achievements. 

Musicians get sober and get old and some of the black magic that came with their youth, exuberance for the job and altered state is lost. Its like going to night clubs in your late 30's, you're hardly going to dance like you did aged 22 (unless you scored some great Class A)  

19 hours ago, Slosh13 said:

Very hard. 

I don't get along with members of my family and I find it difficult to forgive for events that happened several years ago. I got to maintain my self-respect.

Although I'm not privy to the intricate details, it's clear that the Axl and Steven relationship is going to be difficult to mend based on quotes from Axl in the past.

The other day Fernando wrote that he doesn't see Marc Canter the way members here do.

Relationships, man, difficult to maintain. So yeah, it's very hard when you're in the inside.

 

It really isn't hard. This is big business not family - nobody believes that juvenile horseshit for one minute. Stephen signs a contract to be a good boy, he gets his AFD set and he gets off the stool.

If he fucks up, once even, he's on the plane home. 

Very simple.

Axl doesn't have to interact with him at all. 

Despite all he is and has been through, Stephen was and continues to be a great drummer whose style is much appreciated by those in the know and actually has a huge place in what made AFD sound great. 

I believe that for history and humanity's sake and actually even bigger $$$$$, that the old line up should play their full body of work together in public again.

They can all hate on each other privately if they wish, but if they wanted to do it professionally it doesn't have to be that convoluted.

Anyway, look at how Axl's two decades of venom against Slash vanished like a burning hankie when they got sorted. No sense that can't be repeated with Stephen.

God knows I tried with Myles but his high octane nasal whine hurts my ears.

Lovely fella and all, just can't be dealing with the voice. Stuck on Year of the Tiger and had to turn it off as soon as the vocal started.

WP are the best band out there right now. Really delighted you guys like it. The drummer is fucking amazing, he has astonishing groove.

Best band to come from the GNR alumni by a country mile.

They have so little to loose by releasing material now, the world is not waiting with bated breath anymore. 

Surely, Slash & Duff must be at least asking Axl about doing something.

I'd like to see a double album with Axl's best from the last 20 years overdubbed by Slash and Duff with another album of tunes this lineup have created.

Walking Papers are great - one of Duff's best bets to date

On 9/10/2017 at 4:05 AM, StrangerInThisTown said:

What I know is there's some real judgmental assholes around here..what kind of troglodyte level reply is that? I have to literally copy what I responded to this garbage earlier - in the history of GNR, Steven never fucked up a show. Not even when he was on heroin and coke on the AfD tour. Not once. You are literally talking out your ass with this. But not sure repeating this is any useful since you just straight up ignored that earlier.

Just like the people who assumed this tour would explode within days, but those actually had a basis for the argument unlike what you claim because of Axl's and Slashs spoiled relationship. You don't even have any show you can refer to to support your dumb assumption. Steven never even missed a show, apart from when he broke his hand. Which had nothing to do with drugs. But people choose to ignore this because it fits their one dimensional viewing perspective - so great.

Steven would take playing in GNR over unlimited model pussy and a never ending supply of coke, yes he will fuck up what he's been waiting for for 26 years within days, after never having done it before - LOL. Incredible logic.

And incredible posts on this forum.

SITT raises a brilliant point in this post - Stephen never dropped a gig..whereas Mr. Rose?? 

Its a bit rich hammering Stephen when he had nothing to do with 25 years of lost opportunities in GNR. 

Stephen was travelling to the GNR gigs with his entire family, that tells me he is now serious about being straight.

I cannot understand why people would actively NOT want the original AFD band to reunite. 

What's wrong with the genuine article?

I think the GNR "Big 3" missed their chance to prove everybody wrong and get best remembered members of "original band" (1986 - 1993) on the road, even for a few weeks.

Sure Stephen and Izzy were a risk, but that is part of the rock n roll folklore of the band  that millions of us were drawn to in our youth and would have been a huge draw for the audience, even bigger than we have now.

I for one would have gone just to watch this insanely fragile group of old rockers to see can they play the sound track of my life again.

Matt would have been as steady as Slash or Duff anyway so no problem there. Robin could be on stage as 3rd guitar player, Izzy was used to him anyway.

So...what's the worst thing that could have happened?

Stephen melts down and Izzy goes missing - Matt finishes the tour and Robin steps forward from 3rd guitarist spot to 2nd. 

No fucking drama.

The thing is, I bet Stephen would have stayed straight, I think he had it in him...which means him, Matt and Izzy would need to be paid millions between them if they played for the entire tour. 

Why do that when you can just be corporate minded and bring in session guys to pad out the sound while 3 of you make insane amounts of money without any risk? 

Their logic is flawless but the decision is souless and for some dumb reason I had hoped they lived somewhere beyond that.

Wow, the old Axlamic Fundamentalists are still going!

It's hilarious to watch them try to defend Axl from quotes attributable to people who were there.

Like most high functioning music stars, sportsmen, politicians etc. they are not nice people in their arena of brilliance - and that's a big part of why they got there. 

Its show business after all.

you need to calm down. I said there was word, not some deposition in the High Court

On 6/28/2017 at 1:38 AM, ludurigan said:

where did you hear/read that?

https://www.alternativenation.net/slash-duff-mckagan-lobbied-for-axl-rose-to-bring-back-ex-guns-n-roses-member/

3 hours ago, ohmygod said:

I find it hilarious that people get so appalled by the fact that Duff and Slash rejoined GNR due to the vacancies of Tommy and BBF.

I kinda think it really hurts the egos of the fans of the old band that hated the post 94 band and refused to recognize it as GNR... but now you have Duff and Slash on stage with the likes of Frank playing CD songs... and classic fans heads are spinning!

That's kind of bullshit really... why would your ego be hurt?

Some fans of the old band just want the old band back together; and for a little while thought it may happen.

There is not much  wrong with wanting the original builders of GNR's massive legacy  to be included in today's story for the band, after all there are millions of dollars being made today on the songs, mythology and memories they helped create. That said, if those fans end up wishing harm to Frank etc would be ethically wrong, those dudes are just doing what any jobbing musician would do - take the check and feed the kids.

You seem to enjoy the idea of people feeling upset over this, meaning you're as emotionally invested as the people you are laughing at otherwise you just wouldn't give a shit one way or the other.