Intercourse

Izzy said he'd be up for a reunion, so my guess is that he'll take part in some respect.

He's been on the road with each of the guys in some form over the last decade so he knows what he'll get.

How about something like this?:

First 1:20 of the song is Keith Richards, then from 1:20 is Mick Taylor. Solo sounds nothing like the album version.

Well the Stones for me would be highly regarded for their interweaving guitar lines and cool tunings rather than guitar solos per say. I can't honestly recall an iconic solo from the Stones (happy to be reminded/corrected) so to me, the comparison doesn't apply.

That said, I love when rhythm & blues bands mess with their tunes, however their genre was built around jamming; its still very much a part of the live experience and most of the tunes are built from massive jams anyway (read about how Cream wrote their music with Eric Clapton) so its ok.

But if you take bands where they have a heavy hitting guitar personality, say Pantera for example..say they reunited with Zakk Wilde and he started doing his own solo for "Walk" or "Cemetery Gates" on the tours a lot of fans would be really pissed as they come to the gigs to hear the solos live as much as see the band.

I never minded extended jams of Nighttrain by Slash because he recognises the love for the original solo and always keeps it in there, even with 12 minutes of noodling stuck in around it. In fact, Slash himself used to fuck with solos early in his career frequently going way off track in AFD songs on stage but he stopped doing it. I'm willing to bet its because he realised he was diluting the fan experience and his impact in the live arena.

How funny it would be if NuGNR reunited and not OldGNR? Im pretty sure a lot of people would be pissed

I wouldnt, though. Im fine with anything. OldGNR reunion, NuGNR reunion, new album. Anything exciting. Please.

I think a lot of people would be completely apathetic not pissed.

That line up just blew by people much like all the proceeding ones.

He plays Slash for a mug but his bluff was called.

Why do people say that a guitarist 'messes up' a solo when he plays it his own way?

Like, if Joe Perry did a Zeppelin cover and played a solo differently, is it because he lacks the ability to play it and is 'butchering' the solo, or just doing his own take?

When Mick Taylor was in the Stones he often played the songs EXTREMELY different from the studio version but I don't think anyone would question his ability with the guitar.

Using this logic would say that Brian Johnson should go off and sing his "own versions" of classic AC/DC songs recorded by Bonn Scott, just 'cause he can.

To me, only the original composer has the right to wander off track with a composition, its theirs to fuck with after all but within reason.

I have no problem with musicians doing completely different versions of songs, in fact I really like that idea when its done well.

Having worked as a professional musician and met lots of guitar players, lots of times they do their "own version of a solo" because they are too lazy, arrogant or incompetent to deliver the original as the fans want it.

In large gigs where classic songs are being played, the crowd can be as much up for the solo as the vocal, they are as big a part of the DNA as the vocal, fuck with that and you are denying a huge portion of the crowd what they came for. Its not good business, especially if you're the third guitarist removed from the original guy that wrote the tune you're playing.

seems weird that people feel Fortus could be in on something when he was recently talking about being unable to work directly with Slash out of respect for Axl.

that boy is twisting in the wind just like the rest of them.

Richard is a session guitar player that was hired by Axl 13 years ago. Axl is his boss, if there was some kind of reconciliation between Axl and Slash, Fortus will probably love to work with Slash.

It's nothing personal, Richard seems to have a ton of respect for Slash. But he wants to keep his job, so why piss off your boss.

You've picked me up wrong, what I was pointing to is that Richard was talking like the beef was still on and we know now that Axl & Slash had mended fences. This means that Fortus is not much further ahead of us in terms of knowing what's going on.

I'm sure he'll be much happier playing in a GNR with Slash & Duff, if that's to happen as the check is going to get an extra zero on it for every stadium gig.

Nevermind all that. Did you unlike a post of mine after giving it a like? how dare you sir.

I just meant to press quote..nothing personal my good man!

Hate to break it to you all but the 99% don't want either guy back.

Why do you think this is breaking news to anyone?

The thread just seems pointless for the very fact I pointed out. Its like having a thread on magic carpets, everybody agreeing they would be great but ultimately its never going to happen. So why bother.

I am a huge Slash fan.. I have every album/DVD he has released since leaving Guns and then some.. I never miss a tour.. I just agree that this project has run it's course and for me it is just Myles voice.. I have been sticking up for the guy the whole time on the forums and in the real world. I had the Roxy show in my car and my buddy that goes to all the shows with me just blurted out "I can't stand Myles Kennedy, he sounds like a whiny little bitch.. I just like to hear Slash rip". That may have been a bit harsh but I know other Guns fans that I tried to show Slash's solo stuff and they couldn't take his voice either. I am just being honest with myself now.. I don't like it either.. I mean he sounds good on some songs.. I think he sounds great on songs like Back From Cali, Bent To Fly and Anastasia but he just cannot sustain it for an entire album. I liked World On Fire and Listened to it for a month straight but it wasn't because of Myles. I'm done.. I will listen to the next one online before buying it and most likely just buy one or two songs on Itunes,

I'm in the same boat, if I was managing the Conspirators I'd issue a mandate to Myles to only write vocals in his low register - he's great down there but up high he sounds like a wasp stuck in a bottle.

Axl was mad cause he lost a contact and got punched.

LOL what did he expect to happen when he jumps into the crowd and attacks a concert-goer? Were they supposed to part and roll out a red carpet?

I think he may have actually expected that!

If Axl & Slash are talking then the lure of the fantastic money, global interest and a chance to reclaim their seats at the head table of legendary elder-statesman bands must be unbearable to look away from.

This is their chance to get back to Metallica land in terms of scale, buzz etc.

Sure everybody is wary, butt hurt, older, fatter, wiser, more set in their ways, more tired and with loads more baggage... BUT what were Slash & Axl ever in this game for? To be as big as possible. On that matter they both agreed.

Here is their chance.

There is no bigger chance coming for these guys.

Its try to grasp this nettle and mount the greatest comeback in rock history or leave Axl to tour an even more watered-down GNR and play to fans who want the old band back even more; while Slash does very well touring but making less and less of an impact as an current, relevant artist as each album cycle rolls around and his sales continue to decline.

So, they may stay friends and do fuck all but that comeback elephant will haunt their dreams...

Hate to break it to you all but the 99% don't want either guy back.

It ain't happening anyway.

This fucking with GNRs identity has been proven categorically as a bad idea.

- Get the old band back, tour, make a double album with all the vault material lying around form each player and go tour again.

- Axl then release a solo album and have whomever the fuck you want on it, including Bucket and Finch.

- Slash do likewise

- Everybody happy and winning

seems weird that people feel Fortus could be in on something when he was recently talking about being unable to work directly with Slash out of respect for Axl.

that boy is twisting in the wind just like the rest of them.

Richard is a session guitar player that was hired by Axl 13 years ago. Axl is his boss, if there was some kind of reconciliation between Axl and Slash, Fortus will probably love to work with Slash.

It's nothing personal, Richard seems to have a ton of respect for Slash. But he wants to keep his job, so why piss off your boss.

You've picked me up wrong, what I was pointing to is that Richard was talking like the beef was still on and we know now that Axl & Slash had mended fences. This means that Fortus is not much further ahead of us in terms of knowing what's going on.

I'm sure he'll be much happier playing in a GNR with Slash & Duff, if that's to happen as the check is going to get an extra zero on it for every stadium gig.

seems weird that people feel Fortus could be in on something when he was recently talking about being unable to work directly with Slash out of respect for Axl.

that boy is twisting in the wind just like the rest of them.

Axl should open the vault to Slash & Duff and let them work on his own personally written tunes.

Those boys work fast and that could deliver 5-6 tunes in a couple of months.

Slash and the old band have reams of recordings done with Izzy and Corey so there's a wealth of material to share.

Bono summed it up for me. I think Slash, Duff and Izzy/Gilby could do great stuff with those tunes. Just give them the drums and vocal tracks and leave them to it.

I actually didn't think I'd miss Slash until I heard CD. I just hate the guitars. Nobody was more annoyed and depressed by that than me. No old band bitterness, I just prefer the old GNR soundscapes, I think the songs themselves have the makings of great things.

What is it about the guitars you hate on CD? Too shreddy?

Its more than that for me. Slash's guitar work always seemed to me at least to talk back to Axl's vocals in GNR songs. His guitar lines are sung along to by fans as much as the vocals. His multi-tracking and layering is always exquisitely thought out and delivered. In those big epics Slash brought a cinematic quality to the songs that I cannot hear in CD. His odd-ball major minor run ups really change the sound of songs in an unexpected and exciting way.

CD sounds as it was made, by a bunch of talented strangers all competing for Axl's attention in too many guitar tracks. For me the whole thing sags and starts to sound like a dirge. Some of the solos I like..Shacklers, CITR are two I can think of, I like a bit of shred when shred is called for.

BUT I just do not get the swooning for the solo on TWAT, its a bunch of string bends and not a whole lot more...Slash would have brought a roller-coaster ride of great run ups and twists and turns that I just do not hear on CD. He would have talked back to Axl's vocal...there is no such connection between the guitar work and Axl in CD. Its understandable, the band were not really a band but a bunch of contractors building something, they had never toured or played live so they had never bedded in together to learn how to work as a musical unit. Its nobody's fault, but it is what it is.

I find myself trying to aurally try to ignore certain guitar tracks to just hear what the fuck is really going on in the song...trying to find its soul underneath the expensive layers of showing off. I found that too frustrating and exhausting so I've quit on CD.

If BBF and Buckethead were cars, they'd be tricked out 2015 Nissans in from some Japanese Car Lab but I don't want that. Give me a '68 jet black Dodge Charger any day, no gimmicks, no high-tech knobs, buttons and sounds, just a beautiful honest to God muscle car ...to me Slash is that equivalent.

I actually didn't think I'd miss Slash until I heard CD. I just hate the guitars. Nobody was more annoyed and depressed by that than me. No old band bitterness, I just prefer the old GNR soundscapes, I think the songs themselves have the makings of great things.

I'm a huge Stayley fan but never precious about things like this unless they shit on the legacy.

Looking forward to this, I doubt Duff will take part in a sub par farce.

Your views on the current Guns and Roses?

Everybody's family changes along the way, people get divorced, bands are like families and things change. I love the original Guns and Roses but be happy that Axl is still creating music and still pushing forward and trying to reinvent himself and I just wish people would have more of an open mind on that. Everything is still kinda the same but different, just like everything in the world. The band is a living breathing organism.

Prove it. Stop fucking whining about persecution and prove it.

Deliver.

For me its down to this:

- Time & experience has shown us that guys like Niven who stood up to and called out Axl can't be allowed into GNR.

- Whether people like it or not, Axl deeply values the care & friendship Beta has given him. Hiring her and her son as your managers may strike some as stunningly naive and dangerous for both parties involved but the band GNR continued much in the same way under their charge as it did under Goldstein and others so in context of dealing with Axl & GNR they appear as good as anybody else, if not better. This may only be true in the current form of GNR but not if the old band reunited. We will never know.

- To be fair to fans, Fernando lucked his way into the life he now leads and the job he does, that's not to say that he may now more than earn his stripes as a manager in terms of the amount of work he does to keep Axl the way Axl wants BUT he should expect his abilities & skills to be challenged and even mocked because of the extraordinary position he found himself in (a boy living in the world's most famous rock star's house) and how he has capitalised upon it. He didn't fight his way up through bars and clubs with the band or really serve any kind of apprenticeship in the industry. You'll find that most people who come up as he does encounter just as much shit from the rest of those stuck in the trenches.

Its sad to see people getting suspended over such a mostly meaningless encounter with this man but I do agree that manners cost nothing and a good forum should be just that, a place where all opinions are allowed and respected if expressed in a respectful manner.

I didn't know working at your chosen profession made you "an attention whore".

Fucking hell.

The bottom line is that GNR is a fucking shambles and probably always has been.

People around Axl are so used to it now, its normality to them.

The old guys were in deep despair with it, and here we are 25 years later with the same shit going on.

It was more fun when the band were young, drunk and crazy; not so much when they are old, tubby, grumpy, money hungry, ill, injured or out of breath.

This is like a series that has gone on much too long but I've watched every episode and just need to see how it ends. I'm long past giving a shit about the plot because all the good characters left years ago.

Fernando was affable, in much the same way I would be minding a whole bunch of other people's kids.

They are dumb and annoying but they need some looking after I suppose.

People in the public eye need to get real about the internet - every star gets abused on the web, hell every person who posts anything to the web gets abused - the most tear-jerking videos on youtube have comments submitted against them that are so vile it would make you question whether humanity even has a right to be allowed continue.

So using online hate as a reason to withdraw holds no water - Bono would have moved to a desert island by now if that was the case.

Nobody here feels entitled, but good business in show business means:

- Try to have a relationship with the fans, some of us have been here for a quarter of a century.

- Ensure the merc and other fan experiences, including the meet & greets and forums and the gigs themselves are of a quality that dignify the fans continued dedication of their time and money.

- Listen to criticism - use it as a tool to work out how to make things better.

- Do all of this because it is the right thing to do.

Disregard the hate and give thanks that there are millions of people who feel a wrath in their daily lives the likes of which you and most of us will never come close to experiencing.