Kira

Hilarious to watch the Axl Nutters defend this awful performance.

Funny how Axl always is "sick" for the first show of tours.

I'm just waiting for tonights performance with Bubbles to go down as one of the most inappropriate moments in the history of charity gigs ever.

I'd say all the f-bombs in you're crazy proved that they didn't care about being age appropriate.

I don't think I've seen anyone try to say it was even a good performance. Believing guys like Bumblefoot - that Axl, being only human, was ill? I mean, that's just ridiculous right? They MUST be lying.

Cold.....don't you ever get tired of all the excuses?

If somebody said before the show:

One singer will come on late, swear, sound terrible and blame it on being sick, and will forget lyrics to his own classic song.

And

One singer will tear it up. Sound awesome.

Axl or Eddie vedder?

Axl or Jack White?

Axl or Neil Young?

What would your guess be for all three of those???

I'm a diehard Axl fan since 1988.

Just getting tired of the story line the next day never being "Axl rose took stage and kicked ass" at these high profile events. the story is always something negative.

Call me a hater. I'm just a diehard fan who is ass that his favorite singer doesn't seem to really care that much anymore.

Co-signed

"Awesome to see GN'R do this show. Great cause.

Axl did the show with a strep throat.

I don't know how he does it!

/jarmo"

I don't know how jarmo spins like this and lives with himself. Fuck him.

At a charity gig of this nature, you have to show strength over adversity. It is what it is all about.

Strep throat and similar conditions can exist for years, and for a vocalist can represent a major challenge.

As a 2005 member, one would expect slightly more depth?

Well, due to my age, I'm all out of patience. Axl has been using the "sick" excuse for years. He used it on the Illusions tour for God's sake! The truth is he's a master of self-sabotage. He doesn't rehearse or prepare or respect his audience, but when he embarrasses himself, he won't own up to it.

I have no patience with people trying to whitewash this. I know better.

All based on hearsay

Or common sense....lol, sorry not trying to fight, but honestly I think Axl needs serious help, or nothing is ever going to change with him. I am sad for him.

"Awesome to see GN'R do this show. Great cause.

Axl did the show with a strep throat.

I don't know how he does it!

/jarmo"

I don't know how jarmo spins like this and lives with himself. Fuck him.

When I saw the "I don't know how he does it" part I started laughing. This guy is incredible

Because you are perfoming knowing that the results will be uncertain and the world is looking and analysing you.

Imagine being Axl and reading this thread after taking the decision to perform

Most people here are locked up in their bedrooms hidden away from the real pressures of life, and most of those (pressures) would not compare to this, to be honest.

Strongly disagree. A lot of us have jobs, mortgages, children etc. very real pressures. I'm sure being in the public eye is not easy, but his pressures do not trump those of the average person, we who do not have the benefit of his wealth I might add.

There is no reason Axl should not have been successful. He had many advantages to starting his own band, and he's squandered every one of them.

"Awesome to see GN'R do this show. Great cause.

Axl did the show with a strep throat.

I don't know how he does it!

/jarmo"

I don't know how jarmo spins like this and lives with himself. Fuck him.

At a charity gig of this nature, you have to show strength over adversity. It is what it is all about.

Strep throat and similar conditions can exist for years, and for a vocalist can represent a major challenge.

As a 2005 member, one would expect slightly more depth?

Well, due to my age, I'm all out of patience. Axl has been using the "sick" excuse for years. He used it on the Illusions tour for God's sake! The truth is he's a master of self-sabotage. He doesn't rehearse or prepare or respect his audience, but when he embarrasses himself, he won't own up to it.

I have no patience with people trying to whitewash this. I know better.

"Awesome to see GN'R do this show. Great cause.

Axl did the show with a strep throat.

I don't know how he does it!

/jarmo"

I don't know how jarmo spins like this and lives with himself. Fuck him.

What an amazing show yesterday, even with strep throat, Axl killed it. So awesome to watch Eddie Vedder perform! Great how it went down, as we were walking to stage, Neil's people asked to see if Eddie could perform a few songs; Axl's like, "For sure!"... what a great show, hats off to one of the best weekends I have had.

by fernando.

Where did you see this? This is a comical story if it is a direct quote. The real story probably sounds like this: "Neil's people frantically approached Eddie on the side of the stage, who was watching the show with his wife and two young daughters, and asked him if he could fill 10 minutes to give Axl time to go on-stage. Eddie was nice about it, although he had only planned on taking the stage with the collective group of musicians for the finale. He avoided all contact with Axl after Guns N' Roses' performance. Rose, embarrassed and unwilling to associate with the other artists, retreated to his hotel immediately following the show."

Bingo! What an embarrassment. How can you be late to a children's charity performance and be so unprepared for something that is going to be live steamed? Especially when you are trying to sell concert tickets right now? You've got nothing else to do but prepare, it's your job. A pro like Vedder takes the stage without warning and kills it, because he prepares.

Whatever mental issues Axl has the Lebeis's certainly aren't helping. This is sad.

I like the fact that Beta is also in the pool.

lol

Lol, nothing like hot tubbing' with hot girls and your pseudo mother.

Too bad he beat her so bad. Bet she looks back at her time with him and wants to vomit.

No need for that dude. If it's true it sucks, but none of us know what really happened there, don't add fuel to fire.

Plus she was at a show recently, so she's not that butthurt.

She was? When? Her husband filed a restraining order against her not too long ago. Kind of interesting.

Nirvana just bitched about things and cried about how depressing everything was. Guns (AFD) were more about "where's the party....where are the chicks".

Yeah and how was it any different than Girls, Girls, Girls by Crüe. Their style, personality, and story has all been done countless times. That is why AFD being important is absurd and downright puzzling.

No, if you lived during that era GnR were definitely different than the slew of bands at that time. Everybody wanted to be them. That record garnered fans from all sorts of different factions, they were not thought of as a "party" band. That was never the case.

I don't think it's a big deal that they did this. There are a lot of huge music stars that do private functions like these for huge sums of money.

So DJ can post the pics on Facebook and Bumblefoot can link to them, but they can't be posted here?

The reasoning behind the decision and the way it's going to be applied have been made pretty clear over the past few pages. I'm not going to spell it out for you again.

You don't have to. It will seem ridiculous to me no matter how many times it's spelled out. Just my opinion and I'm not complaining. You have the right to run the forum whatever way you want, and you can't please everybody.

I guess it would see ridiculous to you - you've never been on the receiving end of a letter from GN'R's legal team before.

You received a letter over this? I'm pretty disgusted. How crazy is it that Axl and management try and make things harder and harder for his dwindling fan base? Sorry, but it's bs. Not your fault.

There weren't any hipsters 20 years ago Miser. .

Oh yes there were. Sonic Youth. Lol

What you have to remember is that Kurt didn't just hate Axl, he hated GN'R in general and thought their music was crap. The Axl haters here will cling on to him disliking Axl and cheer Kurt, but he hated GN'R's music in general. He was one of these ironic hipster effeminate Political Correctness Nazi types who'd feel people like us--GN'R fans--were dumb meatheads.

Also, this interesting thing comes from "Come as You Are" by Michael Azzerad, page 214-215:

Impromptu scribblings aside, one remarkable aspect of "Teen Spirit" was that unlike many previous songs of it's type, it didn't blame the older generation for anything--it laid the blame at the feet of it's own audience. That implies a sense of responsibility that didn't quite fit the slacker stereotype. Although "Teen Spirit" was a bold and provocative dare, Kurt feels he crossed the line into condemnation. "I got caught up in pointing the finger at this generation," says Kurt. "The results of that aren't very positive at all. All it does is alienate people and make them feel the same feeling you get from an evil stepdad. It's like, 'You'd better do it right' or 'You'd better be more effective or I'm not gonna like you anymore.' I don't mean to do that because I know that throughout the eighties, my generation was fucking helpless. There was so much right wing power that there was almost nothing we could do.

'I know that I've probably conveyed this feeling of 'Kurt Cobain hates his audience because they're apathetic', which isn't the case at all. Within the last two years, I've noticed a consciousness that's why more positive, way more intelligent in the younger generation and the proof is in the stupid things like Sassy magazine and MTV in general. Whether you want to admit that or not, there is a positive consciousness and people are becoming more human. I've always been optimistic, but it's the little Johnny Rotten inside me that has to be a sarcastic asshole."

"Introducing that song, in the position we were in, I couldn't possibly say I was making fun or being sarcastic or being judgmental toward the youth-rock movement because I would have come across as instantly negative. I wanted to fool people at first. I wanted people to think that we were no different than Guns n' Roses. Because then that way they would listen to the music first, accept us, and maybe start listening to a few things that we had to say, after the fact, after we had the recognition. It was easier to operate the way."--Kurt Cobain

Hmm...

Kurt's punk cred was very important to him, but some of the bands he promoted we're horrible. Shonen Knife anyone? Ugh.

Bigger impact on music- Axl. Bigger loss between '93-2000-Axl (I know Kurt was dead but you can follow). Who woulda been bigger in 2012- Axl.

Neither of them....it's 2012! Lol

I've read that interview before.

The thing is Kurt made some really dumb snap judgments about GN'R. I'm not justifying the immature way Axl handled Kurt, but Kurt was in the wrong, too, imo, and he was showing a lot of ignorance.

I say this as a fan of both men.

Great musician and legend in his own right- but at the end of the day IMHO Kurt was a politically-correct fascist motivated to stifle any artistic expression that didn't jive with his own social view. I like several Nirvana songs and respect their place in rock history- but all in all- I would find being a "hardcore" Nirvana fan an incredibly suffocating experience.

Maybe someone can dig it up- but the incident he talks about where a fan is defending GN'R at one of their concerts is frightening and very revealing. As I remember it- Kurt basically asserts that Axl/GN'R have "forfeited" their right to free speech/free expression b/c he dislikes the content of their music (before back-tracking slightly when the kid starts scoring some points on him).

Anyway- I'll always side with Axl defending the likes of NWA, Body Count and hell Nirvana for that matter to have the right to express themselves as brutally and honestly as they please over Kurt's "utopian" view where seemingly every white male stays PC at all cost and should put on a dress, kiss his best friend and neuter himself as a penalty for 500 years of oppressing women or whatever- and if you don't do it you're some unsalvagable "meathead" or something. Fuck that shit.

Finally- in the balance of time- Kurt's critique of classic GN'R's "artistic merit" is even more laughable. First Ballot Hall of Famers and a Greatest Hits record that's a virtual "must have" (as well as AFD) for most teenagers to this very day. Swing and a miss...

Great post. What I always thought was interesting was back in the day, Cobain and many others liked to deride white rock bands for sexist thinking. Some valid points, but only if you apply it to everybody. Not one of them dare spoke up about rap music where sexism was concerned. Video hos are still alive and kicking in that genre today.

I think Kurt feeling the weight of carrying baggage of punk and liberal mentality basically made it necessary to hate on Axl. Yes there are important similarities between the two, and I think if Kurt saw how his own music led 20 years of its own wimpy corporate crap and the destruction of rock itself, then he'd second guess himself.

I think if he saw how dead music was today and knew of a red-headed up-and-comer from Indiana leading a band called GNR, he'd be more congenial. It's a sad circumstance, in retrospect, and shows how when you're dealing with the evil of ignorance, nobody wins (that is, unless you understand the factors contributing to it).

There are other important things: Kurt was an alpha male too. He knew touring with Gnr would mean subordinating himself in some way to Axl; answering his requests; inevitably called together for some collaboration. In Nirvana, it was Kurt then everyone else. Dave and Krist lacked self-respect and were basically doofuses, and I guarantee if Kurt was in a band similar to the one Axl was in with the original GNR (with a lot of egos), he'd do something similar to what Axl did, i.e. centralizing control, kicking people out, leaving, etc.

Forget what Kurt says, the only real reason he could hate Axl/Gnr (yet love Metallica, for example) is that he saw himself in Axl and knew that it was either interpret him as enemy or look like his little brother. It wasnt about it being 'corporate.'

Nor was it about 'homophobic, racist' shit. Kurt wrote in the insert to Incesticide that if "you are in any way against homosexuality, don't come to our shows, don't buy our records.' See, he was trying to distinguish himself from what Axl 'represented.' But really, hating on people with different worldviews than his own is just as discriminatory, close-minded, and imperialistic as anything Axl did. Once again, they're not so different.

These are all good points. I remember Courtney saying back in the day that Kurt was toying with leaving Dave and Krist or at least giving them less of the royalty shares. Sound familiar? lol

I really dislike Miser's way of starting his 60 minutes thesis posts without any links so he can be the center of the conversation with his copy pasta. He strings together quotes and connects the dots to make up some bullshit deduction based on partial evidence. That being said I do like his threads a lot since they are entertaining and he does put a lot of thought into them. I wish Miser would stop talking shit about Kurt though. He needs to lay off the Courtney & Charles Cross's version of events.

Kurt's music was vastly different. His music had a palpable authenticity that couldn't be replicated. Like Billy Corgan he put the effort in writing pretty much all the songs on his own. When I listen to Nirvana, the last thing I think about is GN'R. Stop trying to make it look like Kurt revolved around Axl in the GN'R universe. In 1993 alternative bands like REM, Pearl Jam, AiC were eclipsing the older bands' novelties that just sounded passe. Kurt's sense of humor in using the name Bill Bailey at hotel does not make him obsessed with Axl Rose. In fact, that's a little ironic coming from the OP.

If you don't like their music, fine. What does that have to do with Axl Rose? Nirvana was never GN'R's little satellite and this whole post is an insult to Nirvana fans in my opinion.

I really couldn't disagree more. Axl and Kurt did have a lot of similarities, both were smaller guys, bullied as kids, with some form of personality disorders. They both were/are obsessed with what journalists wrote about them and have both threatened journalists. I saw it back then despite everything. A lot of people like to use their pissing contest as something emblematic of the change of times. I never thought that was true back then and years later now, I know it's not true.

Both came from somewhat whitetrash backgrounds, but whereas Axl was abused, Kurt was more ignored. Maybe that influenced how they presented themselves publicly years later. Axl sought to establish himself in a place of power, he embraced his violent reputation and didn't do anything to distance himself from the sexism that was very much a part of LA rock n roll at that time. And of course, OIAM didn't do anything to but impress on the liberal elite rock critics at the time, that he was "redneck". Kurt went the opposite way, being ultra-sensitive and championing gay and female rock artists. To him Axl was merely a symbol of the "redneck male", Kurt felt his music had to have a platform to be considered legit and punk and he used Axl as a disfavourable comparison. That hurt and pissed off Axl and he did what he always does when someone crosses him, he lashed out.

Did Kurt's life center around Axl? No, of course not. But the OP is right, Kurt did bring up Axl in several interviews at the time without being prompted. I remember that quite clearly He did speak about him quite a bit, so did Courtney. Despite Kurt publicly decrying his success, part of him also relished in it. Axl was the biggest rockstar in the world at that time, and Kurt did feel like he was competing with him and his interviews egged that on, with famewhore Courtney right behind him. The rock press jumped on Axl and Gnr. Irony was in and they were out. They really got the short end of the stick there because that was all bullshit. It wasn't true what Kurt said (although he may have wanted it to be), GnR fans and Nirvana fans weren't fighting it out in high schools across the land. We liked them both. It was just music.

These guys were in their twenties at the time, the rivalry was overblown. I'd bet if Kurt were alive today he wouldn't be slagging Axl. And in Axl interviews, no one ever asks him about Kurt. Someone should ask Axl how he felt when Kurt died. It would be interesting.

Why would GN'R be booting people who are wearing a Slash shirt, from their shows when they are selling things like this?

http://gunsnroses.shop.bravadousa.com/Product.aspx?cp=1158_30433&pc=BGCTGR28

GNR would be sued if X amount of "classic" merchandise was not released. it was part of the settlement with slash/duff.

I understand that but do you reckon it's the band or promoters/agents kicking these kids out?

Promoters wouldn't give a shit About slash shirts, if they didn't have some direction from Axl or his management.

He ain't coming on before 10:30, it's just not going to happen, and sometimes it might be midnight. This is not major news, nor has it been since 1991 at the latest.

He came on at 10:20 in Worcester.

Regardless, people have to realize Axl has not changed and will not change. He has the same issues at age 50 that he had at age 25. Right or wrong, it's silly for anyone to complain about start times. If you buy tickets, prepare for a midnight start time and be happy if they take the stage any sooner. If you can't handle standing in the pit that long, buy a reserved seat ticket. If you can't stay up late the night before a workday, go to a weekend show or take the next day off from work. If none of those things are options, stay home.

I have to disagree. It's not silly to complain about it. Just because someone does something over and over again doesn't make a wrong right. Being late is wrong. It deserves to be called out. Every time. The end.

Axl is the performer, he gets to decide when he starts performing. There's nothing wrong about it. If the tickets had a specified end time printed on them, THEN fans would have a right to complain. Since nothing and nobody promised the fans that the show would be over by a certain time, there is no basis for claims of false advertising or broken promises.

If it was a free performance than yes, Axl could decide whenever he felt like showing up. But people are paying for this. He has an obligation to get his butt on stage in a timely manner.

He ain't coming on before 10:30, it's just not going to happen, and sometimes it might be midnight. This is not major news, nor has it been since 1991 at the latest.

He came on at 10:20 in Worcester.

Regardless, people have to realize Axl has not changed and will not change. He has the same issues at age 50 that he had at age 25. Right or wrong, it's silly for anyone to complain about start times. If you buy tickets, prepare for a midnight start time and be happy if they take the stage any sooner. If you can't handle standing in the pit that long, buy a reserved seat ticket. If you can't stay up late the night before a workday, go to a weekend show or take the next day off from work. If none of those things are options, stay home.

I have to disagree. It's not silly to complain about it. Just because someone does something over and over again doesn't make a wrong right. Being late is wrong. It deserves to be called out. Every time. The end.

Cut the instrumental jams and solo's and you get what? A 1 hour 45 minute set?

Exactly. The majority of people would prefer most of that shit to be cut.

Did you see Bumble's tweet? "tick tock tick tock". Seems prophetic no?

Without knowing what that was in reference to, it doesn't seem like anything at all.

Ali

Maybe, but it's not a huge leap to surmise that he's tired of waiting around.

Did you see Bumble's tweet? "tick tock tick tock". Seems prophetic no?

Cool thread as I don't remember seeing anyone actually ask the question before.

Interesting to read. I'd always thought he was a trust-fund type whose website wound up getting him contact with the band. I never knew until the last few tours that he was in the support group/crew. He's pretty hardcore on his site, but I really like the fact that if you see something there, it's kinda like a confirmation for shows and whatnot.

Like so many have already said, tons of people on these forums would like to be in his spot.

Would they really though? If you can't be in someone's inner circle unless you agree with everything they do, is it worth it? Sometimes it's better to admire one of your favorite artist's from afar.

Axl is obviously obsessed with what is said about him on the internet,

He's Axl Rose i'm sure he can take shit from random internet folks, I can't see him curling up and crying in the corner cause someone had a tantrum and called him a tosser for not wanting to make songs with slash.

You would think so, but we've seen him get mad at things that have been said on the Internet, just like he used to get mad at journalists who criticized him. I don't think jarmo would be there if his forum allowed all opinions.