kyrie

Got floors

hey,

on tm.ca the stage looks like it has three walk-outs, with areas for the GA crown in between.

is this accurate? I'm thinking maybe b/c all the other venue stages seem to be a simple rectangle.

http://www.ticketmaster.ca/event/10004353A5205BB0?artistid=735218&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1

No this is not necessarily accurate. The photo that appears on ticketmaster.ca is provided by Copps/HECFI to ticketmaster.

If you go here: http://www.ticketmaster.com/seatingchart/131078/30384

Choose Guns N' Roses. Then choose End Stage. They're identical. Basically, they took the existing diagram for the end stage layout because that's the general idea of what the show will be like. GNR's stage may not have those walkout areas though. It hasn't on the last two tours. That's not to say things can't change, but all they did was take the diagram they had and put it up for the gnr show.

I'll be the politically incorrect one...

If you're gonna go on late, make sure you have the Suicide Girls with you. And just let them dance, twirl, and shake ass til whenever the band comes on I can live with that.

Honestly all the bitching about the wait times - I had to drive through crazy snow to London in 2002. If Axl hadn't gone on late I would have missed half the show!

If I remember correctly. He closed of his chats with words like: "Thank you so much for nice comments, recently and over the years. It's greatly appriciated" (or something like that...)

its a very good point. people like to ignore somethingl ike this, and instead focus on silence. silence means nothing, but people take that silence as a negative, hes not talking so he obviously hates us.

thats a huge logical jump to make.

im not defending the silence, but too many people just jump to the negative. when axl came here, he was fucknig great. he was humble, open and in good spirits. a lot of people were shocked, it was amazing.

then after a few months of silence hes back to hitler status. i dont think the silence means he hates us, thats ridiculous

You rock for posting the Jump to Conclusions mat from Office Space

Going to try to make Hamilton, London, and Toronto! Maybe Ottawa too. 3 shows would be pretty f'n awesome! I work till 8pm the night of the Toronto show, will probably get there around 9pm, which means I'll be there early.

Just curious, it looks like the Copps Coliseum in Hamilton is huge (18,000). Hamilton is only 60 miles from London, ON, and basically a suburb of Toronto. I want to possibly go to this show and the London show, but don't want to buy tickets for a show that will be sparsely attended or possibly canceled. Can anyone who lives in this area provide some info--is this normal for bands to book all three places, and sell well? Is Hamilton independent enough from Toronto, that the show will be able to sell well on it's own? Will Hamilton draw many fans from Buffalo, and that is why they are booking this date? Any info is appreciated.

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=155718&pid=2525906&st=0entry2525906

Copps holds 18000+ for rock shows, it is far enough away from Toronto and with over 5 million people within 100 miles it is a huge market, Britney Spears just sold out a show here easily, GNR will sell out fast, it is normal for the bands to book it like this any fans that could not get in Toronto show come here and Buffalo fans would rather go here than Toronto because it is closer. GNR will be selling out in Hamilton for sure dude, I live in Hamilton BTW it is a strong music scene here, VR played to a packed house here as well...

Gunsguy

The Ticketmaster seating chart for Guns N' Roses shows that they're tarping off almost half of the arena for the Hamilton show -

GA? That's so fucking awesome, I looked at the seat chart the other day and it looked seated on the floor...

Yeah they were going to do the exact same thing in 93 then ticket sales went through the roof and they opened seating all behind the stage

Gunsguy

Unfortunately, at this point, they're probably going to have to tape off more to make that place look full . . .

Have the people commenting in this thread ever even BEEN to the venues they're yapping about?

I'm not directing this at anyone in particular but this is getting funny. Seems like some people are dooming these shows to failure or something simply because they didn't tour right when the CD came out, or because the venues are too big, yada yada. Yet in 2006 with no CD they sold out 5 of 8 Canadian shows and the rest were pretty full. That's WHY Canada is getting this tour I'm sure (or Axl really, really likes poutine or beavertails or something ). Rock sells better on average here than in the U.S. for various reasons (I'm sure U.S. dates will come mind you).

The photos shown are normal End Stage layouts for rock shows. GNR uses video screens, so no one wants to sit behind the stage or even at side-stage because you CAN'T SEE SHIT due to the screens and equipment.

Tool played Copps with that exact same setup - I was actually in the venue. That's not half the arena, that's the normal diagram for all shows, not just GNR. That show sold out and they didn't open up more seats - although they did add a second show.

A few seats might get opened up if it sells out but generally speaking, what you see is what they're expecting to sell.

As for location - Hamilton, as much as I dislike the city (it's pretty dirty - our answer to Detroit or something), is not a subburb of Toronto and whoever said that probably pissed off a lot of Hamilton natives considering they just lost out on an NHL team yet again thanks to Bettman and the Leafs veto It's got a population of 500,000 and gets quite a few shows each year. Like I said, Tool managed to sell out 2 nights so it's by no means a hick town. And that was after playing Toronto on the first leg of their tour.

I've seen shows at all four venues GNR is playing in Ontario (not GNR at all though) and the band will likely do pretty well even with the "close" distance. Very few people are going to drive from London in the dead of winter for a concert but in 2002 the place was packed (only holds about 10,000 for end stage concerts). The ACC and Bell Centre (Montreal, Quebec for the latter) seem huge but given the population and end stage layout they're going to hold a few thousand less than what they can for hockey - the floor doesn't make up for it because of fire code regulations (can't oversell the floor so you always lose).

In other words... chill out with worrying if shows will sell well etc. Buy your tix and enjoy em.

Whoever asked which shows in Ontario to check out:

London

Hamilton

Ottawa

Toronto

in that order. Toronto crowds suck (and that's my home town crowd). They get too many shows (spoiled), and you get a lot of non-fans showing up who got tickets through some promotion or other. They have a serious reputation for lame crowds for concerts and sports.

London is home to Western (University) so you can get a pretty crazy crowd. It's pretty fucking nasty there in winter (unless you're from up north/out west) and there's not really fuck all happening other than this show most likely 2002 there was nuts, including some crazy guy running through the rafters and a lot of screaming in the streets after the show.

Hamilton gets a good crowd - it's kinda a rock/punk/metal town. Industrial area.

Ottawa's average I suppose. Good crowds, kinda a quiet town. The arena is in the burbs, not in Ottawa itself, so look for a bus or have transportation for after the show.

Chinese Democracy World Tour 2010 on 25 Jan 2010

segunda-feira, 19 de outubro de 2009 16:08

Location: John Labatt Centre

Chinese Democracy World Tour 2010 on 27 Jan 2010

sábado, 17 de outubro de 2009 10:24

Location: Centre Bell

These are the shows that I'd love to attend. now my cheapest flight from Iceland would land in Montreal the 24th.. so does anyone know if there's a bus I could take to London and then back to get to see the smallest and the biggest show of the leg?

Yeah, you want to look at Greyhound bus lines. You'll most likely take a bus from Montreal to Toronto, and then another one from Toronto to London (Toronto is on the way). I'd be afraid to wager a guess, but you'll likely pay at least $100 Canadian for return. Another option is the train which is far more convenient, but a bit pricier. And finally, you can check out airfare... Check out Porter Airlines as they service smaller airports. I'll bet you could get a direct flight from Montreal to London. As a drive it will likely be 7 hours, by plane it's about 100 minutes or so.

Cheers,

Andrew

truly appreciate the information man! but could you tell me what a 100$ Canadian is in US dollars? that way I know what it is in Icelandic Kroners.

and yeah, I thought about the airfares to London but that's even pricier than the train, right? I'm on a tight budget since the economy fall and all (Iceland).

and also, are you attending the show?

EDIT:These are the only routes available on the Greyhound Bus Lines webpage =/

New York to Montreal

New York to Toronto

New York to Boston

Washington, DC to Boston

Washington, DC to New York

Washington, DC to Montreal

Hey what greyhound site are you using?

greyhound.ca - it's a long bus ride though. 11-12 hours, if the weather is good.

21-Day Advance Purchase 1

Adult

$120.00

Ok it doesn't give you the details but that leaves Montreal on the 24th, you're in London on the 25th for the show, you leave London on the 26th, get to Montreal that night, and see the big show on the 27th.

There's only a few departure times available so it might fuck with your flight schedule. Just check out the site and search around though, but that's the round trip price.

I see the 15k arenas selling out, but the 21k bell centre is a long shot.

Hope I'm wrong though.

They will b e lucky to sell 8k10k a show. Most shows will be half full to 3/4 full unless they drop another album.

lol. They sold out Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Quebec City, and Halifax in 2006 with NO ALBUM.

They sold out London in 2002 with no album even CLOSE.

What makes you think, with an actual CD, in January/February (when us frozen Canucks need some entertainment) that there's going to be that much of an issue?

Keep in mind the capacity shown is for hockey games, not end stage concerts.

Rock still sells in Canada; GNR went triple platinum here, and it's absolutely awesome that the band is doing a Canadian tour. I'm guessing they sell out half the shows and at least do well the other half. I still know people who rave about the London show in '02 and Winnipeg in '06.

Where are people reading this?

"I know I sleep well at night in the knowledge that when Chinese Democracy hits the streets in March that it is in large part down to my efforts over the last almost 5 years. I found the money and the motivation to keep Axl and the band alive and get the record made when everyone else had given up and walked away."

That doesn't necessarily mean the tour. It could just as easily mean the publishing rights deal - even more likely since Axl would be getting MUCH more money from that deal than the tour. Merck was key to that deal as he was still at Santuary and likely negotiated it. Any manager can put together a tour.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Fuck there are a lot of Chicken Littles on this board.

They cancelled a show. Big fucking deal. Three cancellations out of like 60-70 shows this year. You realize that for GNR, even in its *prime*, that's a good fucking percentage?

So erm, the guys talks about GNR history but confuses Dizzy (in the band since like 1990) with Pittman, and claims only 2 new songs were played which I'm prety sure is false (then again he left early). And it was the best show he's been to (or one of)?

I'm so confused!

Pretty much the only thing Axl uses is a couple of effects. I think there's an echo effect or something on that Live and Let Die scream.

Aside from that, it's him. As myself and others have pointed out - he changes lines, adlibs, and makes plenty of mistakes. He has sung an entire wrong verse before.

Go watch the people who do use tapes - the pop acts - and you don't see that.

thats what I thought so i originally dismissed the thought

Then a local radio station was even claiming that he was using a tape for the song

He could just use a tape for Brownstone...

Thats why I decided to ask everyone's opinions. I was shocked to hear the vocals still going So I was trying to find out who was still singing.

During Brownstone does Dizzy sing at all?.. thats the only person I couldn't see whether he was singing or not

He does not use a tape for Brownstone. At the show I was at, he adlibbed lines and changed the lyrics. If he had been using a tape he could not have done that. Chances are you heard a backup singer and just thought it was Axl.

Well, at least they are in the top 10. I wonder what the 'net profits' were?

These numbers are wrong. I dunno where Billboard gets there shit from...

Guns N' Roses, Sebastian Bach, Suicide Girls, Die Mannequin

Air Canada Centre

Toronto, Ontario

Nov. 15, 2006

$794,853

13,051 /

13,051

1 /

1

Toronto was not sold out, and the attendence was 18,500 according to the paper. I was there... so that seems odd.

Guns N' Roses, Sebastian Bach, Suicide Girls, Die Mannequin

Scotiabank Place

Ottawa, Ontario

Nov. 17, 2006

$573,303

9,722 /

9,722

1 /

1

$74.61, $61.01, $43.45

House of Blues Canada

Ottawa as far as I know never sold out either.

EDIT: I'm looking at Toronto and they're missing an entire price range under the ticket prices column... maybe that's why? Or do they only count the initial batch of tickets and not the blocks released later?

Remember, it's Metal Sludge:

The site for rednecks who have yet to shave their mullets talking trash from Mommy and Daddy's basement.

No one takes them seriously. It's just a place where the truely pathetic of the music world converge to bitch about who was the greatest, Dokken or Warrant.

I'm against ethnic clensing - except when it comes to Sludge!

But let's get real here.

If they put somethign up that was pro-GNR, opinions would change real quick.

Don't believe me? Is there anything more irrelevant then the 'Talkin' Metal' podcasts? Not that I can see. But they talk about 'Chinese Democracy', so we get every fucking one of them posted here and peopel can't compliment them enough.

No, I would still think Metal Sludge was lame. And I find Talkin' Metal to be lame as well.

Of course they're posted here, it's a GNR site. But I've never listened to a single one of them.

The band coming on at midnight is definitely an issue this time around....no question about it.

It's all I hear about from people who were at the Toronto gig.

Midnight for fuck sake...it's pissing a LOT of people off!

I was at the Toronto show, they were onstage before midnight. Around 11:40.

In addition, there was only about a 30-40 minute wait while they setup the stage between Bach and Axl. So the wait in Toronto was not bad at all. 30-40 mins is average for a set change. And considering there are three opening acts, it's pretty good value.

Yes they came on at 11:40...20 minutes to midnight.

The reviews I have been reading from shows after Toronto has the time edging ever closer to midnight.

A 30-40 minute wait isn't long to wait for Guns' stage to be set up after the opening acts,I agree.It's the fact that the set up is taking place when MOST concerts are ending!

Value??...an opening band that no one has ever heard of or cared about.

A cheesey jiggle show that most people didn't give a rat's ass about.

People are there to see Guns n Roses,one opening act is sufficient and Bach has been doing a damn fine job of it.

People keep saying "it's GnR it's expected"...I saw Guns 5 times in 3 countries between 91-93 and they NEVER came on at midnight.

Yeah "it's Guns and it's their rules"...blah blah blah...all I know is when I look at these midnight starts on the grand scheme of things....it's hurting the cause and damaging the momentum.

Die Mannequin actually played the next big thing stage at Edgefest and have picked up a major label (EMI I think), I'm actually sorry I missed them. I thought it was extrememly cool that GNR picked them up for the Canadian dates in the East.

Suicide Girls were fine for what they were.

And Bach appeals to the older GNR fans. But frankly, I preferred the Suicide Girls over Bach. I find Bach to have one volume, screaming loud. He gets boring after a few songs.

I guess you missed Mix Master Mike in 2002? That was the worst set I've ever sat through.

My brother saw the Chicago show. I told him ahead of time that it would be a long night. He's a casual fan of Gnr, he liked the show but wasn't impressed beyond belief. He's one of the potential fans that Axl will need in the future if he wants GnR to become huge again. Unfortunatley, I don't think Axl won him over.

Finally somebody who understands what I was getting at. I'm going to the show on Sunday with some potential fans. They are not going to be to pleased when I tell them that they shouldn't drink before the show, because Axl goes on so late, that they'll be tired and worn out before the gig starts. GnR should encourage fans not to drink before the shows. I know that's not very Rock N Roll, but going on so late that your own fans are passing out isn't very rock n roll either.

Fans aren't going in blind, if they choose to get hammered at a show that's their problem. I drank before the show in Ottawa, started at the hotel, continued at the venue, I didn't hit it too hard, no more than 8 or 10 beers total. So I felt just fine. If you're passing out at a show you either can't hold your booze, or you're too old for this shit and should go check out Barbara Streisand instead.

Remember, it's Metal Sludge:

The site for rednecks who have yet to shave their mullets talking trash from Mommy and Daddy's basement.

No one takes them seriously. It's just a place where the truely pathetic of the music world converge to bitch about who was the greatest, Dokken or Warrant.

I'm against ethnic clensing - except when it comes to Sludge!

The band coming on at midnight is definitely an issue this time around....no question about it.

It's all I hear about from people who were at the Toronto gig.

Midnight for fuck sake...it's pissing a LOT of people off!

I was at the Toronto show, they were onstage before midnight. Around 11:40.

In addition, there was only about a 30-40 minute wait while they setup the stage between Bach and Axl. So the wait in Toronto was not bad at all. 30-40 mins is average for a set change. And considering there are three opening acts, it's pretty good value.

The shows are getting later and later, and fans buying tickets for the "Chinese Democracy" tour are realizing how much of a farce this is.

It's called a threshold. People have hit it. It is all Axl's fault.

And please, can we stop the desperate "Axl delivered the record and Universal is holding it up" pipedreams? Seriously, give me a fucking break. You might as well say "Axl gave the record to Hillary Clinton, who is holding its release until 2008 to help gain the youth vote for her presidential bid."

They both have the same chance of being true -- NONE.

And that's why the band sold out a show last night?

Next brain-dead comment please.

People who went to the show in Calgary last night said people were leaving.

Ever been to Calgary? I have. Calgary Transit isn't all that great. People, especially those driving in, have to get home. But the late start time is no secret, the Sun (Calgary paper) even did an article on GNR in advance that mentioned the late start time.

I'm tired of hearing comments from people not at the show, and who are on the other side of the fucking map, whining. You weren't there? Great, so I value your opinion why?

So yes, people driving in from a distance take off early. In Toronto, where 18,500 showed up, a few thousand easily left at 1:15. I saw all kinds of comments like yours from people who've never been to the fucking city stating "omg people left early wah!" - guess when the subway stops running here? 1:30.

Check your facts next time. The word of mouth and published reviews of this tour have been outstanding. Go back to 2002 and compare.

Go find me some devastating reviews, besides the Iowa one Cuz I found you plenty of good ones. And that was without fan reviews. I could add TONS of those .

You obviously can't read. Most of the reviews you've quoted were ironic and quite negative towards Axl and his band.

izzy left as he didnt want to play huge stadiums he wanted to play the small clubs like in the original days 86-87

That's Axl's propaganda. Read this interview and you'll see that playing in the stadiums wasn't the main reason why he left...

http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=84334&st=0

4/5 star reviews negative to the band! Calling it the best show Ottawa has seen in years! GLOWING review in Winnipeg. The MPS review that said this "new" Axl should come out on tour again. ROFL. I highly doubt you even read them. Take your licks like a man kid. Cuz right now, you're coming off as a bitter little internet brat.

So find me the devastating reviews (outside the Iowa one I already pointed out). So far you've just been talking shit. Back up your words. Oh, wait, you can't I backed up my statement, as much as you'd like to believe or magically read otherwise.

In other words: Put up, or shut the fuck up

The reality is that there isn't a single shred of evidence that there are any legal problems that are preventing Axl from releasing the album. The problems with Clear Channel were four years ago and there isn't any evidence that they lost millions of dollars, as a matter of fact it was claimed at the time that they pulled the plug on the tour to stop those huge losses, and any legal fall out from that would have been already dealt with. As for the record company, we can create hypothesizes to somehow remove all blame from Axl for the delays and pretend that he's working tirelessly to get the album released but it's the big bad record company that's to blame.

It's possible to create hypothetical scenarios that might be happening, but unless their is some evidence to base them upon, then it's all just hot air. There has been plenty of evidence over the years that the sole reason for the delay in releasing not only CD but the delays in releasing UYI were down to Axl.

Exactly.

Add to that that Jimmy Iovine and certain forces at Universal were pushing for a Spring 2007 release date for better marketing and it was GNR/Management who wanted 2006 and what do you get?

The CD will be out when it's out.

Oh, great. Here we go again. You're dragging up a 2001 interview, and Izzy has clearly changed his mind since he PLAYED WITH THE BAND THIS YEAR.

This tour is getting stellar reviews for the most part, and attendance is up from 2002.

Izzy didn't change his mind at all about this band. A couple of weeks ago he called it "Axl's new gnr" on his site... http://www.chopaway.com/

By the way, where are the stellar reviews ? The reviews I've read are quite devastating, actually.

ROFL. I guess you have trouble reading then. Good job.

Lets get you some reviews then:

http://winnipegsun.com/Entertainment/Conce...05/2636795.html

http://www.startribune.com/457/story/851386.html

http://torontosun.com/Entertainment/2006/11/16/2378356.html

http://www.chartattack.com/DAMN/2006/11/1601.cfm (CA hate GNR and still gave a good review)

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...;StarSource=RSS

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story....ea-325dcc79e005

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Artists/G/Guns_N...19/2416952.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/10/27/Floridia...e_Bob_Bar.shtml

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.d...360/1001/NEWS10

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Entertainment/542561.html

http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=9729&sc=5

http://blog.news-record.com/staff/musiccan..._review_16.html

http://www.clevescene.com/blogs/?p=305

http://cleve.live.advance.net/music/plaind....xml&coll=2

This band has had ONE terrible review, from Iowa, a couple slightly negative ones, and the rest have been positive to very positive on this North American tour. You're reading what you want to, but facts speak for themselves.

As to Izzy: He changed his mind enough to play with it. If he calls it Axl's new GNR - so what? He's still willing to play with them, and according to Izzy himself, it was his idea.

Does it actually physically hurt, being as wrong as you just were? I could dig up more positive reviews if you like. Devastating

Guys, ignore pepsboy. He was just kicked in the nuts hard enough to switch genders. It's funny to see him bring up Mick Wall to defend himself. Yeah, there's an unbiased source, a guy who's peers regard him as a joke (so read about what a dick the guy was back in the day), trying to live off past glory by publishing a book - and who was called out on a multi-platinum album by the singer of the band he's now going to write an article on.

Yup, totally unbiased.

No one gives a fuck about Mick Wall, kid.

Go find me some devastating reviews, besides the Iowa one Cuz I found you plenty of good ones. And that was without fan reviews. I could add TONS of those .

I think it's amusing that people actually get excited over a few semi-professional photos.

You guys do realize that real bands do this all the time right? They also create and release music.

Happy Tuesday, suckers. The tour's ending and Axl's going back to the mansion with enough money to pay the coke bills for another three years. Then maybe we'll get another Chinese Democracy world tour. I hope he plays AFD songs again.

Sod off. I love how fuckwits like yourself want to rain on the parade of people who are having a good time. What, because people like the photos, you need to bitch at em for it? Yes, bands have photogs. GNR has George Chin at every show. But since his stuff likely won't be seen till the end of tour outside of the odd gunsnroses.com shot, these photos were quite cool.

Now, go peddle your bullshit in another thread. This thread is about the Winnipeg show, and aside from bitching about people liking the photos, you haven't said FUCK ALL about the show.

Are you just going to follow me around? I thought we agreed that we don't agree? Fine, they play the same set, it's the kind of set the general public outside of here are going to know and want to hear. But it just makes no sense to me at all that he can't introduce the new music as 80% of the crowd does not know them and it only seems logical and productive to introduce them. Why is he not talking about the album? Isn't this the time to promote it? He is getting a chance to tell THOUSANDS of people to look for the new album but no, nothing. Doesn't it make you suspcious? It's because he either doesn't know for sure if he wants to release it or if he needs to tinker with it some more and knows it isn't close.

Is there a point to any of that? Your entire theory is based on the fact that Axl doesn't introduce the new songs at live shows? Wow. Way to build a mountain out of a molehill.

Except for those rare occasions, like when he mentioned Robin writing Better, or at the warmups where he mentioned Universal Music's investment in the project...

Same set? Hmmm well with alternates like Down on the Farm and You're Crazy (both versions) and Used to Love Her being tossed in, it's not really the same now is it?

And maybe he's just letting the music speak for itself.

When the album comes out, people will know. Regardless of whether it's good or not, and regardless of whether people buy it or not, every music rag and website on the planet will cover it, because of what it is. It's not like he needs to sell it to the people at the shows.

Next hairbrained theory please!

some clues into the whole Chi-dem fiasco?

I think you're foolishly optimistic. I'm just waiting for 2006 to run out so SOME of you people will STFU about a new album from GNR...THERE IS NO NEW FUCKING ALBUM!! It is not going to happen. Put two and two together - they've toured in 2002 and now 2006, with no mention from Axl (the creator of this uh 'masterpiece') at all...not ONCE during ANY of the shows.

He shut it down sometime in the last 4 years and is just playing the tunes that were finished from the album that will never come.

I guess Bach was hearing things.

And so what if 2006 ends? What is that gonna change? The album will be out eventually. The problem is, some people take it as more than just a CD, and others, like you, do nothing but bitch.

It's a CD. When it comes out, I'll buy it. Till then I'm happy with shows, but I'd be just as happy if fuckwits like you shut your hole about "wah there's no album it doesn't exist it's a conspiracy wah!"