what axl could have been

[Steamboat]

To the OP...I can understand your point of view, but your so biased towards Axl and everything you say about Slash is negative, like he "obviously was afraid to evolve, and plays boring rock, still to this day". I'm so tired of people on this board bashing Slash 24/7, it's ridiculous. I'm into the new band, and am as big an Axl fan as anyone, but I like Slash just as much, and he's anything but a "typical" guitarist. I don't know how you can blame the dissolve of GNR on Slash. You got so excited about that quote, which was actually Gilby and not even Slash, but you come on here and post it saying THIS IS IT!! Like that's the missing piece of information on GNR breaking up. It's not just SLASH who didn't want to change the direction of the band...in fact Axl was the only one who did...so if you're gonna blame Slash, you have to blame Duff, Izzy, Matt, Gilby...etc. too.

i'm not fully blaming him and the quote where i said THIS IS IT is just because it explains exactly what i was trying to say

i'm not hating on slash, he can do what he wants

and he definitely is a pretty typical guitarist, he isn't very creative or never strays too far from his boundaries

i'm just saying on a sidenote to the immense interest i have in what axl could have done and took guns on to do and kind of did a little bit but too little too late, was that it was that very desire axl had that conflicted with everyone else and on top of lawsuits and the whole business.. it really explains to me the breakup of GNR rather than the greediness of axl that the media has fed to people and myself

even the lawsuit i can understand now, axl has never been a bad guy, and after slash left was obviously distraught, it was obviously not what he was going for

anyway i don't need to carry on explaining myself i apologise for sounding biased against slash, i have nothing against him i'm just not a fan of his music (past the point were it becomes monotonous and generic after a few albums worth, and his attitued concerning music, that he stays the same) but the man has created some damn great music and i have rspect for him

[Chris 55]

We know he was extremely talented in terms of songwriting, singing, piano playing and theres been talk recently (on the board recently) abbout him playing guitar and lead guitar and pissing slash off with it (we know slash likes to adhere to typical rock band tradition and stuff so it wouldnt surprise me) and we all know the crazy stuff he has had behind covers back in the late nineties from working with zakk wylde to indsutrial style music like OMG and using pro tools and all that crazy stuff

then of course slash left, obviously because he's afraid of evolution, and still plays typical rock music to this day, which might be nice to others but its kind of boring, he did the same throughout VR and snakepit too

whereas axl sounded fucking promising, know whati mean? like this guy could have been one of those evolving and awesome artists.. he could have made GNR like nine inch nails or radiohead and stuff i have no doubt that was his intention, i read somewhere he wanted to evolve to a pearl jam sound on the 3rd gnr album or something

he could have been on stage with a crazy keyboard setup and playing guitar with a pedal board doing all kinds of sick shit and putting out albums like Kid A but it seems this was sabotaged by a multitude of things

and it really PAINS me to think of all that went to waste

from what.. 1994 to 2008 til some of this material saw official release, and it was pretty damn good some of it standing out in the midst of gnrs catalogue and lots of interesting fresh sounds mixed in with the hard rock gnr foundation

well theres my little rant. i'm sure some of it is axls fault, and maybe he didnt have the guts, lets say, that radiohead did putting out kid A or something

what do you think? Axl could have been an absolute stand out musician from all of time.. he had broad interests and i bet he had 2000 intentions in terms of project ideas and new music n stuff

just picture a UYI era axl on stage with a NIN type setup and like.. zakk wylde on guitar

FuCK

i wish someone could put together acollection of interview quotes and anecdotes and such as well as pictures and make a true account of what may have been happening 1994 thru house of blues

Wow, check out this incoherent pile of bullshit.

[Steamboat]

Man. the purpose of this thread wasn't to hate on slash, here's what i simply think concerning him

- he has made some really great music and created a great image and has a somewhat distinct style

- without him there would be no GNR, and his work on the gnr catalog is probably the best parts of it, and what made it so classic

see, i mean no hate, but when you get to musical terms

- his music, it's all the same hard rock blues tinged thing every time minus the odd couple songs, and its been like that for decades, he hasn't evolved which IS necessary. absolutely necessary, you can't just say, fuck it i have my sound now, i;ll put out similar sounding records til i'm dead. you have to be creative and do new things, which he hasn't done

- that attitude to his music is (along with the other guys) conflicted the axl, adding to the pile of shit that prevent guns and axl progressing

there you go, i'm not a hater or anything, those are pretty much facts

then of course slash left, obviously because he's afraid of evolution, and still plays typical rock music to this day, which might be nice to others but its kind of boring, he did the same throughout VR and snakepit too

I love how it is always Slash Slash Slash that get's all the beatings from Axlites.. I do believe Duff, Izzy and Steven all play "typical rock to this day" also... Axl may have always been wanting to chase the latest trends but maybe he should have stuck to typical rock too. He was good at that..

yep duff izzy and steven are at fault but its BLATANTLY obvious to see that slash was the biggest piece of the puzzle. and he (axl) and no one should stick to thhe sound they started with, there was at least some progression from AFD to UYi blah blah

We know he was extremely talented in terms of songwriting, singing, piano playing and theres been talk recently (on the board recently) abbout him playing guitar and lead guitar and pissing slash off with it (we know slash likes to adhere to typical rock band tradition and stuff so it wouldnt surprise me) and we all know the crazy stuff he has had behind covers back in the late nineties from working with zakk wylde to indsutrial style music like OMG and using pro tools and all that crazy stuff

then of course slash left, obviously because he's afraid of evolution, and still plays typical rock music to this day, which might be nice to others but its kind of boring, he did the same throughout VR and snakepit too

whereas axl sounded fucking promising, know whati mean? like this guy could have been one of those evolving and awesome artists.. he could have made GNR like nine inch nails or radiohead and stuff i have no doubt that was his intention, i read somewhere he wanted to evolve to a pearl jam sound on the 3rd gnr album or something

he could have been on stage with a crazy keyboard setup and playing guitar with a pedal board doing all kinds of sick shit and putting out albums like Kid A but it seems this was sabotaged by a multitude of things

and it really PAINS me to think of all that went to waste

from what.. 1994 to 2008 til some of this material saw official release, and it was pretty damn good some of it standing out in the midst of gnrs catalogue and lots of interesting fresh sounds mixed in with the hard rock gnr foundation

well theres my little rant. i'm sure some of it is axls fault, and maybe he didnt have the guts, lets say, that radiohead did putting out kid A or something

what do you think? Axl could have been an absolute stand out musician from all of time.. he had broad interests and i bet he had 2000 intentions in terms of project ideas and new music n stuff

just picture a UYI era axl on stage with a NIN type setup and like.. zakk wylde on guitar

FuCK

i wish someone could put together acollection of interview quotes and anecdotes and such as well as pictures and make a true account of what may have been happening 1994 thru house of blues

Wow, check out this incoherent pile of bullshit.

kill yourself.

[dalsh327]

Of Axl's guitar setup, [Dave] Abbruzzese recalls, "You could hunt buffalo with his rig. It had a lot of lights, a lot of blinking lights, a lot of things that you stepped on. It sounded like a freight train that was somehow playable."

amazing

It's prob. a lot like Edge's. I can see Axl approaching the guitar for the sounds than being proficient at it, otherwise he would've gotten on an acoustic for KOHD by now. It can look too much like a prop for some people - like when Jagger, Elvis, or Madonna's played it.

[Master Chief Billy Sunday]

I think at the end of the day. The biggest shame is that he went into hiding for so long. He wasted years and years and could have been releasing all the music he has stashed away.

[HowlinWolf]

I think at the end of the day. The biggest shame is that he went into hiding for so long. He wasted years and years and could have been releasing all the music he has stashed away.

He definately did waste alot of years. The original post had to blame it on everyone but Axl though. Part of the reason his bandmated left him was because he was wasting peoples time.. This goes for members from the classic lineup up until the CD lineup.. He seems to be getting better though. Let's hope the next album is better than CD if there is one.. I would still rather a reunion of some sort myself.

[Erinn]

then of course slash left, obviously because he's afraid of evolution, and still plays typical rock music to this day, which might be nice to others but its kind of boring, he did the same throughout VR and snakepit too.

This means that Slash has passed the barrier of being known for nothing more than Guns or Velvet ... and the name has weight and not a band.

[tingirl]

I agree with the name having wieght.I believe that everymember of the band would have had much more successfull solo careers exspecially Axl and Slash if the original name was left behind.Even if it was just altered a bit like nuguns or such.This would have eliminated so many problems. Everyone complains about the lack of activity after the split but could you imagine the mess if Axl started releasing music solo as gnr right away,CAREER SUICIDE,people can barey accept it now but they would have accepted it if the name was different. It would have let everyone continue on in thier own direction without anamosity after all music is what it should all be about not a name.

[KiraMPD]

This raises an interesting question though; would the original 5 members be more/less successful than they are now if the split had been more... amicable?

[dalsh327]

This raises an interesting question though; would the original 5 members be more/less successful than they are now if the split had been more... amicable?

I think it would've left the doors open and more collaborations would've happened had it been amicable. I don't think any of the feuds got in the way of sales. Slash has maintained the most high profile out of any of the band members, but I don't think his self-titled burned up the charts. Even with Fergie on the song, had it been on her solo album, prob. would've done better.

[Steamboat]

I agree with the name having wieght.I believe that everymember of the band would have had much more successfull solo careers exspecially Axl and Slash if the original name was left behind.Even if it was just altered a bit like nuguns or such.This would have eliminated so many problems. Everyone complains about the lack of activity after the split but could you imagine the mess if Axl started releasing music solo as gnr right away,CAREER SUICIDE,people can barey accept it now but they would have accepted it if the name was different. It would have let everyone continue on in thier own direction without anamosity after all music is what it should all be about not a name.

you're right actually

i think axl didnt want to see the band and name go to shit, but after everyone left, he was stubborn enough to keep going with it rather than just break off.. i mean i bet he would have felt much better doing that

[Flayer]

Um, no. Musical "chameleons" usually change in order to remain popular. I definitely don't support that, I think that artists should confine themselves to certain gernes instead of following trends and let the younger people go forward and experiment.

I can't stand this attitude.

[Steamboat]

i think it is a shame axl hide away for so long..but he had his own problems he felt he is better dealing with in private and i dont blame him

agree