Zeppelin Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Anything over 15 minutes is most likely not gonna be good. At that point you will either get repetitive or have some really disjointed stuff with a unifying theme really. You see these track here and there, 23 minutes long, 35 minutes, or a whole disc. What's the point? It's always a sequence of moments that make sense individually, some may really good in fact, but what's point in having them as a single song? Why not split the tracks and give them each their own name? All you do is make it harder for the listener to skip the parts that he doesn't like. And it only comes across as a gimmick: "ok, so we've got 5 songs, 6 minutes each, let's play them in sequence with awkward so called segues and say it's just one song. And then we'll play the first one again at the end and say we've got a theme!"I mentioned Estranged (by GNR) and Telegraph Road (by Dire Straits) in my list. I love them, I know them by heart, they're my two favorite songs, and they're 9 and 14 minutes long respectively and go through a series of changes each of them. But it makes sense! You cannot possibly imagine any part of these songs on its own. I think that's where you can see mastery in songcraft best: in segues. How well does an artist do transitions between parts of a songWrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Titties and Beer - Frank Zappa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Right now it's The Last Baron.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcI9p1rAxkw&hd=1Fuckin' beast song. It's my favorite as of late, too.LOL @ whoever picked The Angel and the Gambler. Its length is one of its biggest flaws in my opinion. I think the chorus is repeated ~30 times. But I have to admit, most of my favorite Maiden songs are 8+ minutes.Ayreon -- Into the Black HoleBlack Sabbath -- Megalomania, Wheels of ConfusionBob Dylan -- Desolation RowBruce Dickinson -- Cyclops (best song off the record), Book of ThelDeep Purple -- Child in TimeElton John -- Funeral For a Friend/Love Lies BleedingGuns N' Roses -- Coma, Estranged, Locomotive, November RainIron Maiden -- Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Sign of the Cross, Paschendale, The Clansman, The Thin Line Between Love and Hate, Alexander the Great, Brighter Than a Thousand Suns, When the Wild Wind Blows, The Talisman, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, The Unbeliever, Dream of Mirrors, The Nomad, Dance of Death, For the Greater Good of God, The Legacy.Judas Priest -- Cathedral SpiresLed Zeppelin -- Achilles Last Stand, In My Time of DyingMastodon -- The Last Baron, The CzarMegadeth -- She-Wolf (Rude Awakening)Porcupine Tree -- Gravity EyelidsQueen -- The Prophet SongQueensryche -- Suite Sister MaryRainbow -- StargazerRush -- Xanadu, 2112, La Villa Strangiato, By-Tor and the Snow Dog, Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres, The Camera Eye Temple of the Dog -- Reach DownTimothy Mahr -- Endurancecool to see another cathedral spires fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevelle Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Anything over 15 minutes is most likely not gonna be good. At that point you will either get repetitive or have some really disjointed stuff with a unifying theme really. You see these track here and there, 23 minutes long, 35 minutes, or a whole disc. What's the point? It's always a sequence of moments that make sense individually, some may really good in fact, but what's point in having them as a single song? Why not split the tracks and give them each their own name? All you do is make it harder for the listener to skip the parts that he doesn't like. And it only comes across as a gimmick: "ok, so we've got 5 songs, 6 minutes each, let's play them in sequence with awkward so called segues and say it's just one song. And then we'll play the first one again at the end and say we've got a theme!"I mentioned Estranged (by GNR) and Telegraph Road (by Dire Straits) in my list. I love them, I know them by heart, they're my two favorite songs, and they're 9 and 14 minutes long respectively and go through a series of changes each of them. But it makes sense! You cannot possibly imagine any part of these songs on its own. I think that's where you can see mastery in songcraft best: in segues. How well does an artist do transitions between parts of a songI kind of agree with you. If a song is long, but has enough ideas to flesh out the whole length of it, then I usually enjoy it. But when songs are long just for the sake of being long, dragged out with five and six and seven minutes of soloing, like with a band like Dream Theater, then it's completely uninteresting to me. Songs with the structure and inspiration to hold itself together for the duration are what I love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bran Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Anything over 15 minutes is most likely not gonna be good. At that point you will either get repetitive or have some really disjointed stuff with a unifying theme really. You see these track here and there, 23 minutes long, 35 minutes, or a whole disc. What's the point? It's always a sequence of moments that make sense individually, some may really good in fact, but what's point in having them as a single song? Why not split the tracks and give them each their own name? All you do is make it harder for the listener to skip the parts that he doesn't like. And it only comes across as a gimmick: "ok, so we've got 5 songs, 6 minutes each, let's play them in sequence with awkward so called segues and say it's just one song. And then we'll play the first one again at the end and say we've got a theme!"I mentioned Estranged (by GNR) and Telegraph Road (by Dire Straits) in my list. I love them, I know them by heart, they're my two favorite songs, and they're 9 and 14 minutes long respectively and go through a series of changes each of them. But it makes sense! You cannot possibly imagine any part of these songs on its own. I think that's where you can see mastery in songcraft best: in segues. How well does an artist do transitions between parts of a songI kind of agree with you. If a song is long, but has enough ideas to flesh out the whole length of it, then I usually enjoy it. But when songs are long just for the sake of being long, dragged out with five and six and seven minutes of soloing, like with a band like Dream Theater, then it's completely uninteresting to me. Songs with the structure and inspiration to hold itself together for the duration are what I love.yeah i tend to agree, i listen to alot of songs in the 9-11 minute mark and they always keep my attention. i have listened to many dream theater songs and just have been bored halfway through the song lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Yeah, Dream Theater was the band that first sprang to my mind as well. It's not even the long solo aspect, it's just that song sections have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivenToFly Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 LOL @ whoever picked The Angel and the Gambler. Its length is one of its biggest flaws in my opinion. I think the chorus is repeated ~30 times. But I have to admit, most of my favorite Maiden songs are 8+ minutes.That was me. A lot of interesting instrumental stuff is happening while the chorus keeps being repeated. Add to that a very subtle crescendo in the vocals and the chorus becomes sort of a rhythm section, while some wicked solos are happening along. And it has a pretty good beat to it too. That's why I don't mind the repetition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobodys_Fault Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 John Frusciante - Before the BeginningI'm going through the thread, listening to the ones I haven't heard before. This is the only one so far that I can say I'm really enjoying. Very good song!'Before the Beginning' is actually Frusciante's version of 'Maggot Brain', another of the songs I listed. Glad you liked it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Future Love Song (Demo) - Kevin Max...Not only is it 12 minutes long, it's vastly superior to the finished version.Coma - Guns N' RosesEstranged - Guns N' RosesJesus of Suburbia - Green DayNovember Rain - Guns N' RosesKashmir - Led ZeppelinThe Prophet's Song - QueenTainted Love/Where Did Our Love Go - Soft CellFrankie Teardrop - Suicide...Fucking creepy as hellI'd Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That) - Meat LoafJesus, I / Mary Star of the Sea - Zwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 one of the few songs i'll that's perfect: REALLY good choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 November Rain, Estranged, Master of Puppets.War pigs missed it by 2 seconds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill Devil Hill Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 cool to see another cathedral spires fan It's funny. For a long time, my favorite Judas Priest song was Sinner (from Unleashed in the East), but that's really changed recently. Cathedral Spires is my favorite now. It's probably one of my all-time favorite songs, too. I never understood why it never got more attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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