slääsh Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) no artwork, no tracklist, no reviews yet - and still problems with the sanctuary group......i think there is no chance for cd this year....libertad by vr is in production-mixing status right now....will there be a "freedom" battle in spring 2007? Edited November 18, 2006 by slääsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleHaze Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 That would be interesting but I think the reason its been put back (if it has been) is the same reason its alway been put back.... Axl wants to change something more. I doubt he really cares about VR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelo Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I really don't think that's GN'R's plan, as there is a possibility that Libertad might outsell Chinese Democracy. THAT would be embarrasing. It's not too likely, I know, but maybe some people might be drawn to VR more, with Slash there. That's the reason some of my friends give for not liking GN'R, anyway ... 'cause Slash is no longer in the band.Of course there will be a "war" between them, though, especially with the critics. But, the publicity from that could be good for GN'R, if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
final_touches Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 There was the same speculation back in the day when Contraband was going to be released. I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Axl has no plan.But Merck does - its 2005 when it all will be revealed, people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakepit_uk Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 no artwork, no tracklist, no reviews yet - and still problems with the sanctuary group......i think there is no chance for cd this year....libertad by vr is in production-mixing status right now....will there be a "freedom" battle in spring 2007?according to matt they're doing pre-production on libertad at the moment. so it's nowhere near being mixed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Perhaps. I suppose they have similar titles - Freedom and the hope for democracy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukinx Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 We´ll probably see "Libertad" in the stores before "Chinese Democracy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 We´ll probably see "Libertad" in the stores before "Chinese Democracy". Big deal. Velvet NEED Libertad - Guns don't need Chinese Democracy. Guns have a legacy, and Velvet need to build one. So who comes off better? In a rating war, certainly Chinese Democracy - even if critics don't believe it's been worth 13 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukinx Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) We´ll probably see "Libertad" in the stores before "Chinese Democracy". Big deal. Velvet NEED Libertad - Guns don't need Chinese Democracy. Guns have a legacy, and Velvet need to build one. So who comes off better? In a rating war, certainly Chinese Democracy - even if critics don't believe it's been worth 13 years.Huh? They don´t NEED "Chinese Democracy"? I think they, the new GN´R, do because they have not proven themselves to the general public and until they have an album out it doesn´t really matter how much they tour. Velvet Revolver on the other hand already have one album out and a second on the way and no one is thinking "I wonder if the new VR-album is really gonna come out" about their releases while GN´R is concidrered by many to be Axl Rose with hired guns and with an album that hasn´t come out in a very loooooooong time. Sure, GN´R have the name, but that only goes just that far. And as long as the focus stays on Axl and the none-release of CD they cannot really be concidered a band to count on. Edited November 18, 2006 by Lukinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) We´ll probably see "Libertad" in the stores before "Chinese Democracy". Big deal. Velvet NEED Libertad - Guns don't need Chinese Democracy. Guns have a legacy, and Velvet need to build one. So who comes off better? In a rating war, certainly Chinese Democracy - even if critics don't believe it's been worth 13 years. You're wrong here. The new band doesn't have any legacy, except for playing 2 hours tribute to the old band every night (with exception of 3-5 songs).... And sucking legacy from the guys that were members of the band in the early days is pretty lame.... M. Edited November 18, 2006 by Mango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmir Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 You're wrong here. The new band doesn't have any legacy, except for playing 2 hours tribute to the old band every night (with exception of 3-5 songs).... And sucking legacy from the guys that were in the early days is pretty lame.... M.correct.the only legacy the current band have is the one of being a "karaoke band"until CD comes out...no matter how good they may be....they're just a cover band.of course CD needs Libertad and vice versa....it is going to spark a media frenzy, and if it happens that they come out at the same time, 95% of buyers of one record will buy the other one (possibly on the same day) just to compare the two....it is going to bring back rock n' roll wars and feuds we enjoyed seeing in the late 80's and early 90's.....and that's why axl will be on top again....he WILL command media attention to the full...like he used to.some smart people at Universal (and respective record companies) are crafting these schemes and products....very very smart people.don't underestimate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssiscool Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 ah another thread trying to devolge into Axl's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Manson Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Axl has no plan.But Merck does - its 2005 when it all will be revealed, people Mango Rocks!! We´ll probably see "Libertad" in the stores before "Chinese Democracy". Big deal. Velvet NEED Libertad - Guns don't need Chinese Democracy. Guns have a legacy, and Velvet need to build one. So who comes off better? In a rating war, certainly Chinese Democracy - even if critics don't believe it's been worth 13 years. You're wrong here. The new band doesn't have any legacy, except for playing 2 hours tribute to the old band every night (with exception of 3-5 songs).... And sucking legacy from the guys that were members of the band in the early days is pretty lame.... M.Completely and truthfully 100% correct!! B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 We´ll probably see "Libertad" in the stores before "Chinese Democracy". Big deal. Velvet NEED Libertad - Guns don't need Chinese Democracy. Guns have a legacy, and Velvet need to build one. So who comes off better? In a rating war, certainly Chinese Democracy - even if critics don't believe it's been worth 13 years. You're wrong here. The new band doesn't have any legacy, except for playing 2 hours tribute to the old band every night (with exception of 3-5 songs).... And sucking legacy from the guys that were members of the band in the early days is pretty lame.... M.Do people bother to read posts?Guns N' Roses do have a legacy. What is this 'new band' you speak of?If you a refering to the current lineup of Guns N' Roses, it is true that they don't have a legacy as such - bar for turning up late and being true rock and roll stars. Or does that count for nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 We´ll probably see "Libertad" in the stores before "Chinese Democracy". Big deal. Velvet NEED Libertad - Guns don't need Chinese Democracy. Guns have a legacy, and Velvet need to build one. So who comes off better? In a rating war, certainly Chinese Democracy - even if critics don't believe it's been worth 13 years. You're wrong here. The new band doesn't have any legacy, except for playing 2 hours tribute to the old band every night (with exception of 3-5 songs).... And sucking legacy from the guys that were members of the band in the early days is pretty lame.... M.Do people bother to read posts?Guns N' Roses do have a legacy. What is this 'new band' you speak of?If you a refering to the current lineup of Guns N' Roses, it is true that they don't have a legacy as such - bar for turning up late and being true rock and roll stars. Or does that count for nothing? -The band that's been running since 1997 and it's known by Guns&Roses (at least in 2002 and 2006).- True rock n' roll stars while covering other people's songs.... M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I thought this was a thread about which was the shittier title for a new cd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 -The band that's been running since 1997 and it's known by Guns&Roses (at least in 2002 and 2006).That's Guns N' Roses though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) .. while GN´R is concidrered by many to be Axl Rose with hired guns and with an album that hasn´t come out in a very loooooooong time. Sure, GN´R have the name, but that only goes just that far. And as long as the focus stays on Axl and the none-release of CD they cannot really be concidered a band to count on.Everybody that's even been in GnR has been a 'hired gun'. Adler, Duff, and Slash all had to be 'approved' by Axl. They were all 'replacements'. The only person that wasn't a replacement part was Izzy because Axl and Izzy are like this ... (with fingers crossed) ... Edited November 18, 2006 by Anti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 The band is comprised of legends, many of whom are far better players than the original lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graemewark Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 The band is comprised of legends, many of whom are far better players than the original lineup.ive never heard so much bullshit, how can you say that when you got nothing to compare the hired guns to the origianls, remember it was the origainals that wrote most of the songs that these fuckers are covering every night are they not?? Ask most people if they know who these guys are and most wont have a clue but ask about the old g n r and just about everyone will know who they are and the faact their songs and riffs constantly top greatest songs polls and shit and always will the old guns have fuck all to prove these hired guns on the other hand have everything to prove. Your saying these guys are legends but the old guns are what then, go read up on your history idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjakalen Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Axl has no plan.But Merck does - its 2005 when it all will be revealed, people Could it be said better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandycat Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 no artwork, no tracklist, no reviews yet - and still problems with the sanctuary group......i think there is no chance for cd this year....libertad by vr is in production-mixing status right now....will there be a "freedom" battle in spring 2007?You know what is sad? People were saying the same thing when VR 1st album came out. This is VR 2nd album, and Axl cant even get us a single. No reason for this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 No, Axl's making more changes. Releasing it against Libertad would cut both album's first week sales heavily. Not a good decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience 4 Axl Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 .. while GN´R is concidrered by many to be Axl Rose with hired guns and with an album that hasn´t come out in a very loooooooong time. Sure, GN´R have the name, but that only goes just that far. And as long as the focus stays on Axl and the none-release of CD they cannot really be concidered a band to count on.Everybody that's even been in GnR has been a 'hired gun'. Adler, Duff, and Slash all had to be 'approved' by Axl. They were all 'replacements'. The only person that wasn't a replacement part was Izzy because Axl and Izzy are like this ... (with fingers crossed) ...Slash and Duff were not "hired guns" but near equal creative forces in a band that they helped build from NOTHING. If Axl thought of them as mere "replacements", he would not have had to blackmail them into signing over their rights to the band name. He obviously knew, that both legally and personally, they were as much a part of the band and the name as he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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