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Speaking of Slaxl and Christmas presents, guys, look who got Axl a Christmas present
I really want to know what Slash and Meegan got Axl (and it sounds like they got TB presents as well )
There's also a comment by Susan somewhere, saying how beautiful the tree is
On 24.12.2016 at 4:40 PM, SerenityScorp said:Where did You get Angel Duff, Axl Christmas tree N' Axl hold a candle *in the cold December snow* Pics!?
Baby Duff with the angel halo is a screenshot from the LALD video. Don't know where the Christmas tree pic with the cat is from, probably one of the Lebeises or Sasha. This year's christmas tree is from Beta, she posted it on her Instagram yesterday. The picture of Axl holding a candle is from 2006, when he was at some kind of fashion show I think.
On 24.12.2016 at 5:23 PM, Blackstar said:Axl's tree is so... Axl. Overdecorated with all kinds of shit hanging
@Lumikki thanks for the pics!
Right?
Just like he himself isThe sandwich/slice of bread is killing me lol.
On 24.12.2016 at 5:53 PM, Blackstar said:On 24.12.2016 at 5:37 PM, MillionsOfSpiders said:My little girl saw me looking at the tree pic over my shoulder and she said that it's way better than ours
Yes, I can imagine. This tree is every child's wish and joy . Lucky little Lebeises
23 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:EDIT: and if that is him, I can see why his tree is so over the top and like a miracle for a little kid. Where's the tree in that pic?? Decorations??? Anything??
I agree with both of you. Looking at it that way, it's no surprise Axl likes going over the top with this kind of stuff so much. He seemingly didn't have that kind of thing as a kid, so I guess he makes up for it now. And he's like an over-grown toddler in many ways anyway, so I guess it all makes sense...
23 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:I think that is Axl in the family pic.
The adults around him have a kind of tense vibe for me even though you can't see their faces much, I'm not getting a happy Christmassy feeling looking at that pic. It's kinda sad.
Could be wrong though.
On 24.12.2016 at 6:04 PM, SerenityScorp said:Dat kid didnt looks like Axl to Me
Where did You get tht?
I'm pretty sure this is Axl. Like @Frey said, there are more pictures like that. It's a mystery to me where they came from though. And I agree with you @MillionsOfSpiders, I'm getting the same vibe. Kinda depressing, yeah.
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A merry Yuletide to you all!
Here's some seasonally appropriate pics lol. Like baby angel Duff...Or this adorable furry home decoration (posing in front of Axl's tree):
And this is Axl's tree this year apparently:
Axl holding a candle fits the theme too
Then there's this Christsmassy couple. Today...... and back then. Bonus Slash's mom, Duff and Steven too.
And the other pretty Christmas couple:
And some stuff Google threw at me. Credits to the artists.
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8 minutes ago, Andy14 said:
It took them 26 years but the AFD lineup is finally performing together
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Merry Christmas!!!
Third one is my favorite
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43 minutes ago, killuridols said:Probably, the story of Axl threatening Erin with a gun is much less glamorous than Axl riding a white horse to apologize to another woman, and in the general public mind, this story sticks more because it's not violent and it sounds like taken from a fairy tale.
However, if one can get rid of all the sugarcoating (especially Goldstein's liters of drool ), it is easy to find a pattern in all of these odd behavior: Axl thinking that in order to gain a woman's love he had to do extraordinary things, out of this world things, either terrifying or adorable, and that he was entitled to pardon or marriage because what he did for them no other guy would dare.
Call me bitter or whatever, but the tale of Axl in a white horse apologizing to Stephanie I can't find it "adorable" nor "cute" or even think of it as "what we do for love...". All I can think of it, as well as him threatening Erin to marry him, is that the guy was fucking CLUELESS about what love is about, relationships are about and that none of his extraordinaire acts of "Love" were worth a crap because in the end, all he did was scare those women away.
What Erin and Stephanie needed were not white horses and caged birds, but a guy who would treat them WELL, like decent persons, like human beings, not things he could buy with money and extravagant bullshit.
I agree, though I do think his intentions were good and his emotions very much real. It's not cute or adorable, it's a symptom of how very screwed up he was.
I guess it all comes back to that issue we recently discussed in relation to Slash and the other guys in the band- Axl likes making grand gestures, but he doesn't know how to properly communicate or express love. What relationships and love really are about, as you said.
The shit Axl did in his romantic relationships are perfect examples of ridiculously grand gestures again. Riding in on white horse, caged birds, threatening to kill himself for love- that's the kind of thing you find in books and movies, in everything from classic literature to crappy daytime TV dramas. And that's probably where he (subconsciously or consciously) got these ideas from too. Since he didn't exactly grow up in a very loving environment, media depictions of "love" probably were his main reference point for that kind of thing, as sad as it is.
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21 hours ago, Frey said:
That's true, I've noticed that as well. Pictures like the one @SerenityScorp posted earlier are pretty rare, usually he's just scowling and looking uncomfortable and tense. I saw these pics of Axl and Erin somewhere on Instagram recently and Axl is so fucking tense in them. Everytime I see these pics I'm like "Dude, that's your girlfriend you're holding there, not a fucking grenade! Chill out."
These, right?
I always think he looks really tense and awkward in these as well (though part of it might be the just the back thing/hunching his shoulders issue we discussed at some point in this thread).
Still like these pictures way better than any pictures of Axl and Steph though. Stephanie's fake-ness just shines through in every picture and ruins them.
I also really like these:
My absolute favorite pictures though....
16 hours ago, killuridols said:... are all pics from this photoshoot.
They were both so gorgeous that day
On 11.12.2016 at 3:23 PM, lilacmess said:I'm from Graz, but live in Villach now.
Oh wow, another Austrian, yay!
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3 minutes ago, killuridols said:
I don't think they are lying @Lumikki
It is too many people telling the same kind of stories. Besides, who would want to joke or lie about a suicidal person?
Unfortunately, Axl is (or was) suicidal and people around him fear for this
Exactly. Way too many people telling similar stories and joking or lying about it would be pretty fucked up. That's why I think all these stories are probably true as well.
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22 hours ago, Blackstar said:
As I see it now, I don't think so. Apart from the expenses, the year period the shows will take place is the most difficult for me to take a leave from work.
But I don't mind so much. I was lucky to see the 4/5 of the original band and now at least I'll have reviews/impressions from all of you
Maybe the small chance you mentioned really will work out! I agree with @killuridols, you really deserve to go see them live and the Paris show you're thinking about is probably going to be one of the most epic ones
On 7.12.2016 at 0:07 PM, lilacmess said:Me too! Whooohooo!
Awesome! Where are you from @lilacmess?
1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:I've been in contact with ticketmaster all day yesterday. They said VIP nation is the provider. VIP nation say they aren't doing the London show, just the others lol it says VIP nation on the e mail. Basically, someone messed up and now they're covering it up. Ticketmaster said they will refund me for my tickets and I can try my luck in general sale, robbing gits!!
And saw with my own eyes those packages with hotels that people will have bought and there isn't one.
The only UK show and already it's going way wrong. It gives me an edgy feeling about it.
Oh shit. I feel for you, ticketmaster and livenation both screwed up here as well with the tickets (though not to the extent you are describing) and it makes mad just to think about it.
These assholes are trying to screw you over pretty badly, it's total bullshit Maybe if you're persistent enough and annoy the hell out of them, they'll offer you something better?
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that things will work out for you somehow.
9 minutes ago, killuridols said:52 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:I need this book I need this book I need this book!!!!!
Ok, do you girls think now that it makes much more sense why we see TB around Axl day and night?
He's like a baby, like a 3 year old that needs constant watch or could end up really bad.
I really hope there aren't guns in Axl's house (because this also reminds me of the excerpts posted here before from Mick Wall's book about Axl and a gun). People like this should not have any element of danger around them.
Makes me worried..... I feel like he's not really well
So Axl doesn't just jump out of moving cars, he jumps out of flying helicopters too?
Assuming all these stories by Baz, Mick Wall, Doug Goldstein, Bryn Bridenthal, Slash, etc. are true (and I personally think they probably are) and there really is always a risk of Axl harming himself in some way, I might have to cut TB some slack on that. Especially Beta, since she was the one who supposedly kept calling Doug Goldstein in desperation when Axl was crying in his bed and messing around with a gun. That probably left a lasting impression on her too.
If Axl is really this... fragile and unstable, I probably wouldn't let him out of my sight either tbh.
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46 minutes ago, The Cosmic Ted said:
That sucks.
You should check if someone is selling GC tickets for Vienna. I know the prices can be ridiculous but it's better than nothing?
Yeah, @Andy14 and me will try to find some other ways to get our hands on GC tickets, but it will be so much harder and I wanted to be done with this shit already. And we wasted money on Nightrain for nothing
25 minutes ago, dgnr said:Sorry to hear it, girl! But you can't buy them on Saturday when the actual sale starts? As I'm not on Nightrain, so I'm just gonna buy my ticket on Saturday and I think Golden Circle will be available
How do you know GC tickets will be available if they are already sold out now? (I could buy any other kind of ticket just fine, but if I select the GC ones, it says not available anymore).
Are there different contingents of GC tickets for different dates and vendors? Meaning that it's only the Nightrain pre-sale GC tickets that are sold out already, but they might still have some left for regular sale?
Does anyone know how this generally works?
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Can I rant and cry?
@Andy14 and me signed up for Nightrain just to get Golden Circle tickets and we wanted to get some for Vienna earlier and they are already sold out Pre-sale only starts tomorrow, but the dumb GC tickets apparently have all sold out via Nightrain already or something. I'm so mad and I wanna cry.
Even worse, I can't even buy one of these useless horribly expensive VIP Golden Circle packages because no matter where I try to buy these from (directly from Nightrain or on the ticketmaster site), it always just directs me back to ticketmaster's main page. All the links are useless. WTF???
I hate this shit.
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9 hours ago, Darkenchantress said:This is random but, any of you guys watch Supernatural? Cause the whole last episode, titled "Rock never dies" was like a big shameless criticism at the GnR reunion. They even said "what'd make the fans happier is new music"
I watch Supernatural, it's the only show I've stuck with for 12 freaking seasons.
I haven't watched the latest couple of episodes, but now I'll have to catch up I guess I love when they throw in classic rock or metal references like that.
38 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:I'm trying to think of a good theory for the cherries, but that stupid 'She's My Cherry Pie' song popped into my head first and won't go away.
And now, thanks to you, it's stuck in my head too
But I seriously can't think of anything either regarding the cherries. Maybe he just saw them and liked them and there's no big mystery behind it.
Also random, but I saw this on Tumblr.
Don't know if this is from this year's Thanksgiving or an older post, but I think it's sweet that the first thing she mentions being thankful for are her brothers. Always good to see they're still close.
And she considers the Lebeises her adopted family too (though I sort of knew that already, I've read something similar before somewhere...).
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New to me
(The writing itself isn't very interesting, just boring blabla we already know, so I didn't bother translating it.)
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Too fucking tired to comment on anything serious, but interesting post, @Blackstar. I didn't know about some of the stuff in your last post.
1 hour ago, Frey said:Fanfiction about Axl finding a wife?!
I thought all fanfiction was about Axl and Slash (or Axl and Izzy) realizing their love for each other and living happily ever after. Or having soap opera-ish relationship drama.
Or just straight-up porn about Axl and Slash (or others) fucking each other.
That's the impression I got from this thread and the various girls who are into that. Never involved any women.
1 hour ago, SerenityScorp said:Nope not all of it, Some straight, some humour, some even angst N'not all of Them soap opera ish
also not all of Them are story of fucking each other
Fanfic kinda like short novel of any genre but with real character like Bands Actors, etc or fiction char from game, movies, etc./ not original character
Once again I seriously recommendof SLaxl19, Great writing, but angst.
I guess it depends on the platform. On places like rockfic.com it's mostly slash fiction as far as I'm aware. Slash = the gay kind of fan fiction, so with GNR you actually can read slash fiction about Slash if you are so inclined
I've noticed the kids on Tumblr write lots of weird self-insert stuff where you're supposed to imagine yourself in these little stories though. It creeps me out to be honest. I don't want to imagine myself in any of these weird-ass scenarios and I don't see the point. And they're really short too. Blah. When I was a kid, the only thing that existed was stuff about Axl and Slash, Axl and Izzy or Slash and Duff basically. Either of the romance or the porn variety usually lol. That's what I was raised on and everything else seems weird to me #grumpyoldlady
Though I have to agree with @SerenityScorp, from the little I've seen (I'm not very up to date on these matters anymore) it really isn't all about relationship drama and fucking these days. There seems to be a lot more short novel-like stuff with all kinds of plots and from all kinds of genres. I've been meaning to read that Victorian era England horror story that was recently posted, but haven't gotten around to it.
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This is one of my favorite pics of Izzy. He looks so sweet and innocent there
4 hours ago, KiraMPD said:Maybe he was upset about the some of the stories from the Hell House. Or perhaps the weird threesome when Izzy came on Slash...?
Everyone likes Duff!
You know, I could definitely see Izzy not being thrilled about Slash making stories like that public
And I have to stick up for Izzy whe it comes to Slash's and Izzy's relationship. Slash has been a real asshole towards Izzy a couple of times, but I've read more or less every Izzy interview in existence and Izzy has always been very nice towards Slash, sometimes even coming across as very worried about Slash (and the other guys too, but I specifically remember him talking about Slash's drug use in an interview).
@SerenityScorp I'm not surprised Izzy would go to art shows. He likes to draw himself and I remember him talking about how important the artwork in album booklets is and how much he loved looking at these things when he was young. And he also apparently enjoyed art class together with Axl, so...
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10 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:
Couldnt that also be perceived as a grand gesture as @Lumikki described he does too?
I think it counts as the kind of thing Slash described. I mean what's more grand than declaring your gratitude and love for someone in front of thousands of people live on stage?
Wonder what kind of grand gestures Axl did for Slash though.
22 hours ago, KiraMPD said:The thing is, I completely agree with that. The manager should manage the band and take care of the business aspect of things and keep the talent's best interest in mind. You don't want the manager to dictate the artist's material!
Stage fright/anxiety issues make so much sense in hindsight. But then I look at all of the old recording and bootlegs and it just boggles the mind... Out of all the musicians I've seen, Axl seemed the most natural on stage. He wasn't overly theatrical, didn't seem choreographed, spoke to the audience as though he was looking each and every person in the eye and generally treated the stage as though it was his own personal playground. So when I look at his performance I think, "THAT guy has stage fright? WTF?!"
Obviously the logical part of me admits that one can be a phenomenal performer and have stage fright as well...
Yeah, I agree with you (and Axl as well). The thought of Niven meddling with GNR's music doesn't thrill me at all. There are more diplomatic ways of dealing with that situation though than throwing his work out of the window. But we're talking about Axl here, so...
21 hours ago, Blackstar said:The irony is that, not long after, Niven broke up with his wife because she was cheating on him with the singer of Great White. Niven says in Mick Wall's book that this was an additional reason for his "breakdown" and his belief that he was under "psychic attack" from Axl and Yoda
Yeah, I sort of was aware that Niven didn't actually stay together forever with his wife, but this is even worse than I thought.
21 hours ago, Blackstar said:In Mick Wall's book he says that back then (during the UYI tour) he thought he was doing the right thing when he wouldn't let Slash and Duff talk to Axl and confront him, but now he regrets doing it:
Bah, reading this makes me so angry. On what planet is isolating people from each other and zero communication the key to success?
And yeah, Axl is sensitive, but he's not completely beyond being reasoned with. I refuse to believe it was completely impossible to talk to Axl about whatever problems and difficulties may have arisen. That's never the impression I got from him.
(Not to mention that Slash and Duff, even as fucked up as they were, would surely have been capable of phrasing things in slightly more constructive ways than "You're being a big fucking cunt." should they have really needed to/been expected to.)
Kindergarden children are better at this communication thing than they are.
I agree with you about him lying before about the Barcelona thing.
3 hours ago, lilacmess said:I'm probably far off, but this excerpt actually reminds me of the first verse of 'Better':
No one ever told me when
I was alone
They just thought I'd know better, betterI don't think it's far off, I've wondered before if these lines refer to stuff like the mistakes he made in dealing with his band mates.
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38 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:
@Lumikki this part of your post reminds me of what someone told Rolling Stone magazine.
I was just re reading that the other day. Pretty sad.
Good point. I remember reading that, but had totally forgotten about it. Between Dougie, Beta and the anonymous friend above claiming that Axl has has trouble showing love and affection, it's probably true. Though Beta has also said that Axl's a lot better about this kind of thing now and is used to cuddling and kissing now because they're big on that in their family.
I think it also fits with the thing Slash has said about Axl liking to make up with grand gestures. People who are terrible at showing their love often try to do so by giving expensive gifts or making grand gestures in my experience.
39 minutes ago, Crazedlioness said:Yeah like I said, he licked his own ass quite a bit as he usually does and wow can't even fathom the effort you must have put into this. The one thing that struck me in this interview is when he says the thing about him being in a different country while slash and duff signed off the gnr name even though slash and duff basically blame it all on him. I don't think he's lying about that tbh
Nah, I was just making notes for myself while listening to it and just prettied them up a little now. But I didn't mention the thing with the contract because some days ago I think @Blackstar said something about Dougie recently admitting that he was in the same country after all. So it seems like he straight-up lied about that one.
1 hour ago, KiraMPD said:Honestly, I feel like I can trust neither when they talk about Axl. Alan Niven always comes across like a bitter ex with an axe to grind while Doug Goldstein is often a little too complimentary and his "stories" are a little fantastical and over-dramatic (to the point that it sometimes sounds made-up). I just try to keep an open mind about it and find as many sources as possible...
In addition to that, could someone tell me (with sources) if Alan Niven and Doug Goldstein had/have their own substance abuse problems? 'Cuz in a lot of their interviews they don't seem quite all "there", ya know what I mean?
Dougie mentions having some kind of disorder in that interview that makes him manic, without the depressive part. I can totally believe it; he's constantly yelling, it's like he can't talk without yelling. It was actually hurting my ears after some time. Comes across as really hyper and choleric and can't stop giggling at his own jokes.
Niven definitely engaged in his fair share of drugs and alcohol. He used to do drugs and drink with the band, which the band didn't like according to Doug Goldstein.
14 minutes ago, killuridols said:@Lumikki is that Doug interview from 2015 or a recent one?
It's the 2015 one. But I had never actually listened to it and decided to finally bite the bullet some days ago lol.
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Lovely pictures @Andy14! Keep 'em coming (And I do indeed love that pic of young glammy Axl )
1 hour ago, Crazedlioness said:Have any of you heard the Doug Goldstein interview with Mitch lafon? It's very interesting and although he does seem to be licking his own ass quite a bit in the interview he also shares a good few stories showcasing Alan nivens assholeness and he does say that Alan niven lies a lot and hates axl and I have to say I believe him. So I don't really trust anything Alan said in the Mick wall interviews. Ps. I can't hear axl in the video either
I listened to it recently after @Blackstar had mentioned it and actually typed some of it down while listening (which was excruciating, because Dougie on audio is even more obnoxious than in writing, incredibly enough). My comments are in purple because it was a confusing white mess before that.
Some random things that stood out to me:
- Dougie told a story about how he trained Slash to stop destroying hotel rooms. Came across as really condescending to me, no wonder Slash hated him. Also called Steven a doll and a sweetie, which was kind of weird along the same lines.
- As Mick Wall recently wrote in his book, the thing about Niven and Izzy were really into "black magic" and going to New Orleans a lot together because of that came up again. Maybe that's why Niven is so paranoid about Satan now
- Is there a giant vault of unreleased GNR songs? - Nope, as far as Dougie knows there aren't any.
- Axl met Yoda through Suzy London (I knew that already), and he had a lot of faith in Suzy and the regression therapy they were doing together. And since it was a lot about faith it was kind of like a religion and therefore a sensitive topic according to Dougie. The rest of the band complained to Dougie that Yoda was a fucking whackjob, but criticizing people's religion never goes well and so they just gave him his space and went with it, despite the fact that Dougie was aware that these people were in no way qualified, doctors or anything like that. Sharon was just a housewife, according to Dougie, but he thinks Axl would still be involved with Yoda if she hadn't died
- Mitch Lafon asked Dougie about the letter Frey posted a while ago. Doug proudly admits that he wrote that letter and gave it to Beta. Shortly after it ended up on the internet somehow. He never expected that letter to become public knowledge. One wonders who put it onto the net? Axl?
- The thing Courtney Love yelled to Axl at that MTV event (?) apparently was "Hey, look it's Asshole Rose. Hey, asshole!" And in general, Axl only reacted with anger towards Kurt/Nirvana because his feelings were really hurt. Because he loved Kurt and didn't expect what he got.
- Axl likes doing things that will go down in history.
About Alan Niven and Axl:
- Goldstein kept comparing Niven and Axl to his own father and his brother, who had some kind of mental illness (manic-depressive, iirc). Apparently Dougie's father was a tyrant and his brother a genius manic-depressive genius or something. And Axl's and Niven's relationship apparently was just the same as his father's relationship with his brother; yet another tyrant figure unable to get along with the menatlly ill kid... Yeah, okay, whatever. And I guess I could see how a dominant father figure/tyrant type of manager would immediately rub Axl the wrong way because of his childhood experiences.
- At one point Alan Niven handed Axl song lyrics on the bus. Axl opened the bus window and threw Niven's lyrics out, saying "I don't want my manager to hand me songs, I want you to be my manager." (That's... such an Axl thing to do.)
- Niven hated Axl. He hated Axl from day one. It was Niven's idea to kick Axl out of the band in the 80s and he got the others on board with it, but they apparently weren't so sure or something because they asked Doug what he thought about that and Doug basically told them it was a stupid idea (wow; something I agree with Doug on ).
- Niven always talked about Axl in really disparaging and denigrating ways and one day Dougie realized that he'd never heard Axl talk as horribly about Alan as Alan Niven talked about Axl. So he figured Axl was the better person between the two and decided to stay with Axl instead of going with Niven. (Very similar to Beta's reasoning as to why she chose Axl over Steph Seymour. Funny how they all choose to stay with Axl because he's just such a good person. Surely no other reasons at all )
- Niven hadn't spoken to Axl in 9 months at one point, because he was too busy doing Great White stuff. (Great job managing GNR there. No wonder other morons like Dougie had an easy time taking over )
- One day Dougie was talking to Axl on the phone about the annullment of his marriage to Erin, when Axl asked to talk to Niven. Dougie thought this was a great idea to get Niven back into Axl's good graces, but Niven wasn't having it. He took the phone and told Axl "Wow, how fucking sad for you. Yet again you failed at something. At the end of the day, when I lay my head down next to my wife, I know that we're together forever. Yet again you've managed to fuck something up." And then he hung up.
Now I'm the last person to excuse what Axl did to Erin and their marriage not working out was indeed mostly on Axl, but fuck. Could he be any more cruel? "Yet again you failed at something." "Yet again you've managed to fuck something up." And rubbing his happy relationship with his wife under his nose. If this was the kind of manner in which he usually talked to Axl, then I really can't blame Axl for wanting to get rid of him. Not to mention that this kind of thing surely didn't help his insecurity issues and fears about not being good enough either.
Anyway, after that conversation, Dougie called Slash in desperation and asked him what to do because things between Axl and Niven clearly weren't getting better/working out again. But Slash was done with Niven too because Niven had apparently tried to fuck Slash's fiance Renee at a party, so Slash just said "I'm fucking done with this, I can't do this anymore. Ask him what he wants and pay him off." And that's how Niven's time in GNR ended.
About Axl and Axl's relationship with Slash and the band:
- Dougie told a funny story about how Axl was both impressed and terrified by Slash's song writing (stuff like Coma and Locomotive): "I would get these phone calls from Axl, saying 'You wouldn't fucking believe what he (Slash) has written now. How am I supposed to write lyrics to that?!"
- "Axl has this incredible inherent fear of not being able to pull it off live."; "I don't even know if it should be called stage fright, I'd call it a fear of failing."; "Axl was constantly having issues with his throat. Now combine that with his fear of going on stage and failing. And that's the reason he takes so long to get ready for a show."
That's one thing Alan Niven and Doug Goldstein agree on. Niven has also talked about Axl suffering from extreme stage fright and having some anxiety issues related to that.
- ML: "Would you say Axl is misunderstood?" Doug: "COMPLETELY! Even by his own band members. He loves those guys, he loves those guys. I can't speak to today, but... I have to say that my perception has always been that Axl loved them way more than they knew and people would argue with me 'actions speak louder than words', but you know, Slash would come to me -and again, I had the ability to grow up with a manic-depressive in my room- and Slash would come up to me and say: 'he's acting like an irrational fucking asshole!' and I'd go 'oh right, this is the point where I defend him for his irrational acts'. Can't be done."
ML: Do you think Axl is still manic-depressive, or do you think he's managed to get that under control? Doug: I don't think that ever goes away. It never goes away.
- "Axl always wants to do things right. And one of the things that's been frustrating for me, because he does that with his own band members, Axl LOVES Slash and Duff and Izzy, obviously, because of growing up with him, he LOVES those guys, but he doesn't know how to communicate it. So whenever we'd have some shit go down, the band was kind of left not really understanding why things were happening. I would try and communicate Axl's position, but it's always been pretty frustrating to me that Axl refuses to stick up for himself in ANY situation.
This I can absolutely believe. Knowing how to show love and communicating it is something you learn, usually from your family, but if you don't learn it there, well. I remember Beta also said something similar once about Axl not knowing how to give and receive love and affection when she met him. The thing about Axl not sticking up for himself... I've heard this before from someone else (Baz maybe?).
- About Slash playing with Michael Jackson: "When Axl fell out of love with Slash, it's this instance. It's not Slash's side, clearly, but I was there, I was living it and Axl... He was IN TEARS when Slash went to play with Michael. We had absolute knowledge of the allegations. Axl had courageously spoken about his childhood in Rolling Stone, and it was absolutely uncomprehensible to him that Slash, who he loved and felt like was his partner all the way down the line in GNR, would actually go against how he felt towards child molestation, particularly over a big screen TV. That was the straw that broke the camels back. But in fairness, I didn't say that's not why Slash and Duff left, not even close, but that is when Axl disengaged as to thinking that Slash was his partner in GNR.
ML: It was a sense of betrayal, I guess? Doug: Yeah, big time.
I remember when this story first appeared in the Brazilian Rolling Stone or something, people called bullshit. But I'm convinced it's true. For one thing, Marc Canter said the same thing in the recent BBC documentary. And for another, this is exactly the kind of thing Axl would really get upset and hurt about while Slash might not even have been thinking too much about it. And Doug doesn't sound like he's lying or making something up if you listen to him actually tell this story.
Not gonna lie, Axl actually crying because Slash went to perform with MJ makes me want to cry too. To Axl, it probably looked liked getting a fucking TV as payment for appearing with MJ was more important to Slash than all the shit Axl had gone through as a child (and I have no doubt Axl told Slash all about that).
What an awful situation.
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19 hours ago, Rocketqueen76 said:Okay can someone help me out...there is a picture out there of Axl and Slash were Axl is underneath Slash's guitar strap. What concert is that from and where can I find the pic?
17 hours ago, nonok said:15 hours ago, nonok said:16 hours ago, Rocketqueen76 said:Judging by the presence of eyeshadow, those pics were from maybe '88-'89?
Yep, most likely '88, since they only did 8 shows in '89.
Judging by their clothes and jewelry these pictures are from one of the Marquee shows in London in 1987. First time they ever played in Europe.
There are tons of beatiful pics from these shows. I love these of Izzy and Axl.
This Slaxl one is also really nice:
And these ones with Duff and Axl:
Slash:
Axl:
All these pictures of Axl wearing purple leather pants and lots of purple eye shadow are also also from these Marquee shows, though a different night I guess.
I'm not gonna post them all because there are tons of them, but there's this nice Slaxl moment in these. Look at Axl's hand in Slash's hair
Such beautiful boys, all of them
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@dgnr Happy belated birthday! Does Slash posing with a picture of Axl count as a Slaxl pic? It's the only Slaxl-ish thing I've got on my phone at the moment
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@Blackstar and @MillionsOfSpiders - thank you for sharing these things from Mick Wall's book. Really interesting.
I agree that lying on his bed crying/gun story is probably true, as sad as it is. It's not exactly unheard of behavior for Axl.
I don't even care if he was truly suicidal or if he just wanted to be "loved and cared for" (as Doug Goldstein says). Either way, it's heart-breaking and a cry for help.
I even feel sorry for Beta if she really kept calling Doug Goldstein in hysterics because she thought Axl was going to kill himself.
Axl must have been so miserable during the mid 90s. According to that Dougie quote Axl loved Slash to death and was devastated about Slash leaving (just like we here figured out long ago ). That alone would have been enough to push a sensitive guy like Axl over the brink, not to mention all the other shit that happened around that time.
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The thing about Erin and Axl talking to each other
I don't think it was just Erin though that brought Axl and Slash back together. Axl finally being ready to give Slash a call was probably the result of him having contact and talking to people from his "old life" again. Duff, Erin apparently, and probably a few others too...
7 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:I loved reading the part about Axl telling Niven to go and tell Mick Jagger he was going to be late for the rehearsal of Salt Of The Earth, but he didn't dare go, so he left Izzy to take all the flak from Mick and Keith. Poor Izzy said they were fuming and when Axl finally turned up he had a lame excuse about missing a flight or something so Keith went mad and told him "well I slept in a fucking chandelier last night and I'm on time"
Long live Keef
I love the thought of Keef and Mick scolding Axl for being tardy
@KiraMPD Never noticed that moment and I don't think anyone has posted it before. Well spotted Bit of an aggressive/dominant move by Axl
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27 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:
Girls can be called buddies, can't they?
Doesn't that piss you off if people take credit though? I think you should make a twitter account just to show them this abomination.I don't know, you're the native English speaker here, not me Just seemed like something I've only seen used in reference to guys.
And yeah, it kind of does piss me off, but what are you gonna do? Unlike some people, I learned long ago that you can't control the internet
26 minutes ago, Padme said:If he is still checking the forum he is gonna see it. There is no way out for you
Yeah, you're probably right, I'm dead meat either way. Especially if
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16 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:
You're welcome buddy
Seriously though, you need to tweet this to Axl and GNR immediately.Just now, Oldest Goat said:it is now my all-time favourite post. @Lumikki Please tweet it to them I'm not exaggerating or being sarcastic they literally need to see it. Can you even imagine their expressions when they see this shit? lmfao
I'm a girl lol.
I don't even have Twitter and Axl's gonna kill me if he sees that monstrosity
(I figure they will see it somehow sooner or later anyway. Either someone else tweets it to them or it will make its way onto Instagram or whatever. I've seen some of my other stuff spread around on Instagram by random people before so...)
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Uhm... thanks Glad to see people still think it's funny, even out of context (I made this ages ago to illustrate a discussion going on in the women's thread at that time lol).
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How do we know that? Maybe he does while the band is being photographed elsewhere. So far we only know he didn't go out with TB once for the F1 event, no other cases I know of.
It's pretty obvious if you follow Axl's entourage on Instagram and if you read what fans in the various countries they're staying at have to say. It's nearly always the same- everyone (including TB) is out and about, but Axl is never seen.
I can also confirm that from personal experience. Axl and ACDC were in Vienna for a week and I hung around the area they were staying at for a couple of days, and I talked to the papparazzi, ACDC fans etc. there who were also lurking about.
I saw everyone - Fernando, Vanessa, Vanessa's husband and kid, their nanny, Axl's bodyguard, Axl's physical therapist, Angus, Angus' wife, all the other guys in ACDC - being out and about every day. They constantly walked around to go shopping, sightseeing, to go out to eat, to walk the dog, to jog, they went to the zoo, they did all kinds of things. Even Beta went out sightseeing at least once that I know of.
But you know what Axl did? Nothing. He didn't leave his hotel room for an entire damn week (except to go to the show).
He would have had plenty of occasions to go out with TB. He could have gone to the zoo with them. He could have visited the churches they visited with them. He could have joined them in their shopping trips or when they went out to eat. (It would even have been relatively easy and hassle free for him. Not too many people would have recognized him or cared around here. Angus walked around with no problems and no bodyguards every day.)
But Axl didn't do any of that. On one day I asked Vanessa if Axl was going to come out today. She replied "No, Axl isn't going to come out today." And I could already tell by the way she said that that Axl wasn't going to come out any other day either. Which turned out to be true.
And I've read similar things from fans all over the world, it's (nearly) always the same.
Axl not going out has nothing to do with Slash or Duff. Like @KiraMPD and @Frey said, he doesn't go out with anyone, not even his own entourage most of the time.
And yes, I do find that worrisome as well.
1 hour ago, KiraMPD said:Because in this day and age we would have seen something on social media? Because according to @dgnr Beta said "Axl doesn't leave the room too often"? Although I could understand if you don't consider Beta a reliable source... A bunch of other reports that have come out so far suggest that Axl is not leaving the hotel at least.
But maybe your right! Maybe Axl is secretly going out with and living it up with his "other friends". He's never been spotted cuz he's such a master of disguise dontcha know!
And also this, yes.
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6 minutes ago, killuridols said:
I don't remember receiving presents from my friends parents either as a kid but as an adult, I have and I gave to her too, since we have had them invited for Christmas dinner.
Don't get what's so weird about it.... Or is it that in your cultures you are only allowed to receive presents from your families only?
Hah no, it's perfectly fine to receive presents from all kinds of people, but usually you get them from people you are close to. And who is close to their friends' parents? Not that many people in my experience (may be different in other countries).
My friends' parents are people that I chat to politely when I run into them or when I'm at their house, but I don't hang out with them and am not close enough with them to exchange or give presents.
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That story stuck out to me as well.
Because in my whole life I have never received a Christmas gift from one of my friends' mothers.
Not even as a kid, so I think that is quite uncommon.
Then again, Axl did apparently spend a lot of time making noise in the Isbells' garage lol.
4 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:Nah, it's not really the norm to get a Christmas present from your friends parents, unless they feel sorry for you. My friends mum bought me and my sister a present each one year when my parents split up and I used to hang around their house all the time. I was fucking embarrassed by it though. Weird how your brain processes things as a kid.
I think maybe Izzys mum felt bad for Axl. If his teachers knew his difficulties at home then she probably did too.
Yeah, getting Christmas presents from your friends' parents seems unusual to me too. I've known my best friend for 16 years or so and have often been at her family's home, but I've never received a gift from her mom and would feel really strange giving her one as well. Have never heard of anyone else receiving or exchanging gifts with friends' moms either.
I also agree that Izzy's mom probably knew about Axl's home life and likely felt bad for him if she's as nice as the guy in the other thread (and Izzy himself) said. I would probably have felt like doing something nice for the poor kid as well and would probably have embarrassed the fuck out of him by doing so (because I totally get what you're saying @MillionsOfSpiders, I would have felt the same way as a kid as you did).
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Hmm, I expected this thread to be a lot longer. Seems like it's not only me who's busy with real life lately
Anyway, I came across these German articles and thought of this thread (I'm guessing Bravo magazine, which is the ultimate trashy gossip rag, so take everything with a grain of salt).
So.... trashy (but mostly cute) gossip ahead:
The truth about the wild macho: Axl the "houseman" (meaning a male eqivalent of a housewife, I guess you would call it a stay-at-home dad/husband these days).
Stephanie: "Axl is the most sensitive, honest and open man I know. He is affectionate/tender and empathetic. He loves my son and embraces his father role. It's a pity the world doesn't know him like I do, but thinks of him as some kind of monster."
Axl, says Stephanie, is definitely no macho guy, quite the opposite:
"We often go grocery shopping together and we cook together. And it's not uncommon for him to bring me breakfast in bed."
Somehow I have a hard time picturing Axl and Steph in grocery store, debating over the perfect head of broccoli or something But I do like the idea of Axl doing normal every day things like that.
There's also this:
"Drugs, beatings and tender sex: Ex-girlfriend of GNR boss Axl Rose openly talks about her time with wild Axl for the first time. The story of a love without happy end..."
Blablabla Gina (27, university graduate, married) met Axl in Lafayette and was attracted to him because he was a "bad boy" (there's some talk about Axl's run in with the law in Lafayette).
"He smashed everything in my apartment to pieces. And I wasn't safe from him either on several occasions."
But there was also a different side to him: "Axl was very sweet and tender in bed, although he was pretty inexperienced/awkward."
He asked her to marry him nine times, but she refused: It would have been the downfall of them both. She left him when Axl moved in with Slash (ngl, that sentence made me lol )
What remained of their love? Gina: "The last time I saw him was in 1987. He offered me an autograph."
(There's more after that, but the text is cut off there).
I thought I had read everything Gina has said, but apparently not?
At least I don't remember her talking about what sex with Axl was like in these other interviews we discussed here
I also came across an interview with Slash, but I'm too lazy to translate that at the moment. Will do that later.