Lumikki

21 hours ago, Johnny Nightrain said:

Also, I can't find my original picture (I took it like ten years ago), but this is supposedly the house where Axl grew up, according to a private source.

https://goo.gl/maps/dBEN6eujPX92

Additionally, and I'm not going to link to it, but if you search Tippecanoe County court records using Izzy's real name, you can see his speeding tickets. Most of them have a Santa Monica address, which I think it just a business address, but one has the address of the property where he was in the '90s in Indiana.

Yes, I think this is the correct house and not the one discussed earlier in this thread.

I remember seeing pictures of that house years ago in some documentary or maybe here on the forum.

The pictures of Axl standing in the backyard of his childhood home look like they were taken there as well.

(This is why I can't stand misinformation being spread around; in this case it makes people go to  some effort to visit a house that probably has nothing to do with Axl.)

1 hour ago, KiraMPD said:

I don't know why, but I just stumbled across this old article:-

"The Hard Truth About Guns N' Roses" - Finally, some bad boys who are good

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-hard-truth-about-guns-n-roses-19881117

Has anyone else read this? It's interesting even though it reads like a fanfiction at times....

Yes, I've read this and I agree that it reads like (bad) fanfiction or Tumblr crap at times. Especially this part:

A second ago, things were merely tense.

Izzy Stradlin, Guns n' Roses' scruffy rhythm guitarist, is slumped on a dressing-room counter, sullenly draining his second bottle of red wine and testing the wattage of a portable stereo.

Sitting on a couch, trying to talk above the racket, are Axl Rose, the group's singer, and Slash, the lead guitarist. Slash, whose copper skin is still wet from a post-concert shower, is wearing shorts and holding a bottle of Jack Daniels, his only constant companion. Axl is wearing jeans, cowboy boots and a T-shirt that says, WELCOME TO DETROIT, MURDER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Axl and Slash are getting increasingly angry with Izzy, who grins obliviously and cranks up the Rolling Stones' "Stupid Girl."

At the base of the wall nearest the door, there is a fresh hole the exact size of Axl's boot. This evening's concert, the last of three mid-August dates opening for Aerosmith at Pine Knob Music Theatre, near Detroit, went so poorly that the band left the stage five minutes early. And when the Gunners don't play well, trouble ensues. While the band members sit in the dressing room, their sound mixer and a bus driver are being fired for alleged incompetence.

Suddenly, there's an explosion. "Violent mood swing!" shouts Izzy, rolling from the counter. A bottle of vodka flies from his hand and smashes against the far wall. "Mood swing!" shouts Axl, leaping from the couch. He grabs a vase filled with roses and pitches it in the same direction.

Just as quickly, Izzy and Axl are seated again. But all that smashed glass hasn't relieved the tension. The bottle of vodka belonged to bassist Duff "Rose" McKagan, who is now without his favorite liquor and is therefore enraged. Slash, too, is pissed at Izzy, who still won't turn down the stereo.

"This is entertaining," says Axl, watching and smiling.

After Slash and Duff have finished yelling at him, Izzy turns remorseful. "Fuckin' Duff, man. I never like to break his vodka. I know he loves that vodka."

It has a lot of clichéd fanfiction characterisation:

Izzy being a little shit

Axl thriving on violence and chaos

Slash being sexy and liking whisky

Duff loves vodka and that's it

11 hours ago, Frey said:

@nonok I don't know if you were here for that or not, but I remember at some point in the thread people were posting tons of Slaxl fanart. I tried searching for it, but couldn't find it anymore or I would have linked you to that part of the thread

Only thing I found again was @Lumikkis Slaxl pic. Sorry I can't contribute more to the cause (I know, I'm failing my job).
 

On 3.9.2016 at 8:27 PM, Lumikki said:

Here's the Slaxl drawing you wanted to see. Keep in mind this is old as fuck, I started drawing this many years ago when I was still in school and bored during maths class or something. There's so much fail in this and so many things I'd do differently nowadays, but whatever. I was a kid and I don't have the motivation to correct/improve it these days.

I also found these. Again, these are oooooold. I probably made these around the same time as the Slaxl drawing.

 

12 hours ago, tiutso said:

can we have a stickied post or something about that slash screaming into mic vid. it crops up like every 50 pages or so it seems/

Yeah, I don't even remember anymore how many times that video of Slash "kissing" Axl has been posted by now.

I'd want a sticky post for all kinds of things actually.

Yeah I didnt post that during the time everyone was posting random fanart from Tumblr and deviantart, so that stuff is probably in a completely different part of the thread.

No idea where though.

I'd want a sticky and a fucking index/reference list, but at this point the thread is so long, it would be such a hassle to create something like that.

Blah.

51 minutes ago, Frey said:

Sorry, but this is such bullshit. You and everyone else swinging from Izzy's and Steven's nuts constantly reduce everyone who disagrees with you to simply being one of Axl's asslickers and it's so annoying and ridiculous.

I have never in my whole life talked shit about Slash or thought he was the devil. I hated NuGNR and only hoped that Slash (and the other guys) would return one day. And I certainly don't think Axl is god.

I also don't hate Izzy or Steven. Izzy always used to be my favorite Gunner, in fact.

But guess what? I'm still annoyed by the constant whining about Izzy and Steven not being involved (or not being involved enough), as well as by the continous over-glorification of both of them, and the simultanous disparaging of Slash, Axl and even Duff (of all people!).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. None of these guys are fucking saints. They're all assholes and difficult in their own ways, and the way some people here will praise Steven and Izzy to the high heavens while leaving no good hair on the other three is just so to me.

This.

I've always loved all the guys and never hated anyone just because Axl disapproved of them at the moment or whatever and I'm so sick of this ridiculous claim.

And bored to death by all the constant Steven and Izzy whining. It's the same thing over and over again. Izzy is god's gift to music and the coolest guy ever and his solo work is better than anything GNR could produce right now (lol I'm sorry, I love Izzy and a lot of his solo stuff, but a large part of it is just mediocre and boring), and Steven is just the most special little snowflake with the magical certain something (that I've never even been able to hear), and for that alone he deserves to be made full-time drummer, no matter what misgivings or concerns Duff, Slash and Axl might have. We don't actually know shit about what's going on behind the scenes and what the exact reasons for their various decisons are, but sure, let's whine about what we think (or want to think) in 500 different threads.

They're all stubborn idiots, things will work out between them or they won't.

9 hours ago, Jane M. said:

LMAO!!!

You see? Slaxl owns this thread.

Let me repost your masterpiece:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

They may own the thread, but I'm also up for discussing Axl and Izzy's hypothetical love children, if anyone feels the need to

Little dark-haired Axls. Tiny gingers with improved fashion sense.

7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

There are also pics of Duff and Sorum at the same workplace. They all must be from the pre-VR period.

 

This picture is such a mindfuck. It's like looking at both old and young Duff at once.

His face, hair and clothes mostly look like young Duff, but you can see traces of old Duff in his face, his body is old Duff's, the jeans are not 80s enough looking....

Really hot though

@Frey The crazy guy apparently kept asking Duff if Kurt was depressed on the flight when he sat next to him and shit like that.

24 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

Well said and thank you!

Really? Slaxl is the king of this thread. 

Well yeah, because these two idiots deliver most of the drama There's just more Slaxl-related things to talk about than about Sluff for example. Their relationship is nice and stable and cute, but kind of boring therefore

And with Axl and Izzy... they're both so private and reclusive, they haven't really given us anything new to work with in years. At least Izzy is changing that a bit now since he got a Twitter account 

Though I really loved the recent story about Axl and Izzy as kids in school, that was cute.

8 minutes ago, Frey said:

4 hours ago, Babooshka said:

There's no reason why he couldn't have a family of his own, or reconciled with Slash much sooner.

... or have a family with Slash.

LOL for real

(Remember when the topic of discussion in this thread was how Axl's and Slash's hypothetical love children would look like? Good times. )

1 hour ago, Crazedlioness said:

I think now more than ever I want izzy to join the reunion. Slash duff Susan and Meehan all seem to have this very tight nit group and they don't seem that open to let people in so in my opinion if izzy joined the tour axl would have a friend he could hang out with without feeling uncomfortable or awkward. I think axl and izzy just relate to each other more because they never really lost their friendship as they kept in contact throughout the years and even when they fought they always made up. I do believe they'll make up sooner rather than later and when they do axl will be extra happy. I know his friendship to duff and slash means a lot to him but I think his relationship to with izzy means the most. Axl said izzy is one of the people he cares about most in the world before and I think that's true to this day. All the shit izzy and him have said about each other was cause hey were always angry or in a fight but you could always tell they didn't mean it with hatred towards each other the way axl and slash have. Izzy also said in one of the interviews during one of the times they were not speaking 'I don't care if he hates me he's still my friend and well always be friends. I don't care what he says" and it wasn't said in a cute way but in 'bitch you're my friend so stfu and get over yourself' kind of a way which I found hilarious. He also waited for axl for four hours trying to convince him to go to the rnrhof but axl didn't show up so izzy didn't go either cause even though he was pissed off he didn't want to go without axl (this is according to Alan niven but I believe him in this case) idk to me it just seems like izzy always has cared about axl even when pissed off with him and axl needs someone who will just be his friend rather than a "bandmate" kind of friend. It just feel Iike then axl Will have someone on his side and won't be outnumbered by sluff if you guys know what I'm saying? 

Ps. I know axl duff and slash are all getting along but like idk it's not attack on them or anything 

I like your way of thinking (and welcome, by the way! ). I'm not sure that I'd agree about Axl loving Izzy more than the other guys, but they do have a special relationship and yes, having Izzy there to hang out with would be great for Axl. They're both single, unattached and free, can spend their time together while Slash and Duff hang out with their ladies.

It would also make me feel better lol. Because then I wouldn't be so worried about Slash and Duff excluding Axl and Axl feeling lonely or something, and I'd also feel better about Axl hanging out with someone who is not part of TB and the rest of the freak show.

@KiraMPD The story about Izzy waiting for Axl was told in a negative context (like everything Niven says about Axl ), but I still thought it was kind of touching that Izzy tried to convince Axl to go, and when that didn't work he decided that he wouldn't go either.

1 hour ago, Jane M. said:

@Crazedlioness Welcome to the jungle. 

What you said about Axl & Izzy... beware because this place is mostly about Slaxl (Slash & Axl). 

What? I'd say Izzy/Axl is perfectly fair game. I'm all about the Izzaxl goodness (see my avatar ). And the Sluff. And the Duff/Axl. And the Slaxl of course. Basically I'm into all of them being nice to each other lol. Unfortunately this rarely happens

7 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I never wanted to write this here before, cos I think all the Duff fans will get me  but when I see Duffs face I think it looks, I dunno if this makes sense,  grizzled. Like really haggard.

I love Duff, but I agree, yes. I think the problem with Duff and Izzy actually is how skinny they are. They have no fat on their bodies and also no fat on their faces therefore, which is making them look extra wrinkly. Slash and Axl have a bit more meat on their bones and it has the positive side effect of filling their faces out a bit more.

3 hours ago, Babooshka said:

My theory about Axl looking different is that it's partly down to his eyebrows. We all know the eyebrows can really change how a person looks, and back in the day Axl's were properly shaped, thicker and darker. He also did his lashes and eyes, because like Michael Caine his colouring is really fair. At some point he gave up on all that, and it was around that time he started to look different. Then he started using eyeliner again, but in a really unflattering way. I suspect Erin helped him in those early days, and tbh for that reason alone I think he should consider calling her, because his more recent look tells me the people around him don't know what they're doing.

I think so too. They revelled in the feud and used it to their advantage. It's so sad. I honestly think he'd have been better off without them. Whatever short-term benefits of having them in his life when he was struggling, is not worth the long-term consequences of lost years, co-dependance and control. Look at Amanda Bynes. He'd have been better off getting hospitalised, having a proper treatment plan in place with professionals and then getting on with his life. There's no reason why he couldn't have a family of his own, or reconciled with Slash much sooner.

Yep, eyebrows, lashes, etc can change a lot about how a person looks.

And yes, that's a good way of putting it, the short term benefits of TB really are not worth the long-term consequences.

1 hour ago, Ubukitty said:

Is that true about the e mails? This is the first I am hearing about that, but of course I'm a newbie here. I would like to think this isn't going on in his life.

Depends on how trustworthy you think MSL (a so-called insider, leaker of songs, documents etc) is. But recent developments (Pitman suing Axl for not paying him and talking about finanical issues) seem to indicate that these emails (there were like 100 of them, but only the titles, MSL never leaked the actual contents) were legit indeed, because a lot of them were also about financial stuff and people not getting paid.

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

 

Slash lol (and Axl looking )---@Archtop!

35 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

The range and versatility on Axl vocals is what I like the most. I wouldn't like him so much if his voice was only about the "rasp". I wish he used his baritone voice more too - some of the songs would sound better with it that they do now. As for the rest, I agree (although I think he's almost okay now weight-wise and I don't mind some of the hats).

Ahaha shake that booty, Slash!

And I'm listening to that Doug Goldstein interview right now. Jesus, he's awful to listen to

And yeah, agreed about his voice. His natural, deeper voice is actually my favorite probably and I wish he'd use it more often.

And Happy Birthday @Archtop!

2 hours ago, Andy14 said:

I think Axl looks great in the last pic. He's not fat at all, nor bloated. Of course, he'd look better with a smile on his face but don't forget he was there to have breakfast, not to take pictures. It's Axl after all, whatever he does, it will never be enough 

2 hours ago, tiutso said:

the way some people hate older people for, well, getting older is very to me

This. Axl looks perfectly alright for his age at the moment. I'd say pretty damn good even compared to 99% of other men his age. They all do. Aging is just a fact of life and they're not gonna escape it either.

And Axl's not fat at all. He's absolutely tiny when you stand next to him, both height-wise and also body mass wise. Certainly seemed tiny to me. That was in May. And since then he's lost quite a bit of weight, so I figure he's even tinier now.

Right now, Axl looks the best he's looked since 2006. In good shape, no ugly moustache, better clothes (for the most part...), etc. I can't complain too much.

On 6.11.2016 at 5:12 PM, Frey said:

Good point about the leaked emails. Those might not have been discussed back then and I think they aren't on the list. But now that it looks like they were actually legit, they deserve to be put on there. @Lumikki

Because yeah, "how to trick Axl". Urgh. I'd love to read that one. And Beta also went behind Axl's back with the whole Doug Goldstein thing that made Axl freak out enough to nearly fire her supposedly.

I will add

"Beta apparently writes emails with titles like "how to trick Axl" according to the leaked mails (which the Pitman debacle seems to indicate were true)."

and

"Beta and TB side and conspire with people like Doug Goldstein behind Axl's back."

to the great big list of shit TB have done

8 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Hey @Lumikki Axl and Duff played Argentina in 2014. Looks like Duff stayed with Axl in brothel-tel back then, maybe Susan was at home with the kids. Perhaps Duff stayed at the other one this time cos his wife came out?? 

Yeah I could imagine Susan not digging the brothel vibes

At this point, who knows why they were staying in different hotels. Maybe because Axl digs the creepy millionaire brothel vibe, maybe because it was safer from the fans, or maybe there was a booking or space issue with Four Seasons or something. As long as Axl staying in different hotels than the rest of the band doesn't become a trend, I'm not too bothered. We'll see how things continue in other cities.

1 minute ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It is the brothel-tel though right? I mean I looked at a ton of pics of it on google cos I'm a saddo and it looks exactly like it. Maybe Axl and Duff have been there before 

Yeah that's definitely Duff in Faena hotel in that pic. Vanessa posted a pic of her kid in the same hallway (or a similar one) on Instagram yesterday. It was even darker and creepier and looked like they'd dropped the poor kid into a horror movie.

Duff and Axl were both staying in that hotel when Duff was in SA with fake GNR. I figure that's probably when that pic was taken.

1 minute ago, KMS said:

I'm not sure if the photo is new, seems to me that Duff's hair are shorter than nowadays. Isn't from the previous time when he played with nuGnR in SA and then the whole band stayed in the same hotel as Axl?

Yeah you're right, his hair is different. How the hell didn't I notice that? I need to start paying more attention to Duff.

It was posted like a recent fan encounter on Instagram though I think. I hate when people do that.

And I hope Duff still went to hang out with Axl now, because GNR stayed in Argentina for a pretty long time. Would be sad if they never saw each other during that time, except on stage.

Here's something relevant to #hotelgate. Thanks go to @killuridols for finding this.

Do you see what that is? It's Duff in Axl's creepy ass brothel hotel.

So apparently Duff went there at least once to talk to Axl about something or just to hang out with him or whatever.

Once again, hooray for Duff always looking out for Axl

7 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

this one?

To add to the "angry" Slash collection (can't even really call it angry, because he always stays calm, more like annoyed):

"Are you looking to push my buttons? Cause we can stop the interview right now... You know, trying to get me to talk about things that you know I don't wanna talk about." (4:30)

(Also notable for the lack of sunglasses )

"We don't talk about Axl here. If you want to talk about Axl, go ask Axl." (0:48)

"I have no idea, I'm not in that band *smile**walks off*"

Pissy Slash is always fun to watch

I can never decide what my favorite part is in that Goldstein letter.

"Axl, YOU are the most intelligent and most misunderstood human being EVAH, it's all about YOU and YOUR dreams and YOU decide if and when YOU will grace me with YOUR time and presence."

or

"A vicious cancer that intentionally created decietful lies to muddy the waters of our once inseperable brotherhood"

or

"Ax, This is hard for me to write. I know you abhor this, but the fact is I LOVE YOU with all my Heart!!", followed by an Eminem quote.

If I didn't know TB, Doug Goldstein and how ridiculous everything about this band and Axl's life is, I wouldn't believe it. It's disturbing to see how involved Yoda and her creep husband are/were in Axl's financial and career decisions. And yes, all that talk about lies, deceit and cancers... Sounds just like Axl talking about Slash. Might really be something they picked up from the Maynards. Creepy.

(And how much ass can one man kiss? If everyone around Axl talks like that to him, then )

20 hours ago, Babooshka said:

Omg, what is this!? Drama follows this band everywhere! 

And yes, badass Duff is something.

Yeah, Duff can't even hold a book signing without drama. It truly is everywhere around them.

(But all the drama is probably why I still follow this band. Keeps things interesting at least, as long as nothing else is happening )

21 hours ago, starlight said:

aw Axl's  so sweet in this postcard! Don't let nothing get you down, we care  and lol at the others 

And angry Duff is scary  not someone I would mess with

19 hours ago, giuls said:

I love this postcard for some reason, Slash and Duff are supportive but kinda generic, Izzy gets threating, Axl assures her they care and he's actually sweet saying she's doing great and i can only read rock in Steven's message. (WTF at Poison retailing on Bridenthal when they had beef with Axl)

I love it too. Axl being unusually sweet is nice to see. And Izzy being threatening lol. I also like Duff's handwriting.

Steven's message reads "rock my world" I think.

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I came across this postcard when we were trying to figure out if the handwriting on a supposed "contract" found in a warehouse belonged to any of the band members. The story behind it:

This postcard sends support to Bridenthal who had been involved in a well publicized fight with some members of Poison backstage at the L.A. Forum.

Axl Rose had called Poison a “bunch of poseurs” who represent “everything bad about rock and roll” and Poison’s Bobby Dahl and Bret Michaels retaliated at a Motley Crue afterparty by throwing beer on Bridenthal and then dumping a bucket of ice water on her head.

She later sued the Poison members which resulted in an out of court settlement.

https://garyrocks.wordpress.com/2012/06/15/guns-n-roses-vs-poison-welcome-to-their-jungle/

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And to keep up more with the light/bright side of the thread, a random Slaxl moment:

Thanks, I figured it was something like that from their messages, but didn't know the actual story behind the postcard. at Poison.

Also lovely Slaxl gif Never seen that one before.

16 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

This is the biggest version I have found so far...but no videos. Will keep my eye out! But man I love this pic!

I love this picture too.

Axl and Duff sharing a laugh

That's the kind of content I want to see.

18 hours ago, Frey said:

I'd love to know more about how that first face-to-face meeting went, when Slash went to have dinner at Axl's house.

I imagine it can't have been easy (and probably was quite awkward) after so many years of bitterness and hurt feelings.

16 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Slash: "Hey, Axl"

Axl: "Oh, shit! You again?"

...

Slash: "Hmmm....delicious meat....did you cook it yourself"

Axl: "Huh"

Slash: "And the bread...is it homemade?"

Axl: 

...

Axl: "How's Perla?"

Slash: 

...

Slash: "I gotta go...it was nice talking to you"

Axl: "Sure "

Slash: "And the band?"

Axl: "Duff will do it"

Slash: "Deal"

LOl Andy, I laughed for real at "And the bread...is it homemade?" And "Duff will do it".

I also wanna know if they hugged.

Like, did Axl open the door for Slash to let him in and gave him a hug, like all these years of drama never happened? Or was it more awkward.

That's what Axl did with Izzy at least when he showed up at his house. According to Izzy, Axl gave him a big hug, acted like nothing bad had ever happened between them and then showed him around the house.

I also hope Axl banned TB to the basement or something while Slash was there, so they could be undisturbed. I'd feel really sorry for Slash if he had Beta breathing down his neck the whole time

4 hours ago, Frey said:

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

@Rocketqueen76, @Frey, here are two quotes from the book I mentioned. Bryn Bridenthal was (is?) publicity head in Geffen. She was very close to the band, and seemingly to Axl in particular (maybe she still is).

The first one is about Kurt's death (Nirvana was also in Geffen) and Axl's reaction on it (something I've always wondered about):

It's strange that Axl felt such a strong connection with Kurt that he could come to the point to hurt himself. The fact that he liked Nirvana and that he maybe felt he had things in common with Kurt as a person isn't enough of an explanation; he barely knew him. I suspect that it had to do with Axl's beliefs in past lives and all that.

10 hours ago, Lumikki said:

Thank you for posting these, those are definitely new to me as well.

I am absolutely baffled that she would be so worried about Axl hurting himself over Kurt Cobain's death. You're right, what you describe isn't enough of an explanation. Past life thing... maybe, but that'd still be incredibly weird and "a bit" of an over-reaction.

I guess it also depends what she means by hurting himself. Self-harming behavior? Suicide attempts? Destroying furniture and hurting himself in the process? Taking drugs?  Though all of these seem way too extreme to me considering their (non-)relationship.

Not too long ago I was talking to @killuridols and @Andy14 about Axl cutting himself with razor blades. Supposedly he stopped doing that because he didn't want to be left with scars and figured it was better to destroy his stuff instead of his body, but maybe he didn't completely stop that kind of thing and Bryn Bridenthal was worried about something along these lines? Or something similiar to the incident where he swallowed an entire bottle of pills during a fight with Erin?

No matter what though, I can't really wrap my head around it. This is one of these stories that seem to indicate that Axl might be way more messed up than we tend to think even.

As for the second story, I don't even know what to say to that one. So Axl can magically tell if people are fucking Courtney Love? Uhm, interesting skill to have, I guess...

And why does he need vibe sniffers if he's so talented at this himself

... is just bizarre.

I can't wrap my head around Axl potentially reacting like that to Kurt Cobain's death either.

Maybe Bryn Bridenthal was also over-estimating just how sensitive and emotionally unstable Axl is. Or she knows what she's talking about, in which case... urgh. How did they ever dare to leave him out of their sight?

Also what? Axl used to self-harm with razor blades?

First time I've heard that.

God, what a messed up kid he must have been. Shit like that nearly makes me go all Sinead O'Connor too. And I look nothing like Sinead O'Connor

 

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

The second quote is about Courtney Love. There was this bit in the 2000 RS article: 

After a shouting match with Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love backstage at the 1992 MTV Video Music Awards at UCLA's Pauley Pavillion, Axl told a friend that Love was trying to possess him. "He believes people are always trying to find a window through to control his energy," a friend says.

Here there's more about it:

This obviously has to do with the new age stuff. It seems that Axl was scared of her. I've been wondering if there was a back story between them. Courtney Love was a stripper in L.A. for some time and I remember reading her saying that one of the reasons Kurt hated Axl was the stories from strip clubs she was telling him.

I already commented on this in my reply to @nonok, but yeah, WTF

Special abilities indigo child Axl starts now.

This story also reminds me of Axl getting upset about Buckethead's disgusting porn, because he didn't want to have these vibes in the studio either.

And strip club stories? What? Never heard about this.

8 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

About Axl hurting Himself with razor blade N' pills where I could read tht, Axl's sensitive Guy, I know I shouldnt have said this but I'm glad He didnt ended like Kurt.

Axl cutting himself:

How do you explain your volatile nature?

When I get stressed, I get violent and take it out on myself. I've pulled razor blades on myself but then realized that having a scar is more detrimental than not having a stereo. I'd rather kick in my stereo than cut my arm. I'd rather kick my stereo in than go punch somebody in the face. When I get mad or upset or emotional, sometimes I'll walk over and play my piano.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-axl-rose-19890810

He talks about swallowing a bunch of pills during the 1991 Kurt Loder interview for example, when talking about Coma. Someone once posted an article with Tom Zutaut talking abou that incident as well.

Also welcome to the Sinead O'Connor club. I was apparently channelling Sinead O'Connor before I knew she felt the same way about Axl as me.

And yes, similar to the Buckethead issue. It seems like Axl really wanted CD to be "pure" and "clean" (in a spiritual sense, I guess) and everything he considered dirty and not pure enough (violent pornography, Courtney Love ) was not welcome.

As for the strip clubs, Courtney even referenced something about a strip club when she was recently defending Axl and said that he was misunderstood.

6 hours ago, nonok said:

The fact that he's such an enigma and no matter what he does we can't figure him out is probably why we all still defend him so much and root for him despite all the shit in his head and in his world. So let's not hate this wonderful, weird and insane creature without knowing what's really going on in his head. We all love him deep down inside... More often than not in some other places as well.

Yes. I also believe that Axl is actually not a bad person, even a pretty good one these days when you take away all the bullshit and externalities. Since we're being all spiritual and new age-y here at the moment, I'm gonna put it this way: Unlike a lot of people in this world, Axl doesn't give me bad person vibes. Messed up and stuggling person vibes? Yes. But not bad or evil.

I like what Robert John says here in this shitty documentary (starts around 7:40):

"I think it hurt Axl when people started leaving. 'Cause you know as much crap as people say about Axl, deep down inside he's got a really, really great heart. Okay? He's hard to deal with at times, in fact extremely hard to deal with at times, but he's a very good person deep down inside and you know, he wants things his way, and when the guys started leaving, I think it really affected him. Because I know certain key band members that he would talk about constantly. And when he talks about something constantly, that's because they hurt him."

Also this: "Because I know certain key band members that he would talk about constantly. And when he talks about something constantly, that's because they hurt him." 

That's something we've already figured out ourselves Pretty obvious with "certain key band members".

9 hours ago, Blackstar said:

@Rocketqueen76, @Frey, here are two quotes from the book I mentioned. Bryn Bridenthal was (is?) publicity head in Geffen. She was very close to the band, and seemingly to Axl in particular (maybe she still is).

The first one is about Kurt's death (Nirvana was also in Geffen) and Axl's reaction on it (something I've always wondered about):

It's strange that Axl felt such a strong connection with Kurt that he could come to the point to hurt himself. The fact that he liked Nirvana and that he maybe felt he had things in common with Kurt as a person isn't enough of an explanation; he barely knew him. I suspect that it had to do with Axl's beliefs in past lives and all that.

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The second quote is about Courtney Love. There was this bit in the 2000 RS article: 

After a shouting match with Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love backstage at the 1992 MTV Video Music Awards at UCLA's Pauley Pavillion, Axl told a friend that Love was trying to possess him. "He believes people are always trying to find a window through to control his energy," a friend says.

Here there's more about it:

This obviously has to do with the new age stuff. It seems that Axl was scared of her. I've been wondering if there was a back story between them. Courtney Love was a stripper in L.A. for some time and I remember reading her saying that one of the reasons Kurt hated Axl was the stories from strip clubs she was telling him.

Thank you for posting these, those are definitely new to me as well.

I am absolutely baffled that she would be so worried about Axl hurting himself over Kurt Cobain's death. You're right, what you describe isn't enough of an explanation. Past life thing... maybe, but that'd still be incredibly weird and "a bit" of an over-reaction.

I guess it also depends what she means by hurting himself. Self-harming behavior? Suicide attempts? Destroying furniture and hurting himself in the process? Taking drugs?  Though all of these seem way too extreme to me considering their (non-)relationship.

Not too long ago I was talking to @killuridols and @Andy14 about Axl cutting himself with razor blades. Supposedly he stopped doing that because he didn't want to be left with scars and figured it was better to destroy his stuff instead of his body, but maybe he didn't completely stop that kind of thing and Bryn Bridenthal was worried about something along these lines? Or something similiar to the incident where he swallowed an entire bottle of pills during a fight with Erin?

No matter what though, I can't really wrap my head around it. This is one of these stories that seem to indicate that Axl might be way more messed up than we tend to think even.

As for the second story, I don't even know what to say to that one. So Axl can magically tell if people are fucking Courtney Love? Uhm, interesting skill to have, I guess...

And why does he need vibe sniffers if he's so talented at this himself

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@killuridols Are you still alive? Did you get to eat Axl's ass? Inquiring minds want to know

22 minutes ago, giuls said:

Plus, they have 20+ years together when Axl wasn't there, imagine if they say an inside joke or reminisces on something Axl wasn't there for, not because they are being dicks because there's simply so much history between them and it's difficult to hide. Axl is so sensitive, i don't know if he would be 100% okay being put in front of the fact there is a gap between them partially because of himself, anyone would feel kinda awkward about it.

Exactly. I would also feel awkward and out of place most likely. But I'm a sensitive ninny too, so...

17 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Be careful what you wish though, that crazy 80s - 90s Axl is also the same guy who completely destroyed other people's lives as well as his own. He has had to find some balance somewhere, some calm and peace has needed to be gotten. It's bound to have had an effect.

True, I don't miss those aspects of his personality and I'm glad he seems to have gotten over most of these issues.

I think Axl as a kid/young man was miserable a lot of the time and in some ways Axl does seem much happier and more balanced nowadays. It's hard to tell with him, since we barely saw him for years and he doesn't like talking about what's going on in his mind and life anymore. But judging by this year alone, he does seem to be in a better place mentally than we've seen him in in a long time.

14 minutes ago, tiutso said:

Wait, did someone say something about Russians? TL;DR, should I get pissed? 

I don't know, maybe? Nah, Asia just compared Axl to these nouveau riche type Russians who also like to strut around decked out in tons of jewelry and horrendously expensive clothes.

@killuridols Thanks for the updates! You're gonna have an amazing time and I can't wait to hear about all your adventures I'm gonna need all the details

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

I'm such a horrible, horrible person and even worse fan . I don't even deserve to listen to this band.  Instead of eagerly waiting for tonight's show I'm going to a concert 

I'll join you on the horrible fan couch, I'm going to the movies instead of waiting for tonights show, but I guess I'll be back in time for it to start as well.

58 minutes ago, Asia said:

Well, Axl has always been lured by luxury bullshit lifestyle and the so called "high society" which is so low class and stupid... too bad he can't see it. Unfortunately when he became part of the TB circle and TB is the epitome of lack of class, this tendency only became stronger. All the stupid shit like the cane or those huge rings and his general style of a mafioso drowning in money and gold - it looked exactly like something that primitive idiots like Fernando and Beta would love

It's very sad cause Axl seems to be a very easily influenced person and as long as he stayed around normal people, like his own band, he was a really great, nice guy, not that Russian type of the newly rich Anyway I still find it hard to understand that he always chooses the company of such idiots, because he seems an intelligent person somewhere deep inside at least.

As with the couple thing, I still don't fucking understand what you're all saying, like a single person cannot be friends or hangout with those who have boyfriends and girlfriends and is supposed to live in a different world. I must be from another planet then. I have friends both in relationships and out of relationships and I meet them and hang out with them, also with couples. And it has always been like that in my world. Actually I can be single and meet with a couple and have fun spending time and talking to both of them, unbelievable, I guess... Well whatever. Either way I don't think Slash or Duff would ever not want Axl around them. Slash always emphasized that he loved it when he joined them and I think they would still both be very happy, I guess it's Axl who prefers his own Brazillian company, unfortunately.

That comparison with certain types of Russians and the mafia made me lol

It's true though, Axl's very much the epitome of "nouveau riche". And yes, it's trashy and not very classy at all. Fernando and TB really don't help, they're into the same kind of shit. I think it was @MillionsOfSpiders who noticed just how many luxury cars and motorbikes Fernando seems to own (all payed for with Axl's money of course).

Since he really does seem to be pretty naive and very easily influenced, spending time with slightly more down-to-earth people like Duff or Slash (OR IZZY, he's the best at saying no to bullshit like that) can only be a good thing. On the other hand, it seems Axl's always been that way though. I remember Chris Weber saying that Axl's always been into expensive cosmetics, jewelry, etc. Only back then he couldn't afford it and now he can.

I don't know, it annoys me and I think it's one of his most irritating character traits, but there's not really much to be done about it.

As for the couples thing, I guess it depends on the couple(s). There are couples I don't mind hanging out with, but there are also some people that you're just gonna feel awkward or unneeded around. And in Axl's case, he's additionally got a million issues and nonsense going on his head that might not even be true, but might make him even more reluctant to hang out with Sluff and their ladies.

42 minutes ago, nikosgnr said:

Still trying to understand what people like on Sorum.

Thanks Axl for not bringin him on this tour. You're a lifesaver. Really.

But yeah, I'm also really glad he's not part of this.

I can ignore Frank perfectly well, he fades into the background and doesn't bother me. And he seems like a nice guy.

Sorum's presence would annoy the hell out of me sooner or later though. He'd probably manage to mess things up between Axl, Slash and Duff as well, judging by his track record and his personality. No doubt things are probably more peaceful without him around.

The only one I'm really missing is Izzy. As long as they get Izzy to join them, I don't care who drums or how many blue haired chicks are in the band or whatever. I barely notice all these people anyway.

24 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Duff has said that Sorum wants things his way and that he'd like to have a band of his own to dictate (or something along the lines of). From what people have said in general, Sorum seems to have a big ego, so it's not surprising that he and Axl clashed (although at first Axl seemed to like him and he had said in an interview how much he appreciated that Matt was friendly with him despite of not knowing him for a long time). Imo it wasn't just that Sorum was confronting Axl about his lateness etc, but that he wanted to have more than a say about the band's direction and moreover he talked shit a lot in public.

Regardless of Sorum, Scott's interview is an interesting read (I've never read the whole of it before), as it gives his side of the story. And each story has two sides, even if one of them is that of a drug addict. It's like Steven's case (and even Slash's when he had a drug problem).

I wouldn't mind him doing some guest spots, but I don't care for more than that. I don't miss his drum solos at all. 

I think it's interesting to hear things from Scott's POV as well. Reminds me of that other time where he talked about suddenly understanding Axl much better and how Slash and Duff had supposedly painted such a terrible picture of Axl, but now he's starting to doubt that and sees what Axl had to deal with. Something like that in any case. (Or was that in the same interview? I only ever saw the quotes and never the full interviews either.)

1 hour ago, Asia said:

Fuck, people who talked to him, tell us what you asked him and what he said, we wanna know!

There usually isn't much talking going on during these kinds of mass fan meetings. When I met Axl, I really didn't get a lot of time to talk to him. You can't see them in the pictures here, but I bet Fernando, Vanessa, the bodyguard etc were around too; they make sure that everyone gets a picture and an autograph and that the whole thing is done as quickly as possible.

Anyway, I'm loving these smiles:

Even seeing all three of them at the airport together makes me happy lol.

2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I wonder why Axl doesn't have a bodyguard now? Not seen him with one for a while. He just walks around with fernando lol, he'd be brown bread in no time if that happened again. 

He does have one. Big, bald and mean looking guy. Always was around during the ACDC tour and I thought he was kind of rude.

He's also in some pictures from the NITL tour, so I figure he usually is around Axl.

4 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Sounds like they said mean things about her baby. I know that pain. it makes you extra crazy 

Yeah that person called Grace's new music video or the song itself (I don't know which) trash. I mean I get it, she just went all mama bear, I would be mad too.

But if Grace is really keeping at this music thing, there're gonna be tons of not so nice or critical comments (let's be real, Grace isn't exactly a great singer or song writer and being her dad's daughter is the only reason she's as successfull as she is). And there will always be assholes who just like leaving nasty comments, no matter how talented, nice or whatever else someone is. So Susan's going to be very busy if she plans to react like that to every negative comment about her kid(s).

Btw, I'm curious about your quote below

What does Duff flipping out look like? I can't even really picture Duff having a hissy fit. It's easy for me to do that with Axl or even Slash, but Duff?

6 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Was just going to say, it was all well and good when Duff was playing little stages with Loaded, now it's all on the biggest stages again as well as all that goes with it. 

I saw her with him at Donington in 2009, Loaded played the tiny tent. He was really flipping out about something, I thought he wasn't going to go on stage. She was trying to calm him down. You wouldn't think that of Duff would you? Throwing a diva strop? But I saw it with my own eyes. I'm sure it was all fine after. 

At the time though I felt sorry for her.