Lumikki

1 hour ago, Slash787 said:

Thats @Andy14 on the left and @Lumikki on the right

How did you find out?

(But yeah, like @Andy14 said, Axl would be happy with us I really wouldn't mind giving him a hug and smooshing those cheeks a little though. His smooshed up cheek in that picture and his resigned expression is hilarious )

12 hours ago, tiutso said:

Tatar  The people who know are either to the East geographically, or just Russian history buffs who read all about Tatar-Mongol igo; others go, 'huh?' 

12 minutes ago, tiutso said:

@Lumikki It only just registered in my mind that you're from Austria, and I randomly realized that I've been up in the Alps, snowboarding somewhere around Mayrhofen, probably Hollenzen  

Well I can't say I know much about Tatars, but I definitely know they exist. They get mentioned sometimes in history or Russia-related TV documentaries. And the Crimean Tatars have actually been in the news here quite a lot lately with the whole Ukraine thing and everything. And there's also tatar sauce?

Well, you've done more snowboarding in the Alps then I ever have I count myself lucky if I can get down a mountain on skis without breaking anything. I'm a failure of an Austrian

8 hours ago, RooSaa said:

You are right, that's really cute Uncle Slash and Aunt Meegan.

It's so nice to see how close Slash, Duff and their familys are. Their kids are like siblings to each other, it's awesome to see. One big happy family

I also saw that Lucy posted a picture of her and Grace wishing her a happy birthday. She called Grace her "step sister"

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Probably Stephen Bailey's family of religious fanatics made him marry a "repented sinner woman" as a good christian deed.

And yes, it was Tippecanoe county jail Axl was thrown in:

I remember Axl saying that he had spent another three months in jail when he was underage (I suppose it was in a juvenile jail). I read in Stephen Davis's book that it happened because Axl's parents had refused to pay his fines from previous sentences. I don't know what Davis's source is because he doesn't cite his sources (he has only a catalog at the end of the book), but if it's true, it was very cruel

Related to this, I was reserved about the "habitual criminal" thing Axl had said. I know that in some American states the laws are very harsh and for example the system allows even 12-year-olds to be tried as adults in some occasions, but I couldn't believe that a juvenile kid could face a long time prison sentence because of a few arrests for misdemeanors like drinking in public and trespassing. After a quick search, I found that there are indeed such laws.

Urgh yeah, that's the kind of insane explanation I'd expect behind something like that. But didn't someone say the guy was not from Indiana originally? I wonder how he and Axl's mom even crossed paths. Maybe at some kind of Jesus camp or whatever.

I also think I read somewhere that Axl's family used to live with his grandma when Axl was a kid. If they were both so young that probably explains that then, they probably couldn't afford to live on their own yet or something.

I remember Axl talkig about spending three months in jail as well. Didn't know the reason behind that though (if what Davis says is true). Urgh.

I can believe these harsh laws, especially after reading that fan fic Serenity convinced me to read. If I've learned anything from that, then that they apparently used to have death penality from 10 years of age upwards in Indiana (if the author's research is to be believed). 10 years Hope no unfortunate little kid was ever actually sentenced to death.

2 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

2 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Axl should get a haircut. A bowl-cut.

"Reminds Me of childhood memories~"

Mean Axl was cute even with a bowl cut

@nonok If it's any consolation, I get the impression that at least most of the people in this thread here know much more/better than the clueless people you've met   I kinda feel ya, most people either think Austria is a part of Germany or they don't even know it exists and think I'm from Australia 

5 hours ago, tiutso said:

It's really confusing to me how people can name their children with basically any noun in English-speaking countries. Doesn't it sound awkward? You couldn't do that with Russian names without coming off as a weirdo.

I'm not in an English-speaking country and you can't really name your kid just any noun or adjective here (there are some rules), but there are quite a few names that are also every-day words here. I don't think it's that weird, you're just used to it and seems normal.

And technically that's how most names started out anyway. All Germanic names for examples are basically just some nouns and adjectives smushed together although most people don't realize it anymore nowadays.

Btw, what's the other non-Russian half of your heritage that you said no one has ever heard of? Try me, I'm good with shit like that and I'm curious

4 hours ago, killuridols said:

So are you all like blond people with blue/green eyes?

No. Brown hair and brown eyes here lol. Other people in my family are blond and blue-eyed though.

5 hours ago, Frey said:

Slash said so somewhere. In his book probably. He said something about Axl's grandma being just like Axl and that he liked her, but he didn't like the rest of Axl's family. Been a while since I read that. Maybe the people here who always magically have quotes at hand can tell you more about it

Maybe that guy being only 18 or 19 years old himself when confronted with toddler Axl was one of the reasons for him being such a failure as a parent. Teenage boys rarely make for great fathers.

Willow Amelia is better than I would have expected from Axl. It's no Apple or North West at least (and Axl could easily have come up with a ridiculous pun name a la Kanye as well with the surnam he's got.)

Especially a toddler who had already been through a lot in his short life and was probably already showing some behavioral issues. Not a good combination with a young inexperienced teenage boy step father.

It doesn't surprise me that Axl would not have given his kid a joke name. Because he kind of had a joke name himself and I remember Axl saying that he already knew he was going to change his name when he was only in first grade. He probably was sick of all the Bill Bailey jokes and people singing that song at him. Axl also said that his step father begged his mother to change his first name when she married him, but Axl's mother refused to change his name so he became Bill Bailey.

2 hours ago, giuls said:

I found Slaxl instance too!

It seems like Slash's t-shirt to me, it's a bit big on Axl

 

Good eyes! I'd never noticed the jeans jacket thing before! But actually that entire picture is full of clothes sharing madness (I added some more yellow arrows to it )

Look here @SerenityScorp! Apart from what giuls already mentioned, there's also the kilt Axl is wearing and the golden glitter top Izzy is is wearing.

Duff is wearing the same kilt in this picture:

Izzy and Axl both wore the gold glitter shirt:

(Actually Axl looks like he stole Izzy's entire outfit. Pants and belt look similar/the same too )

Slash and Izzy have both worn this lace blouse thing:

Duff's hat (I assume it's Duff's because he was usually wearing it) has been worn by Axl and Slash as well:

On Axl:

On Slash (and Steven seems to be wearing one of Slash's hats here):

And then there's the possible recent Slaxl clothes sharing incident with the "Every Zoo is a petting zoo" shirt of course

That's all the clothes sharing incidents I can think of

21 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Axl looks so Irish to me, and Scottish. His real name is totally Scottish freedom fighter if ever I heard one  

If you sent him back in time, I could totally see him running around in his kilt fighting off the evil English. 

Yes, he does to me as well. Which is weird considering that he seems to get his looks mostly from his mother who appears to have only German ancestors.

But nothing about Axl's face and coloring looks German to me.

I think Axl has a pretty unusual face in general (weird facial structure and stuff like that), but the only people I can think of who look even remotely like him are Irish. He basically looks like a weird mix between Celtic and East Asian to me lol.

And yeah, very impish That's the perfect word, especially when he's smiling. It's one of the main things I can't resist about him

12 minutes ago, tiutso said:

Seen one total of gingers in Ireland despite staying for 2 weeks, was disappointed 

When I was in Ireland and in the UK, I saw a lot of ginger people, but none who looked like Axl, unfortunately

11 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Exactly! Due to our history we (Czech Republic) are still considered Eastern Europe even though we're in the center center and border Germany and Austria. Czech Republic and everything east from us is historically Eastern Europe and there are still a lot of people who think we are Russians or Czechoslovakia or "never heard of that country before". 

Yep. It's a historical divide, not a geographical one. Geographically speaking, there should be no reason for the Czech republic to be considered Eastern Europe, if Austria is considered Central/Western Europe. Looking at it this way we're either both Eastern Europe already, or both Central Europe lol.

6 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

- Hes beautiful even tho He wears female clothes

- From All of His family, I wonder if its only His Grandmother tht He likes?

Well Axl likes his brother and sister as well of course.

But I remember reading somewhere that Axl used to send his grandmother a fruit basket (or flowers? something like that) every month until she died.

Thought that was sweet of him. He must have really liked her. He also used to live with her.

2 hours ago, tiutso said:

Who did you expect them to be?  That's what most white Americans' ancestry is, just throw the French and Italian in.

Nope, like @stella said, there would have been a good chance for them to have Scandinavian ancestry for example (most likely Norwegian or Swedish). Or Polish and other Easter European countries, French, Italian, Dutch...

49 minutes ago, tiutso said:

Apparently, the UN has an official definition, so this is My Bad, but you'll never hear anyone here speak of Hungarians or the Polish as Eastern Europeans 

Girl, Poland and Hungary are definitely considered Eastern Europe by everyone where I live I can see how that would seem strange from a Russian perspective, but here in central Europe (and also in western and north Europe)? Everything that is east of Germany and Austria (so basically everything that was beyond the iron curtain) is thought of as Eastern Europe.

2 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

-  Really?

About sharing clothes between Members-, What clothes tht They share back then

Yeah those rose printed leggings he used to have belonged to Amy apparently. I think I read about it in this thread actually.

There have been some examples of the guys sharing clothes posted in this thread as well. The gold glitter shirt Axl wears in the construction site photoshoot is Izzy's for example. There's also a black lace blouse both Izzy and Slash used to wear. And a red and blue kilt that Duff and Axl used to wear in the mid 80s. Also some hats.

44 minutes ago, Frey said:

Something is wrong about these family trees linked on Axl's site though. They don't match up with data from findagrave.com (in particular that Earl Lintner guy).

Other things not matching up: The middle name of Axl's mom. Wasn't she listed as Sharon Lee Lintner in the yearbook picture that dalsh posted?

Yet all genealogy related sites list her as Sharon E. Linter, "E." being short for Elizabeth apparently. And this is definitely correct because it even says so on her grave. (Couldn't help but notice the engraved roses on the grave there. Wonder if Axl had anything to do with that?)

So what do we have here? An error in the yearbook or is the person dalsh posted not actually Axl's mom after all? But then again, how many Sharon Lintners could there have been in that particular high school during that particular time?

I also noticed that Axl's stepfather is apparently younger than his mother. Kind of surprising, I always pictured him as an older guy taking advantage of a young woman in a vulnerable position. Most of these patriarchal religious whackjobs seem to follow that model. But it makes more sense then that he's still alive.

Also, Axl's grandma apparently lived to be 96. So maybe he's got quite a few more years left as well. She looks like a nice lady. She was the only person in Axl's family Slash liked, right?

Omg, why does all of this have to be so confusing lol. I'm already confused by the issues popping up whenever I try to research my own ancestry, let alone other people's. The thing with the yearbook could be a simple error though. Someone might just have misheard "E" as "Lee".

I always pictured Axl's step father as older as well. Weird to think he was 2 and a half years younger than his mom.

Because that means the guy was around 18 or 19 when he became Axl's step father.

The whole situation is more like these trashy TV shows about teenagers becoming parents than what I pictured in my head. (And I know people used to have kids earlier back then, but 16 year old mom and 18/19 year old step father is still a bit .)

But I figured something out I remember wondering about:

Axl once said that if his and Erin's baby had been a girl, they would have named her Willow Amelia. And he said Amelia was after his grandmother. Since I only ever saw Axl's grandmother referred to as Anna, I wondered what grandmother he was talking about. But since his grandmother's full name is Anna Amelia, that makes sense now. Could have figured that out myself

5 hours ago, killuridols said:

8 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Her fics are good arent? I love angst Fic N' She is the best writer in the rockfic so far.

Still not reading the last chapter*Chpter10*, gonna read tht

 if @killuridols read tht *I dunno if She likes fic or not* She probably will cry too 

I have no idea what you two are talking about

About a story on rockfic that I started reading, but then I stopped because it was so disturbing and to me. But Serenity told me to continue reading. So I did and it became horrible and sad in a whole new way and that's why I basically cried oceans of tears. I'm sensitive and emotional when it comes to Axl, even about fictional Axl apparently

And yes, I've noticed that before about the jacket. I think he stole/borrowed that jacket from Erin because it's too small for him. Similar to how he stole/borrowed the leggings from his sister. I think it's kinda adorable how he used to wear the clothes of the women around him (and some of the guys in the band's clothes too)

12 hours ago, Frey said:

The very first comment under that article is

"Izzy and Brad Pitt are related: Izzy’s sixth-grandfather Henry Pendleton Isbell II/Jr. and Brad’s ancestor Benjamin Isbell were brothers. wow"

Make of that what you will, girls

Seriously though that's quite an interesting family tree Izzy's got there. I'm jealous his ancestors can be traced back so far.

That site has info for all the other guys as well. Quite interesting.

And I could have told you Izzy's mom was named Sonja. I remember seeing Izzy's parents referred to as Sonny and Dick somewhere. Somehow that stuck in my brain, probably because it reminded me of Sonny and Cher or something

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy  >  Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, George Clooney, [insert any other actor that is generally proclaimed as the epitome of attractiveness] as far as I'm concerned

Also I had no idea Axl was so... German. I had noticed his mom's German maiden name of course, but poking around that site and the links, I notice he is German through and through on his mom's side.

Lintner, Rosenbrock, Zimmerman, Schaper, Pfingsten... all German surnames and a lot of these people were even born in Germany. And it's kind of funny how he has rose-related surnames on both sides of his family. "Rosenbrock" = "a marsh where roses grow". Also "Pfingsten" = "pentecost"

Axl, Duff and Izzy all basically are a mix of English/Irish and German (and a few other things).

(And these people in the comments on Slash's page being shocked that Slash is part black. What are they, blind?! )

5 hours ago, giuls said:

5 hours ago, tiutso said:

@giuls d'you know @stateomaine on rockfic? I realized it was her loft fic that I read 

Yes! That's the one i was referring too, it is basically the only one dealing with the "logistic" of them sharing the bed and it's a damn shame because it's the perfect excuse  Axl-the-wife is great 

4 hours ago, tiutso said:

Axl, a "ghost, stitched together with neuroticism and fear instead of bone and sinew", is such a great description, too 

Okay, thanks to you two talking about it, I just went and read that story and omg, thanks for bringing this to my attention! I'm really picky about my reading, but I loved that one. I already cracked up at this part:

"They had gotten into a sort of routine where in the morning, after everyone had left or passed out or been arrested or whatever, they would both climb into the loft bed that Izzy and Steven made them. Ostensibly they did this with the intention of going to sleep, but Slash figured there must have been some miscommunication, because Axl never went to sleep. He lay on his back in the dim light and rambled incoherently about the band and some slut he fucked and his childhood in Indiana, and all the assholes he’d known there. If his accounts were true, it appeared that most of the people Axl had ever known were assholes."

Everything about this is amusing to me and it also sounds very plausible and in-character. I also liked the detail about Slash having dreams about Axl's past. The ending was lovely too, in a heart-wrenching kind of way.

I also read her other story (The Cost of Jaywalking) and realized I actually read that one years ago, but never checked out her other works, so never saw the loft bed story.   Anyway, that one is good as well. I've always wondered about how Axl managed to come up with the bail money to get Slash out of jail. Hope he had an easier time scrounging up the money in real life than in this story.

Also, since we're talking about fan fiction- @SerenityScorp !!! You!!! I continued (and finished) reading "Dear Izzy" because you told me to and now you owe me at least 5 bottles of water! I cried buckets. No scratch that, I cried entire oceans! I felt all dehydrated after reading that! The disturbingly graphic childhood flashbacks stopped, yes, but then it became horrible in an entirely different way! Omg The last chapter nearly killed me. The girl who wrote this is a seriously talented writer, but rarely has anything I've read ever left me so shaken.

(Side note: Because of that story I googled if Izzy's mom is really named Sonja because that seemed like a pretty unusual name for a US American woman to me, and came across this. Apparently some people have researched Izzy's family tree. I know we have some people here who are interested in genealogy and stuff like that, so I thought I'd leave this here:

http://ethnicelebs.com/izzy-stradlin )

58 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Reunion may mean a lot more money but it also means lose of control on their part. Having Slash, Duff and hypothetically the rest of the original bandmembers back in is a bigger risk than anything else.
With nuGNR they would hire and fire any musician they wanted. Those musicians don't have a saying with the band at all. There's no risk of losing power with a DJ Ashba or a Bumblefoot.

Slash and Duff are different. They wrote most of GN'R catalogue and were always partners with Axl. Their influence and power over the band's future is a risk for TB managing GN'R.

I think from the TOUR BOOK scanned pages, the last page, gives an idea of how the partnership and management is distributed now. Looks like they are all going individually, with their own managers. You can read a Team Slash list and a Team Duff list.

As for the last statement, just because someone is family, that doesn't give them the right to manipulate and abuse another member of the family.

Axl can't be eternally thanking them for what they did whenever they helped him. Never forget that help started under employment contract, not like a mother or brother, selflessly, would help a son.

They've got help from Axl too. Probably he changed their lives, took them out of misery and gave them a lifestyle none of them EVER dreamed of back in Brazil.

This is a two-ways street, in my opinion.

I agree. I've thought about this issue before (because the real money being in the reunion is a good argument), but I think loss of control might have been a bigger fear for them. And considering they lived pretty well (quite luxuriously actually, like @MillionsOfSpiders mentioned earlier) off of Axl's money even during the NuGnR years, why risk that for even more money?

I also think this was a bigger issue in the earlier years of their relationship with Axl. Back in the 90s or early 2000s they might have feared Slash or Duff's influence more than they do now. They hadn't been gone out of Axl's life for long then and TB's position in Axl's life in turn probably wasn't as stable back then as it is now, they most likely weren't quite so enmeshed and involved in Axl's life yet.

By now I think they feel pretty safe, though I think they still weren't exactly thrilled about the reunion. But they had no choice. After they couldn't stop Duff from getting to Axl and Axl and Duff then started re-building their friendship, it was basically out of their hands. So now they suck up to Slash, Duff and their families to stay in everybody's good graces.

Also lol @killuridols Welcome to the "Brett Buchanan wrote an article about me"- club   Unfortunately I can tell you from experience that it is a pretty sucky club. God I hate that guy.

8 minutes ago, killuridols said:

@Lumikki

Ah, thank you!

It really does seem to be exactly the same shirt Axl has. (Or maybe it even is literally the same shirt )

Slaxl Clothes Sharing 2k16 ?

Or both just having bought/been given the same shirt? Or Axl giving Slash the same shirt as a present after showing it to him on stage?

(Btw what's with the Loony Tunes writing? And the arrow pointing at Slash? Is that something Meegan added? I don't get it )

3 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Lumikki There are quite a lot of times Marc mentions how controlling Beta is, from having things deleted from Jarmos GNR forum about Slash and Duff so Axl won't see what they've said (good things) to her role in his fall out with Axl. He emailed her about his book assuming she would tell Axl, she didn't and then he found out in a bit of a shitty way, and they fell out  he said Beta doesn't like him because she thinks he talks shit. It's all there in Canter Banter, very interesting. He uses the word "controlling" an awful lot when it comes to TB and Axl. 

3 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

They seem to be friends, I think it's because they're so totally clueless on how to run a band they turned to these people for contacts within the music industry. That's why I think slime balls like him are there. But that's just my opinion. 

Also, Marc said Beta and TB have financial control over Axl too, they pay everyone and blah blah. So they employ all these people! 

Thanks for adding all these things Marc said to the discussion. His opinion really counts for a lot, and if even he says these things, then I think we're right to be concerned.

I've actually read all of the Canter Banter threads, but that was a long time ago, and I've forgotten a lot of it by now.

The thing Marc mentions about Beta not telling Axl about Marc's email and the book makes me think my suspicions about her not passing on Izzy's messages are true as well.

I have to say it really pisses me off that Beta and the rest of TB seem to have taken it upon themselves to decide what Axl gets to see, hear and know about and what not. Especially since it always seem to be people from Axl's old life that they need to "protect" him from apparently, but they never seem to feel the need to protect him from creepy fuckers like Nur Khan.

And the thing about TB having financial control over Axl too is just scary.

3 hours ago, Slash787 said:

I agree with Lumikki and what others are saying about Beta. 

But that Andrei guy seems the worse out of them all, yeah he is not controlling Axl or anything, but he got access to many things, how is he even related to Beta? 

I think he is Fernando's friend as well, yes. But I don't remember where I read that unfortunately.

3 hours ago, Frey said:

Axl idolizes Beta too. According to Beta, Axl said to her "I wish you were my mother" or "I wish you had been my mother" or something like that after he'd watched Beta with her own children for a while. And by now no one is even allowed to even come near Holy Mother Beta or Axl will take you down to the pavement (see airport incident).

And on the rare occasions that Beta does something that goes against the idealized image Axl has of her, Axl freaks out. Like when she left him alone at the party in Sweden or when she went behind Axl's back with Doug Goldstein. Axl freaks out, throws a tantrum, even wanted to fire Beta after the Goldstein incident (remember, with the way Axl thinks, Beta was betraying him and he immediately cuts people out of his life if they're not completely 100% on his side about everything). But of course Axl doesn't know how to live without Beta, so nothing ever comes out of Axl's tantrums. He's way too dependent on her.

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

I wish I had studied psychiatry or psychology to be able to understand this "mother" issue.

It is so very interesting. His relationship with his biological mother was so controversial and the one he has with Beta is weird too.

Axl saying to Beta that he wished she was his mom breaks my heart. I remember reading that in these old interviews and it made me feel all then and it still does now.

Unfortunately not having a good mom can really screw up a child for life. Especially in the first few years of a child's life. If there's a lack of love and affection for the child (or even abuse and neglect), and the child doesn't form a proper attachment to their mom (or any other care-giver, but usually it's moms for obvious reasons) this can have far reaching consequences. Can even cause Reactive Attachment Disorder in children in some cases.

In Axl's case we do know that he said he never felt loved by his mom and that he felt he was unwanted and a burden to the people in his family. Growing up with that kind of feeling has got to leave marks on a child. And that's before we even get into the whole issue about his mother never protecting him from abuse (or even being abusive herself? Some of Axl's quotes make it sound like his mother beat him too) by his father and step-father.

2 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

All these truths about TB (rather thn Team Brazil, its more like Team Beta) makes Me 

This. But I doubt He can if beta still there with Him.

 @Lumikki N' This. I wish Sluffizzy didnt leave the Band. I know its hard to deal with Axl since They dont understand Axl. No matter how They try to understand Him, They cant cause They dont have same experience like Axl. Rather than leave maybe The Band could just hiatus or something.

Since theres Duff N' Slash now they cant do something like before anymore

I wish Duff could just read this N' help Axl with this (Or Someone could secretly send this truth to Duff)

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Do you get the impression that Duff does not like TB? I do, very much. I find it telling that he's been around Axl for so long, but there's no pics of him interacting with them. And the pic from London, when Axl took Sasha with him, is that the only time we've seen Axl going anywhere without Fernando or Beta? I would have thought he would've taken one of them too. Unless that's who took the pic 

But I really get the vibe that Duff doesn't like them.

Cant tell with Slash lol 

I really hope Duff (and Slash) can influence things for the better as well. Being on tour with Axl and TB should give them some pretty good insight into some of the things that are going wrong.

@MillionsOfSpiders I have zero evidence for this, but I share your impression. Probably because Fernando for example doesn't seem to be the kind of person someone like Duff (or even Slash) would have respect for. And Duff was probably annoyed by them from the very first time he had to deal with them back at the hotel in London when they refused to let him go to Axl. (Because I get the impression they were there during that incident, but then later on Axl only took Sasha with him. Probably because he would have been embarrassed to appear with his mom and her kids, instead of a female partner or something.)

3 hours ago, RooSaa said:

you are welcome Lumikki thank you for writing some of the audio down. I thought it was Slash's voice who said 'i have a really good reason to', because it sounds so Slash-drunkish and Axl interrupted him with another 'you wanna play that' and Slash ask 'What?'  ... but i am probably wrong.

Yeah, the best option right now would really be to find someone who remembers ...

I thought it was Axl, but like I said I'm terrible with crappy audios, so who knows.

1 hour ago, Asia said:

No, he wasn't being sarcastic. I found this "dedication" Axl was talking about somewhere in an audio clip (there was no video of it). And that little dedication was in fact some kind of appology. Axl was just appreciating the fact that Slash decided to appologize.

1 hour ago, Asia said:

No, not really, it was when I was making this video, that I tried to trace it down. I don't have that link, plus I couldn't even make out what exactly he was appologizing for, the quality was so poor. Nevertheless he was appologizing, I suspect he was fucked up the previous show or something like that.

Anyway, Axl wasn't being sarcastic, he was pleased about it and you can even hear in his voice that he is smiling. I guess it was just before the KOHD that Slash approached him and told him he wanted to make that dedication. And then in the middle of the song Axl guessed what it will be about, I guess

Huh, interesting. I do like the idea of Axl being serious about his "I love you, too" (obviously lol), but I really wish I could get a better picture of the whole situation.

Btw @Asia because of that discussion I re-watched your video again and I have to say it's my absolute favorite Slaxl video of the ones I've seen. It's just so adorable and precious and I like the song choice and everything You really should make more of these!

24 minutes ago, killuridols said:

 

34 minutes ago, Frey said:

I can't agree with this and the similar statement you just posted.

Yes, the reunion needed to happen in its own time and when everyone was ready, but that time might have come a whole lot sooner if Axl had been surrounded by different people. 

As it is, he was surrounded by people who encouraged Axl's hatred and delusions about everyone from his old life (probably because they feared for their own place in Axl's life and that the gravy train would stop). People who literally created enemy lists for him. Enemy lists. 

What if Axl had instead been surrounded by people who encouraged him to talk to Slash/Izzy/Duff/Marc/whoever. Who encouraged him to clear the air with other people and have some healing conversations. Who could have helped him see things in a more nuanced way than the black or white one he tends to favor? Who could have helped him understand other people's motivations and feelings?

This approach would have spared Axl (and everyone else) a lot of drama, pain and hurt feelings. And would have given us a reunion much sooner probably.

But as it is, we can thank pure luck and coincidence (most likely, I know Axl is suspicious) for Duff ending up in a hotel room next to Axl and setting a chain of events into motion that would ultimately lead to this reunion.

 

 

Out of likes, and @killuridols already posted the perfect reaction gif, so I won't bother to find anything else.

But yes, I agree 100%.

And the enemy list. Dear god, I had nearly forgotten about that particular bit of GNR insanity (It was Fernando who made that list for Axl, right? )

@Andy14 LOL! We love you too, Axl!

57 minutes ago, giuls said:

I'm gonna think it was a lover spat, Duff knows Slash doesn't react well at Axl's crazy 

shhhh, don't shatter my fantasy   

I'm not going to, it's a nice fantasy lol. And from what we can see, it was close enough to something like that anyway probably

But seriously, if @Blackstars interpretation is correct, how sweet is it that Duff goes to comfort Slash because Axl was being mean to him

34 minutes ago, Frey said:

Hahaha 

I saw that post before you edited it and was surprised that you would use the f-word to refer to that guy. 

Weird though that a harmless word like t.r.o.l.l. is censored.

And yeah, Alan Niven speculating Axl is bisexual because of Axl's clothing choices  That guy always brings the lulz.

Yeah, that's definitely not something I would say under normal circumstances. Thanks for realizing lol

27 minutes ago, killuridols said:

jesus the way fermanager sucks up to meegan and susan is disgusting

their Instagram accounts are a Nando drool fest

I saw something along these lines at least once as well 

Also when Beta posts videos of Slash. Hilarious considering she even refused to be in the same room with him not too long ago.

4 hours ago, tiutso said:

I thinkit's been said that Axl might've been sick. He's kinda leaning forward in one of the sequences, Slash seems to be checking up on him.

3 hours ago, giuls said:

I don't know, it seems to me that the majority of the cuddling comes from Axl, he's blurry but he seems affectionate not sick?
 

I'm not really seeing sickness there either. The only moment where Axl looks kind of bent over and Slash looks like he might be checking on him is the one around 2:20.

For the rest of the video they just seem to be cuddling. In that first scene Slash is cuddling Axl and even leaning on him/putting his weight on him. Would you do that to an already sick and fragile person? And in the other scenes Axl is cuddling Slash.

I mean they did similar stuff at other shows, but such extensive and prolonged cuddling and all of that during only one show is pretty unusual for them. Not that I'm complaining, but

3 hours ago, tiutso said:

Damn, even that complaint topic is a wild read I find myself agreeing with the people who are pissed about the topic being locked, but I also remember the original poster of that topic, and I remember him as a huge t.r.o.l.l. (Why the fuck does the board censor the word t.r.o.l.l. with "Hooray for tolerance"?! It made me look like I used a homophobic slur in that context )

And if his entire basis for claiming Axl was sexually attracted to Slash was the way Axl dresses... Let's just say he might get along really well with Alan Niven then.

4 hours ago, Andy14 said:

I'm suspicious that he's one of us . We need to find out . Any tips?

Lol, I really hope that he's never seen this thread, for his own good 

Axl has a very distinctive writing style. I haven't noticed anyone on this forum writing in a similar way, so I'm not supecting any particular posters here lol. But he could still be a lurker

And yes, I agree with you, I hope he never sees it either. He might not realize that we actually love him very much, despite all our shit-talking here

43 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I am like him

I'm always assuming people are out to get me

The sad thing is, I am too in some regards. I wouldn't jump to the same conclusion as him about the contact lenses, but I'm like that about other stuff. Part of me always gets freaked out about people secretely hating me and only pretending to like me. Or when people don't reply to text messages on the phone I worry about them ignoring me for some sinister reason. I also constantly worry about people (as in relatives, neighbors, etc.) talking badly about me behind my back. Shit like this keeps me from sleeping at night.

This is also why I've never criticised Axl about being too senistive about what other people say and the whole media/press problem. Because I'm exactly the same and would get just as upset as Axl about people talking shit behind my back or in the media.

2 hours ago, RooSaa said:

Fuck you Slash/I love you too is from this concert, starts at 1:53:31. Unfortunately there is a cut inbetween, can't see the talk but they seem to have argued about something?

 

Thank you for posting that @RooSaa! Wish there was an uncut version

@Mandy123 There's a nice Sluff moment in this when Slash starts playing KOHD (around 1:55:55). I love how Duff just walks up to Slash and cuddles him. He seemed to do that quite often judging by all these videos and gifs of him doing something like that. 

44 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

1 hour ago, Frey said:

No, I think RooSaa is right and the key to this lies in the cut piece of the video.

Here's what I think happened:

During the missing piece of the video Slash said something to the audience, making a dedication to someone or something. 

Axl didn't really get it at first, but then when Slash started playing, it hit Axl what Slash had just said and Axl was either genuinely annoyed/pissed off by it or... fondly annoyed, in an exasperated or amused kind of way.

Yeah, this is what I make out from the video too. I think Axl was really pissed off, judging from his reaction when Duff sat by him; he immediately got up and it seems like he looked at Duff angrily. Then, when Axl was off stage, Duff went to Slash and told him something (maybe consoling him?). And when Axl came back, he didn't interact with anyone.

This is a really good point @Blackstar!!!

I had noticed Axl immediately getting away from Duff, and I had noticed Duff cuddling Slash after Axl's little tantrum, but I somehow hadn't put it together with Axl's behavior

And yes, it does look like Duff was comforting Slash. He hugged him and probably also said something to him.

This is getting more and more interesting

48 minutes ago, tiutso said:

Eh, I don't think there's a calm and rational thought process at play? Mood swings that have to do with mental illness (if we're theorizing there's one involved) don't really need a reasonable trigger. Even if you deal with less intense issues than a biporal disorder, like a generalized depression, some rather innocent incidents can instantly send you down an uncontrollable spiral of self-disgust towards suicidal ideation or somethig alike. You're not gonna just sit them down and say, "Come on, no reason to be paranoid".

Yeah, that's basically what I was saying, only I wasn't very nice about it (shouldn't have called him cray-cray). His behavior there definitely wasn't very rational and can most likely be blamed on some kind of mental health issue, yes.

57 minutes ago, tiutso said:

1 hour ago, Lumikki said:

And shouldn't that thread still be around somewhere if it was from 2012? Or did it get deleted? If you know the title of the thread or something it should be easy to find.

No, that's the point. It got deleted quite soon after being opened up, and the only reason I found out about it was because the OP created another to complain about that first one being deleted 

17 hours ago, Lumikki said:

When I was 14 or so, I basically learned English from reading Izzy/Axl and Slaxl (and also some Sluff) fan fiction. I'm not even joking

lmao

Who was the OP of that thread? I'm angry at myself for not remembering if I ever read that thread or not. It sounds like it must have been pretty hilarious

No one can ever say again GNR fan fiction isn't good for anything. It teaches bored little children new languages at least

24 minutes ago, Frey said:

That MySpace thing is hilarious, but the entire quote is interesting actually:

Quote

He continued, "I haven't spoken to Axl since 1988, but we still have a lot of mutual friends. I don't wish him ill, but it's hard because he never stops saying bad things about me. He was on my MySpace page doing that very recently.

"Axl's problem is that if people don't support him a hundred percent in what he's doing, he just doesn't want to know them anymore. He's so talented, but that talent comes from being a nervous wreck and some place in your head you need to be happy, which he isn't."

This rings very true to me. The first thing is definitely true (is that kind of black and white thinking indicative of something?), and I've also always suspected that Axl is actually really fucking insecure and full of anxieties.

Yes, I agree. I always thought Axl was a ball of nervous energy and insecurity as well. He seems to be doing much better these days though.

24 minutes ago, Frey said:

It is. (And yes, I watched that video, don't look at me like that )

This is what Axl says:

"Fuck you, Slash!"

"I know what that little dedication is about."

"I love you too." (Axl was being sarcastic, because Slash had done something to piss him off.)

 

I'm actually curious about that little incident. Wth is going on there? What did Slash do to piss Axl off? (And what show is that from?)

Please explain this to me, oh wise ladies of the womens' thread

(The end of that video if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about)

 

I just watched that video again and I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

It's such an interesting little exchange. And the only time we've ever heard Axl say "I love you" to Slash, even if he did in an annoyed/grumpy/sarcastic way

Also that entire bit between 1:20 and 2:40. That's all from the same concert, right? @Asia help pls

(I admit, I actually haven't watched many of these old GNR shows. Which show is that anyway?)

I mean, WTH WAS GOING ON WITH THEM THAT DAY?!!

It's like they spent the entire show just cuddling with each other and being all over each other. They're extraordinarily affectionate and clingy there.

Drunk? High? Or a special day for them or something?

@tiutso I have a lot of GnR pics, but I've never seen HQ versions of the ones you want unfortunately I only have another one from that same shoot where Slash looks completely passed out on the couch lol.

And shouldn't that thread still be around somewhere if it was from 2012? Or did it get deleted? If you know the title of the thread or something it should be easy to find.

11 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/tracii-guns-on-guns-n-roses-reunion-i-think-its-the-greatest-thing-there-could-be-for-rock-and-roll-right-now/

He continued, "I haven't spoken to Axl since 1988, but we still have a lot of mutual friends. I don't wish him ill, but it's hard because he never stops saying bad things about me. He was on my MySpace page doing that very recently.

I dunno if this is true or not 

...

So in 2007 Axl used to have a MySpace account and apparently used it to harrass Tracii Guns.

...

........

...........

.................

I don't even know what to say to this. Just... Axl 

And it's even more proof of something we already knew: That Axl spends a lot of time on the internet (Not that I have any room to judge lol).

Why have I never heard this hilarious story before lol.

11 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

@Lumikki You can skip those part, You have to read it, its awesome fic
 

Maybe I will pick it up again some time. Though I suspect that would rip my heart out with the direction this story seems to be heading in.

15 hours ago, killuridols said:

Crazy but do you think is it true? I'd love to see pictures of that.... Because it reminded me of something and I became

Quote

 

Vicky had organized a meeting to sign the long-awaited contract with several record executives at Geffen in March 1986. But on the day Axl lost his contact lenses and refused to go. He flew into a rage thinking someone had stolen his contact lenses, refused to go to the meeting and stormed out of the house telling the others to 'go without him'.

Vicky recalled: 'All I wanted to do was get down there and sign the contract and the clock in my mind was going tick tock and it's getting later and later. I'm just thinking "Don't blow it, let's get the money". 'In my mind I was thinking: "Please God just let me get my apartment back to myself." 'What was going through Axl's head was "Who took my contact lenses so I can't read the contract?"

'Then we eventually found him sitting on top of the Whisky A Go Go, in an easy pose looking over the city where he would become the new reigning king.' Axl had climbed up to the roof via a fire escape.

Eventually he was persuaded to come down after Slash told him his contacts had been found - in his pants.

 

 

Well, I wouldn't put anything past Axl, so I could see it being true. And as your quote shows, he apparently loves to climb around on roofs

Thanks for posting that quote by the way. I've always been curious about that incident. Because it's one of these baffling Axl things where you just ask yourself "Why is him not finding his contact lenses such a big deal? Why does he freak out like that just because he can't find them and makes everyone late for such an important event?" I mean people constantly lose things, annoying yes, but no reason to be such a drama queen about it.

If what Vicky says is true, that Axl was thinking something along the lines of "Who took my contact lenses so I can't read the contract?" (first time I've heard that), then well... that's some really fucking paranoid thinking right there.  Makes him seem pretty cray-cray. I mean, what's more likely, you just having misplaced your contacts somewhere or someone among your friends having made an evil plan to steal them so you can't read what the company (that they're apparently conspiring with) makes you sign. Jeeeez. (And what was keeping him from just wearing his glasses anyway? Or having someone else read the contract for him? No wait, probably not trustworthy enough...)

Side Note: Does that mean Axl is far-sighted? Because reading a contract shouldn't be a problem if he's near-sighted.

Also LOL at the mental image of Slash going through Axl's dirty clothes in search of the contact lenses.   (Because it was Slash who found the contact lenses in the pockets of some pants Axl had worn 2 days ago or so.)

16 hours ago, Mandy123 said:

This was at that Storage space on Gardner. They had no PA system for Axl, so they'd scream in each other's ears during rehearsal to get things across. Both Duff and Slash said in their books that normally they couldn't hear Axl singing during rehearsals, so sometimes they'd hear songs for the 1st time with the lyrics on stage. 

Ah, thanks. That's what I suspected, but I've always found that picture interesting because Axl looks so fucked up and exhausted and Duff looks pretty angry while screaming there lol.

The only thing I like about this video is seeing Axl bound and gagged. And lying around on the bed in his undies. Slash's pretty hot there too.

Rest of it sucks.

Song is okay, but nothing special. Definitely don't want to hear it played at a show. Enough covers already.

19 hours ago, Blackstar said:

On the other hand, Axl wanted to evolve artistically and intellectually (and he had great potential for that, with his family background, mental and emotional issues being withstanding factors). He has always wanted to reach a more intellectual audience, beyond enraged teenagers, mid-western Americans like him and brainless metalheads (and this is why he has cared so much about what the critics say), which is contradictory to his public social life, but he doesn't seem to understand it. He wanted to work and be related with acclaimed musicians, but most of them avoided him (and those he did work with were there, to be honest, because the paycheck was very tempting), something that has been partially Axl's own fault and partially a result of a preconceived opinion of him, because people disliked him without knowing him personally. In general, Axl's public image and notoriety made him avoidable, even despised and hated, by many people. This, along with the loss of old friends one way or another and all his problems, made him vulnerable to people like Andrei and other leeches. And from a point on, this lifestyle and this kind of people became Axl's comfort zone and the life he is used to live. This doesn't make him a bad person (I agree with @Frey).

I don't consider Axl a "bad person" in general. He's done things that I don't like, but he has showed some good traits. And the hate he has received as a public figure is disproportionate to what he actually is and highly based on misconceptions of facts.

I also don't think that he was ever really racist. When One In A Million came out I was very angry with Axl's ignorance and because it attracted every racist nazi scum, something that the band didn't deserve. And what Axl was saying in interviews I watched didn't make it any better. His views were a result of prejudice, ignorance, naivete and lack of experiences (all due to the social environment he was brought up in), which are conditions for a person to become a racist, but after having read other interviews, I believe that he honestly wanted to understand what was wrong with the song (after the shit hit the fan, of course, but regardless) and he wasn't listening to and promoting hip hop groups like Public Enemy and NWA to save face; he was really interested to know what was going on with the racial issues. As for homophobia, I think he had (and probably still has) some of that, although it contradicts (another of his contradictions) the conscious choice of a less macho-manly (and almost androgynous) look, the Elton John affinity, etc. (I'm not going into the question of his sexuality, because there isn't solid proof that his is other than heterosexual). And yes, Izzy was pissed off with OIAM and the one who tried the most to talk some sense to Axl about the "n*ers" and "immigrants" thing, but I suspect he didn't have such a big problem with the homophobic line, judging from his reaction on the Accept lyrics story.

The first bolded sentence: Omg, this is one of the things that frustrates me so much about him. But he just doesn't get it I really wish for him to get the kind of respect and recognition he wants, but at the rate he is going, this is never gonna happen.

I agree with what you said about his screwed up views, though I called it racism for short. But one of Axl's better traits is that he is quite willing to learn and change his opinions when given new information, so I think he's probably come pretty far from his OIAM days. Not quite enough to get the Tumblr seal of approval though. I remember that one guy who met him in 2006 said he was making mildly racist jokes about the waiters or something.

As for Izzy, to his credit he did actually bring the homophobia issue up at least once as well. I remember him apparently saying something like "And so what if they're f***tts? Why does it matter?" to Axl one of these occasions when he was trying to talk him out of these lyrics. Sure, the slur's not very nice, but he had the right idea at least.

20 hours ago, Frey said:

Really? Why, what about him? 

Thing is, I have no horse in this race. I'm no chick who's got the hots for Axl and gets jealous of the women he dates/fucks and I'm also not gay or a homophobe, so I also don't care if he wants to fuck Slash (or other dudes). 

So I think I'm fairly neutral and unbiased. 

But despite the fact that he's kinda flashy, he's never really pinged my gaydar. Not saying he definitely isn't gay/bi (some of the Slaxl stuff discussed here in this thread for example is kinda eyebrow raising, I'll admit), but I can just never really see it when people think he's gay.

I'm conflicted about this. Axl doesn't usually ping my gaydar, but every now and then some things make me think.

I think I've said this before, but if he is gay/bi, then I think he's one of these people who'll never come forward about it, maybe even never act on it.

5 hours ago, Frey said:

 fact of the day:

Not only Fernando's and Vanessa's daughters have the middle name Rose, but also the daughter of Beta's oldest son. 

So 3 out of 4 of Beta's grandchildren are named after Axl. And the fourth one is a boy (but maybe his middle name is Rose too. Or Axl.) 

I am so creeped out by this. It's so...cult-like and a supreme display of ass kissing. 

Maybe they feel they have to considering that Axl is by now financing the lifes of at least 10 different Lebeises (if not more). 

I saw that too. So the kid (Giselle I think?) that Sasha sometimes babysits (or used to babysit) is named after Axl too. Lovely

Speaking of Lebeises. Saw that pic of Axl on Tumblr. That old guy next to Axl is Beta's brother or something, right? And I think he works for Axl too 

10 hours ago, Andy14 said:

 

FINALLY SLASH IS SMILING BACK AT AXL!!! AND HE LOOKS JUST AS IN LOVE AS AXL DOES

PLEASE LET THERE BE A BETTER QUALITY VERSION OF THIS MOMENT 

4 hours ago, Andy14 said:

and here's another cute pic 

(I posted the original uncut to the concert thread but I guess this is all we want to see in this thread )

OMG, LOOK AT THESE SMILES!!! They're all so big and bright!

Especially Axl's smile is just so GAAAHHH It's so good to see him so happy!

11 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Pizza...sandwiches at night...Duff will go mad 

 

Duff will be like this when he finds out:

And Axl will look like this as well, because Duff is going to make him and Slash exercise until all the pizza and sandwhiches are burned off.

(I realize Axl is more likely high on god knows what in that picture, rather than exhausted, but it works.

Also does anyone know what is actually going on in that picture??? I've always wondered...)

@Andy14 Out of likes, but LOL at that comparison post! And thanks for all the other cute pictures and Slaxl stuff.

@Asia Adorable video! You really should make another one! I've seen that video before, but I had no idea someone from this forum had made it

Also we should make a list or something of all the cute Slaxl moments that happened during this tour. I feel like I'm already starting to forget some

17 hours ago, killuridols said:

Okay, guess it's good to see Axl and Slash were partying together at least with all these models...

But also "Rose was seen on the roof sitting on the hotel's giant sign."  Sitting on that sign?? Do I need to start worrying not just about him breaking his legs or hips, but also about him breaking his neck or splattering his brains on the ground now?

11 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

The Statue photo is funny  

Slash and Duffs missus' do literally go everywhere with them. I can't figure out whether it's sweet, or a bit of daren't let them out of their sight. 

I saw Loaded in 2009 at Download. They were on the third stage not even head lining, like totally just a little tent in a field in a metal heads festival full of mud and piss. But could see Duff waiting to go on, he was raging about something, think Andy Copping had messed up the timings cos the tent wasn't full as Motley Crüe were due on at the around the same time. His wife was there then, I just thought why the hell would she wanna leave her lovely house in LA to slum it in a pissy field in Derbyshire 

I would absolutely trust Duff on his own. According to him he didn't even cheat on his wife back in the day and he talks a lot about how important being faithful is to him (because he doesn't want to be like his father and stuff like that). Never cheated on Susan either. Duff's a good guy. 

Slash on the other hand.... HAHAHAHA. Ha. No. Would definitely not let that one out of my sight. Would probably chain him to my wrist. Good thing I'll never date Slash.

17 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Ok so who said "Show Me Your bums, Ax" at 7:14

Izzy?

Yes, it's Izzy but he says "Show 'em your buns, Ax" (them, not me. and buns, not bums). Still  though.

10 hours ago, tiutso said:

Listen, this is really dumbass but everytime I see this pic, I have to do a double take and check that it's a guitar strap on Slash's back and he doesn't have overalls on. And everytime a thought crosses my mind.

Consider: young Slash in denim overalls. That's it. Thank you for your attention.

 But like the cute kind, not the construction site kind 

I can only offer you VERY YOUNG Slash in denim overalls 

15 hours ago, tiutso said:

The morning wood problems are probably more urgent in this situation 

Well, is it safe to conclude that every gf Slash ever had looked like Axl yet or? 

Yes, every GF Slash ever had looked like Axl. It's a serious affliction. He can't help but be attracted to Axl look-alikes.

Morning wood problems? I didn't even think of that But they could have taken care of these "problems" for each other

8 hours ago, Mandy123 said:

Just to get a little balance , I saw some cute Sluff action during WTTJ. And someone in the concert thread said they were sharing a mic during Paradise City??? 

Slaxl. Sluff. Duff/Axl. Izzy/Axl. I WANT ALL OF IT.

17 hours ago, sanity_lost said:

While I enjoy reading this thread I don't typically post in it because my opinion generally goes against the norm in here. Not so sure anyone wants me to start adding my somewhat skewed perspective and out of the norm opinions in here 

Well, as long as your opinions are based on more than fake articles created by spam sites, I don't think anyone would mind

19 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

- He's just like good big Brother even tho Axl is the oldest one 

- Slaxl19 on Rockfic has the best GN'R Fanfics

- Thats cute, Dont forget before Slaxl theres Izzaxl  But yeah unlike Slash, Izzy seems ignoring/giving cold shoulder to Axl 

- Yes, sometimes he does seem that way

- Yes, she's a really good writer. I started reading her most recent story some time ago, but stopped at some point because all the graphic child abuse in that one was a bit to me...

- I do love Izzaxl as well. As you can see by my avatar  When I was 14 or so, I basically learned English from reading Izzy/Axl and Slaxl (and also some Sluff) fan fiction. I'm not even joking

@Andy14 LOL! A worthy 1000th post I say. I can't pick a favorite, but I love that you included Izzy and even people like Eddie Trunk and Baz.  Deaf Brian made me crack up too lol.

8 hours ago, giuls said:

Actually, in his book, when he and Axl were living in their rehersal place, Slash said: "Eventually, Izzy decided that at the least, Axl and I should have a proper bed, so one day, he and Steven found some two-by-fours and built a makeshift queen-size loft over the drum kit." so they actually shared a bed.

  I had completely forgotten about that!! Thanks for reminding me lol.

Gotta admit I really like that bit of info. For obvious Slaxl reasons, but I also wonder if that ever caused cute little problems, like you know, if Axl maybe moves around in his sleep a lot and hit Slash in the face or stomach with his elbow or knee lol. Or if one of them hogged all the blankets. Or if Slash pissed himself again. Can't imagine Axl was very thrilled to wake up in a wet bed because of Slash

And how nice of Izzy to build them a a bed lol!

8 hours ago, giuls said:

8 hours ago, tiutso said:

This is an entire fanfic trope right here 

Right? And there aren't many fics about this time period, i'm disappointed tbh 

8 hours ago, tiutso said:

I'm pretty sure I actually read something on Rockfic that was about a loft bed 

It really is like something straight out of fanfic 

And yes, I'm annoyed about the lack of fic from this period and the period when Axl was living with Slash as well. Oh and also the lack of stuff about the current period.

I kind of wish we had a fan fic sharing or recommendation thread or something. I like to read (and that includes fan fic), but I'm usually too lazy to even look for any because most of it is crap.

7 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

I forgot, It wasnt in Slash book but its in this interview, but yeah He never told tht He slept on the couch

http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Reptile-Experts/Interviews/Slash-Guns-Roses/

So everyone in Guns N' Roses knows about Clyde?

Oh, yeah. A lot of people know about Clyde. We had another snake named Bonnie, who was a small retic, while Axl was living at my house. One night Axl was sleeping on the floor, and I woke up and couldn't sleep at about four in the morning. My snakes were kept off of one of the bathrooms, and there was a hole in the side of their cage that wasn't completely covered by a piece of wood. They would sometimes push out, crawl over the wood and come into the bedroom, which was no big deal.

But anyway, one night I woke up at four and saw this retic right next to Axl, who is sleeping on the floor. I woke Axl up and said, "Axl, don't move! Whatever you do, don't move!" (laughs). The snake was really close, just like this (Slash holds his hand in front of his face like a snake's head). This retic was just sitting there...and sitting there. And Axl's not a snake guy, man. The snake never would have bit him, but Axl didn't know that (laughs). I kept saying, "Don't move. Just stay there!" This went on for almost an hour.

So, did Axl get back to sleep that night after you put the snake away?

No. He never even slept on the floor again!

 

So I guess The share bed again since couch in the living room is off limits

Well after the snake incident, Axl defintely had to sleep in Slash's bed For safety reasons. And Slash's bed definitely must have been the safest place (and there weren't any other options either, like you said @SerenityScorp) 

2 hours ago, giuls said:

 

 

That's the first time Meegan has ever reminded me of Axl face-wise. The slanted Asian looking eyes combined with the cheekbones remind me of some of Axl's pictures where he's smiling in a similar kind of way.

2 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Lol, finally I know what happens when you reach 1000 posts, I was two posts above and they got deleted for being in a wrong thread 

So maybe I'm not allowed more than that 

Well would you look at Sporty Spice over here! 

And where's that gif from anyway? I feel like I can't keep up with anything but the women's thread anymore these days

8 hours ago, Jane M. said:

You deal with young Izzy and throw 54 y/o Izzy to me. I'll deal with his mood swings, thinning hair and avocadoes. I'd do him in less than a heartbeat.

I finally listened to that '06 Eddie Trunk interview and omg I laughed so much. Axl was like a totally different person. He was telling jokes, old stories, laughing, being funny. I couldn't believe it. Sebastian was hilarious, as always.

I don't know why, but for some reason this was really cute to me Glad someone's showing grumpy neurotic Izzy some love. And you can send me some of the avocados, I love these things.

And yes, Axl is really funny and charming for the most part there.

3 hours ago, Frey said:

Well you know I did that quite a lot when I was younger. Not sure about the differences though, girl sleepovers always seemed kind of mysterious to me lol. Have they never talked about that? Somehow I always feel like Izzy has talked a lot about growing up in Lafayette.

The only thing I remember Izzy saying about Axl being at their house when they were kids is something about his mom being very nice and patient. Because Izzy and Axl used to make a ton of noise in the Isbell's garage apparently and Izzy's mom always let them and never complained or something like that.

Okay, more serious stuff first, then on to the Slaxl/bed sharing discussion and gifs lol...

5 hours ago, giuls said:

About Axl, there were also West Arkeen and Del, but again, I think Axl isn't a bad person, i think he's vulnerable, predatory people flocks toward people with mental problems because many are afraid of abandonment, you know, the "you'll never find someone who will put up with you" thing and in early 2000s thing for Axl were so bad that he wanted to check himself in a psychiatric hospital allegedly, TB were the ones that stayed with him so i can see why he would stay loyal, plus, he tends to want to help his friend out financially, Dizzy was his friend before entering the band, he entered the band because Axl wanted to help him.

Yes, I agree with this. The number of creepy predatory people around him is worrying, and so is his lack of friends, but I don't think it's because he's a bad person.

Or maybe I'm just feeling particularly soft-hearted when it comes to Axl at the moment. My opinion of him tends to fluctuate a little from time to time

15 minutes ago, Frey said:

I'd argue that the fact that he does pay people to be his friends/family actually rather indicates that he is NOT a rotten person.

Truly rotten people (like psychopaths for example) don't care about having friends or family (except if these "friends" are somehow useful to them). They would never pay someone and do nice things for them (expensive presents, surprise birthday parties etc) just to keep them company.

What this mostly shows me is that Axl is lonely (like he has even complained about before) and desperate enough for companionship and affection to even pay people to give him that.

@Andy14Which is very human and indicative of someone who's actually quite sensitve and vulnerable, rather than someone so nasty that no one would want to be his friend.

I also agree with this. Honestly, him paying people to be his family and friends has always just seemed sad and kinda heart-breaking to me, more than anything else...

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

I'm not saying Axl is nasty or malevolent but in order to hang out so much with certain people you gotta find some common ground. Andrei tours with him, so how do you tolerate for months someone you have nothing in common with?

To me this is not a matter of auras or stuff like that. We dont know Nur Khan at all, we dont know Andrei and we know Axl to a certain extent. I dislike Khan and Andrei because of what they show me, not some imaginary thing. Andrei shows me that he makes a living by "using" women (I could use a harsher word but I don't want to judge without evidence). Organizing hives of models for Hollywood parties or celebrity parties I dont feel it is a particular talent to be proud of. Picking women from a crowd of thousands, based on age and looks, just to sexually expose them to men who could be their fathers is not something to be proud of. Nur Khan doesn't strike me as "malevolent", lol, or creep... More like one of those many guys who work the night life, with all the things associated to it (alcohol, drugs, prostitution, shady characters). Maybe he's a good person with his family and friends but his job, ugh, that's something I have no respect for. It all seems so fake.... Yeah, I know it is a business. He's friendly to Axl because Axl is his client, a good paying client, a high paying client. Khan benefits a lot from hanging out with Axl: exposition, fame, more celebrities coming to his clubs. In conclusion, more $$$$ to his pockets. That's what this shit is all about.

Axl is part of that ugly market and that ugly circuit of consuming women like they were cigarettes. That is a dark and sad side of him. I dont know if this is something related to his childhood issues, the way he was raised, his mental inestability or whatever but it is not cool. And he's 54 years old. You'd think by that age you could have fixed or corrected whatever came wrong from your childhood. I mean, at some point, the way you run your life is entirely in your hands. Not your parents or relatives or friends.

I don't know if he's a rotten person. I don't know him, that's the truth. I like to think he's not like that but that's only because I've been following him for decades and have a couple more elements than the average person or the casual fan. But if you check outside these forums, most people deem Axl as an asshole, a douchebag and someone that should not be given any kind of pardon/indulgence/pity or slack.

Right now he is a puzzle to me. Not like he was easier to understand before. But for the most part of the last 10 years, he's pretty much a mistery and on top of that, all we see from him are these awful things, partying, alcohol, being bloated, fat, with terrible voice.....

We've been enjoying this new Axl who seems to be doing great in the shows only for the last 4 months. I really hope and wish and pray that he remains great like this for a long long time but you never know with him, and still there are things that are not so clear about his career and life.

So I'm sorry @Lumikki, I hate shitting on your parade ....... Not seeing the freak show and Sasha around is a relief, but maybe its just an illusion, just because we dont see them in pictures doesnt mean they are not around. Same with Nur Khan, Andrei and the rest..... the bad thing is that when they disappear, someone else will replace them. That's how his life's been for a long time.

You know, I actually agree with most of what you wrote (though I can't picture Nur Khan as secretely being a nice family guy if he goes for 12 year old looking girlfriends). All these things you described are what make me dislike people like Nur Khan and Andrei too. But all that stuff we know and all these stories that keep coming out about them here and elsewhere are more like a confirmation of something I already suspected to me. The very first time I saw Nur Khan I didn't know shit about him, but he immediately gave me chills (something about the dead serial killer look in his eyes maybe) and my first reaction was to think "Someone get that guy away from Axl!". I swear I'm not a Yoda type person who's into all kinds of esoteric bullshit or anything like that lol, but I do believe there's value in trusting your instincts. That's what I do in real life when I meet new people and I guess part of me also automatically does that with people I only know from pictures/videos/stories. 

Not sure if Andrei and Axl actually hang out that much either. Maybe Axl just likes the fact that Andrei can easily get him girls and knows all the best clubs and is easy to party with or something. In my experience a lot of men tend to be not very discerning about who they hang out with as long as they're fun to party with, the alcohol flows, the chicks are there... Maybe that's all the common ground they have and need. But whatever the case may be, I wish someone would ask Axl about this whole issue. I'd really like to hear from his perspective why he's basically hiring a pimp, etc. I'd also like to know what Duff thinks about this (can't imagine Slash would be too bothered ). Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole prostitution/women as consumable products aspect hadn't even really occured to him. I'm willing to bet that none of the men in my home town (at least those around Axl's age) would understand the problem with that whole arrangement either (they'd most likely just be jealous of Axl and his awesome rock star life). Male privilege and all that.

I don't know, I'm not denying the possibility that Axl might be more fucked up and nastier than I tend to believe, but right now I'm feeling pretty charitable towards him (and stuff like the China Exchange interview, even though not particularly enlightening, have only furthered my positive impression), so I'm not quite willing to believe the worst of him just yet (I'll wait until he puts his foot in his mouth again for that ).

4 hours ago, stella said:

I can't stand AC/DC but I actually wish they were doing another show in my city; it might be a chance to meet Axl with less crowds than the GnR shows. I went to one of the shows on this NITL tour and I didn't even try to wait for the band. But he seems to have signed stuff pretty regularly with AC/DC.

Yes, I've noticed that too. There were fan meetings after practically every ACDC concert, but I barely saw any during the NITL tour (except for these people who had backstage passes). It really was relatively easy to get to Axl as long as you knew where they were staying during the ACDC tour.

Maybe GNR as a whole tend to isolate themselves more and their whole organization is more structured towards shielding them from the public, compared to ACDC. Because I was pretty surprised how lax the ACDC guys were about security and stuff like that. Didn't exist basically. Angus (and his wife) and the other guys in the band wandered in and out of the hotel and around the whole city all day long. Always on their own, never with any bodyguards, just like regular people. Sometimes they got stopped by fans who recognized them, which would lead to them chatting with the fans or quickly posing for pictures or signing autographs. And that was that.

With Axl it was noticably different- he didn't leave the hotel during the entire 5 days they were staying there. People only got to see him when they arrived, when he had to leave for the concert, when he returned from the concert, and when they left for the next city. And all these times he was surrounded by bodyguards and entourage. BUT he still stopped in front of the hotel after the show to give people autographs and pictures, like he'd done in the other cities as well. I get the impression Angus maybe kind of expected him to do that/made him do that because all the other guys in ACDC did that as well (and usually do apparently according to the ACDC fans I spoke to). Though the ACDC guys were way more relaxed about it, they actually took their time, chatted to people etc. while Axl was clearly just trying to get something he doesn't like doing over with as quickly as possible.