Lumikki

1 hour ago, tiutso said:

Yeah, The Discourse™ is fun and all, but I don't think people realize how much of it is posturing. And how much of it is memetically spread meta stuff that kids are into; like, being aware of the most earnest members of your fandom and being purposefully ironic/mocking about it is arguably the defining characteristic of any group you could wander into now. A lot of those isn't truthful. Lana Del Rey came in with her sugar baby of a wealthy man aesthetic and it's an entire archetype that people enjoy playing into. It's always been there, in the very same circles of young groupies in the 70s. I guess you could say it's a behavioural aesthetic? If that makes sense. Except that most of the girls exchanging this now are the very same ones who are very stern in their rants about predatory males, so I guess this marks the actual difference between the girls of the past who might actually go for it, and these ones, for whom it is posturing. You can't extract it entirely. But this is safer than most anything girls used to before the internet age.

It's a trend in the same way that calling your faves 'rats' and telling them to delete their accounts is. I suppose you couldn't really explain to an outsider why it is percieved to be an endearment and not an insult  

This is A Thing, you know? A lot of it is continually taking a piss, and then taking a piss out of the people who can't distinguish between what's geniune and what's ~i r o n i c~ :

http://67.media.tumblr.com/a10e9bfb1525da9435bef9a7816d1fbe/tumblr_oaz9oea3yE1vbap7wo1_400.jpg
http://66.media.tumblr.com/77be40d7af9041850586b4e836b68328/tumblr_oaz9oea3yE1vbap7wo2_400.jpg
http://65.media.tumblr.com/7c55b2b5b38f04c6ab24ffaef8523a87/tumblr_oaz9oea3yE1vbap7wo3_400.jpg
http://67.media.tumblr.com/b7f0534243a8a62df93cf339450791ce/tumblr_oaz9oea3yE1vbap7wo4_400.jpg

I'm gonna leave these as links so as not to shock anyone 

 

Yeah, exactly. This is why I think it's not that big of a deal and why I said it's just a teenager thing. Similar to these kids on Tumblr calling themselves and others trash in a fond/affectionate/approving way.

But it does weird me out personally a bit on an instinctual level. And I think it was @killuridols who said that, but I agree there's a bit of a difference between random Tumblr kiddies who have nothing to do whatsoever with the band talking like that and a kid who actually probably knows Axl and sees him regularly talking like that. It adds a whole new weird dimension lol.

Also doesn't Lana Del Rey call Axl daddy as well in one of her songs? I have vague memories of a Lana Del Rey lyrics discussion thread...

And I'll stop talking about this now because I'm still in my 20s for a few more years, but this topic makes me feel like I'm pushing 80

@marlingrl03 Lucy Bleu and Scarlet (Scarlet Rae?) I think.

@dgnr Maybe not killed, but you should definitely be banned for finding Andrei hot WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GIRL??!!!!

Anyway, here's a random cute picture of each of the guys to purge this thread of the the awful daddy topic (I'm sorry for ever bringing this up, I didn't mean to cause this Please accept this as an apology )

@Kira I'd guess she's around 15. The other daughter just graduated from high school (Slash was at her graduation, that's why he had to fly back from London immediately after he and Duff surprised Axl there) and this one seems to be 2 or 3 years younger. So I'd say Meegan's girls are probably 18 and 15/16. And no, it was definitely Axl she called Daddy. It was a picture from the San Francisco show apparently.

@RooSaa Like I said, just happened during the SF show, so that's why you've never heard it.

Guys, I cringed too, but I wouldn't take it too seriously without knowing anything else about it. It's probably just some weird teenager thing we're too old to understand. I've seen that kind of thing on Tumblr too. People that I assume to be teenagers tagging pictures of Axl or Slash or Robert Downey jr. or whoever with "daddy".

@killuridols they named one of their cats after Axl? I don't follow any of Duff's or Slash's children on IG, but I have seen some pictures and I know they have 4 grey cats (one for each of them). This cute picture of Slash with two of the cats was posted here somewhere some time ago.

I also remember reading somewhere that Slash named his cat Angus (), and Meegan mentioned two of the others being Effy and Violet.

So Effy, Violet, Angus and... Axl?

Fun Fact: This is not even the first time that Slash has a cat named Axl. I remember Slash talking about his cat Axl in an old interview from the 90s or the 2000s or something. He said that the cat was agressive and difficult and liked to piss all over the place, so he named the cat Axl

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

I can't read that... what does it say? Drunk?

Are those the after parties organized by the Bailey siblings?

I'm sorry I'm not understanding any of this........ Weren't we talking about how much Axl suffered because of Stephanie allegedly cheating on him and being depressed in the Paris show, then cancelling shows because he couldn't take it anymore.....? but these pictures show he's having a great time with strippers and women and alcohol and whatever... I mean, that doesn't like a guy depressed or sad because of a woman not loving him or cheating on him

On top of that, he was trying to go back to Erin? while keeping Stephanie?

My head can't handle all this information or there's a missing link here....

Yes, I remember reading that picture is from one of these after parties

You're not wrong about that and I've thought about it before. I think the issue here is that Axl has very high standards when it comes to how people are supposed to treat him, and if they treat him badly he gets really upset. But at the same time he doesn't seem to apply these same standards to how he himself treats other people. So apparently him trying to get back with Erin and doing god knows what at these parties is okay in his mind, but Stephanie doing the same to him? The horror! (Not that I'm defending Steph Seymour or anything, I can't stand her, but it has to be said...). Same with Erin. I think Axl would probably have flipped his shit if she cheated on him or something, but he did that to her all the time.

You can even apply that to Slash and Duff. Axl gets terribly upset and depressed for years because they don't like his music and called him an "idiot" or whatever it was that he said was so upsetting for him. Meanwhile he himself goes around calling other people cancer, sell-outs, soul-swapped doppelgangers, publically humiliates and abuses people on stage... It's definitely one of Axl's least likable and most irritating traits.

Just saw something on Tumblr about Meegan's younger daughter calling Axl daddy in one of her Instagram posts (in the new snap-chat like ones that disappear after a while, so you won't see it anymore if you go there now). She apparently posted a picture of Axl on stage and captioned it "Daddy". Now we know who the people are that call Axl daddy on social media @Andy14 People like Meegan's daughters apparently 

(Or maybe she just knows about Axl's and Slash's epic love, so that kinda makes Axl her step dad too. Or something.)

@RooSaa Thanks for posting that Myles quote, I've never seen that one before. Cute!

4 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

I just love how Axl wanted the pics for Himself so bad

So how many photos of You N' Slash tht You collected so far, Axl? 

Considering that Axl seems a bit OCD about documenting and keeping stuff, I wouldn't even be surprised if he actually had a Slash picture collection (or a Slaxl picture collection) stashed away somewhere 

1 hour ago, SerenityScorp said:

Well thts why He covers it with Gun

Hey Slash! Do You have tattoo for Axl? 

His Axl tattoo is in a very secret place, that's why we've never seen it (And Axl probably has a matching one.)

Just saw this on Duff's twitter. So sweet

Also I just saw that ugly new jacket again. Even worse paired with that ugly shirt. Christ I really hate some of Axl's shirts.

The worst 3 in my opinion are:

- the boobs and gas mask shirt

- the white shirt with the creepy teddy bear on it

- the show some class shirt

These 3 would be the first ones I'd burn. And all other copies of them as well, so that he can never get his hands on one of these again

@Mandy123 I guess my first GnR love was Duff as well. And then I slowly learned to appreciate the rest of the bunch too

And I'm so sorry, but I gotta join @Jane M. - my first thought was the Duggars as well (Yes, these people have even managed to appear on German TV (we mostly watch TV channels from Germany here in Austria) a couple of times... And thanks to people like the Duggars and our dear Axl I now know way more about religious whack jobs than I ever wanted to )

@tiutso I can't unsee this now WTH is going on there indeed.

@Andy14 Saaaame. I also used to read Bravo as a child in the 90s, but never touched it when I actually was a teenager. But wtf, there was Axl/GnR in your Bravo? Mine was non-stop Kelly Family, Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, Hanson etc. Never anything like GnR or any other kind of rock as far as I remember.

Also:

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

strč prst skrz krk. 

Could I maybe offer you a vowel? That tongue twister certainly twisted my tongue when I tried to say that

1 hour ago, stella said:

I remember that thing about Slash's dad being Jewish making the rounds for quite some time...trust Mick Wall to keep it going. >:(

Hard boiled eggs really aren't a big thing here to eat - pretty much the only time I saw them as a kid was when we dyed Easter eggs, and nobody ate those. I do remember one classmate who had them for lunch, but she brought them wrapped in foil in her lunchbox. Otherwise yeah, scrambled or sunny side up eggs are usually the breakfast go-to dishes. Or dishes made with egg, like omlettes or French toast. Although, even with those...a lot of people don't really sit down and have a full out breakfast unless it's the weekend. When I was growing up, it was pretty much a bowl of cereal or a granola bar and off I went. Pancakes were a weekend thing because nobody had time to make them otherwise. I remember going to England and Scandinava and kind of being stunned by those huge breakfasts...:D

You don't eat easter eggs? But what's the point of dyeing them if you don't eat them then?  They always get eaten here. Stores even sell dyed boiled eggs all year round, because people use them for lunch or to snack on or whatever. Same with regular (non-colored) boiled eggs. We have these for dinner sometimes (which is always a cold affair, no hot meals or anything). And hot boiled eggs for breakfast. Though most people actually don't have full breakfasts here either unless it's the weekend or a special occassion or something. I grew up having bread with butter and jam and chocolate milk for breakfast pretty much every day. But we did have hot boiled eggs in these egg cups on Sundays sometimes and my grandfather ate eggs like this every day for breakfast.

Gotta say, Mick Wall sounds like a real douche though for calling Stuart stupid for not knowing what egg cups are. If they didn't grow up with these things, it's not weird that he wouldn't know what they are

@pinkforgirls I've only ever seen these in pictures. But they look good, I should try making them some time.

1 hour ago, triad said:

I took Seymour's quote to mean that Axl acted like he was in the "terrible twos".  From Mayo Clinic, "most 2-year-olds still aren't able to ...clearly communicate their needs or control their feelings. This can lead to frustration, misbehavior and tantrums." 

Well that does sound just like Axl

It reminds me of something he wrote to Erin in his letters "I was angry about my predicament and I didn't know how to verbalize my feelings."

8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Lumikki Little Axl pics would be much appreciated 

Guns had to postpone their show in Manchester at Maine Road because of the state of Axl in Paris, he was so out of it. He didn't fly to England with the rest of the band. The bands managers apparently tried to cheer him up be arranging trips out, the boat trip and to The Louvre, which also ended badly because he was mobbed by fans and had to leave, so just adding to the drama 

A lot of the UYI tour seems like it was a nightmare, both for Axl and the rest of the band. I'm sure they were just looking forward to going out to play to huge crowds. Then Axl happened 

2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

@killuridolsFaith No More, who were opening for them during those European shows and had been talking a lot to the media (most of it was shit talk about GnR and Axl), had said that they had heard from the crew that Stephanie had cheated on Axl with Warren Beatty and this is the reason he cancelled the show after Paris. I've read about this (and Axl's very bad state) somewhere else too, but I can't remember exactly.

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Blackstar I remember all that Paris 92 stuff quite well. They had to postpone Manchester, which of course caused a massive backlash in the UK media (not that they were very favourable in the first place). It was bad, as people had already started traveling for the show and were hearing of its cancellation over the radio. The reason given was Axl was suffering from exhaustion, but I remember it being widely reported that he couldn't even speak sentences at the time  

They did play Manc about a week later, only a 15 song set though as I recall. And terrible reviews.

Huh, I had no idea about any of this until I read that article yesterday. Thanks for explaining some more about it. I knew about Axl being in a bit of a mood on stage because of the Warren Beatty thing, but I didn't know it was this bad. Like postponing concerts and doctors sedating him bad. 

What did they mean by "couldn't even speak in sentences"? Because of voice/throat issues or because he was so emotionally messed up that he couldn't talk anymore? (Or on too many sedatives...?)

But anyway, it's pretty terrifying that he can get like that just because Steph Seymour is screwing around on him. No wonder they were desperately trying to cheer him up. I mean obviously your partner cheating on you isn't pleasant for anyone, but most people don't need medical attention because of it, or stop talking or stop being able to do their job.

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

First of all, I wanna thank @Lumikki for taking the time to translate/comment on such amount of magazine articles. I had a blast from the past with that!

Is Bravo a German magazine? I remember I used to get the Spanish version of all these mags and I would read Bravo too (in Spanish though). Most of the things said by those magazines I think are true or I remember them exactly like that from reading back in the 90s. Like that Stephanie quote of Axl being worse than her 2 years old son! I had forgotten about that but I think she really said it.

What I didn't know is that Axl was feeling so bad during the UYI tour. Yeah, the Paris show is a mess, he's really pissed off the whole time, I didn't know this was because of Stephanie. Now, the Erin part I didn't know either (flying her to a show) but it sorta makes sense because Erin said Axl was trying to go back with her all the time, when he was having problems with Stephanie.

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Yes, Bravo's a German magazine. These days it is mostly a trashy teeny mag, but I get the impression that it was a bit more adult (and maybe also a bit more trustworthy) back then. 

I can buy Stephanie saying that too, but I'd like to know what exactly she meant by that. I mean a lot of people have describd Axl as childlike, but I'm curious how that plays out in romantic relationships.

From reading these articles and from what @MillionsOfSpiders and @Blackstar said I get the impression he was absolutely miserable most of the time, and the time around the show in Paris was an especially low point for him. And yeah, I can kinda see the Erin thing happening too. Weird that she would have accepted though, since she always talked about getting away from him as fast as possible (like moving immediately again after he'd found out her new adress and stuff like that).

3 hours ago, stella said:

It's shite. There are a lot of inaccuracies (the title says he's "William Axl Rose"...uh, no, he's not) and it's really subjective; Wall has an axe to grind with Axl and he does. There's a ridiculous passage where he basically implies Axl's brother is a moron because he doesn't know what an egg cup is (in America who the hell uses those?!) and makes fun of his accent. Etc.

And not related to the above, but @Lumikki is an MVP for posting and translating all those articles! Danke!

Aww, you're welcome! I had fun reading all that old stuff.

Mick Wall is the worst. Some time ago I saw him pop up in a youtube video and he said something along the lines of  "And Slash is jewish and his dad is black and..."  I was like "WTF? Slash is neither jewish nor is his dad black. And this guy writes books about GnR? And he can't even get basic facts straight?" Christ

And okay, I gotta ask now, what do Americans use then to put hot hard boiled eggs in when they eat eggs for breakfast for example? Do you guys only eat scrambled and fried eggs or something?

8 hours ago, giuls said:

@Lumikki The gist is that during the UYI Axl's mental health was fucked and that's totally believable, i don't know if i believe the Erin thing, we would know i think, it's a big thing.

Yeah, Axl's mental health is like the main theme in all these articles. I didn't translate all that stuff because it's nothing we don't already know anyway, but Axl's mental health/psychological problems literally get mentioned or discussed in depth in every. single. article.

6 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

@Lumikki You read My mind

About what?

6 hours ago, starlight said:

Jennifer even worked for an italian television show lol I think in the early 2000's. I never knew that just saw a rerun of the program on tv and noticed her.

@Lumikki the last photo of Slash I think it's London with him

Wait so you are Italian too? Lots of Italians here

And yeah, you're probably right. I figured it might be, but wasn't sure.

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

I made this little comparison. You can clearly see that his face is still the same, only older. 

Well spotted! Same face and even the same facial expression! Should be added to the "proof that Axl still looks the same"-pile.

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All these tiny Axl pics and gifs    I'll see if I can find some more pics of Axl looking tiny/cute, but I don't think I can beat those already here (I mean wtf @Andy14 , what a tiny little imp he is  ). He looks ridiculously pocket-sized in some of these

And @SerenityScorp, you might like this bigger/color verison then:

1 hour ago, HeartbreakerWoman said:

^{Beta's Birthday, March 1995}

^10/28/1995

Axl with Sante D'Orazio's son, 1995

Axl with Dizzy's daugther, Halloween 1994

Axl with babies/kids is the cutest thing There's also this one that @killuridols posted:

And these:

And the ones with Dylan of course:

Bonus picture of young Slash with a baby. That baby is actually Gilby's daughter.

And another baby. Not sure who that baby is, looks like it could be one of his own kids, but Slash looks pretty young there. Either way, it's a nice picture.

(Not gonna post any pictures of Slash or Duff with their own children, because there are millions of these...)

9 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Is that German?

I saw that little piece of news before but I always assumed they were talking about Jennifer Driver because it is in 1994 that he was seen with her and she went with him to the RNRHOF induction of Elton John. The picture is low quality so I can't figure it out but it looks like her from the distance

Is this the pic you're looking for?

Yes, it's German. Like I said, it could be complete bullshit, but it doesn't sound like they're talking about Jennifer Driver. Axl never kept her a secret and refused to make the relationship public and she didn't have red hair either... I was actually just going through some more old German article scans I recently found looking for more info on this. Some weird stuff in there. Do you want me to translate some of the more interesting things claimed in these articles? I could do that and post that stuff here. Most of it is bullshit and random blablabla but I already came across a few things I'd never heard about before.

And no, I was talking about a HQ version of this picture. I remember having one, but the ghosts and gremlins (thanks for that scientific explaination Axl) stole it apparently.

2 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Lumikki haha, no idea who his mystery missus is from 94, but nearly everyone Axl is photographed with is taller than him 

I've seen him up close a couple of times, but still a bit of distance between the the barricade and stage, but to me, he looks tiny, height wise. 

Is he really tiny height wise? I know, what a boring old question, but I'm wanting to know 

No, I agree with you. I was standing right next to him and he still seemed tiny to me, despite the hat he was wearing lol. And I'm not that tall or anything (I'm only 170 cm) .

There's a lot of conflicting information out there about his height (his height is even different on his mugshots!), usually ranging from 174-179 cm.

But based on my own experience I'd lean more towards the shorter side of the spectrum, 174 or 175 cm maybe.

@tiutso I haven't read the book, but there used to be a lot og groupie gossip many years ago. Some of it was discussed early on in the thread.

@dgnr I'd like that cute Slaxl post if I had any likes left (and many other posts). It's adorable

@HeartbreakerWoman Thanks, but that picture's still pretty small and pixelated. The picture I used to have was more like the one of Axl lying on the bed on his stomach qualtiy-wise. I'm so annoyed I can't find it anymore.

1 hour ago, HeartbreakerWoman said:

The last papparazzi shot of Axl until 2000, May 1994

That article though Titled "Axl's new girlfriend":

[...] Just like Axl's ex, Stephanie Seymour, she is a few cm taller than him (176 cm), very slim and sexy. She wraps her arms around him tenderly, kisses him on his lips. He enjoys her affections, strokes her naked thighs. The two of them have been inseparable for weeks."

This read like soft porn or something. Anyone know who the fuck Axl's supposed 1994 girlfriend is supposed to be though? Doesn't seem to be Jennifer Driver, because it says Axl refuses to make her name public (and the woman is described as having red hair like Axl and Jennifer was a blond).

Most likely just some random chick he made out with at that party and that article is bullshit (because I have a suspicion which trashy magazine this comes from), but I thought it was interesting enough to translate. If they really were "inseparable for weeks" then Axl was dating a woman we've never heard about in 1994.

Can we please ban any man from this thread who doesn't contribute except to bitch or be annoying? I'm getting sick of this shit as well. I don't mind guys joining in if they have something on topic to say and I don't mind the ones who mostly lurk and only sometimes join in either, but all the rest? Fuck off. Your bitching, thoughts, suggestions and opinions are neither wanted nor needed here.

You are literally in the women's thread. And no one is forcing you to be here. So if you don't like what is going on here, well tough luck. Go read another thread and debate some more about how many copies CD sold or whatever boring shit you'd prefer to discuss.

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Back on topic, yeah it's pretty awesome how international we are. I knew for example that @MillionsOfSpiders is from the UK and @pinkforgirls from the US and @killuridols and @Andy14 from Argentina and the Czech Republic of course. And @dgnr from Portugal and @giuls and @Italian girl from Italy. (And the Armenian ninja lurker @Epson )

And many more that I think I know where they're from as well, but I'm not sure about.

But I had no idea we had people from Russia and Indonesia even here. That's pretty cool And for the record, I know where to find every country I've mentioned here on the map 

@killuridols Cold AF? Last summer it was constantly around 40 degrees here. I nearly died from the heat. This summer is pretty cold though... Not gonna deny that a lot of alcohol gets consumed here though lol.

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@nn18 Don't be upset, you didn't do anything wrong or anything It's just difficult sometimes to communicate effectively when most people here aren't native speakers and stuff like that. I know what @killuridols and @tiutso were getting at, but I don't think anyone here thinks you're this awful homophobic person or anything. It's all good

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That Steven video. I don't know wether to laugh or cry On the one hand it's hilarious how bad and ridiculous that movie is, on the other hand it's also kinda sad and disturbing what the guy will do for money. There's no way in hell any of the other four would ever be part of something like that (most especially not Slash...). And speaking of:

6 hours ago, tiutso said:

Do you happen to remember which interview that was? Or the thread where people talked about it? I read one by Steven where he insisted that he only got sucked off by other dudes, not the other way around.

Oh god, I'd love to give you a source, but that was an eternity ago. Like over 10 years ago probably, when I was still a kid. I'm not even sure if it was on this board or somewhere else. I'm only on this board nowadays, but when I was younger I also used to frequent other GNR related places. It's bugging me too now, because I'd like to re-read what exactly Steven said from an adult perspective. I do know I wasn't misunderstanding things though because I remember there were people (read: men) calling bullshit that Slash would do something like that. Or getting offended on Slash's behalf because obviously their guitar hero would never for any reason whatsoever get anywhere near another guy's dick. 

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the mod post before posting. But I guess I was expressing the same thing anyway (don't like don't read), so I think I'm not gonna change what I wrote.

Wait wait wait @SerenityScorp !!! Izzy draws? I didn't know that! Where did you get these?

Also speaking of Izzy that picture is way better as a gif. Look at them holding hands

8 hours ago, giuls said:

Actually, as proved by my avatar i'm a huge Stones fan, in an interview a journo asked him if it was true he and bowie fucked in X year as Angela Bowie said, i don't remember what year exactly, and he only answered with "it wasn't X year", in Marianne Faithfull's auto-biography she said Mick fantasized out-loud about doing sexual things with Keith, when asked about his sexuality directly he only says "i think sexuality is fluid"  and Marianne Faithfull, Jerry Hall and Anita Pallenberg all said Mick's one true love is Keith (Anita actually said Mick and Keith should get married, one of my favourite quote) so it's a bit more than sensationalist biographies when talking about Mick's sexuality.

 The bolded part   And thanks to your expert opinion I'll consider the Mick Jagger/David Bowie thing as confirmed then

@Blackstar this picture pisses me off so much because I KNOW I've seen (or used to have) a HQ version of that picture, but it doesn't seem to exist on the entire interwebs anymore and I can't find it in my files either. It makes me so angry

4 hours ago, Frey said:

- All the Slaxl stuff in this thread, mostly Axl apparently liking to have Slash in bed with him or having him involved in threesomes with women

- Alan Niven saying Axl is bi. But Alan Niven is an idiot and it seemed like he mostly said that because of the way Axl dresses as well

- The rumor about Axl and the Swedish soccer player that was brought up early in this thread

- Axl being seen at gay bars and gay gyms. But that doesn't mean shit either because lots of non-gay people hang out at gay bars these days

- Doth protest a bit too much?

- ??????

 

As for Slash...

- he likes to fuck Axl look-alikes and is used to having things shoved up his ass?

- sometimes kisses dudes (mostly Duff)?

- he's around a lot of gay people and even has a gay nanny for his kids? but that doesn't really mean shit except that he's comfortable around LGBT people (or that Perla has him by the balls )

- ??????

A long-ass time ago there was some discussion about Slash sucking dick.

Because in one of these interviews where Steven talked about sucking off guys for drugs, he implied that Slash used to do that too. 

Obviously Slash sucking other guys' dicks for money only means he was a junkie desperate for drug money and not that he's gay.

But yeah.

@HeartbreakerWoman Thanks for posting that 2002 pic, I don't think I've seen that particular one before. Although I have seen others of him wearing that horrible outfit. These khaki pants. 

@MillionsOfSpiders No that pic hasn't been posted here yet and I've never seen it before, so thanks for sharing. He's looking fabulous there indeed

9 hours ago, acidcock27 said:

whats adrianas story????

She talked about her and Axl dragging Slash into bed with them when they were having sex. Apparently Axl is into having Slash involved in things or something, because that's not even the only instance of him being in a sexual situation with Slash. These things were discussed more in depth earlier on in the thread.

Actual quote:

“We were all getting really wasted, so I felt I was going to try and get revenge on Steven. Axl was all in for it and we started having sex"

Slash was all passed out and we dragged him into the bed. It was one of those things. A bit naughty. Slash wasn’t really there. He was passed out on the bed next to us.

“Steven walked in and caught us in bed together. He freaked out and was holding my hand. Axl was talking and saying things like, ‘You wanna join in, buddy?’ Steven wasn’t happy and stormed out.”

If Steven actually had joined in, that would technically have been a foursome with 3 guys from GNR and only 1 woman.

8 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Lol, ok, I know its only animation but are there any story tht They went to the gay bar or something?

Axl hung out at a gay bar in London once a few years ago. That's all I know about.

13 hours ago, Andy14 said:

You won't get banned for now, but you've just got first warning 

(just kidding, you know I'm not the biggest fan of Axl's hats haha but don't tell him, I don't want him to hate me )

I will gladly take that warning if it gets delivered by cheekily smiling Axl

And I'm actually not the biggest fan of his hats either (some of them I find so horrible I want to burn them), but I don't mind that one for some reason.

12 hours ago, tiutso said:

Honestly, everybody's talking about Axl's androgyny all the time, but I'm gonna forever pine after that Slash's look from their glam era, when he wore those fucking fishnets and hadn't gotten his hat yet, even though he doesn't seem to enjoy reminiscing about that

I feel conflicted about that one lol. One the hand Slash is just not androgynous enough to really pull that look off, on the other hand there's something I like about that too. That's my favorite picture of glam Slash, I guess. With his dad.

12 hours ago, killuridols said:

I know what you mean... yes, I guess I could say the same... Not interested in random people but ones I care about or have some sort of connection. I also prefer things like movies with a plot, instead of porn movies about crap. That's why I mentioned My Private Idaho and Velvet Goldmine. It seems it is a female thing to need the "love story" behind, even if its gay people, I still need to know they are not some random dudes I know nothing about.

Another one I used to watch many moons ago was this UK series "Queer As Folk". It was funny. And that's the kind of gay men that I usually despise but I was into the plot, I don't know. I'm weird

I did see Velvet Goldmine a long time ago and I've also seen My Own Private Idaho. It's hard not to like that one. Keanu Reeves and River Phoenix were adorable in that. I still love Keanu.

12 hours ago, killuridols said:

That's "old Axl"? being defensive when it comes to "gay" stuff.

It's what we've been talking about for the last 3 pages I think.... He is as flamboyant and gay as Boy George, but he won't admit to it. Ever.

LOL..... And well, I don't know about Boy George, but I could offer you Axl with George Michael instead?

As for the pictures you asked about, there doesn't seem to be a better version of the one of Axl playing bass. Which is sad, because it's one of my favorite pictures of him I also think that all the pictures so far are from the same show, I guess he probably just changed his bandana. (Duff is also wearing the same shirt in both the blue and in the pink bandana pictures)

I do have a sligthly bigger version of the other picture you posted:

And these:

This one maybe?

Aww, I love Axl's tweets. No matter how childish/ridiculous/gay/mincy (lol I love that word) they get.   The more of that the better as far as I'm concerned.

(And yes, Axl's cute tweets are a million times better than the nightmare that is Slash's social media )

27 minutes ago, dgnr said:

C'mon don't be mean, that is the cutest of them all. It's for a little girl, it's just 

Yesss!!! I thought that tweet for Dave Grohl's daughter was so cute. The fact that he remembered her full name and the way he tried to make the tweet little girl-like with all the flowers and unicorns and stuff So sweet of him to do that

Also @dgnr That is totally a Slaxl moment I only wish we could see Slash's face, but it seems to me like he's smiling at Axl too.

@Andy14 Yeah these daddy comments made me go too. I agree with @dgnr , we are clearly the normal ones, at least we don't call Axl daddy. We only want him to kiss Slash

@MillionsOfSpiders Yeah, Duff probably saw all these horrible shirts and felt compelled to do something about them  That's probably why he bought so many. So Slash would never have to wear any of the awful ones again. Seems like Duff's strategy didn't completely work though

@SerenityScorp Well I wouldn't say no to some Duff/Axl gayness either

@Blackstar Well, I sometimes feel like a gay man in a woman's body, so that makes as much sense to me as anything Also thanks to you I finally understand what that song is about. I don't really know anything at all about Elton John's music (and I don't feel like learning more about it either tbh), but I've wondered about that one before.

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

As for the childhood pictures, I think that depends a lot on your parenst and how much they are into art and technology. I don't have a lot of pictures of me when I was a kid either My parents weren't into photography and weren't skilled with cameras. Also, back in the day cameras were a bit expensive and not so easy to use, like now you have cameras in your cellphones and thats it. So probably, Axl's parents were boring like that, while Slash parents were more progressive and into arts, that's why they would photograph their children more often.

Those things are very hard to tell but I wouldn't be surprised either. I think he's always been aware of his looks and that he sexually attracts men as well. The issues he has with that is what has prevented him to relax about it and makes him act defensive. Somehow he's used the stage as a shelter to be androgynous and don't give a damn about it. Ever since he started performing he has used his seduction tools to engage the audience and he knows his audience is full of hairy pro-hetero men yet he didn't back off from wearing tight pants, leggings, small shorts, small shirts and all kind of tight female clothing.

While I'm typing this I can't stop the flow of images that come to my mind about Axl being an ambiguous motherfucker . The St. Louis riot is one of the best examples of Axl wearing this flamboyant coat onstage, the tiny white biker shorts and in a minute changing from that "artsy" situation to another that is grotesque and belongs to a dark alley in the Bronx, lol

That ability he has to express both male and female features is what makes him fascinating as an individual and as an artist. Even to this day, he keeps playing with that but I'd love for him to talk about it and finally admit something about his androgyny. The only time I remember that he's ever joked about it was when he said this...

When the other day you and @Frey (and I guess @Blackstar was part of it too) mentioned the story about that guy who gave him a lift while going to L.A. and tried to rape him, you people said that the rape had probably occured and Axl was hiding the truth of it... I was thinking that the way Axl tells that story is not how a rape victim would put it out. Especially a male in that situation, they would never mention something like that. What I do think is that he may have exaggerated some details, like him heroically "pinning the guy between the door and the wall" with his razor. He seems to have all kind of stories of homosexual men trying to seduce him or go to bed with him, which is not far-fetched because of what we're talking here. I also think that Axl knew what kind of tools he had, he was pretty aware of his looks and sensuality and he may have used that to seduce a couple people for self-benefit.

Yeah, I know. Slash is exceptionally lucky in that regard because his parents were artsy types and into that kind of thing. I've never seen anyone else who was born in the 60s who had childhood pictures like Slash. Still, Axl's got to have some as well at least. Maybe he'll put some into his biography.

I love the way he played/plays around with his androgyny as well and would also love to hear his thoughts on that. But I think we're gonna wait a long time for that to happen The only thing I regret about this new and happy Axl is that he doesn't seem to like doing in-depth Rolling Stone type interviews anymore. Which makes me sad, because I always enjoyed reading his thoughts on various topics (even if they sometimes made me go ) and on himself.

I think it's interesting how Axl always used his sensuality/sexuality in a very provocative way (especially on stage, but not only there), probably very aware of the effect he had on people (all kinds of people), yet he always seemed very uncomfortable with people actually reacting to that. And then you get him whining about "aggressive gays" and stuff like that.

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

I think we all have

Not sure that he's more open nowadays.... To me is that since most of his aggressive attitude has gone now, that "macho" component he used to exacerbate in the old days has been replaced by this "happy" appearance, which now puts him closer to his female side in the gender expectrum........ am I making sense? 

And I don't mean to say he's gay, lol, but most gay men that I know become more flamboyant in their old age than when they were young. It is strange but they start looking and acting like "old ladies" . It's funny, many of them make fun of themselves because of that. Axl strikes me that way too. He reminded me of my English teacher when he was talking in the China Exchange thing, making those faces and movements with his hands.

I'm also curious about his wardrobe choices these days. The shirt around waist, something I know he wore in the 90s, it resembles a skirt now. Most of the time it looks like he's wearing a skirt. I love it, but it is odd

Sometimes to me he looks like a mixture of a man-child and an extravagant lady . All of this is gold to me, I love it, I love his image, the Janis hat, the skirts (lol), not the weird vest from the other night, but all in all, I dig Axl's crazy outfits and I support this looks. But I know many people think he's weird and dont like what he wears. I love analyzing why he dresses like this. Mike Amiri said on Instagram that he spent a good couple hours talking to Axl about fashion and how he came to develop his looks. How I wish I could have heard that! Axl hardly ever talked publicly about his sense of fashion

(Sorry, had to leave that gif in because he's just so fabulous there )

What you describe is actually what I meant lol. I guess I used the word open because that's the word Axl used when he talked about how you have to keep yourself sensitive and tender with your cats  But yeah, what you're saying totally makes sense and I agree.

And yes, I love the way he dresses too. Not necessarily every single thing he wears (Axl and Slash both suffer from Cringeworthy Shirt Disease after all and some of the shit Axl wears is just plain ugly), but in general. I find the way he dresses very entertaining and interesting to look at. I love the androgynity of it all as well. I've said before how much I love girly glam Axl and I like that he still hasn't completely given up on that (I'm not sure how I feel about the eye liner nowadays, but if he likes it, then more power to him). I'm all about the skirts and girly accessoires as well.

This hat for example. Lol I'm probably gonna get banned from this thread for this, but @pinkforgirls posted this gif today in the hat thread and I kind of realized that this fancy lady hat (someone there called it a Carmen San Diego hat lol) is probably my favorite hat of his. The style is very feminine and so is the color, but I love it.

(And while I'm making fashion confessions, I also love the studded leather jacket. NOT THE NEW UGLY ONE WITH THE UGLY GREEN FRONT!!! The older one that he's been wearing for a long time. It's gotten some hate here before, but he wore that jacket when I met him and I thought he looked really good in it...)

3 hours ago, tiutso said:

Jesus Christ, this looks as if he got invited to be a male stripper at a fucking BDSM party 

I have an irrational amount of fondness for his dumbass clothing, fuck 

Yes to all of this

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

I think you're right. I'm not much into gay men porn, I do not actively look for that stuff or harbor pictures/videos in my computer. It happens with Axl only and one time I was obsessed with 'My Private Idaho' and 'Velvet Goldmine'. Then I dig a couple lesbian things like "Blue is the warmest color", "The L Word" and a bit of "Orange is the new black".

It's very similar for me and I know it is for many other women as well. I think the difference here is that women tend to like/need more of an emotional connection when it comes to the things they are into. Most guys are happy with porn of random people getting it on. As long as there are boobs, asses, etc. and fucking, they're happy. As a woman I couldn't care less.

I don't care about heterosexual porn because I hate it and am disgusted by it because of the horrible and demeaning way women are treated in most straight porn.

I don't care about gay porn (or lesbian porn) because that's still just random people having sex to me. Random people that I don't give a fuck about.

BUT things start to look completely different if I'm actually interested in/care about the people I'm looking at. So if there was a hypothetical "leaked" sex tape of Slash and Axl for example, you can bet your ass I'd probably watch that. Until then I'm just gonna enjoy all the cute Slaxl moments they graciously provide us with

I think this is also why fan fiction (not just GnR fan fic, I mean fan fic in general) is popular with women and why so many women read/write fan fiction (but only few men do). Because if you read/write fan fiction that automatically means you get to read/write about people or fictional characters that you already care about and feel an emotional connection to, which is what's important for many women and you just don't get that in your average run of the mill porn video.

7 hours ago, Frey said:

Well at least it wasn't Raggedy Ann this time. I remember reading something somewhere about Axl getting dressed up as Raggedy Ann as a kid.

 

So for those here who like to complain about his girly hats/clothing choices: It seems like he started very early with the cross-dressing.

j/k

Surprised his parents went for that though. Usually these religious whack job types get their panties in a twist very quickly about stuff that doesn't conform to gender norms, even about ridiculous shit like kids' costumes (I've got a friend whose cousin or aunt or something even cancelled Halloween and Christmas completely because they're pagan and satanic  I feel sorry for that woman's children.) But whatever, I'm sure Axl rocked that... Raggedy Ann dress thing. Sorry, don't know what to call that.... an old-fashioned little girl dress I guess. This outfit here:

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

What is that Raggedy Ann thing? 

I'd love to see Axl dressed like that but like @Freysaid I doubt the religious stepfather of him would have allowed such thing.

Nope it's true apparently. That Raggedy Ann story came from that guy from GQ magazine who went around Lafayette and interviewed various people there. Axl's childhood friend Dana Gregory talked about it.

It’s the shots of him at eighteen that move me, though. He isn’t pretty yet, he hasn’t begun to think of himself as a rock star. He’s a boy-man, with a trace of fear in his pugnacious stare. I can’t remember what he’d done, that time. Stolen another kid’s bike, I think. Or destroyed another kid’s bike. When I first saw his hair, I understood something Dana had told me hours before, at a bar: that when they were children, Axl was Raggedy Ann in the Christmas parade. Looking longer, a person could understand something else, too, about the Midwestern darkness in his voice.

http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2010/10/18/bill-bailey-comes-home/

The metamorphosis of Bill, the friend of his youth, in whose mother's kitchen he ate breakfast every morning, his Cub Scouts buddy (a coin was tossed: Bill would be Raggedy Ann in the parade; Dana, Raggedy Andy), into—for a while—the biggest rock star on the planet, a man who started riots in more than one country and dumped a supermodel and duetted with Mick Jagger and told Rolling Stone he'd recovered memories of being sodomized by his stepfather at the age of 2, a man who took as his legal name and made into a household word the name of a band—Axl—that Gregory was once in, on bass, and that Bill was never even in…

http://www.gq.com/story/final-comeback-axl-rose

And since wikipedia tells me that Cub Scouts are ages 7-12 or so, Axl was way older than that toddler in Frey's picture even when they put him into that dress/costume   I'm sure he looked cute in a dress too, but yeah, also surprised that the stepfather allowed it.

And I agree, I'd also like to see a picture of that. And Cub Scouts (they have special uniforms too, right?). Although Axl was such a cute kid, he probably would have looked adorable in a potato sack. It's kind of annoying that there are barely any decent childhood pictures of him and yet there are like a million childhood pictures of Slash. I already posted a ton of Slash's here once and recently I came across even more on Tumblr that I'd never even seen before

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

I don't know if Axl swings both ways but I've always sensed something uncommon with him. He's an androgynous person, his choice for clothes is always in the border with female clothing and now he wears eyeliner. However, he seems to have always fought against the notion of him being gay and seems conflicted with the topic.

Axl is not a gay icon like Madonna or Prince, yet he's flamboyant, he's got some female manners that regular heterosexual men don't have and I know a good chunk of heterosexual men confessing to have a crush on Axl, specially when he was young. A friend of mine told me the other day "I have to admit that I was attracted to Axl in the 90s. He was so beautiful." My friend is not gay, lol.

I agree with that first paragraph. If Axl is bi/gay, well, I wouldn't be shocked, but if he is, then I think he's probably one of these people who never act on it (Slash kind of being the exception, judging by Adriana's story and stuff like that), but then talk about it on their deathbed or something.

I've also noticed Axl's behavior and mannerisms are way more flamboyant these days than they used to be. He always kind of was that way, but nowadays he seems more... expressive? open? with his facial expressions and body language. I don't know how to describe it, but I  do often notice it when I see videos of him talking and interacting with people and things like that.

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@Andy14 I love that video too. I've watched it like 3 times already. His smile   It's so amazing to see how well he handles complications like that these days.

@starlight That picture of Slash and his boys is just the cutest thing They must miss him a lot. Does anyone know where that picture originally came from? It'd be cool if they get to go on tour with their dad for a while now. Maybe meet Uncle Axl...

Dylan totally looks like a male version of Stephanie. All her kids mostly look like her actually. I guess it's good to have strong genes if you're gonna have kids with a guy like Brant Sr...

@killuridols Congrats on getting these tickets! So awesome you managed to snag the tickets you wanted  You only need to wear something neon green now and he will notice you (according to the concert thread he'll react to that )

@Andy14 Happy Axl is my favorite thing ever. It's so good to see him like that. But yeah, it's time for Slash to stop playing hard to get I wanna see Slash be affectionate/cute with Axl for once...

@Blackstar Great post. What you wrote reminds me a lot of the way Slash described Axl in his book. How Axl is a very dramatic individual, how every little thing has some bigger meaning in his mind, how he has a unique perception of the world, but believes in it 100%... He does seem to relate to movies a lot and look at life from that kind of angle.

About the hitchhiking story, I can see both sides of that discussion as being plausible. Axl is fierce, and he fights like a crazy person when threatened (according to Izzy... and Axl himself I think) and like you said he had some experience fighting, plus instinct and adrenaline... if anyone could get out of a situation like that, it would be Axl. But on the other hand, I could also totally see the opposite happening and Axl just being to ashamed/embarrassed to tell the story as it actually happened. People don't always act like you'd expect them to in situations like that (especially if they've already experienced similar traumas in the past), some people even just "freeze up" and things like that. Or maybe he just didn't manage to get away. Fierce little figther or not, he was a pretty tiny and skinny kid after all. We'll never know I guess, unless he talks about that incident in his book or something.

(I gotta say though, if Axl were my kid, I wouldn't have been comfortable with him hitchhiking around the continent like that. I don't even have kids of my own yet, but the thought of a tiny, pretty looking kid like Axl travelling around alone and getting into cars with strangers makes me shudder. It sucks that we live in a world like that, but...)

17 hours ago, Blackstar said:

The kidnapping by his father story is another matter. The key imo is in this quote:

I have a lot of corroboration from people who knew something horrible happened. Even now I could talk about it with my grandmother and she'd nod her head yes, but would not talk about it. Also, the emotions that end up surfacing and the amount of weight that is lifted each time we get into certain issues kind of makes me go, "Wait a minute, I can trust myself here." I can trust myself because I feel a hell of a lot better. I mean, you could go to a medium and talk to someone in your family who had died and when you come out you'll feel much different. Someone will say, "Was it real?" and you'll say, "I don't know, but I know I feel a lot easier with the situation and acting on it isn't going to hurt me."

The way I interpret the analogy with going to a medium to "communicate" with a dead person (without excluding the possibility that it wasn't just an analogy and he actually did that) is that Axl wasn't 100% sure that this thing with his father had really happened, but he chose not to dispute it, because believing that this was the origin of his personality issues made him feel relieved and ready to start his healing process from there. The whole "alternative" therapy thing felt safer to him; a real psychologist would probably recommend him to see a psychiatrist as well, which means a possible diagnosis of a mental health issue and Axl didn't want to go through that. This is why I said in a previous post that if the 2002 story with the psychiatrist is true and Axl was thinking of going to a clinic, things must have been very serious at that time.

The cases in which probably Axl does something similar to what you said are the stories where he talks about relationships that fell out and hurt him, particularly those that have to do with Slash and the band. I think that he has a scenario (which he honestly believes) that explains why things turned out the way they did, and then, based on it, he reinterprets past events. In other words, he projects the scenario to the past as if the other person had always intended to harm him. For example, if he believes that the band broke up because Slash wanted to take it over, he reinterprets things that Slash said or did since the day they met.

I very much agree with this. The alternative therapy thing definitely was a way for him to avoid dealing with actual psychologist/psychiatrists. And yes, things must have been pretty bad in 2002 for him to consider that. I remember reading somewhere that the people around him (maybe Beta specifically was mentioned? I'm not sure anymore, it was a long time ago) talked him out of doing that though. I'm not sure how to feel about that.

Also agreed with the second paragraph. The one example of him doing that which always makes me go a bit is the Ayatollah story. He keeps bringing that one up as an explanation for why he has this reputation of being controlling and a dictator. And he probably believes that is the reason too. Never mind the fact that 99,9% of people have never heard of that obscure interview and also aren't intimately familiar with how it might have influenced band dynamics or whatever. I wish he would show some acknowledgement for once that it was mostly his own actions and the things he said during the years they were famous that caused him to have this reputation. (And okay, Slash and Izzy are to blame for that as well a bit with the things they said about Axl, but then again, they wouldn't have said those things in the first place if Axl hadn't pissed them off so much with his behavior...)

Also thank you to you and @MillionsOfSpiders for mentioning that thing about Frances Farmer. I had completely forgotten about that. It makes sense that her story would leave a lasting impression on Axl. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was aware of her before the movie came out if she lived in Indiana and had her last play in Lafayette (didn't know that either, you learn something new ever day in this thread ).

That quote of him saying he thinks a lot about someone giving him a lobotomy made me sad. No wonder he sought help from alternative places if his distrust in conventional medicine was so big. And then there's also the thing about him already being diagnosed as "psychotic" when he was 16 or so. He must have been scared of his behavior and his mental issues being used against him from early on. And then later on came the bipolar diagnosis he disagrees with and the useless "fill in the dots" test he complained about. I'm understanding more and more how he ended up in the hands of Yoda and Suzy London and other frauds like that.

4 hours ago, Frey said:

Or "It's your own fault for looking like a fucking chick." with girly looking guys like Axl. Or "He looks/dresses like a fag, he probably wanted it anyway." Shit like that.

Axl did have issues about that. I remember him saying he got tattoos so he "wouldn't look like a fucking chick anymore." And it's not too surprising after stories like the one about the cops harrassing him by being misogynist/sexist douchebags when they thought he was a girl, and then turning to homophobia when they realized he was actually a guy.

23 minutes ago, Kira said:

i think part of the reason Axl is so loyal to team Brazil is because without them taking care of him, he could have wound up in an institution.

Now that's a terrifying thought. But like I mentioned above, someone actually claimed that they kept him from checking himself into an institution in 2002, so it's not that far-fetched...

20 hours ago, Frey said:

 

I wonder who bought this stuff. And for $ 1920 no less. I'm not sure if that's a great investment that will ever gain much value and I'd feel pretty creepy paying for these things and then having them lying around at home. Like what are you gonna do with these? Show it to your friends and go like "And here's Axl Rose's customer card from a donut shop from when he still went by Will Bailey. And this is a letter Axl's step father wrote to his children. And here we have childhood pictures of Axl building snow men and Axl dressed up as Raggedy Andy."  Everyone will think you're nuts. But maybe Axl bought some of the things Erin sold himself, to prevent them from ending up with the likes of Karen McNeil and people like that.

14 minutes ago, stella said:

At the end of the day I feel a ton of empathy for Erin. From all accounts she seems like a sweet person who's been through a lot of very bad shit.

Yeah. Erin's not the one who repeatedly endangers other people's lifes by drunk driving, who raised the most awful children ever, who calls young girls bitches for not being super models like her, who screwed over an emotionally vulnerable guy for money and left him a wreck, who thinks making remarks about another woman's looks is a great comeback (the Kurt/Courtney incident),... I could go on.

Instead she seems to be a kind and sweet person going by everything I've heard and seen about her and I don't think she deserves all the hate she gets, especially for comparatively small issues like selling off Axl's old stuff. That's NOTHING compared to what Axl put her through.

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@john lennon Huh? The 3 little pieces of paper are "New Day Donut and DeliShop cards made out to "Will Bailey."" Like it says in the description next to the picture. The only interesting thing about these is that Axl apparently also went by Will and not just Bill (I think Will is much nicer, if you absolutely have to shorten William). The big piece of paper is a letter from Axl's step father to his children.

@killuridols I have a bigger version of that if you want it I'd volunteer to hold his ass up as well.

27 minutes ago, giuls said:

 

@Lumikki the thing that sold me on the abuse was the story about his grandma nodding yes when he was asking her questions, i can see why she wouldn't want to give him detail, about fighting off that man, adrenaline is an awesome thing that can make one do things you'd never think you'll be able to do, i agree the straight razor thing seem an invention but the core of the fight is plausible.

Yeah, his grandmother is a point in favor of the whole story. And yes, adrenaline works miracles, but it still sounds just a little bit off to me, like a lot of stories he tells. Maybe that nasty air conditioning repair man was more successful in his rape attempt than Axl would like to admit and share with the world (not that I blame him), and that's why the story sounds slightly "edited".

How can you hear that and think he's joking? That's obviously Axl in one of his douchebag/temper tantrum moods. And you can clearly hear Slash is upset and trying to defend himself.

The only good thing I can say about this is that at least Axl realized he had fucked up and then apologized to Slash afterwards.

But yeah, it fits a pattern of Axl being really awful to Slash and treating him like crap. There are a number of incidents like that both on and off stage.

@Babooshka I would like to know more about Axl refusing to go on stage unless Slash apologized for being an addict (wtf?!) as well. Don't think I've heard that one before.

This thread Can't keep up with it. So I'm mostly just gonna reply to the people who quoted me or tagged me, but...

Yes, Stephanie Seymour is an awful person and I can't stand her. I liker her even less than I like Perla and that's saying something. At least Perla seemed to actually like/love Slash, Steph only ever toyed around with Axl while constantly being on the lookout for someone better (read: richer). As soon as she'd found the obscenely rich guy she was looking for, she dropped Axl like a hot potato.

Her sons are quite possibly even worse than she is. They're the definition of decadent, spoilt, useless, rich morons. And the fact that she raised these abominations doesn't speak well for her either. And I didn't even know about the drunk driving and everything What a stupid woman. I hate drunk drivers.

If anyone wants to lose even more brain cells than by watching Perla's videos: http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2012/09/peter-brant-harry-brant-profile

And then there was the disappointment of not getting to attend the Met Ball (there had been "complications" with the invitations, Peter said), at which they had planned to arrive in a gold-plated Rolls-Royce accompanied by a baby panther wearing a diamond necklace.

"I had arranged for the baby panther and everything," Peter complained. "What could be better than diamonds and exotic baby animals?"

"You're nobody until PETA either loves you or hates you," Harry observed.

Or all that talk about how Suri Cruise (a toddler then) is such a fashion icon. And a million other things in there. Their age is no excuse. And clearly they haven't gotten better with age anyway as recent inicidents show.

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@Frey There recently was a picture of Fernando's kid that was definitely in a bus (in those sleeping bunks they have in buses). I don't know if all the Lebeises share a bus with Axl, but the thought of Axl constantly being surrounded by babies/toddlers in there and in general amuses me. No rest for him in his old age

@nn18 Slash definitely used to have the accent. He said there's a tape of him talking when he was about 5 years old and he said he's got a very strong accent there. But he lost it over the years in the US.

@killuridols Axl smiling in fan pictures would be the shortest post indeed lol. And I can't even really help with that, because I don't usually save pictures of Axl with fans.

@stella ! Good to see you in this thread again. I was wondering where you were

On 29.7.2016 at 3:40 PM, SerenityScorp said:

- I wonder if He stays up all night is because He didnt want to sleep at night N' having nightmares *If He still has a nightmare

I have no idea if he still suffers from nightmares, can't remember him ever saying anything about it. The only thing I know about is this quote where he talks about having nightmares as a child:

What have you figured out?
I blacked out most of my childhood. I used to have severe nightmares when I was a child. We had bunk beds, and I'd roll out and put my teeth right through my bottom lip – I'd be having some violent nightmare in my bed. I had these for years.

Do you remember what the nightmares were about?
No, I only remember one dream. I dreamt I was a horse. You ever see those movies of wild mustangs running and how heavy that looks? I dreamt about that. I dreamt I was caught and then put in the movies. And in some really stupid movies. And it was totally against my will, and I could not handle it, and I freaked. I didn't understand the dream. Back then, I was like "I was a horse, they tried to put me in the movies!" You know, all I could think of at the time was Mr. Ed or Francis. But I always remembered that dream, and now I understand it real well. I didn't know what my nightmares were about. My parents had always said something really tragic and dark and ugly happened. They wouldn't say what happened – they always just freaked out whenever anything was mentioned about my real father.

On 29.7.2016 at 9:29 PM, Frey said:

Well if that guy was 4 years older than it can't really have been the guy from the yearbook picture dalsh posted, can it? Wasn't that guy just 2 years older or something?

And I don't think it's disrespectful. If Axl acts like a spoilt 5 year old brat, then it deserves to be called babysitting.

Didn't know Axl wanted to check himself into a mental hospital. And about the crazy behavior and everything. I don't know shit about these years except that he looked fucking weird and caused a riot in Philly and then the tour was cancelled.

Yeah, I think someone said that guy was only two years ahead of her in school or something. But I'm not very familiar with the American school system and maybe there could be reasons for that even if he was 4 years older. Maybe @dalsh327 or other people who know more about it could exlain if or how that yearbook picture works with the guy supposedly being 4 years older than his mom.

As for the early 2000 years, I just googled and found this. Apparently Axl even had a psychiatrist with him on tour (to convince him to go onstage among other things). Hope it was an actual psychiatrist though, and not a Suzy London type fake

On 29.7.2016 at 9:29 PM, Frey said:

Yeah that story about him having nightmares and falling off the bunk bed is from the RS interview I think. And now that I think about it that fucked up story Zutaut told in the BBC doc suddenly makes much more sense if they were all sleeping in one room. Never really understood the thing about the public toilets before because that seems way risky and like something a pedo would rather avoid.

Urgh 

By the way, while I was googling for that quote about Axl's religious upbringing, I accidentally solved a CSI:GnR issue we were discussing here a while ago- how much older Axl's father was than this mother. According to Rolling Stone at least, 4 years older:

Born to a 16-year-old mother and 20-year-old father in Lafeyette, Indiana in 1962, William Bruce Rose, Jr., was renamed William Bruce Bailey a couple years later, after his father left and his mother remarried. In interviews in the early Nineties, after undergoing psychotherapy, he recalled being sexually molested by his father; he said his stepfather, in turn, physically beat both him and his mother. Several times a week, the family went to a Pentecostal church, which Rose later described as being filled with other abusive adults. But he found comfort there nonetheless, teaching Sunday School and developing his wide vocal range while singing along with siblings in a group called the "Bailey Trio."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/axl-rose/biography

Anyone remember what this means regarding the yearbook pictures and stuff?

11 hours ago, killuridols said:

lol I don't know what Izzy said. I hardly read anything Izzy says unless it is GN'R related, I don't find him cool but I'd like to know more about that.

omg wtf UFO guy?

what a weirdo

"...But for Axl, I know for the longest time, because his face was all over the television and stuff, I don't think he could really go anywhere or do anything. And I think because of that he kind of put himself in a little hole up there in the hills. He kind of dug in deeper and deeper and now I think he’s gone so fucking deep he’s just… I mean, I could be completely wrong. But I know he doesn't drive [unheard of in LA] and he doesn't… He doesn't do anything. I’ve never, never seen him in town. Isolation can be a bad thing, and Axl’s been at it for a long time now. You know, he always stays up at night…” He drifts off, not even trying to find the words this time.

Isolated, always stays up all night and never goes anywhere/doesn't do anything? The way Izzy described Axl's life sounds pretty worrying. Slash has said something similar too about never having seen Axl anywhere in all these years. But then again, Axl recently said he did go to places and do stuff, so who knows All this must be especially concerning for Izzy because Izzy's the "I only drink tea and water, not even coffee, and I meditate and do yoga and run marathons and get up with the birds"- type nowadays. Meanwhile Axl stays up all night to watch Netflix / read here on mygnr or to party.

And yeah, some guy who claimed some of the stars in the sky were actually UFOs and he could move them with his mind because he was psychically connected to them. So they got that guy for Axl and then they spent some hours laying around staring at the sky and watched as the guy supposedly moved the stars/UFOs with his mind. Apparently that's how rockstars spend their time

Btw, while I was quickly trying to figure out why Duswalt stopped working for Axl, I came across a video of him telling some of the stories from his book (like how he usually had to stay up with Axl until 6 in the morning (that's apparently when Axl goes to bed), and then get up again at 8) and he said "I babysat Axl for 4 years." I don't know, but it kind of makes me sad how all these people (Alan Niven, Duswalt, Slash, etc.) refer to it as babysitting. I mean yeah, we joke about it here and that's fine, but I think it's kind of disrespectful and demeaning coming from the people actually close to him/working for him. Like lots of famous/sucessful people have personal assistants, but no one ever calls them their babysitters or says they're babysitting XY Famous Person. What the the Craigs, Dougs, Betas etc. of this world do/did is probably closer to actual babysitting than what most PAs do, but still

1 hour ago, giuls said:

 

@killuridols @Lumikki i think he finally asked for help from an actual therapist, i don't think any threath would be enough when he is in a mood

Yes, Axl is not completely against real therapists and psychiatrists I think. A long time ago, I was reading some old stuff from the early 2000s. Those years seem like they were a pretty bad time for Axl. He made some ominous comments on stage during that time, acted pretty crazily and then the entire tour got cancelled. There were even articles claiming that Axl wanted to check himself into a psychiatric hospital.

If that is actually true, then he must have been doing pretty badly back then, if he was considering a stay in a psychiatric facility. 

14 hours ago, Frey said:

Yeah, but Axl does have some experience with the real world, doesn't he? There was a time before he lived in a bubble of babysitters and entourage people. How did he ever become manager at Tower Records and things like that if he was behaving that way? And while I can picture some people around him putting up with his behavior and fulfilling his every wish (like Erin for example), I can't imagine that people like Izzy spent a lot of time running after him to wipe his ass. I mean obviously they too were kind of watching out for him (at least according to Izzy), but I hardly think they did it to the extent Doug Goldstein, Duswalt, Beta etc. do/did. So he should have at least some idea of how things work in the real world and how his behavior can negatively affect others. But apparently not

You don't need to grow up poor to dream about a collection of cars But the quote about his religious upbringing you posted reminded me that he also talked about them all sleeping in bunk beds in one room as kids in that interview (or a similar one). So if they squeezed all the kids into one room, they probably didn't have a very big house. And didn't there use to be pictures around of the house Axl supposedly grew up in? That was pretty small as well from what I remember, so that fits with the bunk bed thing and means they probably weren't all that well off.

Well, Axl's life wasn't exactly smooth and incident-free before he had his handlers though. He constantly got into trouble, both in Lafayette and in LA. And Izzy and Slash already had to deal with quite a lot of crazy behavior from Axl long before they got famous (Axl constantly getting into fights with random people and the police, the conctact lenses incident, the car incident, etc.).

And yeah, I vaguely remember the bunk bed thing now. I remember Axl talking about having nightmares as a child an falling out of his bunk bed and biting through his bottom lip or something.

@RochelleRochelle Thank you for posting that! Very interesting. I like the image of Axl running around changing his clothes the entire night. And I think the sensitivity Herb Ritz' speaks of comes through in the pictures.

@killuridols The French artist comparison But yes, I can see it.

Also, if I'm Sinead O'Connor, then you must be Izzy, because Izzy said a very similar thing once in a worried/disapproving manner about Axl always staying up all night and sleeping all day. That was in the 2000s.  And I'm pretty sure he still does that when he's at home (or out partying again).

Yes, I agree, working for Axl would be a nightmare for me. I practically got anxiety attacks from just reading about the pressure Axl put his employees under when he was being difficult again or when he got one of his strange ideas into his head. Like there was also a story about Axl being bored in Las Vegas and telling Craig to get him some obscure UFO guy who claimed to have been abducted by aliens or something. Again this was the days before internet and everything, so how do you find some random old guy in a huge city and get him to Axl immediately? And that's a mild one compared to situations where potential riots, police etc involved. And you're probably right about Beta. At least she doesn't seem to do much running about anymore. I even noticed that while they were in Vienna. They were there for about 5 days, and Axl holed up in his hotel room for all of them (except to go to the concert). Beta was never seen either, so I'm assuming she stayed inside with Axl. But Vanessa and Fernando were constantly out and about, doing whatever it is they do. And they were also both with Axl when he met with the fans.

I somehow don't remember how he stopped working for Axl. Maybe he didn't go into much detail in his book, but it can't really have been a bad split, because Craig Duswalt was invited to Axl's Halloween parties, seems to be friends with Beta (he mentioned her in an interview once and he even thanks Beta and Del in his book) and he mentions Axl inviting him and his wife for dinner during the time he was recording CD. No idea how their relationship is now after releasing that book though.

And yeah, there's a huge difference between Craig Duswalt and Beta. Craig Duswalt comes across like a nice enough guy, but he was more like a friend (well, a "friend" who works his ass off for you and and is responsible for taking care of your every whim ). He didn't do the caring, parental type thing, no. (Or if he did, he didn't mention it, like he apparently didn't mention a ton of things that happened while he was with Axl to protect Axl's privacy).

18 minutes ago, killuridols said:

If now he can go on time it's because something happened. Either he got professional help or there's a huge punishment if he behaves like that again.

It's pretty hard to kill old habits, you know? It seems he's been a night person since his youth and his profession didn't help to correct that either. So it all became a mess.

The shows are going fine and all but as we read from the Axl and models thread, he still parties the whole night and morning and sleeps in the afternoon.

Makes me wonder who the fuck was up for party on a Monday morning and kept him company

 

That's the gayest he's been in all these years. And I don't mean anything bad when I use the word gay (so for the lurkers, dont get offended!)

What I'm saying is that last night when he appeared wearing that I couldn't help noticing how much of a female he looked like

You know I dig the whole Janis outfit, not the tranny outfit though

What kind of punishment are you envisioning there? Horrendous fines? Legal repercussions? Duff whipping his ass?

Well at least that vest thing shows off his arms?

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Its not surprising Axl believes all the mumbo jumbo shit, seeing as he was basically raised in a Pentecostal church. They specialise in the art of brainwashing people into believing their preachers can make the blind see, the deaf hear again, the cripples walk... Ya get my drift.

Hey presto, you get a confused guy who walks around finding everything he's been taught to believe is a load of shit! It doesn't shock me in the least that Axl believed these money robbing, soul sucking parasites when they told him a crystal ball will help his psychotic mind. 

"I had to go to church anywhere from three to eight times a week. I even taught Bible school while I was beaten and my sister was being molested. We'd have televisions one week, then my stepdad would throw them out because they were satanic. I wasn't allowed to listen to music. Women were evil. Everything was evil. I had a really distorted view of sexuality and women. I remember the first time I got smacked forlooking at a woman. . . it was a cigarette advertisement with two girls coming out of the water in bikinis. I was just staring at the TV--not thinking, just watching--and my dad smacked me in the mouth. . . the Bible was shoved down my throat, and it really distorted my point of view." "Nothing ever happened to me. I watched my father speak in tongues and people interpret it. I watched him sing in perfect Japanese - and my dad doesn't know Japanese - and sing every note right on key with his eyes closed, driving 100 miles an hour down the freeway and not hitting a car. I don't know how that happened. I've seen people healed... I've seen people with no eyes read. It was very strange, but nothing ever happened to me. I always won all the bible contests. I taught Sunday school. I played piano. I knew more gospel songs than anybody I knew."

Experiences like the bolded absolutely must mess with the mind of a young impressionable child, even if they're all fake miracles and there are rational explanations for these things (I mean that nonsense babbling they do in pentecostal churches might very well seem like Japanese to a child who doesn't know any better for example). Still, so terrifying. Speeding down a highway with your eyes closed while pretending to sing in fake Japanese. With your kids in the car. What a despicable loon that guy must have been.

2 hours ago, Frey said:

I think that sounds pretty bad as well.

What gets me about all of this is how fucking inconsiderate and self-centered he is. I already thought that when he did that Eddie Trunk interview and said that the only thing that started cutting down the late times was when he realized that he was being hard on the crew. How did he not fucking realize this sooner?! Not everyone can sleep in until noon after being up all night, most people actually have to get up in the morning and do some actual work to keep this show going. Just, how clueless and self-centered can you be?!

Same with Duswalt. Since he was Axl's personal assistant, Axl should have known better than anyone about the work he does. How can he then justify keeping the guy up all night just because he himself can't sleep yet? (And really, what is he? Five? Why does he need someone to keep him company and talk to him until he feels he can go to sleep instead of you know, going to sleep on his own or keeping himself busy until he's tired? Like the adult he actually is supposed to be? )

And how didn't he realize how hard he made life for all the people who worked for him by making insane demands and refusing to go on stage?

Christ

1 hour ago, giuls said:

I agree with @killuridols Axl was obviously not mentally well, don't know for sure what he has exactly, not that this excuse him because he should have gotten actual serious help for himself and the other people in his life, i still think it's bad but it explains his behaviour, now he seems to be fine, thank god. 

I think Axl (sometimes at least) honestly doesn't realize how difficult he can make life for the people around him. But he does seem willing to work on changing his behavior at least if ithese issues are pointed out to him. And yes, he does seem much better about that stuff nowadays. (Though who knows what goes on behind the scenes )

31 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Yeah, palačiny is the plural but only in a certain case. Don't worry, Czech is a fucking difficult language, even Czech people have problems with it lol. Oh, I LOVE Marillenknödel (in Czech meruňkové knedlíky), he can have as many as he wants . Slash won't get anything, he's got his guitar case . Lol. 

I can see Duff still can't remeber their Prague gig, it was 1992, not 1991 as he writes lol. But it's great that he KNOWS we're not Czechoslovakia any longer, there are still plenty of people who don't know that (that reminds me that their photographer Kat and I were born in the same country, it can't be coincidence!!! ). "Pleasure and pain go hand in hand...". Jesus Duff 

 

That's what SEPTEM wrote in the thread: 

"did anybody noticed the axl/slash thing right before TIL last verse??

It was kind'a  " you killed this one dude, nah u did, no you, we both". It was an honest, magical, hugely IMPORTANT and MUTUAL gesture that shows how healthy/respectfull/chill/cool/mature/FRIENDLY are things on this Guns N' Roses inside world."

Poor Slash. Even our dumplings are healthier than that crap in his guitar case

Yeah, I know, I often hear people say Czechoslovakia as well, especially Americans (probably the same people who also constantly confuse Austria with Australia and bitch about our lack of kangaroos...). So Duff is already one step ahead there, you go Duff lol. (And yeah, clearly that can't be coincidence. You must be destined to become part of Axl's entourage as well Get me in there as well, when you've managed to do that!)

Can you post that gif here as well? I somehow must have missed it when I scrolled through that thread.

1 hour ago, Jane M. said:

Courtesy of instagram

Yes, clearly

@nn18 Finally we have a better version of that picture! Thank you! Now the only one we still need a better version of is that one I think:

5 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Yes!  I love Wiener Schnitzel as well. (and palačinky too) We also have the best beer (even though his beer gut doesn't need it lol ) and absinth .

I really hope they'll play in Prague. And I hope that this time Duff will remember it . When they played in Prague back in 1992, Duff was so fucked up that he found out he'd been in Prague some time later thanks to a stamp in his passport.

He can have ONE beer, because we're nice like that. No more though lol. (And palačinky, is that the plural? I knew I was going to fuck this up somehow )

I also just remembered another thing Axl likes (because I had the same thing for lunch today lol). Marillenknödel (apricot dumplings?). I couldn't figure out what they're called in Czech, but I guess you probably have these as well?

I know Axl likes these because when Axl was here in 2006, he specifically asked (!) / demanded for people to bring him some Marillenknödel before he would go on stage (wonder where/when he learned about these? ). For anyone wondering what it is that Axl wanted, it's these things. It's a sweet dish (but also kind of tart because of the apricots) and it's usually eaten as a main course around here (I know eating sweet dishes full of sugar and carbohydrates as the main course in a meal seems insane to Americans and most other people in the world, but that's how we roll in Central Europe )

(Axl clearly approves of this way of eating too lol. And it seems like Slash is not the only one with a sweet tooth then )

I would make Axl all the Marillenknödel he could possibly want Though they aren't exactly good for his gut either

As for Duff and Prague, yeah, I remember him saying that. BUT I can comfort you- he's been to Prague again since then and has said it's one of the most beautiful cities in Europe. He even wrote quite a bit about Prague in his second book in the chapter about travelling. Screenshot for you:

7 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Huh, is tht a threat or something?

Axl's sister was already backstage and the venue. And the situation was bad there, people were about to riot. And the police said they wouldn't stop people from rioting and destroying everything, so the situation was very dangeros for the people who were already there (like Axl's sister). So they told Axl this to convince him to leave his hotel room.

As for the stuff about Slash and Axl, here is the entire story copied straight out of Slash's book:

It shouldn’t be shocking to hear that it wasn’t always smooth sailing when Axl lived with my
family. As I mentioned, my room was off the living room, down two flights of stairs, under the
garage. For the most part, Axl kept to himself when I wasn’t there, but one morning after I’d left for
work, apparently he wandered up and crashed out on the couch in the living room. In other
households that might not have been that big of a deal, but in ours it was. My grandmother, Ola Sr.,
was our matriarch and that couch was the throne from which she watched her favorite TV shows
every afternoon. When she arrived, right on time to enjoy her regularly scheduled programming, and
found Axl there, sprawled out, Ola Sr. politely roused him. In her sweet, soft, old-lady voice she
asked him to go back downstairs to my room, where he could sleep as long as he liked. For whatever
reason, that didn’t go over well: from what I understand, Axl told my grandmother to fuck off then
stormed downstairs to my room—at least that’s what my mom said.

My mom took me aside when I got home from work, and as easygoing as she is, she insisted that
if Axl was going to live under her roof for even one more day, he needed to apologize to her mother
and promise to never behave that way again. It was my duty to make it happen, which at the time I
didn’t think was that big of a deal.
My mom used to loan me her green Datsun 510, and as Axl and I drove to rehearsal that evening,
I mentioned, in the least confrontational way, that he should probably apologize to Ola Sr. for telling
her to fuck off. I hadn’t known Axl long, but I already knew him well enough to understand that he
was a sensitive, introspective person who endured serious mood swings, so I chose my words
carefully and presented the issue in a very nonjudgmental, objective tone. Axl stared out the window
as I spoke, then he started rocking back and forth in the passenger seat. We were driving on Santa
Monica Boulevard, doing about forty miles an hour, when suddenly, he opened the car door and
jumped out without a word. He stumbled, kind of hopped, and made it onto the sidewalk without
falling. He steadied himself, then took off down a side street without looking back.

I was shocked; I did a U-turn and drove around in vain, looking for him for an hour. He didn’t
show up back at my house that night and he didn’t come to rehearsal for four days. On the fifth day he
appeared at the studio as if nothing had happened. He’d found somewhere else to crash and he never
mentioned it again. It was pretty clear to me from that point forward that Axl had a few personality
traits that set him very far apart from every other person I’d ever known.

And here's the video: