Lumikki

7 hours ago, killuridols said:

Yes, he is contradictory, but so are we all human beings, haha... I think he talked about that in that famous Rolling Stone interview from 1989. He mentioned about disliking rich people but at the same time he was becoming one of them, then he sorta laughed at how it is cool to know what is like to be on both sides of the fence.

Maybe our historian @Lumikkiremembers more about that (or some of the other girls who always post cool interviews)

Historian? Hah! I like that. The title should go to @Blackstar though, she's much more academic about her GnR knowledge than I am and always has sources for what she says. While I usually just spout random crap that I vaguely remember in some dark corner of my mind.

That said, I do think I have the quote you're talking about:

I like being successful. I was always starving. On the other side. When it came to people with money, it was always "The rich? Fuck them!" But I left one group and joined another. I escaped from one group where I was looked down on for being a poor kid that doesn't know shit, and now I'm, like, a rich, successful asshole. I don't like that. I'm still just me and, with a lot of people's help, the group was able to become a huge financial success. None of us were the popular kids in school – we were all outcasts who got together and pooled our talents.

There's also this:

A few years ago you were a poor kid in a struggling rock band, and today you're in one of the most popular groups in the world. How have you adjusted to your success?
Trying to handle success is a pain in the ass. It's really strange and takes some getting used to. I've never had my place to live before, never had to deal with the amount of money we've made and not get ripped off, never understood doing your taxes and all these things. I was hating it a few months ago, trying to get organized and trying to get a place to live and to get a grip on everything. But now things are coming together. I've wanted to be here my whole life.

Did you ever in your wildest dreams think your first album, Appetite for Destruction, would do as well as it did?
Thought about it a lot.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-axl-rose-19890810

The thing about wanting to be at this point his whole life and daydreaming a lot about Appetite being super successfull imo supports what @Blackstar said about Axl dreaming about the luxurious life since he was a child. Was Axl's family kind of poor or something? I mean obviously most children would rather picture themselves as being well-off/rich as adults than poor, but I never dreamed about having "servants", car collections or 1000 $ pants. And I still don't want or need these things.

Slash and especially Duff are the complete opposite and proud of that. They always point out their working class roots, and talk about not spending a lot/not wasting money, and how they both come from the same background and can connect with each other's hard-working mentality etc.

16 hours ago, killuridols said:

I need to read Craig Duswalt's book. Never thought it'd be interesting but by what you're telling here looks liek I might get entertained by it

His book isn't all that interesting imo and there are a lot of boring parts in it, and you can tell he didn't want to upset Axl with the book, so nothing overly revealing or personal is mentioned. He mostly paints Axl in a pretty positive light. But there were some interesting tidbits in there like the baby wallaby story that I mentioned earlier in the thread or Axl really wanting to send his magical quack doctors to Freddie Mercury because he thought they could cure his AIDS... Also some more eyebrow raising stuff like described below.

13 hours ago, Frey said:

Babying him how?

There were a few instances in the book that I felt were a bit , but the one I remember most vividly was Duswalt describing a typical day with Axl on the road during the UYI tour:

Day starts after a show. After a show, Axl was hungry, so they needed to find a place to eat that was still open in the middle of the night. Therefore they usually ended up at pancake places or cheap diners, nothing fancy. But it wasn't a problem because Axl liked simple food like pancakes, waffles, chicken fried steak etc. anyway.

(Side note for @Andy14: So Axl likes Palatschinken / Palačinka and Wiener Schnitzel / Vídeňský řízek... This clearly means he should come visit us, since we've got his favorite food and everything here. He can have all the Palačinka and Schnitzels he wants with us and better ones than he's used to from the US too )

While there, Axl apparently could never decide what to eat, so they ordered like 5 or 6 different dishes for him and he'd just sit there and eat a little bit of everything from every plate. Okay, a bit excentric and childish, but whatever, they can afford it.

By the time they were done eating, it was usually already the early morning hours and everyone was fucking tired. Except Axl, who was still all wired up and full of energy from the concert. So Craig Duswalt had to stay up with him and talk to him until Axl was tired enough and ready to fall asleep The problem with that being that unlike Axl (who slept till noon from then on) Craig had to get up again in 1-3 hours to do some actual work.

So Craig Duswalt barely got any sleep and worked the entire morning till noon until Axl was done with his beauty sleep. When Axl woke up again, he'd usually wander into Craig's room (which was always right next to Axl's room) like a toddler and say that he was hungry. So then Craig would hand him the room service menu, Axl would choose something and then Craig ordered whatever Axl chose.

In the afternoon, Axl had stuff like psychotherapy, physiotherapy or he worked out on his exercise monstrosity. Evenings were time for getting ready for concerts again and no one wanted to be the one who had to tell Axl that he had to leave now and they were all walking on egg shells around him basically with that issue.

Nothing about that is overly bad, but jeeeez dude, go read a book or watch some TV if you can't fall asleep instead of robbing other people of their sleep by making them tell you bedtime stories or babbling at them for hours.  Also how hard can it be to pick up the fucking menu and order room service yourself? Why does he need to wander into his babysitter's room to whine about being hungry instead of just doing it himself? I'm sure Slash or Duff would have just picked up the phone by their bed and ordered whatever they wanted if they were hungry and that's it. (I think Duswalt had some excuse for that, the waiters bothering Axl or whatever, but I wasn't convinced since the waiters also seemed to bother Axl when they were eating/hanging out in Craig Duswalt's room...)

And of course the whole going on stage issue. Iirc, Duswalt said he never talked to Axl about going on stage and never reminded him of how many hours till he had to go on stage again tonight, because he knew it would upset him or something. So because he/they couldn't risk upsetting Axl by telling him he had to go onstage/when he had to go onstage, they resorted to trickery: they faked the schedules with the time lines on it for every show. Basically they moved all the items on the schedule a few hours forward, so Axl would think they had to go on stage earlier than they actually had to when he saw it. This way, they got a few hours buffer zone for Axl's lateness. And yet they still constantly went on stage hours and hours late The lengths they went to to get Axl on stage at some point of the night instead of just sitting down and talking to him about it are pretty insane.

He also mentioned times where Axl made some insane demands that had to be met or he would refuse to go onstage (like finding an English speaking throat specialist in @Andy14's country shortly before the concert in times where there was no internet or cell phones). Or that one time they had to remind him that his sister might be killed if he didn't go on stage and that finally made him come with them.

There was also something about Axl not paying for stuff himself when out shopping (his babysitters had to do that for him) and not handling his money himself.

I don't know. Craig Duswalt really tried to be as nice as possible about everything, but there was still a lot of moments coming through between the lines.

47 minutes ago, killuridols said:

It's true what you say about good looks making things easier for people and getting benefits out of it. I think it works a lot more for women than for men (because most power positions are held by men) but knowing about Axl's androgyny and the environment where he would mostly interact (Hollywood) it is probable gay men would feel attracted to him and helped him in some way or another.

I also remember Izzy saying something like they could never kick Axl out of the band because he was so charming and everytime he did something wrong to them, he'd come back and wrap them around his finger with some story or tale they couldn't resist and also because his voice was something they couldn't ditch just like that. They knew the guy had an unique voice that was key in making the difference among the other bands.

lol when you say this:

I feel like saying.... Hell, didn't you use to be Sinead O' connor??

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Do you guys think Axl changed his liking of women? He seems to hang out only with blonde types now, while his two big loves were brunettes (Erin and Stephanie), and not counting Sasha (because I don't know what the hell she is to him) I've been noticing how all these girls look the same now: skinny and "nordic" (probably like you Lumikki and @Andy14) instead of a hot sex bomb like Stephanie used to be. And they are always embarassingly taller than him, lol

Gay men? Like who? Tom Zutaut and David Geffen?

I don't think I've ever come across Izzy saying that, but I can totally imagine that. It's really hard to stay mad at him, he's too cute and charming

I just googled that Sinead O' Connor thing. I swear I didn't know she had also said nearly the same thing. But I can definitely understand

Tbh, I have no idea what Axl's taste is like when it comes to women nowadays. Too many of them by now to form a clear picture in my mind.

And LOL, I'm not very nordic looking either. People who look like that are actually not very common here (though there are some); you'd have to go up to northern Germany and Scandinavia to find a lot of Caroline Winbergs. My natural hair color is brown and I have brown eyes and I'm only 1,70 m. Not enough to be a model, but at least I wouldn't be embarassingly taller than Axl next to him

@Andy14 I have zero idea. Because all the things I'd really want to know I'd never ask because it wouldn't be appropriate for a quick meeting and I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable or seem rude. (Now if I got to hang out a few hours with them, that might be a different story maybe...). How about you @Andy14? Do you have something you want to ask them?

(Maybe just "Can I have a hug?" because I didn't get to do that when I actually met Axl, and I would really like to give him a hug. And I wouldn't mind hugging Slash or Duff either...)

There's some more things I want to reply to, but for now...

2 hours ago, Frey said:

Playing the devil's advocate a bit here, but has Axl ever actually lived on his own, without someone else watching out for his ass?

As far as I know, he went from living with his parents to living with his grandma. The years after that it seemed to be mostly that Gina Siler chick and Izzy supporting him and watching out for him.

Then after that they had their little GNR gang all watching out for each other, with Izzy saying something like "If it weren't for the four of us, I don't even want to imagine where Axl would be. Probably dead or in jail." Around the same time he also found Erin, who said she dedicated her entire life to taking care of Axl.

Alan Niven pretty soon hired babysitters for Axl and from that point on he was never without various personal assistents/babysitters/handlers again.

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

I think you have a point too, Frey. He never lived on his own and he never had a home of his own until he made it with GN'R. To his credit, I also think you must be very charming, special or have I don't know what to be so lucky with always finding someone (who are not your own family) supporting you, both financial and emotionally.

That's an interesting perspective on Axl's life. I'm not sure what to think about it. It really does seem like he was always lucky enough to have someone supporting him in every way.

And yeah, Izzy has made quite a few comments that make Axl sound like a total loon who'd be completely lost on his own, but then again that's Izzy and Izzy says a lot of weird shit. But he also knows Axl better than almost anybody else, so I don't know, there might be some truth to the theory of Axl not really being able to get by on his own, but we'll never know because he went from being a cute kid who had friends and girfriends to depend on straight to being a rich rock star who had all kinds of assistants.

I also agree with @killuridols that it was probably his charm, personality and good looks that saved him in that case. I mean when I look at young Axl, there's nothing I want to do more than take him home with me, wrap him in a blanket and feed him some soup. Hell, I still feel that way about him a lot lol. I'm sure he must have evoked similar emotions in people like Erin or even Slash, etc.

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

There's something I always found strange and fascinating at the same time. You guys tell me what you think. There was this sort of personaly diary that Erin auctioned (among other things) where Axl wrote lyrics, thoughts and this particular list of things he wanted to achieve in the future. Something like a list of life goals.

It creeps me out how all of those items he was able to cross out in a few years after he wrote them. But please, pay attention to the last item from the list. It surprises me big.

Ok, I have a transcript of the diary pages but one or more words are missing:

B-1 / Establish financial freedom + security
- Learn, (unreadable), invest, profit
- Plan out + pay all debts - literal & cerebral

B-2/ Establish freedom in lifestyle, fashion, leisure, sex-life

B-3/ Find home- Establish bi-coastal dwellings

B-4/ GET A FUCKIN CAR!!!!
begin the collection

B-5/ Servants (secretaries + assistants)
Female and male

Thanks for that transcript, I was squinting at some of the items trying to figure them out I think that list is both creepy and impressive. I mean those are some pretty insane plans and goals, but he really did manage to turn them into reality. Not many people manage to do something like that, especially not starting from where Axl came from. I find the way he phrased things both hilarious and cringeworthy. "Establish bi-coastal dwellings"

I do not like the word "servants" either, but then again I guess this is not too surprising coming from the man who also wrote the OIAM lyrics. Being specific about the gender of the servants is crazy indeed and probably the most hilarious/scary part of that entire list for me.

And yeah, it does give the impression that he really must hate chores a lot lol. Maybe he had to do a lot of them as a kid?

For what it's worth though, he doesn't seem completely allergic to doing chores. Like I said, he cooks, and I remember his grandma said he helped her with chores around the house when he was living with her.

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As for Caroline Winberg, I knew about her being around the periphery of Axl/TB. I remember her hanging out with Axl in 2006 (a lot of people thinking they had an affair with each other) and I also noticed her talking to Vanessa on Instagram some time ago. I was surprised by that because I had completely forgotten about her and didn't think she'd still be in contact with Axl or his people. I'm glad to hear she thinks he's a "wonderful and kind person".

Not 100% sure if I buy Duff being there, but if he was then I'm glad for that. Good to seem him hanging out with Axl and watching out for him.

@killuridols I've joked about him pulling a Ricky Martin and getting a surrogate to carry his children before But the thing is, he actually could do that if he really wanted to, and the fact that he hasn't done so makes me think having children might just not be high on his list of priorities anymore as well. Maybe he's just resigned himself to staying single with occasional hook-ups forever. Pretty sad to think about, but that's what it looks like right now

As for your crazy theory, well, I wouldn't be shocked at all, but I'm a distrustful bitch like that

Agreed about the pictures, I don't see any emotion in them either. They're kind of soulless and boring.

And yeah, I think you can usually tell designer clothes apart from regular H&M type clothes as well. At least with the clothes Axl wears. I can tell they're more well-made and made out of higher quality material when I look at them.

@Andy14 I don't think there's anything wrong with him wearing designer clothes if he likes them, but if I were rich, I still wouldn't buy expensive clothes like that. The thought of paying over 1000 $ for a pair of pants makes me shudder. I'd constantly be thinking of all the other awesome stuff  I could have bought for all that money

@SerenityScorp People have already pointed you in the right direction, but yeah that story by HisRoyalSweetness is what I was referring to.

30 minutes ago, Mandy123 said:

Slash wearing a shirt onstage that Duff bought him - that is some fanfiction stuff right there! 

Does my Sluff heart good. 

It really is something straight of fanfiction, isn't it?

But anyway, it's very sweet. I really love how Duff doesn't shy away from showing the people he loves that he cares. Picking out all these shirts for Slash, saying that he loves him (not to mention all the xxoo's ) when he posted that picture from the birthday dinner, the birthday dinner itself... It's heartwarming to see.

And @giuls I agree with you regarding that color. And I've hardly ever seen Slash wear anything yellow, so I'm guessing he's not too fond either. Maybe he just wore that shirt for Duff's sake to make him happy

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Lumikki I'm glad there's someone else who doesn't get why the majority of GNRs pics by Kat have to be black and white. I thought maybe it was some way of making Axl look better, but she does it to the other bands she photographs too 

I don't think you can class TB as family for Axl in any way either. Duffs family for example are really supportive and really proud of him and he them, they do not interfere with the running of his band, I know sometimes Susan puts silly things on Twitter, but she doesn't try to run Guns n Roses! I doubt she would say to Duff he either makes her his manager or she's packing her bags :/

I wouldn't mind TB so much if they didn't bring such a weird vibe with them. Like sometimes all you see of Axl is him on stage, he doesn't do interviews or speak much and when he's pictured off stage he's surrounded by them and the freak show  I hate saying it, but sometimes it gives me the impression he's an idiot, like totally incapable of doing anything at all for himself, just pushed on stage to sing and then like kept in this bubble by them. Axl is at fault for this too btw, he lets it happen. Maybe my opinion is too harsh? 

The China Exchange thing was so great cos he seemed normal there, funny and human. Like when he's pictured with Slash and Duff, he looks completely different. 

I thought if ever a reunion happened that they would be relegated to the background, well that's definitely not the case. I dont know much about Beta, but I really dislike Fernando. I can't imagine Slash and Duff liking him either, imo. 

I don't know, I'm probably just rambling on and making no sense whatsoever 

Some people just seem to think that B&W pictures are more artsy or serious or whatever

And no, I think you're making perfect sense. And I agree they do bring a weird vibe with them. Axl surrounded by Slash and Duff (or like in the China Exchange) comes across as a sweet and likable guy. Not creepy at all. But as soon as the freak show's in the picture And yeah, I can't imagine Slash and Duff liking that slimy smug ... either. 

Also I don't think your opinion is too harsh. You raised an interesting point there, one that I remember being discussed in the social media thread some time ago. People were arguing there just how capable Axl is of doing anything himself. Like cooking, booking plane tickets, shopping, etc. Because yes, with the limited amount of things we see, it does often come across like he's some kind of idiot incapable of doing anything by himself. I do know he sometimes cooks for himself and he knows how to make at least a couple of dishes, but apart from that If I had to guess, I'd say he probably isn't incapable of doing all that shit (although it's possible he's got some trouble with certain things due to mental illness or whatever), because he actually is a reasonably intelligent guy (in some respects at least...), but he's just too lazy to deal with a lot of things / doesn't see the point of doing them if he can get somebody else to do them for him. And I can't even really blame him, because if I were rich I'd delegate a lot of tasks I don't like to other people as well, but I'd like to think I wouldn't let it get as far as him. If you compare Axl to Slash and Duff for example... well, they never come across the way you described. They seem much more in control of their own lifes.

It's not a new thing and not necessarily just a TB thing though. I remember rolling my eyes a couple of times while reading Craig Duswalt's (the guy who was his personal assistent before Beta) book because of how much they were babying him. And Alan Niven whining about picking the wrong babysitters for Axl and Slash saying in that talk show he started treating Axl with kid gloves after the car incident. He's been babied by the people around him from early on and it hasn't done him any favors imo.

2 hours ago, alfierose said:

I imagine GNR after parties are as much for the (often famous and rich themselves) guests as they are for the band. Imagine their disappointment in getting an invite to one only to find it full of 'ordinary' people. Cue countless articles about Axl et al losing their status and star power.

I bet in reality most nights he wants to go back to his room, drink hot chocolate and watch GoT. 

1 hour ago, starlight said:

it seems to me those kind of afterparties have become a sort of boring routine, something he's not into anymore but he feels obligated to do them. I bet Axl would prefer to spend his free time in another way and with different people. And I'm happy Duff was there,it means he's taking care of Axl.

I think you're spot on with that.

And remember, he's a big fan of Netflix and said it needs to exist in his perfect vision of the world, so chilling in his room and watching TV shows is probably exactly what he wants to do

And the mention of Duff being there was the best thing about that article. I'm really glad to hear that.

3 hours ago, Frey said:

WTF are you people on about? He looks just the same as he always does.

And he wears eyeliner (and even other stuff) all the time. On stage, in all the fan pictures I've ever seen of him,... I think he doesn't leave his hotel room before putting on some eyeliner like some woman who doesn't leave the house before putting on make-up.

Seriously. Axl looks just like he always does and he wears make up all the fucking time. And he has been doing that for years. It's not like it's something new.

Omg, someone has just started another thread about Axl having nose jobs and cheek bone implants. Will the cheekbone implant bullshit never go away?! Someone give me strength.

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

- The straitjacket Slash had given to Axl: Slash connected Axl's reaction to something he said in a Rolling Stone that Axl had found insulting (Slash didn't know what it was exactly) although he seemed cool at first. Here's what Slash said about Axl in that interview:

While most members of the band have had difficulties handling booze and drugs, Axl has had the toughest time just dealing with people. He's had hassles with his neighbor. He's had marital woes, continuing confrontations with the Hollywood police and other sticky situations. How have these incidents affected the group and the recording of the album?
Well, they're a pain in the ass, and they keep things from getting done. I'm the most uptight about all of this. It's just my nature — Axl thinks I'm this sort of sick-minded workaholic. And it's true — in some ways, I do get uptight. I can get very negative about it. But there are moments when it [Axl's troubles] really gets in the way of what I think is productive, and we end up spending a lot of money. Sometimes I think Axl has no idea, or has a very slight idea, of what the financial reality is. I mean, to me $400,000 or whatever to make a record is ludicrous. Of course, if I was to say that to Axl outright, he'd say I don't know what he's going through, and there'd be a fight right there. That's the way we've always been — there's something I can't relate to or vice versa, and that's where we butt heads. So I just sit there with my head between my knees, freaking out...But Axl's craziness drives me crazier than it does Axl, unbeknownst to him. And that's the truth.

Why do you think he gets into so much trouble?
Axl is like a magnet for problems. I've never met anybody like him. He's the kind of guy that would get a toothbrush stuck down his throat because that particular toothbrush happened to be defective. I mean, shit goes on with that guy, and if you talked to him, he'd tell you the same thing.

The bond between you two often seems volatile.
I don't want to talk about Axl, because everybody is constantly trying to pit us against each other. You know, they're trying to put two fucking Japanese fighting fish in the same bowl. We've always been the same. We have our ups and downs, and we butt heads. As long as I've known Axl, we've had so many differences that have been like the end of the line as far as we were concerned. I think that happens with most singers and guitar players, or whatever that cliché is. It might look a little intense on the outside, seeing all this shit that we're going through, but it makes for a tension that's — in a morbid kind of way — really conducive to the music we collaborate on. But as far as Axl goes, he is the best singer-lyricist around.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-rolling-stone-interview-slash-19910124

Maybe Axl combined in his mind what Slash said about his craziness with the straitjacket and thought that it wasn't just a gag present.

Thank you for posting that. Very interesting, and I agree, combined with these statements Axl might have found the straitjacket offensive.

But honestly, every single sentence in that first answer would probably have been enough to piss Axl off I mean Axl has gotten upset about way less. I don't know what Slash was thinking that day. Hell, I would be offended by some of these things if I were him and I'm not an easily offended person.

So it also might just be a case of Axl initially liking that jacket, but then just using it as a way to get back at him.

All this talk about Axl's craziness being difficult for him, but ultimately being a good thing for their music (and how it's always been that way with them) reminds me of the Back And Forth Again lyrics. "You drove me crazy and I let you / Come do it some more / Put the past to bed / We've done it before..."  Always thought those were about Axl.

25 minutes ago, killuridols said:

That's exactly why I think I won't meet him!!! Spontaneous is the way to go and the way you did it, you were destined to meet him, effortlessly

The whole organizing/co-ordinating stuff has to do with the fact that I have to actually travel for the show. I don't live in the place where they are playing and I'm going by myself this time, so I have to prepare ground for such a big event. I will also be meeting other fans, friends of mine who are coming from other parts of the country, it's more than just going to the show. It's gonna be a gunners fest, I think. Maybe I end up hiding in a cave when I get there, because sometimes my mood changes and I want to be all by myself, but at least the intentions are present and hopefully, it's gonna be a moment in my life I'll never forget.

Well as the saying goes, all roads lead to Rome... or Axl, I guess in this case And I gotcha, I now have to travel again as well and shit for going to shows, but back then I was still living in Vienna, so it was easy.

And doesn't he have any other friends he could have taken?   (No wait, he actually doesn't. All of his other "friends" would have been just as bad )

42 minutes ago, Frey said:

@Andy14

I do remember Slash saying that he liked Axl's skirts though. Make of that what you will 

24 minutes ago, pinkforgirls said:

*gently plucks the kilt from the smoldering pile*

Slash will help you.

Seriously though, I remember that interview. Someone asked him about Axl's fashion choices or something and Slash said he liked Axl's skirts but not the white leather jacket (or the entire white leather ensemble? Something like that).

What I take away from this is:

Slash likes seeing Axl wear skirts.

And also leather, but only black leather.

Not that I disagree with Slash or anything, I like Axl in skirts and black leather too

@Mararoyce Welcome! This thread is indeed the most fun place on the entire board. I think you're misinterpreting things a bit here though. I don't think anyone here was figuratively slapping you or putting you in your room without supper. Some people were just disagreeing with your point of view, doesn't mean yours was necessarily wrong or anything. And things can get heated here sometimes and the tone may sound a bit harsh, but it's nothing serious or personal against you.

@pinkforgirls DID YOU HAVE TO POINT THAT OUT, GIRL?! I hadn't even noticed him in that picture, but now I won't be able to unsee him. Boner killer indeed. Biggest fucking boner killer there is. His smug little pug face alone makes me wanna

4 hours ago, starlight said:

Axl's bulge...that's where he keeps the candies for Slash

Okay, that's one of the dirtiest one liners I've ever seen here and that's saying something, considering what a dirty, humid mess this thread is. Congrats on that

4 hours ago, killuridols said:

well sometimes you sounded like you hated him, lol but okay. I know what you mean... I've always liked him, even with his horrible past choices of clothes, hair style, facial hair style, lol.. I've come to accept the way he is. He's a flamboyant crazy guy, unfairly judged in my opinion, because we have Madonna or Boy George or even Michael Jackon changing their styles all the time and Im not sure they are/were criticized as much as Axl. I know the pop scene is much more lenient with these things but damn, Axl is as pop as all of them! goi

The thing that made me fall in love much much more this year was listening to him at the China Exchange thing. That made the difference for me. I know I come here and trash this thread with all of my and going overly horny for him. I do most of it for fun, I enjoy this sort of harmless fangirlism, but I'm much more serious in real life not like this and I care for the guy, for real, so I mention the China Exch because listening to him was like heaven for me. It's been so long since he talked openly to fans. Seeing him laugh, being funny, being cool, it made my day! I think I know each one of his responses by heart, lol... I've watched that a million times and I keep watching it because when Axl talks is so cool. He's such a brilliant guy, smart, funny... i think it's a waste that he doesn't do this more often.. because he's great, he should be on television, on the radio, everywhere- I hope his healing includes more openness with his fans and that we all get more chances of seeing him like at that china Exchange conference

Omg by the time he comes to Argentina I'm gonna be almost dead! You have NO IDEA all the plans that I have!! I dont even have the tickets and my world is already upside down

I want to make it so special, I'll be taking days off my duties so that I can fully experience this. I know it's going to be INSANE in Buenos Aires, in River Plate, because of all the history that it entails and the memories and the people travelling from all places in the country to see them. I'm making lots of arrangements, phone calls, chats, coordinating pre-parties, pre-meetings before the show with other fans... I'm living a dream... so, hopefully, that includes meeting him in person and also the other guys. I really want to meet Slash and Duff too. I don't know how Im gonna do it, if I'll have support for it but we're on the track to make this shows amazing.

I'm sooooo happy today but don't mind me because my plans always go shit so probably soon I'll be back to being a depressive ball, as usual lol

Anyway, first is first and that is getting the tickets. That's making me nervous.. I just read that in Chile and Peru they have sold like 75% of the stadiums already and Argentina is holding like a motherfucker yet.. Im pissed off about that but okay. I'll try to remain positive.

And, hah, about flashes of flesh yes, they are just that, flashes... Here I have a little screenshot for you girls (you and @Andy14)... This happens so quick that its hard to make a proper screenshot but if you wanna see it,  they are like three instances in different moments of Out Ta Get Me.

 

Yeah, I guess I can sound a bit harsh sometimes with him (and Slash). Don't take it too seriously though, I actually love all of them (well at least Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy... don't have much love for the drummers or Dizzy or whoever). It's just that Axl and Slash are the ones with the biggest talent for irritating me, while the other two are relatively difficult to bitch about (although Izzy has made some steps towards changing that recently ).

I never stopped liking Axl either, I just stopped wanting to do drag him into my bed for a while. I'd still have liked to hang out with him or chat to him about everything under the sun

China Exchange was awesome indeed. Didn't find him particularly attractive there looks-wise, but he was very charming and adorable. Handled himself very well, smart, funny... can't say enough good things about it. He really should do much more stuff like that. I could listen to him talk for hours.

And duuude, you sound way organized, all those arrangements, co-ordinating stuff Going by that level of preparation your chances of meeting Axl should be way higher than mine My preparations basically amounted to buying a ticket for the concert from a disgruntled ACDC fan for half the price and reading the free metro station newspaper rag the day before the show to find out where they were staying at.

3 hours ago, Frey said:

And even Erin's kids hang out with Slash, so I wouldn't be shocked if he was worth some candy for his birthday to her:

That little mini Erin clone is just the cutest.

I remember from the Instagram comments under that picture that Slash was talking about Spongebob with her and told her he knew a Perla for real. Kid was impressed by that, but it's kind of a dig at Perla the ex-wife if you know what Perla from Spongebob's like

3 hours ago, Andy14 said:

How can you even miss anything here? This is the most important thread . We've got everything you want...we know the names...We are the people that can find whatever you may need....It gets worse here everyday 

That last part is definitely true

2 hours ago, giuls said:

Yes, that's what i said, the dinner was on the 22 and the backstage party on the 23, i meant that i didn't know when the photo of Axl clubbing were taken, not about the celebration, i'm sorry i wasn't very clear, damned english! 

Whatever the exact time frame of all these events was, I'm sure Axl and Slash managed to squeeze a private celebration in there somewhere

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

I'm sure Axl is pretty aware of the role Susan and the girls have in Duff's life. I'm sure Axl knows pretty well he cannot mess up with them or Duff will choke him to death.

Duff is proud of his wife and children, no one comes before them so I guess anyone trying to mess with them or getting in trouble with them will feel the wrath of Duff.

Even if Duff is the most calm man in the world. I think his family is his limit.

I think Axl knows not to mess with Duff's family too. Apart from knowing Duff would kill him, he also probably has too much respect and admiration (and maybe some jealousy) for this well-functioning, stable and loving family that Duff has created to mess with that. That whole concept of healthy loving families is something he was forever obsessed about and dreamed about having for himself, so having an actual example in front of him all the time is maybe quite nice for him to see... Or not. Someone mentioned soemthing earlier about him not going to the birthday dinner because all that family stuff would be depressing for him, and I can see that possibility as well. I don't know, that's a difficult issue.

And yep Susan probably talks to Axl sometimes... We even have a picture of the first time (or one of the first times) she spent a few hours talking to Axl. Also sorry to those who react allergically to She-who-shall-not-be-named, but I'm too lazy to cut her out of the picture Have to say it's weird that Axl took her along to hang out with Susan and Duff though. I mean why? Is he uncomfortable hanging out with a married couple without having some kind of partner/date of his own or something? It's not like it was a planned double date or anything, they were just reconnecting after accidentally running into each other. Why drag Sasha along for that? I can only imagine what Duff thought about Axl dragging some random escort who supposedly barely speaks English along to that outing.

4 hours ago, giuls said:

@Lumikki  I never noticed Renee was so similar to Axl... I don't know how to react tbh, Slash said he liked the crazy chicks... i wonder who else fit the description only he isn't a chick 

No idea who you could possibly be talking about

(But yeah, he's attracted to crazy, and no one's got more of that than our favorite ginger...)

3 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Probably He is, Theres a story of Him about tht right

N' Axl is the opposite

so They are perfectly match 

What do you mean? That story where some groupie tied Slash to a bed with handcuffs and then left him there? 

But Axl is not actually the opposite. He's not some crazy sadist or into overly violent stuff, we discussed this earlier in the thread.

4 hours ago, nonok said:

By the way I think it's pretty normal for close friends to give each other cynical presents - they know the other person will just find the humor in it and not get offended. Axl has made fun of himself numerous times for being a "dictator" and acting crazy so if he's in a good mood he'll just laugh at a gift like a straitjacket. As for the candy, it could be from Axl but it doesn't seem grandiose enough for him, especially since it's the first actual gift he's personally given Slash in 20 years. If the candy is indeed from him, then I'm sure he also gave him something else that we'll never know about but that's sure to make The Slash shed a tear.

I think Izzy has started to lose his hair too, at least judging by that photo of him in the guitar store from a few months ago. Tbh Steven's aged the best, he'd look about 30 if it wasn't for the stroke - even his hair is still thick and colorful (although he does remind me of Robert Plant a bit too much).

Agreed on the presents. I like joking about the lame presents, but I wouldn't read anything into them, they're just gag gifts.

And you pointed out why I feel a bit torn on the candy theory, because on the one hand it seems like something Axl would give him and Axl apparently has a history of presenting gag gifts in guitar cases (and there's also Meegan's mysterious caption), but yeah, you're right, not grandiose enough. If it really was from him, then I also think he gave Slash an actual present as well. Same goes for the wedding snake lol. Many people have said Axl is very generous and likes grandiose gestures, so yeah...

And damn, I wanna know what made The Slash shed a tear Time for him to write another book.

I think Izzy's hair is at least starting to thin as well, yeah. Maybe that's why he's always wearing hat these days, on the rare occasions we even get to see him. Steven has miraculously aged the best indeed, but I didn't like his hair from the 80s and I still don't like his hair now, so I can't include him in a good hair discussion. Technically he has fully and healthy hair, but that hair style...

4 hours ago, killuridols said:

lol I can't believe you've got to meet this guy and you don't even like him, while an Axl adorer like me will never stand a chance 

He's been losing weight with all the sweating he does in every show. I notice he's not so puffy and bloated anymore. Those videos are from last weekend. He looks great in all of them, I can't stop watching and I've save them to my computer (like the rest of the Axl porn that I harbor ).

By the time he comes to Argentina he's gonna be on point... omg I'm shaking 

What? Who says I don't like him? I absolutely love that ginger menace, he's like my baby that I somehow can never stay mad at, even when he's being frustrating or an idiot.  I fell in love with him when I was a kid and it's never really gone away, so meeting him was a dream come true. Plus he used to be one of the most beautiful men I can think of. It's just that my attraction to him went away in all these years of terrible fashion choices, bad hairstyles, bloatedness, horrible moustaches... But now that he's starting to look more and more like 80s/90s Axl again, it seems to be returning

And like @Andy14 said, a lot of pictures don't do him justice. He looks surprisingly young and cute (and tiny ) in real life when you stand in front of him. And he also didn't seem fat to me when I met him, even though that was at the beginning of the ACDC tour when he was still much more bloated than he is now. Ever since I met him back then my attraction to him has gradually started returning I think.

So by the time he gets to Argentina, he should therefore be looking downright skinny in real life

(Also I wouldn't say you don't stand a chance of meeting him. I never believed that I would ever meet him either and it still happened, so there's always a chance apparently!)

4 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Lumikki it's strange you say you recently find yourself attracted to Axl again, me too. Obviously I used to fancy the pants off him back in the day , but since the 2002 weirdness and then the strange different looks he went through afterwards, I just didn't find him attractive any more. To me he looked a whole different person altogether, even live, right there in front of me. But now, he looks like Axl again, he looks great.  

I love the name William, and the it's really nice put together with the Rose surname. Should never shorten it to Bill  

A lot of my family are Irish and my husbands family are all Irish and there are quite a few Williams for us, we tend to shorten it to Liam lol 

 

Yeah, exactly. He was so damn gorgeous in the 80s/90s, but I could barely recognize him as the same guy during all these dark years. Not because I think he had some kind of plastic surgery or anything, but some of these awful clothes or hairstyles were just not him. And then came the bloatedness, and the cane and all the bling bling AND THAT GODDAMN HANDLEBAR MOUSTACHE (god, I hated that one so much), and he suddenly looked like a badly aging pimp or something Or some Willy Wonka type character. He himself also didn't seem all that happy much of the time.

But now he actually looks like himself again and that bright joyful and cheeky smile is back constantly now and ghuh Agreed on the red shirt though. No red shirts with ginger hair and brown hats.

Well Liam is definitely better than Bill imo lol. And I love William too, I would maybe even consider naming a kid William, but that would be a bit strange here. And I'm not really feeling the German version (Wilhelm), so... no future William for me. But Axel on the other hand is a pretty common name around here

Nah, just kidding, I'm not really going to name any future children after GnR members

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

Funny thing. I wanna believe that the sweets were a gift from Axl to Slash. I can see Axl reading this thread and the discussion about the weight, gut, bingo wings etc., so he decided to make Slash bigger and thus highlight his own weight loss and a great look. 

You've discovered Axl's secret plan 

Now let's hope Slash doesn't start reading this thread as well or Axl's cunning plan will be for naught

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

But....again....Where's Jeffrey Izzy? 

Jeffrey's too busy reading this thread and collecting material to sabotage William's and Saul's reunion.

Also @Andy14 and @killuridols I'm looking forward to all these screenshots and gifs of William's tummy   It's the first time since ages that we've seen a flash of flesh (flash of flesh? ok whatever lol) and I'll need to look closer at that for science. (And I'll take all of them please, thank you )

"I don't get the appeal of this"/Overrated:

About 50% of Appetite (But especially My Michelle and It's So Easy.)

About 80% of TSI

Perfect Crime

Pretty Tied Up

Right Next Door To Hell

You Ain't The First

November Rain? (I mean I get the appeal in theory, it's just mostly lost its appeal for me over the years, same with SCOM and Patience.)

KOHD (The only good thing about this is Axl chatting and joking around during that song in shows. Apart from that I never want to hear it again.)

You Could Be Mine

The Garden

Used To Love Her

Chinese Democracy (This is such a lame and boring song. It never goes anywhere and the chorus is weak. I don't get why they keep playing this )

This I Love (Very nice as an instrumental version, but can't deal with those lyrics )

Catcher In The Rye

"This is awesome and should get more love"/Underrated:

14 Years (My favorite Izzy song!)

Don't Damn Me

Garden Of Eden (Why does no one seem to like that one? It's so fast and fun! "The fire is burning and it's out of control, it's not a problem you can stop, it's rock n roll!")

Shotgun Blues (Despite the crappy lyrics it gets to be here, because I just love some parts of that song. "And I'm tired of the frustration, of living inside of your lies...")

Breakdown (This is art.)

Yesterdays ()

So Fine

Ain't It Fun (Best song on TSI imo, would love to hear that live. And also get Mike Monroe while we're at it.)

Street Of Dreams (My favorite CD song! It would have deserved to become a radio hit and it deserves to get played instead of fucking CD or TIL )

Prostitute (Art. And perfect ending for the album.)

Madagascar (Beautiful.)

Sorry

Shackler's Revenge

Don't Cry alt. (much prefer it to the regular version)

Crash Diet (I wish there was a proper studio version of this )

@killuridols LOL great comparison pictures

And yeah, that interview was discussed in the beginning of this thread.

I remember we talked about Axl and Slash jumping on the bed of Slash's grandmother like little kids And about Axl only wanting to talk about Slash to all these girls lol. Personally I think that whole article is probably legit.

12 hours ago, Kira said:

About the wooden snake gift; Axl put that in a guitar case so that makes me think he might have given the candy as well.

I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. Did it say if he also gave him anything else besides a fake snake in a guitar case?

And yeah, that's a point in favor of the "Candy was from Axl" theory.

12 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

He Must've noticed that she looks just like Axl right? I mean nobody, not even Slash, can be that high and drunk 

And she looks really angry in the car picture, he obviously likes volatile red heads 

He totally knew and he liked it

And yeah, so true

9 hours ago, nonok said:

Yep, @Lumikki and all the other Slaxl theorists (yay, we have a name now), Slash definitely likes Axl lookalikes. Even Perla looks like Axl to some degree, and I came across that picture that analyzes this fact again today, but it's on the computer and I'm half asleep, so I'll upload it tomorrow if the thread has not strayed too far away from the topic of Slash's romantic life. Anyway, the picture basically says "Axl's type: long, curly, dark hair *and a few pictures of Axl with Erin, Stephanie and some other woman*. Slash's type: long, straight red hair *pics of Slash with Renee, Perla and someone else, maybe one of the former*".

I mean yeah, they've slept with hundreds of women in their lives, but since that picture shows only their Axl and Slash lookalike girlfriends, using it as evidence of Slaxl is absolutely fine and not at all delusional. I wanna believe! 

Also, regarding the band's real names - for some reason I really want to call Axl William. It just suits him and it's a beautiful name (when it's not tainted by that abomination of a nickname called Bill). Beautiful name for a beautiful man.  

I can see what you mean about Perla as well. Especially when she laughs/smiles, then she's also got these really prominent cheekbones combined with a really bright smile, similar to Axl. She also often has long red hair and the slightly crazy expression in her eyes (not to mention the crazy behavior). Slash must be a masochist or something to be so attracted to people like Axl or Perla And I think I know which picture you mean lol.

And oh my god, I'm not the only one I think William would suit him really well too. I'd never do it because I know he's sensitive about any form of that name, but yeah. William is beautiful, kind of elegant and classy and poetic. It works really well for someone who's an artist/songwriter and as beautiful as Axl. Bill on the other hand... doesn't work at all, yeah

8 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Axl seems always gave Slash His fav things like rocking dino N' fake nake

Better than Slash gift to Axl  Straightjacket 

Its like called Axl crazy

I'm surprised Axl wasn't offened by that gift (Nah, it seems like it was something cool and maybe not really an actual straitjacket)

3 hours ago, RooSaa said:

They were fighting that day and Axl probably knew that he could hurt Slash a lot by doing this. We all do sometimes mean things when we are in a fight with someone ... i wonder if Slash gave it back to Axl again once they have been sorting out their argument ...

That's exactly why he did it. I wonder if Slash gave it back too. Like I wonder about so many stories Slash tells. That's my number one annoyance with Slash's book: He mentions all kinds of interesting stories, but never goes into details or tells us how something ended

13 hours ago, Frey said:

Sounds like someone was jealous and not thrilled about the bride marrying Slash

j/K

So Axl gave Slash and Renee a lame wedding gift and wanted to push the bride into the pool. Definitely sounds like someone was not thrilled about this marriage

And I have to say you're really getting the hang of this Slaxl thing. Come over to the dark side, you know you want to join us  

7 hours ago, killuridols said:

This is for @Andy14

Let's talk about this bulge

Not just that bulge, also that lack of gut and that sweet face and that cute smile. That's a really good picture of him.

Between pictures like this and videos like the one @Andy14 posted, I'm starting to find Axl hot again

@Mandy123 My favorite Duff hair style is practically all of them lol. The only one I don't like much is when he had that really short hair in the late 90s (?). And of course when his hair was starting to fall out and break off, shortly before his pancreas exploded.

My all time favorite is probably simply the fluffy blond 80s mop of hair though.

Especially when his hair was sticking up in every direction like here:

It was so adorable lol.

I also liked it when he had those black strands in his hair:

But yeah, Duff still has pretty great hair.

And he's the only one in that band who still has great hair.

Someone mentioned karma earlier and it's like karma decided to bless Duff with luscious locks for his entire life as a reward for being such a lovely human being.

Meanwhile, Axl and Slash were punished with hair loss for being assholes.

Jury is still out on Izzy. He would have to take his hats off for once to accurately judge that issue

2 hours ago, giuls said:

I'm pretty sure it's standard for them to dispose of gifts sent at the house, it could be everything so i guess it's safer just to throw everything away but yes, this is pretty creepy and cringey 

Yeah. I mean I'm not against people writing and reading fan fiction, not at all, but I think sending it to the people you write about crosses the line into serious creepiness and it's cringey, yes.

27 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

Thats so weird.

Do you think Izzy invited GNR band members to his wedding?

Well they all have a tendency not to show up at each other's weddings, so even if he had invited them, they probably wouldn't have come

19 minutes ago, Epson said:

The title of the thread should be changed to GNR WoMen's discussion. Our rights are being violated.

Says our nr. 1 lurker here

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

You better...

lol, well Andrei... he could help us, right? but he won't because we've trashed on him and his friends.... we'll have to resort to other things. I'd love to join you in Europe but I will probably end up in bankrupt after November! I'll try to track them down in Buenos Aires. I can't promise success though

wtf are you talking about? What is DA?

Who's that creep? Is it my grandmother? Because she's that type, you know?

I have another creepy story to tell about someone that we all know.... but I'll leave it for out meetup in Europe

But he doesn't know what our pretty faces actually look like, so when he sees us, he won't know that we're the bitches from the Women's Thread

Yes, I meant deviantart, sorry. The place where all that fan art that was recently posted here came from. There's also some pretty badly written fan fiction on there. And no it was not your granny  Although I can't say that for sure, but I guess it was just a random deviantart user, most likely a teenage girl.

Anyway, speaking of Renee and weddings, I just remembered another gift Axl gave to Slash @SerenityScorp @Andy14

Apparently Axl gave Slash this snake as a wedding gift. Andy, you were right about Axl giving useless random crap as presents. Because a fake snake? As a wedding gift?! Yep, totally useless

Also mentioned here in this article:

Also, while looking for that fake snake pic, I came across some more pictures of Renee and Slash, and I'm sorry, but...

It's kinda like looking at Slash with a female Axl. That long red hair, the pale skin, the cheekbones when smiling, some of the fashion choices... I can't unsee it.

(I think we briefly talked about this before even in this thread, right @nonok?

Coincidence? I think not

(And yes, I just turned an ex-wife post into a Slaxl post. Go, me! )

4 hours ago, killuridols said:

@Lumikki 

I will put you on ignore until this page fills up so I don't have to look at those cringeworthy pictures with that terrible woman. You're not funny at all. 

Luckily for you, I don't have many more pictures of Sasha lying around that I could post. (Or do I? )

3 hours ago, Frey said:

WTF? Teaching them to harrass kindergarten girls? What a bitch.

I wouldn't be surprised if these poor kids turn out completely messed up, like a lot of celebrity kids. They're spending way too much time around crazy awful people.

I'm kind of worried about how they're going to turn out as well, but time will tell I guess...

3 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Let's hope he was there at least with Slash . He's just killing the time before he gets to meet us...then he'll never forget

When he comes to central Europe I need to form a gang with @Lumikki to chase him whenever he goes lol. In case Lumikki stops posting the creepy pictures of course 

Don't worry, I don't generally carry creepy Sasha pictures around with me when I'm out and about Plus, I'm good at stalking chasing people around. I did manage to track down Grandpa Angus and Axl after all

18 minutes ago, killuridols said:

@Lumikki is to blame for this whole shit going on right now. She opened the can of worms and left us lost here, in this public toilett

 

I hope she comes back to her senses and gangs up with you to chase Axl, but after seeing what I've seen today, she may end up chasing Andrei

HOW DARE YOU!!! I'd rather jump off a cliff than go after that sleazeball Andrei

36 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Axl and Slash should really read this thread, I can imagine them staring at the fanart pictures 

Not fan art, but I know that someone once sent some terrible Slaxl fan fiction to Axl.

Yes, really

And it gets worse. It was a fan fic about one of them dying, and the other one was at the funeral crying and full of regrets about the lifes they'd had.

How do I know this? Because while I was klicking around on DA recently I came across a conversation in the comments where that one girl proudly told the other girl that she'd sent her story to Axl's address.

It was an old conversation, it apparently happened a couple of years ago, but ever since I read that, I've been wondering now if this is maybe what caused Axl's "One of us would have to die before there'd ever be a reunion" comment.

(But more likely Beta found it in the mail and threw it away. Hopefully. But maybe she also showed it to him )

56 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

Thanks foe sharing these lovely photos of Slash & Meegan. What an adorable couple. 

 

How I wish we have current ones like these, of our Axl. 

With Sasha. NOT! 

39 minutes ago, killuridols said:

shut your mouth, seize your tongue or I kill you!! 

vade retro Satan! 

Someone said "adorable" couple pictures with Sasha?

(This one always cracks me up. The way she's clinging to him. And Axl's awful shirt )

And of course we also can't forget these classics:

I apologize in advance for all the nightmares this post will cause

17 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Talk about Axl gift to Slash, what gift tht He gave to Slash on the old days?

14 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

I think it's cute that the first thing that came to his mind after he'd been given the shirt was Slash . The same thing during one of the first shows when Slash was playing WYWH and Axl interrupted him just to show him the t-shirt he was wearing. 

Btw. What were the presents Axl gave Slash in the past? I've never known...

And I'm also wondering about this year's present from Axl. I bet it was something completely crazy 

I think it's cute as well. Shows Slash is on his mind a lot And yeah, that moment when he just had to show him his shirt during the concert was cute as well.

As for gifts, the first thing that comes to my mind is the dinosaur rocking horse (rocking dinosaur? lol) that appears in the Estranged video. Axl gave that one to Slash (not sure anymore if it was as a birthday present or just because he wanted to give Slash something. Axl likes giving gifts for no reason apparently, according to various people. He's generous like that )

And Slash has kept it all these years. It had a special place in the house he used to live in with Perla and no one was allowed to touch it or use it or something.

I think it's so sweet that Slash kept that thing all these years and was protective about it.

I've read about other stuff as well, but can't remember it right now.

Slash also gave Axl a straitjacket once for his birthday. But then Axl got pissy at Slash about something and he left the jacket somewhere for Slash to find it, basically saying fuck you to him.

LOL at Axl's comment at the T-shirt. Seems like he knows about Slash's love for nuns (does that mean he also follows Slash on Instagram? ) Maybe they can bond with each other over their love for nun porn

@Andy14 I didn't like the red shirt, simply because I don't like the color red

@giuls I'd bet my money on that being Melissa's gift to Slash, but I wouldn't put it past Axl either...

Speaking of, anyone wanna speculate what Axl gave Slash for his birthday? I'm pretty sure he did give him something, because Axl has always liked giving gifts and has given Slash birthday presents in the past. So... any ideas? (Other than the "stroking his serpentine" suggestion from the concert thread )

To sum up, here's all the crap we've seen so far that Slash got for his birthday (I wish he'd show us what Axl got him ).

The leather jacket is cool, but between all the cakes and candy, Slash's gut, moobs and bingo wings are only going to get bigger. I was gonna say he should get Axl to help him with that, but no, we don't want that either. Feed it to the kids

Also saw this. It's cool to see Slash being a good step dad. And it's amusing to me that Slash gets to deal with teenage girls now as well. It's not just Duff anymore lol.

9 hours ago, Juliette said:

at Philadelphia´s gig, and another that I don´t remember now. Much people listened.

I think Axl loves Slash but is not reciprocated. (Axl cuddled and tickled , not Slash).

Okay, as various other people have already pointed out to to you, this is just not true. Axl NEVER said anything like that.

And you also stated that Axl wasn't invited to the dinner as if you somehow knew this for sure.

Please stop stating your own opinions and the things you misunderstand as if they were facts.

Other people who are less knowledgable than us about all the GnR happenings going on (or even some idiots from Alt Nation and places like that) are going to read what you write and believe it, and that's how stupid rumors and unnecessary drama starts. And that's the last thing we need.

And speaking of birthdays, here's the video of Axl wishing Slash a happy birthday. Pretty underwhelming tbh, but at least Slash was smiling and seemed happy about it?

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

Here's a cute picture of Axl before the show from yesterday's GNR video. All the guys here approve 

Awww, look at that smile! He still has the cutest smile I've ever seen

20 hours ago, killuridols said:

Yeah, I remember RS writing that and I wonder how come they didn't make the association before... I think he got depressed mostly because of Slash than the other bitch  (or at least that's what I hope)

Well, there it is the proof to how bad things were back then and how even friends got trapped in the middle of the Axl/Sluff drama. No wonder why Sebastian was so happy in the Vegas show  He must have thought to himself "finally I don't have to deal with these school girls anymore!"

I hope he got depressed mostly because of Slash. Steph Seymour doesn't deserve Axl wasting so much time moping about her.

Yeah, it must be exhausting to be caught in the middle of stupid drama like that. I don't envy him that position.

9 hours ago, Blackstar said:

People with such back story together can't be just business partners, but, to be realistic, they can't be best buddies again so easily. Slash and Duff, apart from their families, have built relationships with other people, made friends, and Axl has his entourage, which is another world. Axl can't be a "friend of the family" from one day to the other and maybe he would feel uncomfortable.

But even back then, post AFD, I doubt that they were always together in such occasions. Iirc Duff went back to LA alone to get married during a tour.

Anyway, I hope there will be some nice moments tonight.

Now that you mention that show, Sorum (btw, I'm glad I'm not the only one that doesn't like him) said in the BBC documentary that Axl didn't want to play in that stadium when he heard about the thousands of people that were murdered there by the Pinochet regime and that was the reason he was late. This is very interesting, I'd never heard it before. I hope Axl's reaction was out of sensitivity and not because of new age nonsense about "negative energy" etc.

This reminds of Duff saying he felt sad about his daughters never having met Axl. Duff's and Slash's kids grew up together and all seem to get along well with each other and the guys are probably Uncle Slash and Uncle Duff to them. In a way, Duff and Slash belong to one big family now, and Axl just... doesn't. It's sad, he could have been the kids' Uncle Axl. Hopefully they can work on that, since at least Duff seems to care about this kind of thing.

The story about no one from the band showing up for Duff's wedding always made me sad as well. Like what the hell, dudes. Same with no one visting Duff in the hospital (except for Axl).

And yeah, the Sorum hate seems strong in this thread Can't say I mind either lol.

13 hours ago, EricA said:

Hello everybody...can't remember the backroundstory to this pic whether it was honest or ironic, but it fits to "where is axl" (on the phone) as well as "business partners"

Okay, I'm assuming this is photshopped as well. But has anyone ever actually seen the original picture?

I've only ever seen this version

23 hours ago, giuls said:

Me too, especially because if IIRC Axl said he didn't really have any friends who were women, so...

Slaxl for me, i love them all but Slaxl is my number 1 

@Lumikki yes, about Scott i was like: "how the tables have turned" 

Axl: "I don't really have friends who are women.."

Also Axl: "Sometimes your friends are your lovers or have been at one time."

....

Yessss, it's Slash's birthday now! At least where I am. Hoping for some cute moments at the show today @Andy14 already made the perfect birthday post, but here's some more past Slash birthdays...

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

VR didn't happen for Baz because the times were not the best for any of them. Slash knew Axl would go nuts if Baz joined VR. I think Baz said that when Axl heard the rumors he sent him a text message asking if it was true and I can imagine Axl on the phone being like "ARE YOU JOINING VELVET REVOLVER, ARE YOU FUCKIN' OUT OF YOUR MIND?? COME HERE NOW, WE'RE GOING ON TOUR TOGETHER! "

I think Axl would have been so jealous and upset if Baz had joined VR, probably would have felt like Slash and Duff were stealing his friend away from him and like Baz was betraying him. I can totally see Axl dragging Baz along with him everywhere just so he doesn't get a chance to change his mind and drift over to Slash and Duff It's like some awful high school drama

And thanks for Baz quotes, hadn't read those before. It's always interesting to hear Baz talk about Axl.

As for the index, I think that would be a good idea as well. I'd be willing to help with that. But I need to go to sleep before I think some more about that issue.

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

I can see the topics: Angus in Wonderland - Izzy and the Chamber of Secrets - The Lord of Lame Jokes - Fifty Shades of Ginger - The Strange Case of Dr.Rose and Mr.Hudson - Dexter and Dijon in Boots - The Cat Whisperer - Fashion Police: Axl edition - "Ass" you like it

But I'm not witty enough to come up with topic titles like that

Also, "The Lord of Lame Jokes" should be Duff's official title from now on

3 hours ago, dgnr said:

Too much? 
Also visit this page for a whole new level of Slaxl porn: http://www.deviantart.com/tag/slaxl?offset=67
 

Confession time: I once drew some Slaxl fan art for a friend's birthday (at her request) when I was 16 or something. Nothing you'll find on deviantart though, I just sent it to her and never posted it anywhere.

Also, this thread has completely ruined me. I just clicked around on there and came across this picture. And the only thing I could think was "Hey, Axl's wearing @Andy14's favorite outfit there!"

I like these of Izzy and Axl though. They're cute.

And these:

@Andy14 Those gifs You're a treasure. I can't say I find Axl all that attractive in that China Exchange thing, but I do love his facial expressions. Always have and always will.

@killuridols Those handholding pictures/gifs too Damn, so cute. I love it when people (meaning actual friends of his, not just random wannabe "models" or Andrei/Nur Khan types) are being affectionate with Axl. And I think he secretely enjoys it too, no matter how much he may say otherwise.

That Baz/Duff kiss is cute too. Didn't know Baz and Duff were close.

2 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

I think the bottom line is, they accept each other even with all of the other's idiosyncracies..the mark of a true friendship. plus, no history of being jilted/rejected bedmates, I mean bandmates 

And it's totally true too. Technically they're all bedmates, judging by the stories we know of from their wilder days. And in all kinds of combinations. It's an entire band full of bedmates

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

That's right. And I also think that, even though some people dislike the way Baz is, that thing they dislike is exactly what has made it possible for him to keep a friendship with Axl. He seems more forgiving and loosen than Axl. Meaning that probably after a fight or arguement, he will be the first to call the other person back.

Haha, don't know about rejected bedmates but I know he had to pick sides when the whole Axl/Slash crap was very intense. It must have been hard for him, he said in an interview that it was difficult to talk to one camp, then the other because they all got mad at him for talking to the other camp and viceversa!

Yes, I agree. Baz' personality would be majorly exhausting for me and I'd probably want to shove him out of the door if I had to spend too much time around him, but he does seem pretty easy-going regarding these things. He seems like a person who doesn't hold grudges, and who tends to get along well with everyone.

Part of me wishes he'd have become the singer for VR. I mean it nearly happened and I think I would have liked VR much more with Baz instead of Scott Weiland. But then again, if he'd really become VR's singer, the whole re-igneted Baz and Axl friendship wouldn't have happened. Which would have been sad, because I agree that an easy-going, cheerful and affectionate person like Baz is good for Axl to have around, considering that Axl tends to be more moody and over-thinks things and stuff.

And yeah, I said he looked like an angel lol. Or maybe like an elf straight out of Lord of the Rings. I get what you're saying, I feel the same way if I'm just looking at pictures, but then I see him in videos and he opens his mouth and all illusions of innocence are immediately shattered

53 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Man, this whole show is so much PORN...

Like, seriously, there's no way, no way in burning hell, those two didn't end up in bed after or before this show and actually the whole year

No one gets unscathered out of that. Really. Deny it all you want, Axl and Slash, but any human being who is not a virgin knows what happens with all that was going on there... 

Well, I for one hope you're right.   Did Marc Canter by chance film other things besides the shows as well? I'd pay a lot of money for that.

9 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

 ? Which show is this?

24:28 - 24:59 

This has to be the longest Slaxl cuddle / Slaxl moment taped on video in existence  So sweet. And hot.

Btw, @killuridols no need for the with the Pam scene The more I look at it, the more it seems to me like Axl was just imagining she was Slash, going by the way he keeps staring at Slash throughout the entire thing Or maybe he just wanted Slash to watch him, he seems to be into that as we've learned from this thread

6 hours ago, giuls said:

Axl staring at Slash while grinding on that girl does things to me, it reminded me of the "your friends are lovers sometime" Axl's quote

It does things to me too. All these Slaxl gifs and videos do things to me... And yeah that quote. Always wondered who he was thinking about when he said that...

1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

It looks like we should vote for the best couple lol. Axl+Slash, Axl+Duff, Axl+Baz, Slash+Duff, Slash+Baz haha 

Yes, we definitely should lol. But it has to be a poll where you can vote for multiple options, because I can't decide between

Axl and Slash

Axl and Duff

Axl and Izzy

Slash and Duff

They're all so adorable together

14 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Of course I'd known it before that he still looks great, but now I had the time to really examine his face without the hat, glasses or Slash  (well I know we aren't back in the 1980s when Axl and Slash were glued to each other ) and I found myself just staring at him and forgetting what I wanted to do 

Hey, the way Axl looks at Slash....

And that picture. I love it. Axl is so cute there. And the fact that he's looking at Slash there with hearts in his eyes makes it even better

49 minutes ago, Frey said:

This thread is messing with my head. Because after reading this entire thread I could actually for real see there being some truth to the whole Axl and Slash got it on at some point thing. 

Christ  This whole thing is like a bad, gay, soap opera.

We've corrupted you, bro! MUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA!

And yes, bad gay soap opera. The constant stream of entertaining drama, both old and new,  is one of the main reasons I've hung around for so long. I don't watch any telenovelas or read any trashy novels or stuff like that, but I'm always there for GnR drama

@KMS Welcome! If you enjoy all the non-"Grandpa Angus approved" posts and comments, you'll fit right in here

@Andy14 It's so good to see such comments even from people like ACDC fans. He's really winning everyone over this year. I'm so happy for him and so proud, he's just doing so well, it's amazing (and here we go again with the kindergarten teacher attitude, but I can't help it )

1 hour ago, Angeles_ said:

those nights...

Those were the days

And while that second Slaxl gif is obviously amazing, I think the first gif is interesting too...

I mean, is it just me or is Axl looking at Slash and watching him the entire time he's fooling around with Pam?

Anyway, some more/better quality Baz pics I came across:

And this has zero to do with GnR, but I also came across these and they're just too beautiful not to post:

That hair, those lips, those cheekbones... Young Baz was such a stunningly beautiful creature. Like an angel or something. Also I just found a way to make this relevant to GnR lol: Remember that story Baz told about Izzy's brother ("Joe" according to Axl) coming up to him and going "Look at you, you're such a pretty boy, dude!"? And then Baz hit him.

I mean obviously Izzy's brother was being a douche, but he wasn't wrong You can't get much more pretty boy-ish than Baz was. The only musician from back then who could have fought him for that title was Axl lol.

2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I've finally found something to disagree with you. I entirely, completely and totally disagree about Out Ta Get Me and It's So Easy   OTGM is a simple rock 'n' roll song, but imo it's one of their defining songs in the early years; it's representative of the band's spirit and particularly of Axl's rebellious soul, and this Axl is never boring to me. I want it to be in the setlist forever, or at least as long as Axl has this Ritz look in his eyes when he sings it.

ISE: it goes without saying that I can't relate to the misogynistic lyrics, and in its original country-like form it would be a stupid song, but the guitars and the vocals are so raw, fierce and dark that make it explosive. For me it's the song that, along with Jungle, distinguished the most GnR from those silly LA hairmetal bands. I want it permanently in the setlist as well.

Brownstone: I like it, but I wouldn't mind if it was in rotation with another rocker, Reckless Life for example or one from the Illusions (Pretty Tied Up, Bad Obsession, Dust 'n' Bones).

I don't mind PC and Sweet Child. PC is a classic and it's a good closer for a show; the problem with it is the current live version. SCOM will always be there inevitably, although I bet that even Axl is sick of it. The same for NR.

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As for the rest:

Jungle, Nightrain and Civil War should stay as they are, Michelle could be replaced or rotated with something else, Coma could be rotated with Locomotive and Breakdown.

The covers: I could do without LALD and especially KOHD, but they are crowds' favorites. KOHD should be shortened though and make space for another song. The Seeker doesn't bother me; they seem to enjoy playing it and after all it's a 2 minute long song. I like Duff's spot and I'd like one more from TSI.

Slither/Other VR or Slash songs: I hope they'll play at least one of them. Not so much for the songs themselves, but because the symbolism would be huge.

 

Hah!

But actually we're not disagreeing all that much, because I like the things you mentioned about ISE and OTGM as well. I love Axl's singing in ISE, it's fierce and I like the deeper voice he uses, but that's the only thing I like about it. Musically, ISE just doesn't grip me in any way and the lyrics do the rest. Axl's awesome singing is just not enough to save the song for me lol. I also get what you're saying about OTGM and I agree, but again it's not enough to make me like the song as a whole. I don't even hate OTGM, I just don't love it, I think it's kind of boring musically and I wouldn't be sad to see it go from the set list. Brownstone I neither like nor dislike. Like I said earlier, it's just... there.

I guess if I really wanted to I could find something I like about nearly any GnR song (they are my favorite band after all ), but it's easier to just say "I don't like that song" than to go into details like that.

As for VR/Slash songs, I actually like quite a few of those, but yeah, the symbolism is my main reason for wanting them there. It would be such an awesome gesture on Axl's part, especially considering how dutifully Slash and Duff have been playing all the CD songs. I'm holding out hope for the show on Slash's birthday.

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

lol yeah my first album was UYI 2, then UYI 1, then AFD. In that order.

I wasn't so young as you to get the Greatest Hits first, lol, but I had no idea about the existance of AFD until I got into the band and learned more about them. Then I bought the other albums.

Being sick of the old songs have to do with what kind of fan you've been all these years. Fair weather fan is going about all of this because they quit the band before the band exploded themselves. They never listened or cared about them anymore, so it's logical that they act and feel like all of this is new.

Well, it's not.

And I have not been waiting 25 years for this reunion. Im not the kind to get stuck in a spot and wait until destiny decides for me. No way, I moved on, I got into the nuGNR era. Didn't like a lot of things but at least it wasn't a dark place of nostalgia and delusion about what did not happen. CD came and I had mixed feelings. I had listened to the leaks first, then the album, the shows, it was all so confusing but I still hung around. So to make the drama story short, people like me are fed up of the AFD songs, we want something fresh, something new and I dont see how only a handful of songs from an album that was released under the name of GNR is too much of an annoyance in a setlist of 23 songs, which most belong to the AFD/UYI era.

Yeah, I've been following this band since I was 14, and I'm tired of most of the "classics". I was also around during that whole "waiting for CD" era and afterwards and compared to now, it was a dark time to be a GnR fan. But like you, I hung around and I feel a bit tired of everything by now, except for some CD songs and some UYI songs. And I'm really hoping for new music now that things finally seem to be going well again.

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

You are acting like Guns have many albums!

The problem with Guns and Appetite is, Appetite has a sort of paramountcy (for Guns) which would be unusual for other bands, but is loosely analogous to what Nevermind the Bollocks is for the Sex Pistols (an one album band to all intents and purposes). The reasons are manifold. Firstly, Guns are notoriously unprolific; they have - at best - five albums of original material, and even that is stretching things a bit considering Lies is little more than an Extended Player whereas Chinese is considered illegitimate by a sizable chunk of the fanbase. Consequentially, GN'R's albums have to work that bit harder than say, Stones albums do for The Rolling Stones; another way to put it would be to say, one single Guns album counts for more of what Guns inherently are, than bands with ten, twenty albums (many of them good and bad). Secondly, Guns, including Nugnr, have relied wholesale on Appetite for their setlists. Thirdly, the majority - not you obviously - regard it as, by far Guns N' Roses' greatest album.To then dislike it to such a level appears to me to be unusual in the extreme. Hating Appetite does not leave you with many other Guns albums, and to see GN'R life must be surely be something of a hideous endurance test (GN'R played eight Appetite songs at their last show)?

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said there, but it just doesn't really matter that much to me? When I get tired of the comparatively few GnR songs we actually have (and I am often tired of them, especially the so called "classics" like most of the AfD songs or November Rain etc), I just don't listen to them for a while. I take a step back from GnR fandom and just listen to something else. There's tons of other music out there that I enjoy. And I still hope we're going to get new music sooner rather than later.

And no, seeing GnR life is definitely not a hideous endurance test. I actually saw them life in 2006 and I enjoyed it greatly, even though it was only Axl and his hired hands (plus Izzy, thankfully). Hearing a song in concert is a different experience than listening to one while at home. I wouldn't listen to Paradise City in my everyday life, but it's a great song for closing the show and has a lot of energy life. It's fun. And out of the 8 Appetite songs you mention I love or at least sort of like half of them, so it's not like it's a big issue. Which leaves ISE, Brownstone and OTGM (and My Michelle sometimes). Even though I personally find them boring or might not like them (and wouldn't listen to them ordinarily), they don't much bother me during a show. When I saw these songs performed 10 years ago, I didn't like them much more than I do now, but so what? I still enjoyed watching Axl (and Izzy... and Sebastian Bach...) perform them. I enjoy just being in the moment, watching people, just the entire atmosphere. I even sang along with the songs and I still would for the most part. Ideally, I'd of course like to see these songs replaced with songs I actually like, but that's most likely never gonna happen, and I won't let a handful of songs ruin my concert going experience.

And I like a lot of songs from past eras too, especially the 70s and the 80s. But whether I like or don't like songs isn't much influenced by the contexts or cultural situations these songs were written in, it's more of a case-by-case basis of my personal feelings and associations towards a particular song.