Lumikki

5 hours ago, tiutso said:

I got struck by a sudden thought just now: a lot of pics Slash posts don't have signatures on them and he never posts credits to the creators. How much content has he actually used without referring to the source, just straight up relocating it?

A lot I'd guess. Slash would be dragged to hell and back on Tumblr as well for just re-posting art like that without giving the source/crediting

5 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Show up to kill me 

Don't believe everything you see, I photoshopped it 

Slash dresses her to make her look like Axl lol. If she dyes her hair ginger we will all know where it comes from 

 

But I'm sure Axl secretely really loves all the Slaxl (and other) gifs you create He should give you an award.

Oh yeah. Just waiting for Meegan to dye her hair red. The day she does will be a hilarious one

5 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

- Theres a video tht record Axl room?

- Right frgot about tht

- So, after All Slash Wives kinda looks like Axl (hair N' personality), Since Meegan didnt have same hair colour or His personality, He wants Meegan to dress same like Axl now 

- No, Elliot Maynard just said that Axl put the magic sculpture he gave him next to his bed. Here's the thread with the video: Creepy old fraud

- I like to think Axl sometimes stayed over at Izzy's place when he wanted/needed to get away from home (or after they'd caused some trouble around Lafayette ). I don't know, sleeping over at your friend's house and chatting/doing stupid stuff long into the night is just such a typical, but sweet and fun childhood/teenage thing to do, and I like the idea that he did that too. Not sure how common this is with guys though, compared to girls.

- Clearly

5 hours ago, killuridols said:

I still dont have a clue what you're talking about  but those gifs you posted... what a fucking racist ass 

wow. Really, just wow. 

All the young models yucking at him is what he gets for having said those things before.

Nur Khan and Andrei have been around for quite some time so it seems he likes them and enables them 

He probably is pretty much like them and we just refuse to see it. I really doubt he'd hang out with people he dislikes. We know how he reacts to the ones he dislikes so I guess we will have to man up and admit there's a part of him that must identify or agree or sympathize with what Khan and Gillott do. As awful as it sounds. It's the sad truth 

Axl hasn't been insightful and intellectual and deep for a long time. While some lyrics and music from CD are really good and still show who he used to be, I think he has changed a lot since the 90s and we haven't seen him or heard him in any insightful interview since then. We don't know how he thinks now. China Exchange was not very insightful to be honest  Just a little bit. Not much for us to evaluate if he has evolved as a person or become more of a jerk.

We need a new album in lyrics written recently in order to find out where he's standing with all this shit. We refuse to see it because it hurts but I think his actions are showing us who he is and even if his face is the worst in the pics with models, maybe that's what we should read from them. That he still despises women and only has one use for them. Pretty much like the lyrics to ISE.

Lol yeah, I can imagine Izzy wanting to slap him somewhere in the background. Stuff like this is why I don't buy Duff's nice little explanation for OIAM for example. Slash always tried to play it down as well. But Izzy always was just pissed off about it and didn't hide it, and if you read some of his quotes he also didn't hide the fact that Axl actually was pretty racist, homophobic etc.

As for the Khan, Andrei etc issue. Well, that's a pretty bleak point of view. I don't know. I feel like fucking Yoda for saying this, but Axl just doesn't give me the same creepy malevolent feeling I get from these other people? I guess you could say he has a much better ~aura~ surrounding him than they have . Okay, I'll stop with the Yoda talk now, it's not rational, but I can't help it. I usually just tend to go with what my instincts tell me in matters like that and Axl has never struck me as particularly nasty. More like frustrating, messed up in the head a bit, with a ton of issues, but not evil or rotten to the core.

But yes, this is why we need new in-depth interviews, new songs, new everything. I also want to get a better idea where his head is at when it comes to certain topics and issues and it's hard with him never saying anything.

4 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Has Axl even got any friends? Ones he doesn't pay? 

Maybe he is a horrible to the core person. 

Slash, Duff and Izzy again these days? Uuuhm Marc Canter and Michelle Young in the past? Craig Duswalt and wife (if they're still on speaking terms after the book)? Did he pay Del James for anything in all these years he was in hiding? Sante D'orazio maybe (though that guy strikes me as a creep as well) and Sebastian Bach? Though the last two kinda profit from him financially as well.

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

I don't really feel for the models, they are young, they have no interest in any of these guys and they all will pass. What is sad is that Axl has to do this and I still can't find the purpose. He probably does "score" one or two of them, but most probably not, in terms of them being paid to be there. That detail is the main reason to feel sorry for him. None of those girls would "shag" him for free; maybe that's what he wants: to go straight to the point, no questions asked, no romantic involvement, no post sex "obligations".

Yup.

Seems she wasn't in the L.A. shows 

I don't understand this whole thing at all. If he actually seemed to enjoy it, I'd say it was just typical rock star stuff and he's taking advantage of his fame an money. But the thing is he never seems happy in these situations, and I don't think that's just our wishful thinking. He always looks somewhere between extremely bored and downright miserable.

I don't know, maybe it's like you said and he just puts up with it for the easy no obligations sex, or maybe he feels he has to do that kind of stuff to keep up the rock star image or something dumb like that. It's weird.

I'm glad Sasha seems to be around less these days though.

2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Lumikki I can't stomach the Nur Khan bloke, I really can't. And Andrei. They make my skin crawl looking at them. Khan has a pic of him hand in hand with a girl who looks about twelve  it's sick!!

But what does it say about Axl that he hangs around with these people? He must like them. Is he like them? Fucking horrible to the core?! 

I don't really know anything about the guy, but he's one of these people you can tell are nasty just by looking at them. And stories like this one and others I've read on here seem to confirm that.

I agree it's worrying that Axl hangs out with these people, but I don't think Axl is horrible to the core. He comes across as way too sweet, child-like, too easily upset and too caring for that to me. It's one of these strange contradictions about him again that I don't really get. My best guess is that Axl's a horrible judge of character (might be related to him apparently being really naive according to some people).

Another guy I can think of who also oozed deceitfulness and distrustworthiness is Yoda's husband, Elliot Maynard (well and Yoda herself I guess, but she mostly just looked like a harmless old lady, easier to fall for that). And Axl was very close with both of the Maynards for years. Even has that one magical crystal sculpture Elliot Maynard gave him right next to his bed according to the video @Frey once made a thread about.

For some reason, Axl seems to constantly be surrounded by creepy, scheming, predatory men (and a few women). Nur Khan, Andrei, Elliot Maynard, Doug Goldstein, Irving Azoff, Sharon Maynard, Suzy London, ... Even Fernando and Del James are kinda shady. Usually it takes Axl a long ass time until he seems to buy a clue and gets rid of these people. Goldstein, Azoff and I think Elliot Maynard are history now (I think what tipped Axl off about Elliot Maynard might have been that the guy just got himself another (and much younger) little Asian woman after Yoda died and made her into a new Yoda who also had magical abilities of course ). We can only hope the same happens to Andrei and Nur Khan soon.

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I always thought Izzy was the coolest member, but I'd grab myself an Axl if I could. Even now. Even though i think he's a pig at the minute ? 

I'd grab myself all of them if I could (minus Steven). They can be my harem. Just to paint my house and stuff like that of course #DuffJokeAlarm

3 hours ago, starlight said:

Yep and when a girl who went backstage with Axl talked about him speaking with her about Slash and not fucking Andrei said it didn't happen ahah

Andrei is a lying bastard. I'm pretty sure this story did happen as the girl told it. It fit too perfectly with what we know and as a casual fan she couldn't have gotten it so right otherwise.

40 minutes ago, tiutso said:

Your Fave Is Problematic? It was a pretty famous blog a couple of years ago, where mods posted profiles on famous people with all of the stuff they have done/said that can be considered 'problematic' so as to ~bring awareness~ but really just encouraging distancing from the people that have been called out.

One of the most eyeroll-worthy Tumblr blogs I can think of. And yeah, they weren't even very thorough. I could write a way better account of all the ~problematic~ shit Axl has done and I don't even feel like dragging Axl (or anyone) Tumblr style for things they said 30 years ago.

2 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Don't forget when He always share a bedroom with Slash before He live with Erin  Never share a bed with Anybody than Slash, Not Duff, Steven, even Izzy. 

Ooooh RIGHT Good point! We actually do have proof of Axl and Slash sharing a bedroom (maybe even sharing a bed- I often did when sleeping over at friends' houses ).

But zero proof of Axl and Sasha doing the same. It's like @Frey said- more proof of Slaxl exists than for Axl/Sasha

(Although I think Axl and Izzy might have shared a bedroom or a bed a couple of times as well. I imagine Axl would sometimes have stayed over at Izzy's place when they were young and still living in Lafayette)

2 hours ago, giuls said:

Obviously he reminiscences with Slash and Axl is grumpy in the photos with the models because they interrupt.

The photo @SerenityScorp posted in the unofficial media thread seems from that night to me, Meegan was there, i wonder if Axl and her talk about their hat passion.

I can't help but notice that Meegan seems to be dressed pretty Axl-ish in general there. That's an Axl hat, paired with a fuzzy black jacket (looks just like the thing Axl wore during the St. Louis incident) and her wrist is full of beads and bangles and crap, just like Axl's (reminds me of Axl during the Herb Ritts shoot especially).

Hmm....

Wow, so many intelligent non-mercenary models

47 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Do any of them hot girls really wanna shag a fat ginger? Do any of them get to?

They could shut their eyes and think of 1988. 

Didn't you see that one model's comment: "Axl Rose I love you for all the conversation and drinks you are my hero ☠ "

So once again, it seems they were just chatting. Remember, these are intelligent models, so the conversation must surely be scintillating

Or more likely, Axl was just sitting around again, talking their ears off about Slash. (Does he still do that when Slash is there as well? Might get awkward )

(But yes, I'm curious as well if Axl actually gets to shag any of these models. I mean why would they? To them he really is just a fat old ginger guy they don't know shit about and there's not much to be gained by shagging him. He doesn't seem to fall for 20 year old gold-diggers (thank god for small mercies). Not even bragging rights. Most of their peers wouldn't even know who he is and the rest would be grossed out.)

8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Axls been doing so well this tour, and then this lol. I thought it's not so bad, they're just throwing a big party as there were quite a lot of other celebs there that night too. But then I saw a pic of Nur Khan  I can't bear him and the Andrei dude. Make me feel sick!! I checked Khans website and he owns all the top clubs and regularly has the top bands on. He's even got pics of Iggy at his club. Nooooo, not Iggy too

Nur Khan is the worst. That guy gives me chills. He practically oozes evilness and deceitfulness. Compared to him even Andrei The Slimy Creep looks like a better person.

15 hours ago, Frey said:

That is a fake site that creates fake articles about celebrities 

Axl is not dating Sasha. She's an escort/friend/fuck buddy. 

During the time Axl supposedly "dated" Sasha he has actually dated and fucked countless other women. And even Fernando has a room in Axl's house. And the bird poop cleaning lady probably does as well. It doesn't mean anything.

I'm more inclined to believe that Axl and Slash actually used to have some kind of thing going on (like so many here wish lol) than I'm inclined to believe that Axl and Sasha are in a serious relationship. 

6 hours ago, killuridols said:

There's absolutely no way in this world Sasha has any "keys" to Axl's mansion. The only ones with that priviledge must be Beta, Vanessa and Fernando.

It would be such a risk a woman like Sasha (or anyone like her), who actually lives in London, to give her "keys" to Axl's home.

Besides Axl's house is not like our mortal houses . That place is never "alone". He has a team of servants living in permanently. It is a mansion, not a 2 room apartment. It needs constant maintainance, the gardens, the pool, the tennis court, the animals, etc. And since he must have lots of very expensive objects, jewelry and luxury cars, there must be a surveillance and security system installed all over the place, with cameras and monitors inside and outside the house.

No one enters that main gate just by ringing the bell.

Also, his main door doesn't have keys FFS . It must be one of those modern systems with a code or fingerprints you gotta enter.

I can't stop loling at the image of a regular "key" for any door in Axl's mansion

THIS and THIS.

And the fact that Sasha has a room in Axl's house actually speaks against her and Axl being in a serious relationship in the traditional sense imo. Why? Because most actual couples tend to sleep in the same bedroom. Yes, some couples do sleep apart for whatever reasons, but statistically speaking, most of them share a bed. And Axl and Erin seemed to sleep in the same room/bed as well, so I don't think Axl is opposed to that practice on principle or something.

Sasha has her own bed in one of the many rooms in Axl's mansion. I think that room is probably a guest room for when she stays over at Axl's place.

6 hours ago, sanity_lost said:

I just got through all the Slash/Axl love child talk and pictures...

You all are amazing and brightened my day which was going pretty badly. Please keep on being amazing.

I'm glad to hear the silliness going on in this thread managed to cheer you up You should post here more, I often enjoy your posts in other threads!

55 minutes ago, NicDwolfwood said:

You Shouldnt be shocked. Remember these guys know Steven a long time. Slash knows him since they were both 13. They also know how much it means to him to even have a guest appearance here and there with them. Sure, Steven has a lot of faults, but so does everyone else, and all involved have done and said some shitty things in the past as well. So whatever Steven has said in the past is water under the bridge to them. They would be pretty petty to be upset at Steven for saying that they avoid him and they dont think he's cool. Thats nothing at all

Well I'm not actually all that shocked (that was more a figure of speech) because Axl/Slash/Duff all can be pretty nice, kind-hearted and decent guys if they want to. BUT I wouldn't have held it against them if they hadn't let Steven get involved in this at all. And I didn't mean just because of the stuff Steven whined about last year (I just used that as an indication that things between them still weren't good until very recently). Steven has caused all of them some trouble over the years and apart from that there are a million good reasons to be wary about including him, all of which have been elaborated by various people in this thread already. Basically I'll trust Axl/Slash/Duff's judgement on this one and if they don't feel comfortable doing anything more with Steven than they're doing now, I'll assume they have their reasons for that and I'm not gonna whine all the time about Steven being made the full-time drummer or whatever.

LOL thanks guys, glad you enjoy my disturbing photoshop creations. (And Arnold Schwarzenegger is a fellow Austrian, I just had to take this on lol).

22 hours ago, Frey said:

Slash's expression is the creepiest. He looks really proud of himself in a slimy kind of way 

I love this thread.

21 hours ago, Mararoyce said:

No, Slash looks like a proud PaPA!

I was aiming for proud Papa yes, but I'll admit it did turn out kinda creepy looking

20 hours ago, Andy14 said:

I just got home. I was helping a friend with a big event she was organizing. There was a local band that also played KOHD. No rasp, no reggae, no Axl. Boooring. 

@Lumikki  Where's Steven? Hope he isn't in the belly . But isn't it Slash who is pregnant? I think I'm lost in all this pregnancy stuff 

No idea where Steven is. A nurse at the hospital maybe. But the truth is I was just too lazy to look for pictures of Steven, especially since I don't have any lying around. This is also why Axl is the pregnant one here. Because I couldn't think of a fitting HQ picture of Slash looking surprised/shocked off the top of my head and didn't want to spend time searching for one, so I just took this one of Axl. Pure laziness. And they both looked pretty pregnant anyway in older pictures so it works either way :

2 hours ago, Andy14 said:

I can't believe the NITL summer tour is nearly over . But the following Axl DC thing raises several questions: 

Btw. What have I done that I can't stay logged? The forum's been kicking me out over the last 3 days or so. Someone doesn't like me 

It's a common problem, I've had it too. There's a thread about it here

As for Axl, I'm curious if Axl will dress like he did for the first part of the ACDC thing again (black jeans, duck shirt) or more like he did for GNR.

And I agree with @SerenityScorp Angus is Grandpa, he can give this relationship his blessing but nothing else 

18 hours ago, dgnr said:

I'm out of likes, because this shit always happens to me when my love Popcorn hits that holy stage...But I'll be back here - soon is the word - to give you two what you deserve.

Meanwhile share this gif between you two. For you @Lumikki it's because I almost fell from my chair when I saw your masterpiece    For you @Andy it's because OMG, I can't even put in words what this level of romance made to my heart 

I'll gladly take Dean Winchester as well  Mhmmm... Dean Winchester. Or Jensen Ackles. Whatever.

18 hours ago, Frey said:

Well, that's much better than a chestburster alien You're way nicer to Slash and Axl than me and @Rock Hopper lol

Kid would probably have less curly hair though. In my experience people who are only a quarter black (like theirs would be) mostly look white, with hair ranging from completely straight/wavy to curly/frizzy. Just look at Slash's actual children, their hair is straight as well.

I just googled mixed race redheads (there's quite a few out there, very striking look) and came across this.

That kid totally looks like the bizarro universe Slaxl lovechild. She's got Axl's face and coloring and Slash's curls and eyes

I can see it! The cheeks and eyebrows especially are very Axl-ish and the hair very Slash-like. Cute kiddo. (And much better than a chestburster. What have they done to deserve this? )

21 hours ago, Rickodez said:

I cringed hard after the video. Axl chooses models like he is at McDonalds or something like this, ''i want one of these, two of these, double of this...''

But his life, his rules.
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/08/20/guns-n-roses-concert-models-invites/

Christ   Can someone please make Andrei disappear?

And we're talking about gay leather dudes now? Uuuhmm... I have nothing to contribute to that topic except that it reminds me of the Eddie Trunk interview with Baz and Axl. They were laughing about Baz' "Balls to the wall" ring tone. A song by a German metal band called Accept that had a kind of gay reputation in the US. And they were saying something about "London leather boys" (another song by that band I think).

Oh yeah, and Axl told a story about Izzy being disturbed to find out that all these gay lyrics in Accept's songs were written by a woman.

If that is already disturbing to Izzy, he should never be allowed on the internet or he might be in for the shock of his lifetime I mean finding gay porn of himself and Axl (or Slash... or Duff...) has got to rank higher on the list of things that would give Izzy a heart attack than finding out some random band's gay-ish lyrics were written by a woman.

And yeah, Axl kinda used to dress like that. But still looked like a twink. And he somewhow magically made it an appealing combination.

7 hours ago, killuridols said:

well, trying to explain Slash pregnancy is going to get difficult if we get too technical and since I don't want to fall into the deep waters of "fan fic" I came up with the brushing up as a not-so-shocking-for-Frey explanation of the baby bump

Come to think of it, in all my years as a fan of this band, I've never seen fan fic where Axl gets knocked up. (I'm saying Axl because c'mon, it definitely would be Axl who gets knocked up in fan fic land )

And he would be the worst pregnant person ever - mood swings x a million

7 hours ago, killuridols said:

Baby is due on November 4th, River Plate stadium. I will be there to assist the new fathers and receive whatever comes out of that belly. It will probably be a mix of Axl & Slash, something like this:

 

WTF is this?! That shit is disturbing 

(And I'm glad you're gonna be their midwife and assists them with the birth )

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

Axl calling Slash daddy is not so bad He's a daddy already and he's gonna be again now

lol wut

I think Axl calling Slash daddy would be pretty bad. That's so not my thing   And he's gonna be a daddy again now? To whom? Axl?

25 minutes ago, RooSaa said:

When i first saw that pic i really wondered what those lines are on his belly. So those are in fact abs? How is that possible, that someone has abs and a gut at the same time?

Slash really doesnt seem to care about his body/appearance at all, even back in the days with the conspirators he went shirtless during PC, even though he didnt have a  perfect body at that time..

its weird in a way, as he always comes off as a shy person and people also stating that he is very shy when they meet him, talk to him, his friends, etc ... I guess being a shy person and being comfortable in your skin are two different pair of shoes?

btw does he has a scar from his belly button downwards?

Seem to be abs, yeah. Looks weird as hell though.

Slash's a bit shy yes, but he has zero shyness when it comes to his body, his sex life, and other things like that  Neither back in the day nor now...

Not that I know of. That's the first time I've noticed a line like that there. Never seen that in other shirtless pictures of him.

(Maybe it's a stretch mark. Pregnant people tend to get these )

3 hours ago, dgnr said:

Duff really, really needs to have an healthy talk with these boys 

This picture goes well with the last time we saw Axl shirtless

(And it looks like he didn't have the piercing anymore there, doesn't it @Andy14 ?)

Technically Axl was skinnier then than Slash is now, but I'm still waiting for Axl to show us some skin

But since Axl seems way more self-conscious about his body than Slash, we're probably gonna be waiting for a long time...

A little of Slash's "Don't give a fuck attitude" wouldn't hurt Axl. Body positivity and all that

5 hours ago, Frey said:

They're mainly horrible because they're dangerous. He can't really run in these things and every time he wears them he tends to slip and fall.

Last time he wore them he broke his fucking foot. This time he nearly fell on his ass again. If he can't walk and run around safely in these things (or if he's too clumsy to do so), then fucking get rid of them and stick to the sneakers. No one wants a repeat of the throne era or him breaking a hip or something.

Yes, THIS.  These boots need to go ASAP. He's too fucking clumsy for them. Or the boots are just really shitty and don't have good grip. But either way, they need to go I'm having visions of broken hips, femurs, tailbones, wrists,... as well

4 hours ago, giuls said:

Yes, i agree, i appreciate that it must be hard be close with someone with Axl's problems but Axl was the one that was abused and with mental health problem, it's true that Slash gets kinda irrational when Axl is concerned, the ICP thing is a prime example.

Love makes us irrational, I guess?

4 hours ago, Rock Hopper said:

What if he doesn't wear any undercrackers Killuridols will be

Axl and Duff have both mentioned their underwear sometimes, so I'm assuming they usually wear some (and we could see Axl's underwear a little when the wardrobe malfunction happened lol).

Slash doesn't own underwear, pyjamas, or anything else. Apparently he only has his every day and stage clothes.

(No one knows about Izzy. He is once again a mystery )

12 hours ago, Mararoyce said:

Thanks so much for that, I felt gutted when I read the posts. This is why they say 'never meet you idols'? Luckily we are all maternal and can see through Axl's pissy moods and forgive him ?

Nah, it wasn't that bad. Like I said, after he got over his little hissy fit, he was pleasant enough for the most part. I actually felt/feel kind of proud of him for pulling himself together like that and not throwing a tantrum/doing something stupid. I'm not sure he would have been able to do thes same in the 80s or 90s. I say it's a sign of progress Besides, it's Axl, and toddler-ish behavior isn't exactly shocking from him

12 hours ago, tiutso said:

Was searching for the tweet, got this instead 
https://www.ncscooper.com/axl-rose-reveals-he-is-transgender/

Couldn'cupcake my eyes any further back into my head, tbh.

WTF did I just read

Reminds me of this. Appears to be a scan of a German magazine article and the text in the scary font says "Axl was a girl!"

My whole life as a GnR fan I've wondered what the context of that quote was, and I've never found out My best guess (because of the font and the color scheme) is that it's from an article talking about what they dressed up as for Halloween or something and Axl maybe dressed up as a girl, but I really have no clue

10 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Great remark! There is also a line in Breakdown:

When I look around
Everybody always brings me down
Well is it them or me
Well I just can't see
But there ain't no peace to found
But if someone really cared
Well they'd take the time to spare
A moment to try and understand
Another one's despair
Remember in this game we call life
That no one said it's fair
....
I've come to know the cold
I think of it as home
When there ain't enough of me
To go around
I'd rather be left alone
But if I call you out of habit
I'm out of love and I gotta have it
Would you give it to me
If I fit you needs
Like when we both knew we had it
But now the damage's done
And we're back out on the run
Fun how ev'rything was Roses
When we held on to the Guns
Just because you're winnin'
Don't mean you're the lucky ones

I have the impression that this song is, even if not solely, Axl's view of the band's state at the time and of his feelings for the other members. Like Pretty Tied Up is Izzy's view. And these two songs are one after the other on the album.

He said it in general. In fact it's my mistake, because I confused two different interviews

The quote I had in mind is from a 2002 interview:

- But musically, at least, something good came out of Axl's temperamental side.
- Oh yeah. He's one of the most brilliant lyri­cists. He's got so much going on, and he's really an intelligent, amazing guy. It's just ... it depends how much of that [emotional bag­gage] you want to experience with him. A lot of it is stuff that not everyone in the band necessarily understands. So you try to under­stand, and you try to be a good friend and bandmate as you go through it. But when it negatively affects everything the band is doing, it's really hard to stand by him. I'm also interested to hear the new Guns record because so much has gone on since this whole thing started -I know he's got a lot to say.Even a lot of his stage performance is fueled by angst. And it's essential to have that sort of soul and energy for the music to come across as genuine; that's an integral part of rock 'n' roll. But it just depends on how far you want to take it. It's like, if you can get it all out of your system in tl1e two hours you're onstage, great-as long as you're onstage [laughs].

In the other interview, where he was asked about Oh My God, he said he didn't have an opinion

I have a bigger appreciation for this song now; I liked it (without being stunned), but I hadn't paid much attention to the lyrics.

Oh yeah, you're right about Breakdown, didn't even think of that. And I can definitely see it being about Axl's feelings about the other band members/the state of the band.

Re: the bolded. This is good example of something I've noticed before. Slash often paints a picture of himself being the main person in the band affected by (or having to deal with) Axl's manifold issues/emotional baggage. Which is curious considering you would expect Izzy to be that person (and Izzy in fact liked to think of himself as the "Axl whisperer" as well if you read some of his old quotes and actually was quite affected by all of Axl's issues if you believe him and Alan Niven). Duff has for the most part always come across as quite empathetic and patient with Axl as well. So who are the people in the band that don't understand what Slash is dealing with? Steven, Sorum, Dizzy? The first two definitely didn't have a lot of patience or understanding for Axl's issues, but it's not like they ever had a lot to say in the band.

I'm not saying Slash is wrong or lying (especially after Izzy left he really probably was the one person who had to bear the brunt of Axl's issues because Duff was too fucked-up by that point as well), I just always thought it was interesting, especially in light of all the "Axl and Slash were never that close and mostly just colleagues, not friends" rhetoric you often come across on here. Doesn't really fit with Slash painting himself as Axl's main emotional support (and a million other things that happened).

From stuff like this and also other things we know about like Axl spending entire nights talking to Slash about his feelings, Slash's intense dislike of Axl's family, the ICP incident (song about child abuse and fucked up families must be about Axl!), etc. I sometimes get the impression Slash got sucked way deeper into Axl's emotional/psychological baggage and traumas than he knew how to deal with and got burned out on that.

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Axl's smile after he makes that BIB comment is just the cutest thing.

10 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I've been reading Slash interviews before and after he left the band, and I have some thoughts of why Axl was so angry with him, at least one of the reasons, but I'll leave it for another day.

Please share your thoughts on this whenever you feel like it, I'd love to hear them.

6 hours ago, stella said:

Gotta disagree with this one...he's been a complete asshole toward many women in his life. There was an old interview on Metal Sludge from about 10 years ago where he said a woman was only good with a cock in her mouth, or something along those lines. He's had convictions for domestic violence against three different women and has actually gone to jail for it. And on the Celebrity Rehab show, he was noticeably nastier and less respectful toward the woman tech at the rehab facility than the male ones. He actually made her cry. 

And in terms of treating everyone right, the guy abandoned his entire band in Europe with no way to get home about 9 years ago when he went off on a bender.

I hate the way Steven always paints himself as the hero of any story.

Ewwww.

See, the thing is... I don't like Steven. Never have and never will. I have a huge soft spot for the other four idiots, but Steven... nope. So I don't really keep up with him and mostly tend to ignore him. I have never heard about any of these things you mentioned. I never watched the rehab show, don't usually read interviews with him, don't really know about all the shit he did etc. All I know about him are bits and pieces I randomly come across or when he gets mentioned in connection to the other guys and stuff like that.

Basically, I retract my earlier statement after reading what you wrote. Shows what I get for trying to find something nice to say about him for once 

10 hours ago, Mararoyce said:

Hold on, hold on...I haven't caught up to much on the thread...did @Lumikki see Axl in the flesh ? Or were y'all kidding around...

8 hours ago, Mararoyce said:

Is there some place (page) that I can catch up on this holy event? Thx

Yes, I did meet him after the ACDC concert in Vienna. I also met the guys from ACDC, though I only really talked to Angus and his wife.

Here's the thread I made about what Angus's wife and Angus had to say about Axl: Make him get rid of the hats, Beta!

And here's where I went into a bit more detail about meeting Axl in this thread: Post 1 and Post 2

Sorry about there being no pictures anymore, but I took them down after Alt Nation stole my story to write a couple of crappy articles about it

10 hours ago, Rock Hopper said:

I think she met him in Vienna on the AC/DC tour

The spy pays close attention to the happenings on this board I see

11 hours ago, tiutso said:

How did that come up? 

It didn't come up, it was just one of his random twitter posts. He posted a link to a youtube video (don't remember what it was anymore) and asked "Is this transphobic?" It's been a long time since I read his twitter, but honestly, I think he was just being a douche and making fun of the concept of transphobia. Or at least being unnecessarily sarcastic about it. The tweet should still be there if you want to see for yourself.

4 hours ago, killuridols said:

omg that picture of Axl on the brick phone

"It seems like he/she (more likely a he with a throw-away account pretending to be a woman if I had to guess) is just trying to start shit to get everyone else in trouble as well."

HAH HAH.... I must tie my tongue on this one but yeah.

The Brazilian fans club is taking credit for the comparison and now they are all over Instagram and other places being thanked for such an awesome job

So "Brazilian fans club", if you're reading here because I'm sure you are, have some decency and give LUMIKKI the credit she deserves, or else you're becoming the new Alternative Nation

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Aww those Duff gifs are so !!!!

He call themselves babies, that's so cute! 

I love it!!

lol I've been told Axl now has instructed every minion to ask every woman that wants to take a picture with him if she posts in the "Women's Thread" from Mygnr

He's specially wary of @Andy14 and @killuridols, the two most dangerous stalkers this thread has produced. Watch out.

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I don't like when clueless fans, usually on Tumblr or IG call him by the names he's explicitely asked to not be called by. I find that distasteful and disrespectful. It is usually people who have not read GN'R history and only care for Axl because of his appearance instead of his music or who he is as a person.

Oh that's nice  I don't follow too much GNR related stuff on Instagram, so I didn't see that. Charming.

You and @Andy14 need to make sure to never post any pictures of yourself anywhere, so you'll remain anonymous and the minions will be completely powerless against you

And yes, I don't like that either (except when we're doing it jokingly in the women's thread... remember when they all were Saul, William, Jeffrey and Michael for a while? lol). Like you said, it's distasteful and disrespectful. But I was actually referring to people who knew him before he was famous, not random "fans" on social media. From the way all these people talk I get the impression that they used to call him Bill for the most part, even when he was a child (and some William, like the ice cream lady). So that he would refer to himself as Billy (which is much cuter and more child-like and innocent than "Bill", which sounds too adult and hard for a little child imo) is kind of touching to me in a way? It's hard to explain. I guess it's kinda like he's showing more affection to the child he used to be by using a cutesy nickname than the people around him ever did. Or something. Like I said, I'm an emotional and weepy mess today in general, so don't mind my crazy ramblings

11 hours ago, starlight said:

11 hours ago, dgnr said:

I've never seen this photo. 

OMG look at Slash leaning on Axl...the pose

Yesss That is definitely a Slaxl picture.   It's amazing that we're still getting new Slaxl pictures from back in the day in 2016. All these photographers should share their treasures with us

I also really love that picture of Axl playing piano that @Andy14 posted. Omg And look at him, he's so tiny! These short little legs!

Also I saw these on Tumblr today and was reminded of our recent discussion

I feel haunted by this daddy thing now

Also Beta apparently got into a fight with people on social media again This time she was defending Dizzy because someone apparently wrote a negative comment about Dizzy on a recent picture of Dizzy and Melissa that was posted on the official GnR Instagram account. Here's a summary from Tumblr:

5 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Axl is too busy holing up in his hotel room, hiding from his crazy psycho stalker fans 

@Lumikki Axl must have been absolutely fucking petrified when you met him 

On 15.8.2016 at 10:55 PM, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Yes, I definitely do. I can remember being quite shocked when I first listened to it, listening to the words. Its one of my favourite songs he's written, even though I don't rate the music too much.

Totally. He was shaking so hard with horror at meeting me that his hat nearly fell of his head. And that one picture I have with him where he's smiling a little? I must have imagined that. No way he'd be smiling when meeting someone from the women's thread

Btw, now I finally understand where your username comes from. I always kind of wondered about that, because you usually don't seem too fond of Axl's Sluff and Izzy-less endeavours

But I agree, I like that song as well, especially the last part (the "Like the tide down on the ocean/The waves already set in motion" bit). Musically it is lacking something though, yeah. I kinda wish they'd dust that song off and let Slash and Duff get their hands on it, I think it has potential and could really be improved with a few tweeks. To be fair though, I think I remember Axl saying that Oh My God wasn't even really a finished a song, but just a demo, so maybe I'm judging it too harshly.

18 hours ago, Blackstar said:

@Frey, @Lumikki, @MillionsOfSpiders, thank you for the Oh My God reference. It's been a long while since I read the lyrics. Yes, it seems it's about Axl's childhood.

Btw, I read another Slash interview after Oh My God was released where he says again how intelligent Axl is and how brilliant his lyrics are.

Did Slash say that just in a general sense or was he specifically referring to Oh My God when he said that?

On 15.8.2016 at 11:55 PM, Frey said:

I agree that the lyrics are kind of shocking or rather unusual for Axl. This part has always stood out to me:

How long can you bear him
To come back and haunt you
To burn past your feelings
And cause you to suffer

Because Axl practically never references other men in his lyrics like that (except to diss them like in GITR lol). So you automatically ask yourself who "him" is. The only guys I can think of that make sense in the context of the song are his biological father or his step father, more likely the step father.

They don't give you up
Before its too late
What will you offer
In way of a healing
I'm so confused, abused, misused

This sounds like him being frustrated about his family not talking to him and him wondering if they will ever tell him what he wants to know and what he needs to move forward to "heal".

I just listened to the song again and there's also these lines:

This is better than a good compromise
I was willing to be lost in the shuffle
If only you had let me know

This is better than the last compromise
I was willing to be lost in the shadows
If only you had let me know

I wonder if he's saying here that he would have been willing to keep his mouth shut and not go public like he did if they had just talked to him and helped him fill in the missing puzzle pieces? Because that's what it sounds like to me.

I agree with all of this. That's how I would interpret these lines as well. Also I just tried to think of an example of Axl singing about another guy, and couldn't come up with anything off the top of my head lol. If all of this is true, I also think it's interesting that Axl would have been willing to let sleeping dogs lie so to speak, if his family had just been a little more accomodating. Seems like he was also kinda lashing out at them a bit for being so supremely unhelpful (not that I really blame him or anything).

On 15.8.2016 at 10:18 PM, killuridols said:

[...] All these relatives knew little pieces of this puzzle, and nobody helped me with shit. I'm angry about that. I can't sit and think about Uncle So-and-So and enjoy it much. And if you're talking with any of these people, they try to get you to just tolerate it and take things back to the way they were: "Let's not get it public." My family did everything they could, thinking they were doing what was right, to bury it all. My stepfather was just adamant that he was going to protect Mom and himself: "Your real father does not get brought up." And he was also trying to cover his own tracks for what he did.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/axl-rose-the-rolling-stone-interview-19920402?page=9

Yes exactly, quotes like this and other things Axl has said is what the lyrics of Oh My God strongly remind me of.

Something else I noticed, though it's a bit more far-fetched than the other things mentioned here is that Axl often talks about himself and other people he's at odds with in terms of winning and losing. That was a recurring theme when Slash and Duff were still on his enemy list

Ooh, well its on with the show
Like the tide down on the ocean
The waves already set in motion
The only one in the game who's lost is you

He seems to be doing the same with his family here in the song and has done so elswhere too, though I can't remember where right now. The only thing I can think of at the moment is this quote from one of the interviews @Blackstar posted earlier, but that's not really what I meant.

MUSICIAN: When you're talking to your therapist, are you Axl or Bill?
AXL: Axl. Bill was something that got left behind long ago. I was named after my real father and that wasn't something I was a big fan of. If I'm getting in touch with the child in me then I'm dealing with Billy. But I'm Axl. That was the name of a band I had with Izzy and at one point he said, "You live, breathe, eat, sleep, walk and talk Axl. Why don't you just be Axl?" So I was like, "Good. Now I'm Axl Rose." And I won.

Completely unrelated side note, but reading that quote again just made me feel a little weepy.

Something about "Billy" and that "And I won" bit makes me feel kind of emotional. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone referring to him as Billy (only Bill, Will, William, etc.) and that he'd refer to himself that way kinda makes my heart ache. And yeah, he really did win, against all odds.

Okay, I'll stop now. My hormones must be out of whack or something today, I'll blame it on that

@killuridols You rang?

Sorry, just been kinda busy and some family drama going on and stuff. And now I come here to see drama as well I agree, do not engage. It seems like he/she (more likely a he with a throw-away account pretending to be a woman if I had to guess) is just trying to start shit to get everyone else in trouble as well.

9 hours ago, cheesecake said:

Seems like I missed all the 'excitement' here lol 

What did pinkrose post that was so toxic and controversial? I backtracked a page and saw her posts on not really liking Axl and wanting to give more credit to Izzy..but I thought that's just his/her opinion... like all of us have our own opinions....? Or there were deleted posts that I'm not aware of?@Andy14

I can still see that he/she called everyone in this thread crazy stalking psychos, said that we have our tongues too far up Axl's ass, talked about this thread being shut down, made dumb remarks about South Americans,... People have had posts deleted and stuff for way less than this.

On 16.8.2016 at 6:15 AM, tiutso said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transpositive/comments/3ahl9m/a_once_famous_person_now_understands_our_plight/

If true, good on him for still being so approachable. I can't imagine giving much of a fuck about the world had I gone through the same shit as him. 

Yeah good on him (though the mental illness remark and him not knowing what that meant kinda made me cringe). I'm not exactly Steven's biggest fan, but he does usually come across as concerned about treating everbody right and respectfully, no matter who they are. It reminds me of that interview where Steven basically called all the other guys in the band sexist, because they refused to have Vicky Hamilton as their manager. According to Steven, they didn't think a woman could do the job as well as a man and they wanted to have a male manager. Steven thought that was stupid and felt like they didn't appreciate how much Vicky had done for them... Also reminds me of the day I learned that Axl Rose knows the word "transphobic"

On 15.8.2016 at 10:18 PM, killuridols said:

Thank you!

I was going to ask @Andy14 to look for the comparison because I was so sure I had seen that face before! It is that one! yeah!

We keeping winning, this "faces" comparison thing should be another exclusive pinned thread we should have here. All the work the Women's thread has produced is invaluable

Yeah, when I saw that picture I knew I had seen him make that exact same expression before in an old picture and had to make a comparison. And I agree, this thread does good work  As for that Instagram post, I guess they probably stole the idea at least (I posted the comparison on Tumblr as well), but they seem to have used different pictures and didn't bother to make the pictures line up and match nicely, size-wise...

@RooSaa Never heard of her, but I'm not surprised. There are so many crazies and delusional people out there (especially on Instagram, Twitter, etc) that I've mostly stopped paying attention. Meegan, Sasha and Grace especially seem to bring the crazies out in full force.

Got some more shit I want to comment on, but for now...

"We're still babies, you know?" Babies indeed.

What he's saying is pretty sad in retrospect, but Duff is just the most adorable blond ball of fluff in these gifs. I'd kinda want to pinch his cheeks or something there

Also, speaking of Duff, did everyone see the pictures of Duff and Susan at the animal shelter? They're cute. And once again I wish they'd dragged Axl along. I mean Slash and Duff constantly do nice and fun things like that, it would be good for Axl to join them and do something normal for once (and spend some quality time with his band mates at the same time)

@Andy14 Ah that's awesome! "Fabulous furry freak brothers" though wtf

Is that the first time Slash has ever posted a GnR-related picture on Instagram? More specifically something about Duff and Axl? It's about bloody time. 

And I'm still waiting for him to post a selfie of him and Axl

1 hour ago, tiutso said:

Man, when I noticed that bloody Ashba pic, the post only had 2 notes on Tumblr and I couldn't send an anon to that user so I just gave up and came here. Now @Lumikki went out there tearing it up with truths, and everyone is agitated, what the hell  

Lol okay then I'm not very active on Tumblr, but felt inspired to adress this issue (along with all the other fake/mislabeld pictures) yesterday. It's my civic duty as a citizen of the GnR fandom or something

Speaking of fake pictures and Tumblr, I was just asked about this picture on there. I've seen it before, but had totally forgotten about it. Anyone here know anything about this picture? Where it came from etc.? I'm guessing it's most likely fake as well, but I don't actually know for certain because I have no idea about that picture's history. Googling hasn't proven very helpful either.

8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

EDIT: I only just noticed there's someone inbetween Axl and that guy on the second pic. Lovely. 

Someone? It's our beloved friend Sasha being all over Axl

@Lanna Thank god for the guy's knee in the picture or I would be seeing even more of Sasha's naked ass than I'm already seeing. Why does she need to climb all over Axl in public with her ass and everything hanging out like that

6 hours ago, tiutso said:

He looked like such a dork, never would've suspected he'd be a rock star or whatever 

I think he was an adorable child and a dorky/awkward looking teenager that turned into an attractive man. Quite similar to Axl actually. And now they're both fat adorably chunky and suffer from hair loss. More proof they were made for each other, clearly. 

5 hours ago, tiutso said:

RE: Slash and family. Was this supposed to be a pic of three generations but he couldn't bring his actual son into the frame or something? 

 

According to Slash's dad, these pictures were taken for a magazine article about rock stars and their parents or something like that.

There's also this picture. I think it's really cute how they kinda re-created the old picture Slash is holding in the present day

On 13.8.2016 at 3:12 PM, nn18 said:

This was cute:

That picture Slash posted couple of days ago (lol)

From Lucy, Meegan's older daughter  

On 13.8.2016 at 3:24 PM, giuls said:

Sure, Slash, you don't  don't tell me he says it's art, oh my god 

@nn18 I love how you keep noticing little stuff like that on Instagram! This and the Ashba tattoo post were some of the most hilarious things I've seen in the GnR world recently

And @giuls I'm willing to bet that is exactly what he told her.    "I don't post porn on my Instagram, Lucy, it's art!" I can totally see that.

11 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Didn't he say he took himself out of school because he wasn't learning anything. It was all too easy for him and boring. He said he took himself out of school and put himself through the school of Axl, learning about things he wanted to learn about. The school of Axl  I love that. According to his friends in Indiana, "Axl school" was painting and playing his piano LOL! 

Then there was the time he refused to have any legal representation when he got into trouble for the millionth time in Indiana. He decided to represent himself  he got chucked behind bars, but I love that too. 

Yeah, Axl school was painting and piano, but iirc he did claim he read books about whatever subjects interested him in the library as well. (Although that still doesn't really exclude porn mags )

The story about him representing himself in court is one of my favorite Axl stories ever. I can totally picture him as a bratty, smart-mouthed kid arguing his case. And hey, he did say he wanted to become a lawyer for a while, so

11 hours ago, stella said:

Axl's writing (in terms of letters or what he's written here) is very run-on and all over the place, yes. But there's still something about the way he speaks in interviews that makes me think he's smarter than the average bear. Many of the people who have interacted with him day to day - not just trying to make an assessment from a fan board - have said as much.

Duff is extremely intelligent AND smart and seems to have made wonderful decisions for himself, yes. Duff's a better prose writer, hands down with no questions. However, not all intelligent people come from the same mold, and Duff did not have to deal with the sheer amount of emotional and mental baggage that Axl seems to have. I would never underestimate panic attacks, but it's a bit different than being raised with a completely fucked-up and skewered world view from the get-go the way Axl seemed to have been. Mental health and emotional issues mess with people in all sorts of ways and affect them long-term.
 

That's a good point, yes. Even the most intelligent people can be affected by mental illnesses/emotional problems which cause them to make seemingly irrational/stupid/crazy decisions.

16 hours ago, Frey said:

I wouldn't be that shocked. Just look at all these religious fundamentalists who have all these adult children living at home, completely under their father's authority despite the fact that they're all technically of age. The Duggars that were mentioned earlier are a famous example of that.

In Axl's case, we know that he was kicked out of his house when he was 16, so most of the beatings probably stopped then (except if he maybe went back sometimes and managed to piss his father off on these occasions). But I'd say up until the point he was 16, he probably got to feel God's wrath (lovingly delivered by his step dad) pretty regularly. These patriarchal religious nuts tend to look at their children as literal children until they move out and become the heads of their own families.

Among other things, you can kind of tell his parents thought of him and treated him like a child even by the reason he was kicked out in the first place- his hair. I mean think about it, they kicked him out for refusing to cut his hair, which implies that they felt they had a say (or even the right to decide) what his hair should look like. Which would be alright with a small child maybe, but Axl wasn't a small child, he was 16, nearly an adult. At that age parents usually don't get to decide such things anymore. I would have been very amused if mom or dad had tried to tell me what to do with my hair at that age. When you're 16, you feel oh so grown up already (even if you aren't), you feel you're a man now, not a boy anymore, and you want to be treated as a man. Your parents refusing to let you have any control of your own (even over simple things like your own hair) and daddy regularly punching you in the face or whipping your ass with his belt as punishment for whatever sins you committed probably does a number on you at that age.

The thing about the hair is a good point, it does seem pretty infantilizing to tell a 16 year old how to look. I mean a lot of parents complain about their kids' clothing and style choices, but to make such a big issue out of it as to actually kick the child out of the house is insane (especially considering that his hair actually wasn't even very long at all according to Axl, just slightly over his ears or something). Shows that they wanted him to completely conform and obey to their rules and ideas.

Also was reminded of this quote by Izzy:

“For [Axl] the money wasn't as big a deal. But he had this power thing where he wanted complete control. And you can say, well, it goes back to your fucked up childhood where his dad used to smack him around, you know, and he had no control, so now he’s getting it back. But it’s like, it’s still cooky, you know? You don't have to have everybody signing stuff.” 

I mean yeah, that's only Dr. Izzy's very scientific opinion on Axl's issues, but who knows, he might have a point. Maybe a lot of these issues really do come from Axl being completely at the mercy of stepfather/parents and not getting do decide over anything in his life.

5 hours ago, Frey said:

Should maybe be added to the "NOT [insert person here] post"  @Lumikki

Done. I added the fake graduation picture and also the picture of Axl holding a baby, because that one is commonly mislabeled as being Dylan (it's actually Lonn Friend's kid).

I should make a Tumblr post about this.

On 5.8.2016 at 9:27 PM, Lumikki said:

Omg, Andy All that visual fan fic you produce is hilarious Duff is the best lol

 

Not just the quality. Just look at the people. I don't think these pacifier chains were very common in the 60s (if they even existed) and neither were jeans jackets for babies or mothers wearing their babies in slings in Europe or the US. These are all pretty modern things (or modern again things).

It makes me irrationally angry to see all these fake pictures spread around   (Not directed at you by the way @_Mia_ but at the people who spread all that misinformation in the first place). I've seen that particular picture all over Tumblr and on Instagram too and it makes me wanna bash my head against a wall.

 

So for future reference:

NOT Axl's mom (and also not Axl):

 

Also NOT Axl's mom (it's a Chilean tourist guide):

 

NOT Axl's biological dad:

 

NOT Axl (it's DJ Ashba):

 

NOT Axl with Dylan (the baby is Lonn Friend's child):

 

NOT Izzy's wife (just some chick):

 

NOT Izzy (It's Richard Duagay):

 

NOT Frank Ferrer (added that one in just for you, ninja friend @Epson)

 

Did I miss anything?!

 

10 hours ago, killuridols said:

I'm thinking too... hehe... hmm.. I guess he kind of.... did question the whole religious thing because he spoke about it on the interviews. I mean, he said "I was forced to read the bible, go to mise every day of the week, etc". He also said how he was punished for watching a woman in bikini on TV or checking out women on magazines.

He knew that system was fucked up because everything he wanted to do he said it was wrong in the eyes of his father, so to me, it's hard to understand how come he wasn't questioning all of that, when in fact he was, but at the same time, as you say, keeping some of it to him, like the crosses and I'd add the shirts with Jesus face he would also wear in shows.

So basically, I'm confused about it. Like @Lumikki said before, my country is Catholic AF (lol) too and well, the Pope is argentine as you know , but every time more and more people stop believing, especially young people do not believe at all and are not really practising catholicism as they should be. I was raised Catholic, of course, but I jumped off that boat like 20 years ago and I didn't go looking for a new religion because I think all religions suck, so I'm an atheist now and I can't imagine myself joining a religion in the future or starting to believe in anything that cannot be explained rationally. This is why I don't understand Axl... why does he need any of that if he knows those shits make you a slave and he was supposed to look for freedom, at least, that's what he wrote he wanted

Like you said, maybe it really is the way how religion was presented to you in your childhood. Growing up in a Catholic AF country (lol thanks for that) as well, I was also raised Catholic technically speaking. But in my case that only meant I was baptized, put through all these rituals like first communion etc. and had to sit through religious education classes in school. And I had to go to church a few times a year on special occasions when I was a child (later on my family stopped going to church entirely).

But in every day life, religion had zero importance or influence and that's where mine (or our, going by the way you talk) and Axl's childhood really differs, despite both (all) of us being raised in some form of really dogmatic Christianity.

I never got beaten for doing something sinful- because concepts like sin don't really exist in my parents minds (except as a joking matter) and they certainly didn't think singing along to the radio or looking at scantily clad people on TV was sinful.

I didn't have to read the bible or learn it by heart- because we didn't even have a bible at home and my parents couldn't have cared less about that old dusty book.

I didn't have to go to church 8 times a week- I already threw temper tantrums about the like 3 or 4 times a year I actually did have to go to church (because it was boring AF). Which had zero consequences except my parents maybe yelling at me or threatening to revoke some privileges. I shudder to imagine what would have happened to Axl if he had thrown a temper tantrum about going to church

I was allowed to be skeptical and question things- I got into trouble with my religious education teacher in elementary school once for making a remark about the Adam and Eve story being bullshit because then we'd all be descended from the incestual offspring of Adam and Eve's children. My teacher wasn't amused, but my dad was proud lol. Around the same time (I must have been 8 or 9 or so) I also told my parents that I didn't believe in god and that I thought Catholicism was bullshit. My mom was a bit upset about that, but my dad was pretty pleased again (he's harbored a disdain for religion and the church his entire life lol). I imagine if Axl had said something like that as a child there'd probably have been hell to pay. Religion just had a much more direct impact on his life than it ever had on mine and I guess that leaves scars

8 hours ago, stella said:

I'd love to hear Axl talk about his reasons for liking those symbols too. What's also weird is that he seems to love crucifixes but those don't usually appear in Protestant churches like the one Axl grew up in. Protestants generally use plain crosses. I asked about this once and was told it's because the crucifix shows Jesus dead, and the whole point is that Jesus was resurrected and didn't stay dead. Makes sense, and those plain crosses look better to me, personally. Some of the crucifixes I've seen are just gruesome, and I can't imagine feeling comfortable with that hanging in my living room. He seems to have borrowed a bunch of Catholic symbols, actually...the crucifixes, Our Lady, and he's also worn rosaries. Lots of folks do that now, but not so much 20 years ago. And during the Farm Aid performance he actually did a correct Sign of the Cross. I almost wonder if he's had an interest in Catholicism or at least the symbolism with it.

Stained glass on the other hand is so beautiful - I could totally understand it if someone collected stained glass from churches because that's just amazing work.

8 hours ago, killuridols said:

That observation is interesting, Axl appropiating symbols from Catholicism instead of the ones he grew up with. Could be the influence of Beta? Brasil is as Catholic as Argentina so there's a chance she may have influenced him with her own religion.

That thing about it maybe being Beta's influence has crossed my mind as well. But then again he seemed to start doing that kind of thing even before he met her (or got close with her), so who knows.

@stella You'd love my hometown then Huge ass, giant Jesus nailed to a crucifix right outside of the church, overlooking the town square. I remember walking past that thing as a child, looking up at it, and always being morbidly fascinated by the blood running down his hands and from his head where the crown of thorns was digging into his skull. Plus smaller Jesus nailed to the cross type crucifixes in every class room in school and in every living room, kitchen, bedroom, etc in the houses of most people.

39 minutes ago, giuls said:

Yeah, there are different kinds of intelligent, if we go with the "classic" ripartion of the theory of the multiple intelligences (there are a lot of theories about intelligence but the theory that there is ONE intelligence is not used anymore by anyone in psychology) there are 9 kinds and no-one has all them developed to the max, maybe his interpersonal intelligence is lacking and he's guillible about other people's motive but that doesn't mean he isn't intelligent in other ways: he has obviously a lot of musical intelligence, he has made millions with that, he seems articulate to me so he has linguistic intelligence and he seems to me from the various interviews that he reflects on himself and he knows there are problems and what they were within himself so he has intrapersonal intellingence, for example, and all of them are totally kinds of intelligences so he is intelligent.

Yeah, I mostly tend to agree with that. He's... reasonably intelligent and gifted when it comes to music, self-reflection, language-related skills, academic things/book learning, etc. But he's a mess when it comes to people skills, common sense, and so on. Though it's not really surprising if you consider the way he was raised. People don't tend to develop great interpersonal skills for example in environments like the one he grew up in.

10 hours ago, tiutso said:

I tried typing out a response but it got too fucking long; that pissed me off. Very summarized version:

1. Not gonna care about his psychologist's words unless I find out where this psychologist was practising and whether it was a psychologist at all, because don't get me started on school counsellors; and whether it was just an evaluation of the impression he was giving off or an actual testing of his cognitive abilities. It's not horribly difficult for a broody intense teenager to bullshit his way through a brief relationship with one of these people if we're talking a shitty area and they demonstrate some insight into the general inner workings of their social context and some intention to optimize it. God knows, I wish I didn't have a reminder that some people can make their way into the psychological field when they really shouldn't have living right next to me.

2. Verbal intelligence. Is often the most obvious giveaway in children with unusual intellectual development. Regardless of their social skills or ability to enter actual verbal interactions easily. Demonstrates skills in operating language and language-based reasoning. If doesn't show up in person's output, whether lyrics, speech, or interaction with linguistic material, person probably not 'super-intelligent'.

I agree with you, I find that assessment highly suspect as well (that's why I put it in brackets and added the emoji). Who knows what effect it might have had on Axl though...

7 hours ago, tiutso said:

https://twitter.com/gunsnroses/status/764310989680447490/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Man, this is giving me major 'story about slash watching slaxl clones make out' vibes 

Hah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of that. That was literally my first thought when I saw that picture on IG this morning

Btw, did you mean the Periscope link that was posted in the concert thread or did you find another one of Grace's performance somewhere? I kinda wanted to watch her, but was too tired to stay up for it.

9 hours ago, killuridols said:

I think that surgery is pretty common among children but this is from 1992 so we don't know if he had them removed. Maybe he didn't want to have them removed for fear of it affecting his voice. He's a professional singer, he can't afford to fuck up his throat. Again, we know nothing about it since then.

Yeah, I think psychosomatic illnesses do exist but they are not entirely a result of stress. It's like what @tiutso said before... you are depressed and you become more vulnerable to diseases, probably because when you are depressed you dont take care of yourself. It happens to me a lot, you know how I'm oftenly and because of that sometimes I go out and catch the flu because I'm wearing a tshirt on winter and I dont realize it is cold outside, I'm supposed to wear sweaters and boots but I don't do it because I don't care, because I live in cloud 9 or am too much into my own world.

You mentioned "contact with tons of different people" and that reminded me of him getting laid with all these women who are not Erin ... So yeah, being promiscous gives you tons of diseases, so deal with it Axl, blame it on the parents but he won't blame his own lack of care in the sexual aspect.

Hmm I know parents who have chastised their kids until kids were teenagers so it is not so crazy what he is saying but at the same time, I find it hard to believe because he was already rebellious and I know any kid would rebel against his father or mother if they tried to beat them up. Some kids have murdered their own parents in self-defense, so I dont know. Maybe he was talking in a figurative sense? like the parents not supporting him with what he wanted to express.

Yeah, I know, I just thought that maybe he still has his tonsils because like you said, he still seems to suffer from respiratory problems a lot and that might explain it.

And lol, I wasn't even specifically thinking about being promiscous actually, just being surrounded by lots of random people with all kinds of germs on them in general (fans, crew, media people, hotel staff etc), but yeah, that certainly doesn't help either

And yeah, maybe he was speaking in a figurative sense. I'd prefer to believe that at least. But I'm not sure if his rebelliousness would necessarily have protected him. The one case I do know of where a father was violent towards his teenage son ended with the son basically fighting back and also attacking/hitting his father each time he tried to do that. But somehow that never stopped the guy from being violent. The son had to move in with somebody else before he finally found peace from that old bastard. Also we don't know what Axl's step father looks like and how tall/strong the guy is. With Axl being a tiny guy (and even skinnier as a kid), I guess it's possible that the stepfather might have had the upperhand strength-wise and could have physically overpowered him or something

10 hours ago, stella said:

I think that there are a lot of different types of intelligence - someone who is intellectually gifted, for instance, might not be socially intelligent. There are all those super-smart people who seem to have absolutely no social or emotional intelligence whatsoever (read some of the accounts of Mensa gatherings sometimes, for instance...they actually had to develop a "dot system" because there were so many people at their annual gatherings who were invading others' personal space and hugging others without their consent. You'd think someone who was smart enough to be in Mensa would be smart enough to know that you don't just go up to a stranger and put your hands on them, but that wasn't the case.

And it has also been said that a lot of people who fall into cults are very intelligent. Again, you'd think they'd be able to question what they're being told and come to a conclusion that it's harmful, but no. Like that Heaven's Gate cult who were all computer genuises, and committed suicide because they thought they were going to hitch a ride on a comet.

So I think that being intelligent doesn't always equate with being smart, savvy or able to parse the bullshit from the truth.

I think with Axl, one of the issues is that he was raised in a system where he was not allowed to question things. He had to accept what he was told as fact - stuff that was not readily verifiable - and it was hammered into his head in a very authoritative way. He was beaten and punished for speaking his mind or disagreeing, and he was thrown out of his house for it. I think on some level that sticks with someone, even if they do the work later on. And that was a very sheltered life as well, probably - if you've ever met a kid from a very religious household, they don't have a lot of street savvy.

And I think another issue is that he's very emotionally vulnerable, and really wants to fix what he feels is wrong, and he's searching desperately for solutions, and that leads to trouble and getting taken in a lot of the time.

With the tonsils, yeah, it sounds like they need to go. I also had issues with my tonsils, and when they were gone, I felt so much better. I've heard it's one of those surgeries where unfortunately the pendulum has swung from one extreme to the other - back in the day they used to grab kids' tonsils at the slightest provocation, and now they're so conservative about it that they wait too long and refuse to operate even when people really do need tonsillectomies.

Yeah, you're right, there are different kinds of intelligence. That's what I meant by "At least in that regard." I can see he's quite bright and gifted in some ways, but I guess just for me on a personal level, a lack of common sense/that levely of gullibility/naivity is more disturbing than a lack of intelligence/knowledge in other areas for some reason.

Also thank for you bringing up the influence of the very religious, dogmatic and sheltered way he was raised in. I absolutely agree, but I always forget about that aspect. Probably because that is the complete opposite of the way I (and most other people I know) were raised and I have no real personal experience with that. It's funny, my entire country is officially Catholic and it's the state religion, but hardly anyone actually believes in any of that stuff or takes it seriously (at least not among people under 60), or lives a life that is in any way significantly influenced by religion or the bible. It's a country full of atheists/agnostics that are only Catholic on paper People being so concerned about leading "godly lifes" and living their life according to the bible and all that broohaha about sin and evil and modesty and whatever else these people constantly go on about is something I only know from (US American) TV and people like Axl talking about it, to be honest.

10 hours ago, tiutso said:

Do people ever explain what made his intelligence obvious to them? Or is it just generalized?

No, they never really explain, much to my annoyance The closest it gets is like what @Blackstar described from Slash's book. I guess it's just that when people keep calling him things such as "super-intelligent", or highly/extremely intelligent etc., I would kind of like to see some concrete examples of that.

I can think of a ton of people who have called Axl intelligent, most notably Slash, Duff, Izzy, Marc Canter, Gina Siler, etc. (Oh yeah and that psychologist or whoever that was that declared him "psychotic, but extremely intelligent" when he was 16 ) So that's mostly people who know/knew him extremely well. Meaning they should know what they're talking about. But they never go into detail explaining what exactly they mean by that.

Imo he's quite gifted musically, but that's not really the same as being intelligent. He's also quite visionary sometimes, but with very hit or miss results.

What else... He seems to be very curious about the world, seems to know about a lot of things going on and he reads a lot. Not necessarily a sign of intelligence either, but all of that is good obviously, and maybe these things impress the people around him? And his teachers have said he was a bright child, so I guess school work- related / academic type things come easily to him. Can't really think of anything else right now though.

@Blackstar Thank you for posting that! I've never heard about that Shelley woman before or read any of this. I will have to take a closer look at that tomorrow (I should go to sleep now), but I guess she's person #3 then who's described Axl as naive (besides himself. And Slash, if you count song lyrics lol). 

Being a cynical, skeptical person raised in the age of the internet it's a bit hard to imagine for me I guess, but maybe there really was a surprising amount of naivity inside of him that accounts for a lot of his more eyebrow-raising behavior and decisions. Kinda reminds me of the Better lyrics. "No one ever told me when I was alone, they just thought I'd know better..." Maybe people assumed he'd know better about a lot of things when in fact he didn't.

@dgnr Yeah, I think these parts were really sweet as well. He does come across like a really nice kid in that letter.

@killuridols I've actually read that entire article before, but it sheds even more light on why he was so miserable during the UYI tour. From this and other things I've read you get the impression he was constantly sick. Add to that all his emotional/psychological issues and yeah, not fun at all.

From personal experience I'd say he should get his tonsils removed. I used to constantly get all these shitty illnesses as well, but then I had my tonsils removed and I haven't had anything like that in over 15 years. I never even need tissues or anything like that (except when I have a cold, which happens maybe once a year). I know this procedure is much more unpleasant for adults than children and some doctors disagree with it nowadays I think, but it worked miracles for me and a few other people I know. Worth considering at least, I guess.

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

But this is the saddest part, isn't it?

When he says he found out, I guess it has to do with what those loonies he was seeing at the time told him in the regression therapy or whatever.

Not sure what to believe... of course, if he says his parents were repressing him, must be true but the other thing, his body reacting to it and the self punishment... maybe, maybe not

Yeah, it definitely sounds like something these people would have told him. But on the other hand this kind of thing is not completely baseless at least. Psychosomatic illnesses are quite real after all. The way he presents it seems far-fetched though. No one there to punish him anymore so he punishes himself by getting all these diseases? Meh. Maybe his mental issues contribute a little and made/make his immune system weaker in general, but I'd say it's mostly the recycled air in planes and hotels that's to blame, plus contact with tons of different people and weak tonsils prone to diseases.

Also I really hope he was speaking hyperbolically/exaggerating when he said his parents beat him for 20 years.

Obviously beating children is horrible and wrong, but I find the thought of him still getting beaten as a teenger or young adult very disturbing as well. Disturbing in a different way maybe.

In my experience even parents who use physcial discipline with their children usually stop that shit when their children are around 12-14 years old. The thought of a parent discipling/beating a 16 year old or an 18 year old or whatever is really frightening to me.

52 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I don't get why he believes stuff like that shit, I really don't. For someone with his supposed intelligence he is extremely gullible. 

I've said that before and was attacked by some people for it. Axl's done and said a lot of things that make him come across as either really, really gullible or really, really desperate/scared. I don't know which one I'd prefer, but it makes me doubt his often cited intelligence as well. At least in that regard. Vulnerable and desperate or not, but just a minimum amount of common sense really would have gone a long way. The only way I can kind of make sense of it is if I consider his fear of actual psychiatrists/hospitals that we recently discussed in combination with the time that most of this craziness happened in. I figure it was a lot harder in the early 90s than it is now to ascertain if something was bullshit or not. Plus, he had no familial support system or anything. One thing that often strikes me when I read stuff about Duff (or even Slash or Izzy) are the instances where their family members stepped in and took them aside when they saw things heading in the wrong direction or thought something was shady. Axl didn't have anything like that, but a lot of sycophants and predators around him instead

@tiutso Yeah, I saw that. Sad, but not surprising. The same thing happened with Meegan. There are always a few sick individuals who have nothing better to do with their time than bullying others. I mean I don't particularly care for Grace's band or her singing or whatever either, but that's no reason to be nasty to her.

Btw, did you already read Tracii's book? Any interesting stories to tell?

@annablue That's cool. I don't actually have these, I just found the scans somewhere on the internet (I was a baby or something when these came out, so unforuntately I have zero actual stuff from back in the day...)

@MillionsOfSpiders Thanks for sharing that interview! I had never seen it before either. Some interesting stuff in there.

I had no idea his relationship with Michelle lasted this long either. But yeah, yet another person in the endless list of women Axl screwed around with while officially dating Erin/Steph 

Random small things that stood out to me:

- Axl constantly singing her new songs over the phone. Cute.

- I'm glad to hear Axl was never violent with her, but the way she describes it he still sounds fucking exhausting to live with. All the "hissy fits and tantrums" as she called it and him being sweet and loving one moment and a jerk the next

- The author says "Everyone has heard rumors of Axl supposedly being bipolar or at least having some kind of childhood post traumatic stress disorder." But that's actually the first time ever that I've seen the childhood-related PTSD thing mentioned in an article or interview about Axl. The only place I've ever seen this brought up was here on this board. Usually it's just bipolar/manic-depressive, crazy or simply an asshole when it comes to journalists and magazines. You can tell that the guy talked to a lot of people who know/knew Axl.

- She says Axl doesn't (didn't) drive and she constantly drove him everywhere? But Axl does have a driver's license because Izzy said they did driver's Ed together and there's enough pictures/videos of him driving cars, soo...

My best guess is Axl maybe doesn't like to drive and that's why he let's people like Michelle (or now Beta etc) drive him everywhere. Also I have heard at least two people (one of these being Izzy) say that Axl is an absolutely terrible driver.  I can absolutely believe that, considering both his temper and that he tends to be in his own head a lot, and also easily distracted. Tbh, I would be scared to get into a car with Axl driving