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sex pistols...by far the greatest rock n roll band EVER

nah....and he wasn't horrible at guitar, just different and outside of the realm of musical technicality...listen to Thurston Moore and Keith Levene...they're examples of experimental guitarists like kurt...the grindy under-tuned thing was on purpose...to create a specific sound. but i guess if u think it's horrible then thats ur opinion and ur entitled to it

musically they were intense man...orignal, catchy, GREAT lyrics, ambiguous, pondered over to this day...i dont see why everybody dislikes basic music, it's primal, it has energy...its not everybodys cup of tea of be like, ballad-makers...and i think after In Utero it WOULDA got really interested cuz Kurt said "this is the final chapter for us, in three chord rock n roll"...

grunge doesn't really exist...its just rock n roll music, people tryna make a movement outta nothing...however, one thing that puts nirvana above most bands on the planet is...passion. textbook talent to my mind, doesn't matter as much as passion and intensity...which they had in abundance...ALL members...

Dave Grohl - best drummer in the world

Kurt Cobain - there are no words to describe how cool and true he was

Krist Novoselic - solid bass player, solid as they come

Pat Smear - he's from the Germs for godssake!! that alone makes him christ...but listen to him play, he's intense...swirlin around stage like a dervish

they deserve their level of being rated...problem is its for the wrong reasons...people see them in some emo context when they're more part of like, alternative music scene, rock n roll/punk rock and taking its elements into mainstream rock...in many ways, they killed gnr off in the sense that they stood for somethin different and people responded to the nirvana end at that time in history...plus when the spaghetti incident came out it was like, oh, gnr are bandwagon jumping, doing punk covers cuz punk is being bought back...which is bullshit cuz they planned the spaghetti incident for AGES...before "grunge" (whatever that is) exploded.

btw i like both gnr and nirvana and this is in no way a comparison of the two cuz thats just ridiculous, they're too different.

there was a reason why kurt signed to a major record label and that was distribution...u can't, have ur message get anywhere till u get heard and on these alternative labels u get marginalised and poorly distributed...its just that he didn't anticipate desire or expect it to get as big as it did, thats not hypocrisy. in the words of the great man himself "we signed to a major record label for distribution...99% of what goes on in major record label is a bunch of bullshit". i agree with him.

NIRVANA

one of the best bands ever...

whats wrong with eminem? u dont hafta like him or the genre he works within but within its confines he is second to none...just about the great battle MC ever born...

SEX PISTOLS

"i don't 'ave any 'eroes...they're all useless...theres no bands around are there? no, none are accessible" - Johnny Rotten

damn mandy, took u two whole posts? am i getting to you? oh, so ur a mind reader too huh??? Axl liiked to look pretty, ok, being the way he is he didnt actually have much choice in the matter, although u could do with surgeons knife....in the heart that is.

as a matter of fact, i am a boy :) i love this bit, i'd sell my mama for more of these moments *bit difficult since shes dead but there ya go"

"who isnt attractive to rant about females commenting on how good another guy looks"

im sure on the planet dumpy thats make a helluva lotta sense...lol

people r entitled to their opinions huh? well hows this, try not criticising peoples opinions with knowing exactly what they are...maybe then u wouldn't get insulted because quite frankly dearest i treat people with exactly the respect they give me, which was none in ur case being that u felt the need to totally ignore my opinion yet comment on it too, hmm, a lotta sense in that huh?

"Perhaps people would take you more seriously if you presented your argument in an intelligent manner"

like i said, i give people EXACTLY the amount of respect they give me, with in Amandas case, was none.

without being called cxxx? whassamatter cunt, can't spell neither...i notice u single that word out specifically...get to you does it? well cunt, when u disrespected me by disrespecting my opinion, which warranted my doing it back to it...if ur looking for arguments presented in an intelligent manner, if u go further back in the post you'll see that i treat other people exactly like i treat you...if they respect me & my opinion i respect them and theirs, if they don't then i don't...sounds like common sense to me, but then ur hardly common, ur one in a million aren't u mandy? *pats mandy on the head*

sociopath? lol i'll take that as a compliment...sound like? u can hear the written word too, woah, u really are special...

"goin off on posts like "100 sexiest" "Axl is Hott" "

ok sweetie, u comfortable? siddown this might take a while... ok, this might be challenging, but please, put in some effort.... see that word up there, beggining with an L with an E on the end and i & K in the middle? well that word is called like, going off on posts like, meaning not exactly...but like, hmm? are we getting somewhere??? a little maybe? *puts hands over amandas ears to stop her brains from leaking* quick, someone get a bowl or something, HEEELP!!! i feel like hannibal lecter!!! soooo, like, got that word, now remember it, cuz im gonna ask u tommorow...

*watches Amanda walk off saying likelikelikelikelikelikelikelikelikelike*

hey, why did Amanda stare at the OJ carton for 12 days?

Cuz it said 'concentrate' on it.

hyuk hyuk hyuk...aren't i hil-hairy-ass?

but seriously, lip injections...lol try em, who knows, u might make a 3rd rate porno one day and maybe, just MAYBE, one day, perhaps, Axl might see it!! WOW WEEEEE!!! wouldn't that just validate ur existence? sorry, only a tombstone could possibly do that, "heres lies Amanda, she was a sweet girl, bless her, a couple of McNuggets short of a happy meal perhaps, but sweet" or hows about "Hurray, The cunt is dead...piss here"

failing the lip injections, i reccomend u try the "geri-halliwell-fingers-down-ur- throat" diet

us? what are u, the fuckin girl scouts? ur one person, speak for urself, is that supposed to intimidate me? US lol oooooh, smell that? i just shit my pants...you're really fucking ignorant, u know what? u just made a bland statement based on not even reading my posts meaning u have no respect for my opinion and in turn no respect for me, which is why u prompted the kinda reply you got...do urself a favour, and LEARN something about music instead of goin off on posts like "100 sexiest" "Axl is Hott" ur fucking boring, u wanna fuckin go on about how good lookin' people are, try a site that dedicated to Guess Jeans models, not a fucking music site, its not that hard...musicians make music, models stand and look pretty, citing a singer for being pretty must be incredibly insulting to their proffesion. and if u do have something relevant to say about music in response to someones opinion, try LISTENING to the opinion first...

so piss off u fat faced cunt

i didn't say they were all crappy i said....oh read for urself u stupid cunt...how the fuck u commenting on shit when u ain't even read the posts? success doesn't mean shit, lil bow wow is successful too, so are the backstreet boys...the theme to Dallas is well known too...

GNR’R: no one should repress their opinion dude…

Uzeurilluzion: I didn’t just diss them for nothing, there were points behind it…if u care to wipe the outrage from off ur glasses and look again, its called criticism, not insult

Huskertornado: cool, I didn’t say u shouldn’t like em…I just differed…by the way Mike and Uncle Leary rule

GnRmaniac: New York Dolls rock? THANK YOU!!! Someone agrees, cool

Afterthebat: no signs of progress? LMAO dear sweet baby jesus…ok, ok, im just gonna pick one example…one of the biggest punk artists ever and give u like, 10 songs, made in the span of 6 years and u tell me theres no progression…and its hardly an obscure reference point either, Johnny rotten…

Pretty Vacant

Anarchy In The UK

Theme

Fodderstompf

Death Disco

Radio Four

Chant

Flowers Of Romance

Banging The Door

Hymies Hymn

Ok, now name me one, just one, ONE mainstream rock band that’s evolved at that pace…I agree Axl’s more drawn to the attitude…true…the sex pistols broke up after one album…what evolution were u expecting? LMAO now, look at what the members of that band went on to do…THE MUSIC…the actual songs…not generalisations, refer to the music. And there are degrees of compromise, theres a difference between compromise and selling out…when I mean selling out I’ll say it and when I mean compromise I’ll say it too…

Evil, I like ur points…valid…I don’t mean graduating to arena rock immediately makes u an asshole but…in certain cases, with certain personalities, it’s a contributing factor…for a number of reasons.. a) a lotta artist get complexses once they start makin that kinda money albeit not all B) the physical detachment is ENORMOUS from you and ur audience…im sure you’ve been to the gig so u see what I mean although some music translates better on stadiums I like the congested energy of a clubby or like, 3,000 seater type gig

I didn’t mean that specifically u have to be working class, I just object to those who lie and claim to be working class, they show their true colours really quickly…I think u as a person should show up in ur music, in all senses, cuz…its you, it’s what u r, it’s ur expression…

I agree that u don’t HAFTA progress to be a good band, but u DO hafta progress to be a GREAT band which is what people were calling the stones and certain other bands that I was criticising for that very reason…they’re not great, to my mind, by virtue of that fact, some bands I LOVE didn’t progress…the ramones for instance…but u can’t call em great till they have all the ingredients of greatness, it’s label that gets thrown around a lot and I tend to differ to that when I believe it to be a falsehood. And I agree with what u say about it not being bad to take ur influence to another level…I just think a facet of greatness is blazing a trail urself…I think theres a lotta misinterpretation between good and great goin on…Sid is a tragedy I agree, and I didn’t say death was a requirement…its just, reflects that…I dunno, it’s all they knew, all they had…and they truly WENT for it and…I dunno, that’s commendable at least. But, yeah, I really like the way u discuss dude…u make a lotta sense, thanx for…discussing instead of just outright dissing.

Sweetrose: I like u dude, u actually like…have a clarity in the way u see the bands u like, im not comparing aerosmith and gnr…I don’t HATE aerosmith, far from it, I have all of their albums before Just Push Play…comparing them to GnR? I dunno, I never claimed GnR were better, I just said…I preffered them…Axl is of a totally alien mentality (to my mind at least) to steve tyler so…I dunno, take it for what its worth.

I never said Axl was punk, I was differed when people made statements like, “GnR rule…fuck punk” cuz he was influenced to em…to a degree at least. Ok lets clear this up, I don’t hate Dylan whatsoever and I dunno WHERE u get this from cuz if u read the posts I’ve made, u’d see that…Aerosmith, I dislike what they’ve become but I like em a TON more that rolling stones…cuz what they became was dreadful…what they began as however was great, subversive, attitude, kick ass music…without them we wouldn’t have gnr….? Where did I say that they should never have existed? I merely said I don’t like the self satisfied rock dinosaurs they became…read my posts dude, it’s all there…and Elvis?????????? Where did I say that???????????? To the contrary, I was defending elvis when people were sayin that he stole music, I LOVE Elvis, I think Elvis is too cool for the dictionary…elvis sucks??? Im wearing a replica of elvis’s 68 comeback jacket this minute Lol find where I said that please, I’d like to know…I never said drugs were what its ALL about…please find where I said that, where are u coming up with half of this??? Lol

U know what? U wanna check out the whole record company thing relating to Aerosmith vs The New York Dolls…u might find something VERRRRY interesting out. Leber and Krebs was it for mercury I think, im not too sure…u seem to know ur shit so check that one out, u might discover something…Perry & Tyler = Thunders & Nolan, airbrushed and ready for the radio…

I agree, U2 are fucking awful and nowhere did I support em lol the animals kick ass, The Pretty Things should’ve got what the stones got, just a record company thing really, Hermans Hermits? Lol ok, don’t especially care for them…The Byrds? Too middle of the road although they’re chill out music for me really, so yeah, I guess I like them…The Yardbirds kick ass!!! (one of the best guitar players, period, point blank!) Clapton leaves a sour taste though The kinks kicked ass!!! They had it! They had that fucking attitude and it translated into their music

got some sensible answers though, evil primarily...

I agree jack daniels…but theres something to be said for stating ur opinion too huh? (in response to ur, if u don’t like it don’t listen statement)

To Rock On: well obviously, the comment relating to led zeppelin relates to their time in existence…elton john evolved? LMAO from mellow guitar to electric guitar lol theres evolution for ya, evolving suggests variation in format…he stayed within his little comfortable niche there wouldn’t u say? Throw a piano in there, someone might mistake it for a cultured form of music…and ur stones comment I don’t agree with dude, that’s not evolving…having an over-produced sound and getting other people in to make the whole thing into some warped concerto isn’t evolving…I am under no obligation to sugar-coat my opinions in fear of offending someone…being a stones/gnr fan (assuming u do like gnr) u should hardly be one to pick bones with people for offending…I didn’t say ur favourite bands r shit, I named shit bands, they happened to be ur favourites, is that my fault? I didn’t say I’m a musical God, that’s ur own assumption dude…and I wouldn’t waste my time to even piss on jagger if he was on fire, page and plant? Ok, not bad but not great either…

Spacemonkey: well ur asking the same fucking questions monkey, so ur gonna get re-worded answers…we made the best music, NOW lets make something better…THAT was the point I was making, cuz that takes courage, to play with formats rather than sticking with whats safe done and comfortable…punk sucks and rock n roll is cool? Tell me something, from a musical standpoint…wheres the difference between punk and rock n roll?

Duffsvelvetrose: uh, cuz they’re carrying on means they evolved? Wheres the reasoning behind that? Its called nostalgia, look it up…

Bax: the dead played em different? LMAO tell me, how? Dylan I agree is pretty cool in previous posts, I love a lot of his shit, MOST of it in fact.

Anahzul: u like those influences? U know what, at one point…so did I, ur not wrong for liking em, u just differ with me, one human being out of a population of billions…its cool

Spacemonkey: uh, if u notice I’ve categorically responded to each comment made towards me with a line of reasoning to back it up…and uh, how can a punk fan be a gnr fan? I dunno, u keep citing me for repeating myself so try reading for once in ur fucking life…ok, spaghetti incident was refered to by Axl as a punk cover album!!! OK? Axl Rose has citied Johnny Rotten as a MAJOR vocal influence, he even covered his song did u know wrong with Ian Astbury and Steve Jones. The entire band gnr are punk influenced…duff mckagen more than any of em, so please…if ur gonna say im repeating myself, stop making the same fucking ridiculous statements…

Gnr3267: oh so my age is ur problem? LMAO ooooh, I never knew that was against the law…fuck you, you predudice motherfucker…

Spacemonkey: ok dude, you say I “insulted” ur bands…ok, insulting is what u do when u make bland generalisations bereft of any line of reasoning…when u reason things out, its called criticism, not insult…ok, now tell me, u how am I, insulting ur influences? I might insulting terminology in reference to them but I then proceed to back up my choice of language with thoughts, reasons, references to things…u just bland generalisations…I’ve proved that I have considerable knowledge of the bands I criticise, I wouldn’t if I didn’t…now tell me, what do u know about my influences?

New York Dolls

Johnny Thunders

Sex Pistols

The Violators

The Slits

X Ray Specs

Pete Tosh

Charlie Parker

Theolonius Monk

Hank Williams

Johnny Clarke

Charles Manson

Tom Waits

Guns n Roses (although I think its fair to skip than one)

U Roy

Elvis Presley

Eddie Cochran

I Roy

Gene Vincent

Dion DiMucci

Woody Guthrie

The Ramones

Richard Hell & The Voidoids

Bob Marley

Sham 69

Public Image Limited

King Tubby

The Butthole Surfers

Meat Puppets

Leadbelly

Dr. Alimentado

Lefty Frizzell

Theres a few…so how do insult my influences without knowing what they are? Just to remind you, that hole, under ur nose, THAT ones called the mouth…talk outta that one, maybe a little less shit would come out. I don’t limit myself to genre like u do, punk I like primarily because of it’s mentality of experimentation, the problem with punk is, that much like rock n roll, it’s original intentions were lost by the barrage of imitators that waded in to latch onto it because it was so easy and simple to play.

Also, I’d like to point out, why is it that only 3 outta like 15 people who respond actually refer to a statement I’ve made and dispute it with a line of reasoning? If I repeat myself it’s because NO ONE ANSWERS…least of all you buttmonkey, Bax & Rock On are the only people that refer to the music and dispute my points, fucking TRL-ers like buttmonkey can’t come up with much better than uh…punk sucks…tell me something, can u name a punk band? Sum 41, Green Day, Offspring, noooooooo….go run to allmusic.com and get urself an education spacemonkey before u start pretending like u know what ur talkin’ about…

"I don't recall using the word sell ANYWHERE , that has nothing to do do with it it , look at a band's fan-base , it's very telling when you look at the different ages of the people at shows for some of the groups you mentioned , people from thier teens into thier 50's , great music is timeless bro and it shouldn't metter how old or long it's been around , thought you knew that"

yeah? well guess what, to be around for that long...u gotta sell records...i don't think they're awful or anything, their OK but...theres gotta be something a little more relevant to be said is all im sayin, they just become...i dunno, stale is the only word i can think of, reminiscent of something...people clinging to something that...belongs in yesterday, im not sayin they should be outlawed or no nazi shit like that but...there...this generation NEEDS desperately something relevant and contemporary.

brittany spears doesnt play her ownn insturments and has her voice computerised most of the time to make it sound good.

shes only selled well cause shes 100% commerciallism while acdc sold because they kicked ass.

and at least britney spears sounds better than your screaming fag punk bands, even though shes f-in horrible"

i think u totally misunderstood the analogy, which was relative to the selling point...not any parrallels in their music lol

"ok so as you said before it doesnt matter how good it sounds but if its been around for long it sucks.

you know why its liked for so long? because its GOOD!

so what youre telling me is that i should stop liking good music and go along with every fad that comes around no matter how gay it is, like punk because rock and roll doesnt change.... hm... well look at that one rock band..... oh yeah... GUNS N' ROSES!

and why go out of your way to change something when its been perfected?

well thanks for the shitty advice, im gonna go listen to avril lavigne now.

(that was sarcasm)

idiot"

no, if its been around for long and it doesn't change and becomes irrelevant, THEN it sucks...and try playing with this, maybe its liked for so long because nowadays can't offer any decent alternatives, meaning nothing relevant...because people keep lookin up to grandad...punk is a fad? woah, lasted kinda long for a fad hasn't it? lol try thinkin before ur fingertips hit the keyboard...something perfected gets old VERY quickly, when its done, it's great it good, appreciate it for what it is and MOVE ON...thats a very complacent and boring attitude...its perfect, so lets suck its dick for eternity...i'd rather listen to something i don't understand, figure it out, maybe learn something...what ur talking about it stalemate...

"so what ur telling me is that"

im not telling u anything, im not ur sunday school teacher, im just stating an opinion, it's ur job to figure out ur own interpretation of it's meaning, stop sitting around to be spoonfed. thats the problem i think, u think ur being told something, well ur not, im not speaking to you specifically, u came here and adressed what i wrote, not the other way around...i don't tell people, i don't force things...i state my opinion, its ur perogative to respond or ignore or, hows this for a ridiculous concept...TRY TO UNDERSTAND...it may not all be right but u know what? the only way u learn anything is by TRYING...u know, like empathy as opposed to stickin' to ur guns which is a good thing at times and fucking stupidity at other times...

Indiana...if u want a fucking grammer lesson, don't look for it on forums for rock bands...

and dude, if u didn't care...u wouldnt comment now would u, theres plenty of other threads...who sent u a fuckin invite?

theres a big difference between continuing to sell and being great ok? Britney Spears sells too, how many of your "legends" lists would she make?

there music has an immense amount to do with it...namely, the fact is hasn't changed since the 60s, they're in a time warp, they don't progress, if u care to read some of my other posts u might know that instead of commenting on something before reading the persons opinion, they've been playin the same naff rock n roll since they started, no change...just total stalemate....diggressive crap...jumpin jack flash is great, Under My Thumb is great but....40 years of it? hmm...im sorry, but thats just scary....lol they don't move, they don't go anywhere, do something knew....like gnr, from lies, to appetite, to the illusion albums their is MONUMENTAL progression musically...lyrically, in all ways...with the stones it's like they're trapped in the 60s, scared to let go in case they fall flat on their face...the only experimentation they did was psychedelia for a littttttle while around goats head soup time...and that hardly took guts, everyone was doin it in the 60s...and the fact is, with rock n roll, u sell an image and a way of life and an ideology and if u r not consistent to it then u r exposed VERY quickly...as the stones were...nostalgia is dangerous, each generation MUST do their own thing, stop lookin up to grandad...u think the hippies sucked the rock n rollers dicks? or the punks sucked the hippies dick? or the hip hop generation sucked the punks dicks? no no and no...and u know why? cuz when u do get into that kinda "weren't the good old days great?" mentality then u end up being like this fucking generation....with nothing orignal and new, no movement, no music, no soundtrack to call its own...THAT is tragic....what are the 90s and 00's gonna be remembered for? EXACTLY...lol 90s at least electronica and techno and rave made waves in certain circles, liking it is a matter of opinion but at least it was orignal and their own...what have we got? nothing, exactly...and stale digressive mentalities just encourage that.

bible thumpers? lol cocaine is a rich mans drug....punks took speed and heroin and the ones that were dedicated to it like the so called so called Toxic Twins & keith and Prick, excuse me, Mick, died taking it....not to say that thats an accolade but....they didn't know any better, they were real street people, real working class people...they didn't have that sensible switch that those with "something to lose" have where they go, ohmigod, i gotta get into rehab, i might actually be putting myself on the line for an ideology that im pedalling, theres too much invested in this whole circus...there was an innocence (plus idiocy? childlike quality) to punk where they went for it, full steam ahead...they were what they were, straight ahead...im not saying Keith and Mick'd be better off dead offa ODing but it's just one example outta many...i mean, they celebrate the keiths micks and ozzys of this world now as if all their drinkin and drug taking was waaay cool and totally rock n roll....they didn't at the time? why's that? cuz media wants to sell basically, they don't give a second fuck about their lives or any of this shit, they want publicity...mick and keith were clever enough to shake it off and get on with their buisnessmen lives....what about kids like sid vicious and johnny thunders who grew up believing that junkie shit and died for it...died for something that the keiths and micks of this world proliferating...ur responsible for a lot more than u think as a rock star...u can say, well then johnny and sid were stupid then, haha, well, maybe they believed a little in what rock n roll was pushing, the ideology...maybe they're casualities with a childlike innocence that was destroyed by rock n roll...to quote George Plimpton (he was talking about Muhammad Ali in this instance, pertaining to his parkinsons but i think it's relevant here "they say u destroy the thing u love, well it works the other way, because it destroys you too". spare a thought for the casualties of rock n roll...

dinosaur thing....."thing" meaning the whole concept is multi-faceted...old and obselete for the reason that they are aloof and they start believing their own hype...cocaine hags that end up looking like collies cuz they lived offa snow and red wine their whole lives, their heads so far up their asses they gotta pull down their collars to breathe thats not critical of their age at all...just what they did with the time...

like when u say "he's part of that whole 70s thing" it relates to numerous facets... dinosaur was a convinient metaphor, kinda like when Axl said Immigrants was a convinient encapsulation, instead of saying Joe Schmaloo from such and such 7/11

*pertaining to the immigrants and hooray for tolerance!s line in one in a million*

i'll say it again....show me where i said that. i gave categoric reasons why the stones sucked, not for "no reason" like u said...whyn't u try readin em cuz nada one of em said it was cuz they were 30 yrs ago

woah... i fucked up lol my post is 3 posts up LMAO

boooo!!!

*ducks eggs and rotten vegetables*

show me where i said that spacemonkey...i like Hank Williams too and he was around in the 40s

green day? since when were green day punk?

Led Zepplin do suck...they're part of the whole dinosaur thing, Queen, hmm, i actually kinda dig queen a little cuz they are pretty orignal but...again, aloof, stuck up...hunt me down and fight me? lol for differing with ur opinion? lol cool, knock urself out...or me, whichever comes first

running ur buisness is good, i agree with that, compromising something ur orignally stood for, that i don't agree with, Axl is buisness minded, so is Johnny Rotten, i respect em for it, but u don't see em doing about turns from what they stood for because of it. the way of the world is only the way it is because it is allowed to be, record companies exist to promote albums, they should work for the artist, not the other way around...and thats what The Stones's folly was really...Knighthoods? u ever been to england? live there? that queen robs working classes of their taxes to pay for tiaras and boats while theres millions of unemployed and the countries governed by a parliment, she's an obselete dinosaur who is basically a leech, livin' offa their shit, and mr. street fighting man jagger who claims to be the working classes masses man (just like ol' lennon) is accepting accolades from her? thats hypocritical man, thats selling out who u came from...im not shoving anything down anyones throat dude, i stated an opinion that really didn't warrant this kinda reaction but hey, im glad it did, maybe that says something about it's validity...u only really respond to things angrily when they question ur values, which is something each and every human being should constantly do so as not to become a hypocrite cuz that kinda thing can happen sometimes without people realising it. i totally respect everyones opinion, i just like to state my own if it conflicts and see as a result of it what i can learn from people...im not tryna convert here, i dunno where u get that interpretation...certain things r beyond the realm of opinion though, they enter into something called fact, which has a right also to be stated....

R&R? i have no clue what ur talking about....R&R stands for rest and recreation where i come from dude...

and i know exactly what kinda band gnr is, they're certainly not punk...although they have an amazing load of it's influences....to all the people who diss johnny thunders and love axl

"seems all our heroes were Born To Lose"

born to lose is johnny thunders most famous song...or one of em, whaddya think Axls sayin there? how'd u like gnr yet diss these guys? maybe the answer is that you guys (the ones critical of aforesaid punk bands/artists) actually don't know what GnR is about...and think it's some badge of honour if u do...fact is, none but the members of the band are qualified to say that so get over urselves...

exactly...thank you, it's just an opinion....take it for what its worth...as much as anyone else...that is to say, it's worth nothing...opinion are like assholes...everybody has one quoth Dirty Harry

thats says it all? ok, so basically...what ur sayin is, u gotta be slash or hendrix to be relevant? music belongs to the people...ok, rock gods on their stadium stages 50 ft in the air, pontificating, telling u how to dress, who to vote for, how to act is great, but if kids wanna get up and take their passion out on an instrument suddenly it's wrong? ok, u don't hafta be Joe Satriani to make good music, u just gotta have passion for what you're doing...how can u be expected to relate to the "Gods" of rock? it's insulting to your intelligence, music is free and ur stupid little rules don't mean shit, rock n roll was a reaction to stuck up stuffy adult classical shit with it's simplicity and energy....cuz thats what its about...u suck, the stones...look how simple their shit was to begin with, the beatles, the who, the kinks...these ain't punk bands...they became dinosaurs though because they became so detached from reality...from limos to hotel rooms to stage...thats not life, thats a delusion, thats how u become irrelevant and stuck up...u do not need to be a genius to play rock n roll...what do u think one of white america primary objections was? aside from it being labelled as "black person music" was that it was so simple it just sounded to them like noise...and if u don't like punk, u can't think that much of gnr...look at their influences, look at their t shirts...slash wore tons of em, The Damned, Sid Vicious, The Violators...Punk took rock n roll out of the hands of dinosaurs and made it accessible again...rock stars love when u push that "u gotta be hendrix to play" attitude cuz it means that they're safe on their mile high pedestals, untouchable...well fuck that, they're just people, just like anyone...anyone can play rock n roll...

"Punk is probably the least talented form of rock and all of it is based on attitude. So stop preaching about your shitty Punk bands who don't know fuck all about playing an instrument and go suck on a dummy you childish fucktard"

talent is somehow guaged by the solo....u can have nothing to say, as long as u surround it with a lotta musical skill, it becomes relevant...sorry, thats not good enough for me. the ability to reach people with ur art, however profficent u r, is a skill, which punk did.

rocketsredglare, you clearly know nothing about music, or music history - no, i just have an opinion...evidently that bothers u

"Elvis did not invent rock n' roll, Little Richard and his other contemporaries did" - i said invented it for the mainstream, learn to read, scroll up, check it out...u think white america at that time coulda swallowed little richard? a black guy in make up? they couldn't swallow elvis, callin it black person music and banning rock n roll records...and for ur infomation, no one person invented rock n roll, its basically an amalgamation (and this is a history book thing, not an opinion) of folk rhythm and the black blues sound...hence the name rhythm and blues...r&b (if someone says, what Destinys Child im gonna cry)

The Stones are one of the geatest rock bands EVER and influenced many musicians - why won't u show me their influence instead of just generalising

Aerosmith is also one of the great rock bands - matter of opinion

Bob Dylan is one of the greatest songwriters around - TOTALLY true

Punk was more about attitude than music, although it does have its place - agreed

"Ah, who cares.....people have their own taste in music. Although Bob and The Stones were influences on some of today's music....Aerosmith is nothing but a cheap ripoff of the Stones. But in Steven Tylers defense...any man who can stuff a whole chicken in their mouth at once....has got to be a hero in someone's eyes!!!!" Tylers an amazing lyricist, really clever word play, i never denied that, in fact i like a lotta their stuff, i think they're an amazing improvement on the stones, they're wild but...they've gotten stale is my point

"HAHA, do you really think that Rocketsredglare?, fair enough you can have you narrow minded taste" - uh, what do u know of my taste? did i outline my taste out here for u? if u don't understand what i've said, ask me, don't tell me, this isn't nazi germany...ok, lets take a shot at that though, tell me ur tastes i'll tell u mine...lets see whoose narrow minded...i've mentioned Avante Garde music, Jazz music, rock n roll as my taste...i don't think within genres like some people evidently do...so please, try to give ur ears a chance....actually listen, then maybe you'll sound like u know what ur talking about...in fact, if u notice, im tryna rally against the narrow minded rock dinosaur pushers...

and people, try backin' statements up with a logic or a line of reasoning....instead of, woah, the stones r like, totally gnarly dude, like...WOAH!!! fuck you....grow a brain

i have nothing against the stones for playing three chord rock...what i do have against the stones is what they stood for and what they became...from anti establishment to THE establishment....getting knighthoods from the queen, becoming corporate entities...thats really lame...then when the sex pistols came out, makin statements like "they can't even play, they only do three chords rock n roll" shame on u Uncle Jagger...sorry, hows that again, how'd u spell hypocrite? i think it goes M I C K

i should be banned? LMAO thats hilairious...so basically what u guys'd dig as a board is just self congratulatory back-patting everyone agreeing with each other...thats not how u discuss things, im an american, meaning i am free to have an opinion...u wanna ban me cuz i don't agree with you?

musical dexterity don't matter, it's the intensity, the FEEEEEEEEELING u put into it, and hey, LOL the stones? lol they made their fuckin bones offa 3 chords rock n roll, why don't u try buyin' their albums instead of reading rolling stone, u might know what ur talking about...the stones suck ass, they're sellouts? lol the definition of rock n roll? spare me, rock n roll's definition is black people playin' the blues and gettin nothin out of it and dyin' paupers...OK, rock n roll first of all is an american thing, the stones stole a sound basically, u wanna talk about Elvis stealing? Elvis didn't steal, when songwriters write for u and get paid, it ain't stealing...Elvis invented rock n roll for the mainstream and it would've NEVER gotten the acclaim it got without him, in fact, he defined the stance, the attitude...Mick Jagger is such a sellout its unbelievable...u think johnny thunders sucks? well guess what, ur boyfriend Axl must think a lot of him cuz he's the only dude who got 2 covers of him on Spaghetti Incident...look at Izzy for fuckssake, he's a total fucking rip off of Johnny, the way he dresses, the stuff he sings about...and Mr. Duff Mckagan....that padlock and chain, uhh... sid vicious much? and yes sid did invent that before u say anything....the bass player, the leather jacket, the elvis lip curl....duff, by his own admission loves the ny scene, people like the misfits (ATTITUDE!!!) and those people were more honest, more orignal, more true than all the stones and aerosmith superbowl 101ers put together x a million...the stones r fucking awful, old geriatrics, tryna be something that died YEARS AGO...even when they were around they sucked....i love how none of u mention the fuckin music, it's all fuckin "oh, they're so great..." why not give a little more contentious a comment?...punk (or americas corporate crap incarnation of it now) is a piece o shit, but punk is an attitude, not necessarily a style of music, its a stance, the doors had it, elvis had it, the sex pistols had it, the ramones had it, leadbelly had it, charlie patton had it, charlie parker had it, theolonious monk had it, jack kerouac had it...axl has it...it's always existed, it just took a long time for it to find a name in a musical context...u wanna talk about Elvis stealin', well what the fuck did the stones do? imported a sounded basically...ok, so bob dylan kicks ass, i must say...but again, didn't progress much did he?

struck a nerve? lol i think, if u look a little closer, i wasn't the first one to get menstrual, i just believe in talkin' to others like they talk to you but yeah, for that matter, u kinda did strike a nerve cuz i think u should be passionate about the things u believe...otherwise whats the point?

try to be a little more categoric...the stones were influential...ok, how??? tell me, i'd like to know oh aged fountain of eternal knowledge...what did they invent, what can they claim to be truly theirs?

musical dexterity don't matter, it's the intensity, the FEEEEEEEEELING u put into it, and hey, LOL the stones? lol they made their fuckin bones offa 3 chords rock n roll, why don't u try buyin' their albums instead of reading rolling stone, u might know what ur talking about...the stones suck ass, they're sellouts? lol the definition of rock n roll? spare me, rock n roll's definition is black people playin' the blues and gettin nothin out of it and dyin' paupers...OK, rock n roll first of all is an american thing, the stones stole a sound basically, u wanna talk about Elvis stealing? Elvis didn't steal, when songwriters write for u and get paid, it ain't stealing...Elvis invented rock n roll for the mainstream and it would've NEVER gotten the acclaim it got without him, in fact, he defined the stance, the attitude...Mick Jagger is such a sellout its unbelievable...u think johnny thunders sucks? well guess what, ur boyfriend Axl must think a lot of him cuz he's the only dude who got 2 covers of him on Spaghetti Incident...look at Izzy for fuckssake, he's a total fucking rip off of Johnny, the way he dresses, the stuff he sings about...and Mr. Duff Mckagan....that padlock and chain, uhh... sid vicious much? and yes sid did invent that before u say anything....the bass player, the leather jacket, the elvis lip curl....duff, by his own admission loves the ny scene, people like the misfits (ATTITUDE!!!) and those people were more honest, more orignal, more true than all the stones and aerosmith superbowl 101ers put together x a million...the stones r fucking awful, old geriatrics, tryna be something that died YEARS AGO...even when they were around they sucked....i love how none of u mention the fuckin music, it's all fuckin "oh, they're so great..." why not give a little more contentious a comment?...punk (or americas corporate crap incarnation of it now) is a piece o shit, but punk is an attitude, not necessarily a style of music, its a stance, the doors had it, elvis had it, the sex pistols had it, the ramones had it, leadbelly had it, charlie patton had it, charlie parker had it, theolonious monk had it, jack kerouac had it...axl has it...it's always existed, it just took a long time for it to find a name in a musical context...u wanna talk about Elvis stealin', well what the fuck did the stones do? imported a sounded basically...ok, so bob dylan kicks ass, i must say...but again, didn't progress much did he?