Damn_Smooth

It's a bit crazy to think that Axl couldn't work with Bucket, Bumbl or Slash, all of who are now producing some of the best work of their careers

Slash's best work was in GN'R, by far.

And we don't know how much Buckethead material is in the vault.

Agreed. He hasn't done anything close to his worst GN'R song since leaving. Anastasia, Wicked Stone and every other bullshit song his blind fanboys worship don't even come close in the real world. Hell, Slash's solo shit is the worst solo shit of any former GN'R guitarist. Sad and somewhat confusing considering he was (in my honest opinion) the best guitarist in the world when he was in Guns.

Its hard to know what's right or wrong in this case. I think riff wise, he's still there but now has too much freedom which never seems to do anyone truly gifted any good. They always overkill everything with the flavour that made them special in the first place.

He may well be the Slash you used to love down there somewhere, just buried under years of being his own boss and answering to nobody artistically.

The list is long:

Axl, Radiohead/Thom Yorke, U2, Rage against the Machine, Faith No More...all pushing hard at the end of a particular career curve with diminishing quality of output and appreciation from fans

Many breakthrough artists keep pushing their mojo until it stops being special..

Hard to know how to manage that..

True. I'm sure that having money and being content has something to do with it too. I mean, what's a guy supposed to do when he's already rich and has nothing left to prove? I'd probably be the same way myself but due to lack of talent the world will never know.

nin is complex?

No. It's edm horseshit for primate hipsters because even the hipsters have evolved enough to know for the fact that it is that NIN is no-talent whatsoever fecal matter of the most pungent magnitude.

I don't give a shit about who does or doesn't like an album but I will never in a million years understand why some people spend years on a forum stating that they don't like it on a daily basis. If somebody didn't understand that those people didn't like it the first 583,281,340,234 times that it was stated, they are never going to. The rest of us already know.

I will fight anybody that doesn't like CD in an old fashioned duel to the death using butterknives and hairpicks. Bring it bitches.

Is this supposed to be an argument for why this is a cupcake forum? All of what you wrote is more an argument for leaving the forum, not for still hanging around and trolling...

If we followed that kind of logic, this forum would have 3 active members and gnr's online community would be completely decimated. Is that what you want for the band?

How is that any worse than a small group of people bitching about the same things every day? Neither one could be considered an asset to the band in any way shape or form. Of course, in its current position, I'm not sure either one could really effect the band in any way negative or positive anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But still, let's pretend that we had a fully functioning band. How would a small group of bitchers be any better than a slightly smaller group of supporters?

Some of the other forums call this 'the cupcake forum.'

1. One album in TWENTY-FOUR YEARS.

2. Static, stale, predictable setlists.

3. Debut album played and promoted equally if not moreso than most recent album.

4. No music videos and effectively fuck-all singles/promotion generally.

5.Treating the most loyal, long-suffering hardcore fans as the enemy.

6. Implying that the people at this crock http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/feb/15/guns-n-roses-surprise-gig are just as worthy of being deemed 'hardcore fans' as us.

7. Letting the actual new band fall apart and having to promote the 'new' album with a cover band of the cover band.

8. Releasing a live CD and Blu Ray of a 2012 show with such embarrassingly weak vocals that most fans would rather watch youtube videos from '06-'10.

9. Hiding behind glasses, hats, jackets and chains for entire shows whilst phoning in performances with little energy and weak vocals.

10. Shitting the bed every time for the majority of world televised/streamed appearances from VMAs '02 to Rio '11 to Revolver '14. Meanwhile virtually no pro-shot let alone official release of the aforementioned peak-performance years of '06-'10.

11. DJ Ashba. Without resorting to insults: hired without an audition; openly mocked on stage repeatedly by Thal, Stinson and Axl for his cringeworthy solos; Ashba swag; preaching about bullies then telling an incredulous, disingenuous story about 'beating the shit out of' some guy so as to appear like a rock n' roll hardman whilst sounding like a teen boy trying to impress some older lads with a tall-tale and without having the gift of the gab; advertising Jagermeister: a drink aimed at teens and students to get smashed on; pretending to drink alcohol on stage but then spitting it out when he thinks nobody is looking. I'm not a hater, those are just facts

12. Hiring people who are privately dismissive of old Guns music i.e. Stinson and Thal whilst failing to keep people who were fans back in the day and contributed the most to the new songs i.e. Bucket, Robin and Brain.

13. No photo of the Chinese Democracy lineup.

14. Only one photo of the touring lineup.

15. No cover story/photo shoots, full band interviews in any of the major music mags like Rolling Stone, Classic Rock, Kerrang etc.

16. The picture of the recent touring lineup, minus Axl, holding 'Paradise City Road' signs.

17. DJ apparently being paid more than Thal.

18. Totally lame official site, forum and fan club.

19. Official tweets sent out by Fernando who has absolutely nothing to do with Guns'/Axl's music old or new.

20. Optimistic, positive members of online Guns fan community parrot insults like 'whiners, complainers, cupcakes' etc by GNR camp members including Jarmo and management when dealing with those of us who acknowledge the shitty reality of the whole sorry saga.

What is the point of this post? Who cares if other forums call this the cupcake forum? What does your list have to do with anything? Are you trying to rationalize why this is the "cupcake forum"?

The display of mock outrage and true butthurt over something anybody with a bit of sense about them has known for the last 15 years is incredibly hilarious. This is an early contender for thread of the year for me.

I would think 'If only they'd get rid of Slash and this Chris guy and brought Axl in, they could have a pretty sweet band.'

Blaming Team Brazil for the state of GNR is like kicking the dog cause you're mad at your spouse.

What if you just like to kick the dog because it's a mangy mutt that deserves a good kicking?

That'll teach him to fabricate a story to cover for the fact that he couldn't handle the job.

What's the over/under on number of musicians who have to leave the band before everyone just admits that Axl is nuts and impossible to work with?

Is anyone saying Axl isn't impossible to work with?

Me. Every single person he has worked with in the past has come back (or tried to come back) except for Buckethead because he's afraid of Tommy. If Axl was impossible to work with that simply wouldn't be the case. I'm sure the lack of every single thing a functioning band should do besides an occasional tour gets old, but working with him doesn't seem to be anybody's problem. Not working with him seems to be most people's actual problem.

Semantics at it's finest.

The dude is impossible to work with. That's why everyone leaves. Every single person he's worked with in the past has come back? Interesting. I guess we've been following completely different bands all these years because the band I've been following, not one fucking person has ever come back.

No, we're following the same band. You are just at the unfortunate disadvantage of not having the ability to understand things that happen right in front of you. I'm sure you were born that way though, so I accept you the way that you are.

When a former member rejoins the band get back to. Until then STFU because nobody who has ever left has ever come back.

Everyone that has left has come back to play with him which nullifies your dumbass argument the he is unbearable to work with. Until you learn to figure out what happened in the real world instead of being blinded by your undying and pathetic bitterness, STFU because nobody cares how much you wish you had a point.

When have slash and bucket been back?

Learn how to read a conversation from the beginning and you might possibly be able to understand that I already had Bucket and Slash excluded, even though Slash quite famously tried crawling back and was rejected. Twice. Once with guitar in hand. Gilby was the first to play with Axl at his own show for those stupid enough to bring him up. Sorum has said that he's open to a reunion and anybody that has a smidgen of common sense wouldn't be ridiculous enough to question what Steven would do if given the opportunity. Next?

That was the funniest thing I've seen all day. 10/10 for unintentional comedy.

What's the over/under on number of musicians who have to leave the band before everyone just admits that Axl is nuts and impossible to work with?

Is anyone saying Axl isn't impossible to work with?

Me. Every single person he has worked with in the past has come back (or tried to come back) except for Buckethead because he's afraid of Tommy. If Axl was impossible to work with that simply wouldn't be the case. I'm sure the lack of every single thing a functioning band should do besides an occasional tour gets old, but working with him doesn't seem to be anybody's problem. Not working with him seems to be most people's actual problem.

Semantics at it's finest.

The dude is impossible to work with. That's why everyone leaves. Every single person he's worked with in the past has come back? Interesting. I guess we've been following completely different bands all these years because the band I've been following, not one fucking person has ever come back.

No, we're following the same band. You are just at the unfortunate disadvantage of not having the ability to understand things that happen right in front of you. I'm sure you were born that way though, so I accept you the way that you are.

When a former member rejoins the band get back to. Until then STFU because nobody who has ever left has ever come back.

Everyone that has left has come back to play with him which nullifies your dumbass argument the he is unbearable to work with. Until you learn to figure out what happened in the real world instead of being blinded by your undying and pathetic bitterness, STFU because nobody cares how much you wish you had a point.

If he's not unbearable to work with, what has driven so many away? Sure many come back for a visit or a tour even but never back into the fold full time.

The the old line up found him unbearable that has been documented to death, resurrection and back to death again but then again he said he found them to be the same way.

It more recent decades (did I just write that?) it would be more correct to say that he has not been unbearable to work with, he just doesn't work at a creative pace that someone who wants to write and release new music and be known for such can hang around for.

Robin quit and came back or Bucket would never have been in the band. Steven would give yours and his left nuts to get back in the band. Duff and Izzy play with him enough to be considered part time members. We all know how Slash's rejection worked out. Most people that have left did so because Axl wasn't doing anything at all, not because he was being unbearable. In fact, outside of Slash and Izzy, who exactly has stated that they left because they couldn't handle Axl?

What's the over/under on number of musicians who have to leave the band before everyone just admits that Axl is nuts and impossible to work with?

Is anyone saying Axl isn't impossible to work with?

Me. Every single person he has worked with in the past has come back (or tried to come back) except for Buckethead because he's afraid of Tommy. If Axl was impossible to work with that simply wouldn't be the case. I'm sure the lack of every single thing a functioning band should do besides an occasional tour gets old, but working with him doesn't seem to be anybody's problem. Not working with him seems to be most people's actual problem.

Semantics at it's finest.

The dude is impossible to work with. That's why everyone leaves. Every single person he's worked with in the past has come back? Interesting. I guess we've been following completely different bands all these years because the band I've been following, not one fucking person has ever come back.

No, we're following the same band. You are just at the unfortunate disadvantage of not having the ability to understand things that happen right in front of you. I'm sure you were born that way though, so I accept you the way that you are.

When a former member rejoins the band get back to. Until then STFU because nobody who has ever left has ever come back.

What's the over/under on number of musicians who have to leave the band before everyone just admits that Axl is nuts and impossible to work with?

Is anyone saying Axl isn't impossible to work with?

Me. Every single person he has worked with in the past has come back (or tried to come back) except for Buckethead because he's afraid of Tommy. If Axl was impossible to work with that simply wouldn't be the case. I'm sure the lack of every single thing a functioning band should do besides an occasional tour gets old, but working with him doesn't seem to be anybody's problem. Not working with him seems to be most people's actual problem.

Semantics at it's finest.

The dude is impossible to work with. That's why everyone leaves. Every single person he's worked with in the past has come back? Interesting. I guess we've been following completely different bands all these years because the band I've been following, not one fucking person has ever come back.

No, we're following the same band. You are just at the unfortunate disadvantage of not having the ability to understand things that happen right in front of you. I'm sure you were born that way though, so I accept you the way that you are.

What's the over/under on number of musicians who have to leave the band before everyone just admits that Axl is nuts and impossible to work with?

Is anyone saying Axl isn't impossible to work with?

Me. Every single person he has worked with in the past has come back (or tried to come back) except for Buckethead because he's afraid of Tommy. If Axl was impossible to work with that simply wouldn't be the case. I'm sure the lack of every single thing a functioning band should do besides an occasional tour gets old, but working with him doesn't seem to be anybody's problem. Not working with him seems to be most people's actual problem.

I never liked that BBF guy ...

I can never sit thru 1 minute of his interviews

I suppose it's hypothetically possible that Axl is the most productive writer of all time. For all you know, I'm Axl and I've been pretending to be a high school teacher. You don't know. Prove I'm not.

Thought this was a thread on Ron bashing the GNR name, why does everyone turn everything into a 'we hate dj' post?

Because it's

a. The one thing most GnR fans agree about

b. The worst part about GnR. Ever.

Nothing like an honest reply full of facts. Nothing to argue with here.

Can't agree about both points, it's not most fans , just most people on here

The worst thing about GNR is Axl's failure to release more than one studio album since TSI was released

False.

True !

The worst part of gnr is Axl's lazy ass attitude, for me he's one of the greatest frontman ever, but he needs his ass kicking , anyway I can't wait for Axl to respond to bumble

False!

What does Axl have to respond to exactly? A joke about a burger? Because if you actually bother to press play on the video that is all this thread is about.

Do you seriously think I'd post things here without watching the video? Come on, think about it

Then what are you upset about?

Thought this was a thread on Ron bashing the GNR name, why does everyone turn everything into a 'we hate dj' post?

Because it's

a. The one thing most GnR fans agree about

b. The worst part about GnR. Ever.

Nothing like an honest reply full of facts. Nothing to argue with here.

Can't agree about both points, it's not most fans , just most people on here

The worst thing about GNR is Axl's failure to release more than one studio album since TSI was released

False.

True !

The worst part of gnr is Axl's lazy ass attitude, for me he's one of the greatest frontman ever, but he needs his ass kicking , anyway I can't wait for Axl to respond to bumble

False!

What does Axl have to respond to exactly? A joke about a burger? Because if you actually bother to press play on the video, that is all this thread is about.

I never liked that BBF guy ...

Dunno how you could never like the guy.

Too late.

Thought this was a thread on Ron bashing the GNR name, why does everyone turn everything into a 'we hate dj' post?

Because it's

a. The one thing most GnR fans agree about

b. The worst part about GnR. Ever.

Nothing like an honest reply full of facts. Nothing to argue with here.

Can't agree about both points, it's not most fans , just most people on here

The worst thing about GNR is Axl's failure to release more than one studio album since TSI was released

False.

Thought this was a thread on Ron bashing the GNR name, why does everyone turn everything into a 'we hate dj' post?

Because it's

a. The one thing most GnR fans agree about

b. The worst part about GnR. Ever.

I can't wait for Axl fans to start trashing Bumblefoot, a member of the band they completely loved up until the point of his departure.

It's funny to see how people are still thinking old school and that this is like the billboard chart and that Casey fucking Kasem is reading it on the radio "and up to number 28 this week, right behind The Zack Attack, is BBF with the pink panthe theme!"

No.

That momentary chart ranking was obviously a happy little confluence of circumstances. Like maybe 3 people bought his download at once, and not many other people bought any competing songs, in the span of maybe 20 minutes, and so Ron's shit garbage wound up at 28.

I'm absolutely certain that song has no more than maybe 100 lifetime downloads, in the entire world.