Damn_Smooth

I can never keep track of whether Axl doesn't care what people think and is therefore a badass, or cares what people think and is therefore a victim of all the mean mean hate from haters and is excused from ever having to do anything ever again. I need a flow chart.

I care deeply and will be severely butthurt if you don't vote no in my poll for both options and make yourself look retarded for lying.

True story.

You choose, you decide.

Everything Axl and the Band did just suck, in the opionion of most people here. So tell me where would be your motivation of doing something new?

Lolwut

According to most (not all) of the posters here, CD and the touring since '11 suck. Do you disagree with that?

I disagree with it on the grounds that it isn't true.

Plenty of users here like CD and plenty of users here have enjoyed some concerts since 2011.

We need a poll.

Everything Axl and the Band did just suck, in the opionion of most people here. So tell me where would be your motivation of doing something new?

Lolwut

According to most (not all) of the posters here, CD and the touring since '11 suck. Do you disagree with that?

lol everybody

Sorry... I felt left out.

And what points would those be? This is just some ranting from an old man who's pissed off that he's irrelevant.

That pop music does indeed suck, I believe.

Hope Nash don't pull a quad getting to the podium.

I hope he does, he sold that like a fucking champ too.

It exploded so hard it broke up the WWE version of the nWo.

Yup, remember Vince coming down to the NWO music the next week and promising we'd never hear that music again. Shawn could have carried it until Nash was better, but with Hogan's pretty much forced turn and Hall already being gone I guess it wasn't really worth it.

I think that Toronto crowd really threw such a wrench in their plans of making nWo a thing. Suddenly the entire Skydome is cheering for Hogan like he was wearing yellow and red, and it was never the same again, despite their best efforts to be hated.

Yeah. I've always wondered what the reaction would have been had it been Austin instead of Rock. In the weeks leading up to 'mania everyone that touched Hogan (including the Rock) was getting booed heavily except for Austin in the few times they interacted. I guess they'd have eventually had to turn him face anyway but maybe they could have extended his NWO run a bit longer.

Hope Nash don't pull a quad getting to the podium.

I hope he does, he sold that like a fucking champ too.

It exploded so hard it broke up the WWE version of the nWo.

Yup, remember Vince coming down to the NWO music the next week and promising we'd never hear that music again. Shawn could have carried it until Nash was better, but with Hogan's pretty much forced turn and Hall already being gone I guess it wasn't really worth it.

Hope Nash don't pull a quad getting to the podium.

I hope he does, he sold that like a fucking champ too.

What in the absolute fuck is this crazy person talking about?

Pop sucking ass like it does, I believe.

I am one of probably one people that are a huge fan of Nash's in ring work including and especially the fingerpoke of doom (He sold that like a fucking champ and I marked out like a 12 year old girl) so this is great news for me if true.

But that's not what we're saying. The guitar solos on Chinese were copy/pasted to some degree by Axl and Caram, to various degrees. Most of it was put together in the studio and manipulated by Axl.

Not just because he did it on the demo, but cause Bumble said 90% of the guitar solos on the album were copy/pasted.

If that's the case, Axl and Caram get an arrangement credit, and not necessarily a songwriter credit (speaking strictly about guitar solos/parts).

Mixing/editing ≠ songwriting. If that were the case, Kanye should be considered one of the greatest songwriters of all time.

What? but do you first get what is the case though? the case is Axl had a part in the creative process of putting together guitar solos for Chinese. At least some of them, and at least to some extent.

That's all I'm saying. They had something to do with it, cannot be denied. Something like the Catcher demo solo wouldn't exist without Axl and his engineer, even though May is still responsible for the initial idea.

You're attributing things to Axl that may or may not have been. Simply splicing certain contributions from one guitarist to the next for one particular solo is more akin to what a DJ (no, not Ashba) does when it comes to mixing songs. Unless Axl was picking up the guitar himself or digitally altering a guitar melody by adding or subtracting notes/strums, I'm not sure I agree with your analysis. TWAT is a good example of where Robin and Bucket put down the foundation for the solo, and Axl added Bumblefoot's contribution by splicing it in. Again, if we're strictly speaking from an instrumental perspective, I'm not sure how much credit Axl gets from a creative perspective. It's why there are such things as producer and mixing credits on an album. It sounds to me that you're conflating the notions of producing, songwriting, and mixing.

If that's the case, Axl and Caram get an arrangement credit, and not necessarily a songwriter credit (speaking strictly about guitar solos/parts).

Mixing/editing ≠ songwriting. If that were the case, Kanye should be considered one of the greatest songwriters of all time.

Caram did nothing besides show Axl how to work the controls. CD is a solo album.

Yeah, and Yoko Ono wrote Imagine.

Must be why it was such a shitty song.

Can I get some quotes from Bucket and/or Finck saying that any of their great parts on CD were unrecognizable to them, please?

Can I get some quotes from Bucket or Finck saying that they recognize all their great parts on CD, please?

That's ridiculous on every level. I can't believe you wrote it, actually.

Never mind, you guys. I get it. An unreleased demo of a song that had a solo from a guy who's not even on the album had its solo made unrecognizable to the guitarist, so that gives us license to say that was done with all of Bucket and Finck's work. Flawless logic.

But that's not what we're saying. The guitar solos on Chinese were copy/pasted to some degree by Axl and Caram, to various degrees. Most of it was put together in the studio and manipulated by Axl.

Not just because he did it on the demo, but cause Bumble said 90% of the guitar solos on the album were copy/pasted.

If that's the case, Axl and Caram get an arrangement credit, and not necessarily a songwriter credit (speaking strictly about guitar solos/parts).

Mixing/editing ≠ songwriting. If that were the case, Kanye should be considered one of the greatest songwriters of all time.

Caram did nothing besides show Axl how to work the controls. CD is a solo album.

Of course I'm not saying he didn't copy/paste. Listen to the album. It often sounds terrible because of just that. But copy/paste does not mean he completely dismantled and rearranged their guitar work. Does copy/paste mean microseconds of various guitar work thrown together? Does it mean copy/pasting 10 seconds of guitar work? 20? 30? We don't know.

Regardless, I know what you guys want to hear. Axl's guitar solo on TWAT is really fuckin' good. I'm so glad he wrote and recorded it.

Nah, I agree, we don't know which specific solos were copy/pasted by Axl if at all, and to what extent.

But... someone who recorded on the album says 90% of it was manipulated to some extent by Axl. Doesn't mean entire sections of every solo, but we know he has the ability to do that if he wants to and Axl likes pro tools and has control issues as an artist as well.

I think Axl was more concerned with the important parts of the album, like fart and elephant sounds, and Chinese people talking.

That was from 2004-2008. After he'd already done his guitar parts.

Of course I'm not saying he didn't copy/paste. Listen to the album. It often sounds terrible because of just that. But copy/paste does not mean he completely dismantled and rearranged their guitar work. Does copy/paste mean microseconds of various guitar work thrown together? Does it mean copy/pasting 10 seconds of guitar work? 20? 30? We don't know.

Regardless, I know what you guys want to hear. Axl's guitar solo on TWAT is really fuckin' good. I'm so glad he wrote and recorded it.

See, I knew you had it in you to give credit where it's due.

Can I get some quotes from Bucket and/or Finck saying that any of their great parts on CD were unrecognizable to them, please?

Can I get some quotes from Bucket or Finck saying that they recognize all their great parts on CD, please?

That's ridiculous on every level. I can't believe you wrote it, actually.

Never mind, you guys. I get it. An unreleased demo of a song that had a solo from a guy who's not even on the album had its solo made unrecognizable to the guitarist, so that gives us license to say that was done with all of Bucket and Finck's work. Flawless logic.

Glad you've finally come to your senses and agree that Axl is now a better guitar player than Slash. Congratulations.

Can I get some quotes from Bucket and/or Finck saying that any of their great parts on CD were unrecognizable to them, please?

Can I get some quotes from Bucket or Finck saying that they recognize all their great parts on CD, please?

So if I copy/paste selections of text from a great writer, I get the credit? I didn't know it worked like that. I'm about to be a literary sensation.

If you make something awesome that the original author never intended and it is unrecognizable to him, you deserve credit too. I'm looking forward to reading your novel.

So we're giving Axl the credit for Bucket's guitar work?

Yes, I am. Robin's too. Everybody knows for a fact that he stitched the guitar work together himself, so he gets credit. Axl is a better guitarist than Slash now.

Just wondering if any of the people that love any of Slash's post Gun's wretched pig vomit yet love to make fun of CD's lyrics understand the severely cringeworthy shit they somehow enjoy listening to? From IFOCS to Contraband to WOF, every single album he's released has made the lyrics of CD look like Shakespeare in comparison, bar none. Axl also patched together guitar solos by himself from Bucket and Robin playing notes that compare to anything Slash has done so it's not like the guitar can be the reason anyone decides to praise any of that crap over CD, so what is the deal? I don't want to say blind fanboyism...nah, actually I do. It's the only logical explanation.

Or people just have different musical tastes than you do?

Just because you don't personally like something doesn't mean that it is pig vomit or bad or that people who like it don't have taste or are fan boys. It just means that all people don't have the same musical taste as you.

No real need to insult people over it

Yes there is.

Everyone needs to get back on topic. Please keep conversation limited to the various albums listed by the OP.

We have enough Axl v. Slash threads.

Thanks!

Sorry Downzy.

Just wondering if any of the people that love any of Slash's post Gun's wretched pig vomit yet love to make fun of CD's lyrics understand the severely cringeworthy shit they somehow enjoy listening to? From IFOCS to Contraband to WOF, every single album he's released has made the lyrics of CD look like Shakespeare in comparison, bar none. Axl also patched together guitar solos by himself from Bucket and Robin playing notes that compare to anything Slash has done so it's not like the guitar can be the reason anyone decides to praise any of that crap over CD, so what is the deal? I don't want to say blind fanboyism...nah, actually I do. It's the only logical explanation.

Or people just have different musical tastes than you do?

Just because you don't personally like something doesn't mean that it is pig vomit or bad or that people who like it don't have taste or are fan boys. It just means that all people don't have the same musical taste as you.

No real need to insult people over it

You'd at least have to agree Slash's post Guns work was not as good as when he was in Guns.

I like some of his post Guns stuff. The lyrics are horrid in every one of his solo albums and Chinese not only contains better songs, but also great solos.

But yeah, different tastes and all that shit.

I'd agree that no member from the first couple line-ups have released anything as good as they did during GnR's hey-day. That includes Slash, Axl, Duff, Izzy, Adler, Sorum, etc.

But that is just my own personal preference and opinion.

CD is one of my 10 favorite albums of all time. Again - personal preference. Lots of people think that VR was better than the current GnR. And depending on what "numbers" you want to use, VR was just as successful as GnR has been post-Slash.

I don't personally like a lot that Slash has done post-GnR. Again, personal preference. But I admire the hell out of the guy for the way he treats his fans. Dude releases new music every couple years and is very active on social media and does tons of interviews for his fans to enjoy. All things that you cannot say about Axl.

Obviously DS is trolling. Which I guess some people think is funny. But in terms of arguing or insulting people over one's PERSONAL PREFERENCE about music just seems weird to me. How do people argue about what types of music they like compared to what others like? Makes no sense to me, most people stop doing that stuff when they move from junior high to high school.

Finally - it's not really a competition, is it? I'm glad Slash is out there releasing music (and interviews) for his fans to enjoy. I wish Axl - my favorite rock singer of all time - would do the same thing.

*****

Again - love Chinese Democracy to death and cannot wait for another album. Hopefully Axl will share 3-4 more albums before he calls it quits.

You're a cupcake.

Just wondering if any of the people that love any of Slash's post Gun's wretched pig vomit yet love to make fun of CD's lyrics understand the severely cringeworthy shit they somehow enjoy listening to? From IFOCS to Contraband to WOF, every single album he's released has made the lyrics of CD look like Shakespeare in comparison, bar none. Axl also patched together guitar solos by himself from Bucket and Robin playing notes that compare to anything Slash has done so it's not like the guitar can be the reason anyone decides to praise any of that crap over CD, so what is the deal? I don't want to say blind fanboyism...nah, actually I do. It's the only logical explanation.

I don't know the answer. I think Slash's post GNR work aside from a few Snakepit songs and a few songs from his solo album with various singers sucks to the nth degree both musically and lyrically.

At the same time, I think CD's lyrics are some of the worst set of lyrics I've ever heard. And aside from This I Love, Prostitute and Madagascar, I think the album sucks musically.

Axl's TWAT solo is better than Slash's Anastasia solo.

Some people here will tell you Bucket has no problem coming up with solos much better then his Twat outro on his own. This is horseshit.

Bucket's solo work is good, but the quality is not as consistent compared to his work on Chinese. It's not like he can come up with shit as good as Chinese in his sleep. More often then not it's not as good or focused. He doesn't take the time to labor over every note like Axl does. He just improvises, records the shit, and releases it.

Yeah, I completely agree with that statement. Regardless of what some people like to pretend, Axl has brought out the absolute best in every guitarist he has written an album with. Wish we would have got to see what he could have brought out of Ron. Still have no faith that he can make DJ worth a shit, but maybe someday we'll see.

Just wondering if any of the people that love any of Slash's post Gun's wretched pig vomit yet love to make fun of CD's lyrics understand the severely cringeworthy shit they somehow enjoy listening to? From IFOCS to Contraband to WOF, every single album he's released has made the lyrics of CD look like Shakespeare in comparison, bar none. Axl also patched together guitar solos by himself from Bucket and Robin playing notes that compare to anything Slash has done so it's not like the guitar can be the reason anyone decides to praise any of that crap over CD, so what is the deal? I don't want to say blind fanboyism...nah, actually I do. It's the only logical explanation.

I don't know the answer. I think Slash's post GNR work aside from a few Snakepit songs and a few songs from his solo album with various singers sucks to the nth degree both musically and lyrically.

At the same time, I think CD's lyrics are some of the worst set of lyrics I've ever heard. And aside from This I Love, Prostitute and Madagascar, I think the album sucks musically.

Axl's TWAT solo is better than Slash's Anastasia solo.

Just wondering if any of the people that love any of Slash's post Gun's wretched pig vomit yet love to make fun of CD's lyrics understand the severely cringeworthy shit they somehow enjoy listening to? From IFOCS to Contraband to WOF, every single album he's released has made the lyrics of CD look like Shakespeare in comparison, bar none. Axl also patched together guitar solos by himself from Bucket and Robin playing notes that compare to anything Slash has done so it's not like the guitar can be the reason anyone decides to praise any of that crap over CD, so what is the deal? I don't want to say blind fanboyism...nah, actually I do. It's the only logical explanation.

If Reigns failed a drug test do you really think they'd suspend him now? That's less likely right now than Triple H/John Cena/Undertaker or even Lesnar himself at the minute, there was obviously always people who were untouchable when it came to stuff like this. There's no way.

If Reigns did, it's more shocking the info got out. I could see why Lesnar would be pissed off though.

They took the belt away from RVD for getting busted with a little bit of weed right after he won it, they should sure as hell suspend Reigns and make the title match into something that the vast majority of fans actually want to see. At least RVD could wrestle.