Kapitch_77

My memory failed me.. I found the quote but there are 2 versions, probably because it's a translation of a portugese interview. Anyway she said that Slash music post gnr was horrible...

Slash's last recordings were horrible, and Axl wanted something better for the new songs. You cant make the same music you used to make when you were 15 years old.

Slash last records were terrible, and Axl wanted to do something more advanced for the new generations. You can't remain in the same music style you were 15 years ago.

I wonder exactly how much Del lives in genuine fear of Beta and her children. It must be nerve-racking to know that literally one conversation which Axl could lead to his termination, with the pull they seemingly have over him. The Slash-bashing and anti-leak statements should come as no surprise.

Like Marc said, Beta hates Slash more than Axl does. I can't imagine why...

Beta tried to insult Slash in a interview once.. saying that he played like a 9 years old or something like that.... Isn't she the one who posted the picture of the woman with the flag that said "Dj is better than the old one" also? Laughable.

Did you hear what Marc said about Del turning away Adler at a GN'R gig, and Axl, changing the order when he heard about it (and sharing a bottle of tequilla with Adler)? I think that is how these people - Del, Team Brazil, Jarmo (on his forum) - operate. The try to remove anything under the sun which could potentially anger Axl. But, as seen in this incident, sometimes Axl is not bothered!

It reminds me when Duff and Axl met in 2010 in a hotel. Duff wrote in his book that he went to see Axl in his room but someone from his entourage (he didn't mentioned who) said to him that Axl was about to take a shower, to come back later. Duff replied "I saw him naked before". Turns out just after he said that Axl opened the door and welcomed Duff.

Maybe Slash and Duff were not always cool with Del I don't know, but maybe (again, I don't know) they were acting that way because they could see that Axl's entourage was begining to act like yesmen and they didn't apreciate it.

And exactly how many times do we have to listen the album to fully appreciate it? Because I heard the songs at least a dozen times and I still don't like it.

Why are nuguns songs getting on my nerves? Must be psychological. I'm serious, every songs get on my nerves.. I'm not sure why, I think it's the melodies.

If you think that a GNR song led by Tommy Stinson couldn't get airplay, then clearly you have no understanding of the renewed relevance of The Replacements. When The Replacements reunited, it was easily more relevant than anything GNR has done in the past five years and perhaps longer.

Most people in North America have never even heard of The Replacements. And none of their songs ever get played on regular radio.

I never heard of the Replacements till someone on this forum talked about it. They must popular in Europe I guess...

Every track had potential, but there is something that ruins it on each. I won't go into details but I hate something on every song so I'm not able to enjoy that album.

No my thoughts haven't changed.

Many good tracks but I never liked those songs:

Since I don't have you

Attitude (live or on the album)

You can't put your arms around a memory (not terrible but average)

Look at your game girl (that song shouldnt've been on the album at all)

The others are pretty good.

If we take the best stuff from Izzy, Duff and Slash and melt it together with Axl's vocals it would surely produce great music. If that band could've stayed together, without the drama, they really could've been, like some used to say, the next Rolling Stones. The chemistry they had together was incredible. Too bad for rock music fans that the band fell apart.

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven all have played together before the name Guns N Roses even existed, not at the same time, but Axl sang with Slash and Steven, Slash and Izzy played together, ect. In that period players were changing band all the time. We can say it was circumstances that Slash and Steven joined GNR, it really could have been Axl and Izzy joining Slash.. doesn't matter one bit.

AFD, Lies, UYI 1, UYI 2, all these albums contains Axl, Izzy, Slash and Duff. This is GNR, the real band that created those great album. Nobody give a fuck about Ole or tracci or whatever their name is.

What was the name of the band that Axl, Traci and Izzy started then?

The name is Guns N' Roses. Why are you asking this?

Because from your post it seemed you wouldn't acknowledge that Guns N' Roses existed before the AFD lineup.

I that case you didn't quite understand what I meant. The band that made an impact is... well I don't even have to tell you what band I'm talking about, come on.

The band that preceded, the one with Ole and Tracii and the other, I don't even know his name... doesn't matter one second.

ChiDem ahead of Appetite and way ahead of the rest? Is this real life?

The vast majority of people who were fan in the early days don't come to this forum and don't follow the band anymore, I think that could explain it.

So most here are newew fans?

God I feel old.

New fans or fans that still support Axl's vision... If it was a real poll, not a poll on a forum, I seriously doubt that CD would lead the poll as the best gnr album..

We're not asked to choose the best album, but the one that we like best.

I voted UYI 1 because it's my favorite, and to me it's the best, that's why I chose it. Isn't the same thing? If you think not I'll rephrase my first sentence:

If it was a real poll, not a poll on a forum, I seriously doubt that people's favorite album would be CD.

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven all have played together before the name Guns N Roses even existed, not at the same time, but Axl sang with Slash and Steven, Slash and Izzy played together, ect. In that period players were changing band all the time. We can say it was circumstances that Slash and Steven joined GNR, it really could have been Axl and Izzy joining Slash.. doesn't matter one bit.

AFD, Lies, UYI 1, UYI 2, all these albums contains Axl, Izzy, Slash and Duff. This is GNR, the real band that created those great album. Nobody give a fuck about Ole or tracci or whatever their name is.

What was the name of the band that Axl, Traci and Izzy started then?

The name is Guns N' Roses. Why are you asking this?

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven all have played together before the name Guns N Roses even existed, not at the same time, but Axl sang with Slash and Steven, Slash and Izzy played together, ect. In that period players were changing band all the time. We can say it was circumstances that Slash and Steven joined GNR, it really could have been Axl and Izzy joining Slash.. doesn't matter one bit.

AFD, Lies, UYI 1, UYI 2, all these albums contains Axl, Izzy, Slash and Duff. This is GNR, the real band that created those great album. Nobody give a fuck about Ole or tracci or whatever their name is.

If Dizzy doesn't feel stupid playing bongos on WTTJ I don't think Axl should leave the stage either.

ChiDem ahead of Appetite and way ahead of the rest? Is this real life?

The vast majority of people who were fan in the early days don't come to this forum and don't follow the band anymore, I think that could explain it.

So most here are newew fans?

God I feel old.

New fans or fans that still support Axl's vision... If it was a real poll, not a poll on a forum, I seriously doubt that CD would lead the poll as the best gnr album..

ChiDem ahead of Appetite and way ahead of the rest? Is this real life?

The vast majority of people who were fan in the early days don't come to this forum and don't follow the band anymore, I think that could explain it.

UYI 1 for me. Great album from start to finish.

It's like saying there was a Metallica before Cliff Burton, Dave Mustain and Kirk Hammet. Can't you see what's absurd in this statement?

Sure. Putting Dave Mustaine and Kirk Hammett in the same sentence.

There were just Lars and James in the begining, they recorded some stuff just the 2 of them, Lars played drums and James everything else (bass, lead, rythme). Anyway, I could name other bands other than Metallica if you don't like my exemple, but I'm sure you get my point.

Sure I do! But don't you ever forget Lloyd Grant.

Well thank you, I googled his name because I never heard of him... I didn't know this guy played with Metallica at some point.

I just don't understand Axl. He made life hard on his old bandmates and drove them away for... for creating the kind of music we're hearing now? Going Down is not even on par with the worst songs on UYI so what the hell? But I think Axl doesn't even know to this day what kind of music he wants to make. According to different sources Axl wanted to grow and evolve after the UYI albums yet he told in 99 that he wanted to make another AFD but wasn't allowed to do it because of Slash (wtf?).

When did Axl say he wanted to make another AFD because of Slash? Would like to read that interview.

His interview with Kurt Loder from '99 is on youtube. He says he wanted to make an AFD style record, Kurt asks what prevented him from doing that, and his answer is "Slash."

I think i meant that without slash he couldnt get the afd sound on record so the absence of slash was preventing him to do another afd

"I originally wanted to make a traditional record or try to get back to an Appetite thing or something" -Axl

He had Slash in "his" band, but he wanted to evolve into I don't know what... why saying, after Slash is gone, that he wanted to make another AFD? Makes no sense.

I think what he was saying is that he was willing to make another AFD style album but he wanted Slash to improve upon the material he gave him. Like when Slash handed over the stuff that eventually became his solo album, Axl liked a couple of songs but wanted to re-tool them. Slash wasn't having that because as far as he was concerned, the songs were complete; there was nothing to improve upon.

Ok so since he couldn't make an AFD record he just decided to record a song like Oh my God? And then hire the guitarist form NIN and hire Pittman on synth? Hard to believe in my opinion. I think Axl just spoke out of his ass and wanted to blame Slash for whatever reason.

It's like saying there was a Metallica before Cliff Burton, Dave Mustain and Kirk Hammet. Can't you see what's absurd in this statement?

Sure. Putting Dave Mustaine and Kirk Hammett in the same sentence.

There were just Lars and James in the begining, they recorded some stuff just the 2 of them, Lars played drums and James everything else (bass, lead, rythme). Anyway, I could name other bands other than Metallica if you don't like my exemple, but I'm sure you get my point.

GNR is done, Slash won.

Keeping the name added a lot of pressure on Axl's shoulders. I think he didn't really realise that until it was too late to change his mind. The others just have to do whatever they want to do... Axl probably wanted to create something great but you can't duplicate what the real band could achieve. Chemistry is not something you can control and say "Oh I'll get this guy from this band and that guy from that band and this guy... that'll sound great". Doesn't work like that at all.

It's like saying there was a Metallica before Cliff Burton, Dave Mustain and Kirk Hammet. Can't you see what's absurd in this statement?

there was GNR before Slash , Duff , and Steven

Yea?

Not in the eyes of the real world.

No no, you're wrong, there were others guys in the band for.. like, 4 or 5 months, and the band was just as good, if not better, than the band who made AFD.

(sarcasm)

I just don't understand Axl. He made life hard on his old bandmates and drove them away for... for creating the kind of music we're hearing now? Going Down is not even on par with the worst songs on UYI so what the hell? But I think Axl doesn't even know to this day what kind of music he wants to make. According to different sources Axl wanted to grow and evolve after the UYI albums yet he told in 99 that he wanted to make another AFD but wasn't allowed to do it because of Slash (wtf?).

When did Axl say he wanted to make another AFD because of Slash? Would like to read that interview.

His interview with Kurt Loder from '99 is on youtube. He says he wanted to make an AFD style record, Kurt asks what prevented him from doing that, and his answer is "Slash."

I think i meant that without slash he couldnt get the afd sound on record so the absence of slash was preventing him to do another afd

"I originally wanted to make a traditional record or try to get back to an Appetite thing or something" -Axl

He had Slash in "his" band, but he wanted to evolve into I don't know what... why saying, after Slash is gone, that he wanted to make another AFD? Makes no sense.

Honestly, I don't think he's as talented as people make out. If he was half the songwriter people believe him to be, he would have put out a solo album. Instead he hides behind the GNR name, clings to the old hits, and blames everyone around him for his failings. The truth is staring people in the face, they just don't want to see it. He is not, never has been, and never will be, a songwriter in the mould of Cobain, Yorke, Gallagher, White etc.. He is heavily reliant upon being part of a group, and musically, he was carried by GNR, more than people want to realise.

I agree^^, good post.