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30 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

Where would we lessers be without your weight of judgement upon us and this thread. 

Thank you for your points, your points are very important to us, your points are the next points we will respond to, please return when this thread hits 100 pages, thank you. 

 

(It’s a thread about the possibility of new music and what the band could and do sound like, I don’t think anyone here would have the ego to think what they say makes a difference to the band, we’re talking crap about a band, like we do on other bands forums most likely while sitting on the bus)

 

 

It's not that people think they have a say, it's that they think they should have a say, I think. I don't know, people seem to think if they personally want someone in the band that any legitimate reasons why they're not shouldn't count. Like, Alder's an obnoxious liability that the people in the band know enough to believe is an obnoxious liability but they shouldn't care about that because STEVEN SHOULD BE IN THE BAND!

5 minutes ago, Ant said:

That's my version of articulating the Izzy position as I've discerned it. 

Again I think it's possible to disagree, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as you do.

I didn't see that comment earlier.

I mean, I can see both sides of it. Izzy doesn't want to be treated like an employee, or lesser than the other guys that he started the band with. And he shouldn't be. I don't think he should be treated like a Fortus or be dictated too, he should have had the same mutual respect and understanding that Axl/Slash/Duff seem to have come to. 

But if he thinks he deserves "equal loot" because they're just simply all original members so they're on the same level, he's just wrong. How is it fair to Axl/Slash/Duff to have already paid this guy for his share and now have him expect to cash in on what they've been controlling and negotiation and making happen when he was sitting around wanting nothing to do with it until there was significant "loot" to be had?

4 minutes ago, Ant said:

Those points have been refuted; he's ignoring Izzy's rationale for doing so. Izzy is on record saying he doesn't have a problem with touring! It's the structure of the tour / business of the band. I think people are just talking past each-other at this point  . 

I'm very skeptical that Izzy would sign up for years of world touring. I think his history suggests he wouldn't, but we don't know that was the reason. For me, it's a simple as he cashed out his GNR chips when he wanted to be bought out and leave the band so why should be profit again and be paid the same as the people who didn't? 

3 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

ok great did you contract a market research company to conduct surveys? if so please share these results i am intrigued 

because nobody cheered Adler on like maniacs when he surprised everyone in CINCINATI they just thought he was some guy .. 

Mr. NITL Policeman 

Sure.

The NITL tour has grossed $563 million. Because nobody cared if Steven Adler was there or not. 

9 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

you're right! 

Izzy sucks 

and adler more 

 

fortus, melissa and frankie bear will go down in history as way better 

now where's my VIP ticket to meet Dizzy Reed?!!! 

Why can't you just acknowledge or try to refute his actual points? Nobody said Izzy sucks. They said he has a history of flaking out and not wanting to commit to long-term plans. 

And you can be sarcastic about Fortus, Melissa and Frank all you want but nobody cares about Steven Adler anymore than they do them. 

5 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

According to some people it was because Duff and Slash toured more than Izzy during their years OUTSIDE of Guns lol... Then there are people that say that Duff and Slash were part of some partnership that helped run Guns N' Roses during the dark 23 year period.. That is such bullshit... I would like to see what they actually did during those years in regards to Guns.. To me it seemed like they were more focused on Velvet Revolver, Loaded, Snakepit, Neurotic Outsiders and SMKC... Guns N' Roses were irrelevant for 23 years.. What could they have been doing aside from the input they had on Live Era?

I fail to see how it's "bullshit" that Axl/Slash/Duff were in "some partnership". It's literally what happened. I mean, I get it, you don't seem to think the 3 people who legally owned and operated the brand should be more entitled to "loot" that those who didn't but that's not, you know, reality or realistic. 

As for what they actually did during those years, look up the various lawsuits they were on the same or opposite side of, or anytime a GNR song was licensed, or Live Era, or deciding which logos could be used, etc.....This may be hard to understand but it's possible for Slash to be in Velvet Revolver and still legally entitled to control how his previous work in GNR is used at the same time.

3 hours ago, janrichmond said:

 

 

We don't know this as a fact do we?

No, but it pretty plausible that once Duff and Axl reconnected they probably discussed Slash at some point, doesn't it? 

1 hour ago, KURT19 said:

In what world does Duff deserve more money than Izzy?

Seriously.

In the world where Duff took part in managing the GNR brand and paying legal fees associated with doing it for 20 years and helped mend fences between Slash and Axl.  

I think Izzy should get more than Fortus is getting but not what Axl/Slash/Duff are getting. "He wrote the song" doesn't matter to me. Nobody denies he did and he gets his royalties for doing so. 

But nobody's ever given any logical explanation as to why he should be able to sell his share for profit and then profit again as if he didn't sell it other than because that's what it'll take to get him there and you want him there.

10 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

you guys are trying to use Slash and Duff as if they're agreeing to all this 

Axl is the majority guy it's his decision not a group decision 

FUCK!!! 

Well that's a good way for you to not have to acknowledge that the people you like in the band don't share your opinion. They're lying! It's a conspiracy! Just because they say they like Frank doesn't mean they do because you don't so if you don't how could they like him?

8 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

Nothing wrong with him? LOL 

ok...let's keep him i like the out of rhythm hammers and extra fills and non conducive proficiency on estranged/rocket queen/brownstone/don't cry/its so easy/NR etc etc 

i think it's the way axl wants him to do it so every song is rushed and they can just plow through the concerts without any consideration on the ear-  the other guys just passive its $ $ $ 

Frank is the WORST drummer the band has had 

At the end of the day, Axl/Slash/Duff are, you know, in Guns N'Roses, so if Frank's good enough for them, that's what matters. They're allowed to choose who's in their own band.

And if they wanted to end the show sooner, they could just play, you know, fewer songs. 

2 hours ago, shotsfired cro said:

Very simple and straight forward.  If it wasn't for his coworking - they would have nothing to manage.

Several years back, Marc Canter spoke here how each individual had input on every song, no matter who was credited in the end.

But if everyone had input on every song why is it only Izzy's input you think is so essential and important? 

He wanted out of the band, sold his share and washed his hands of it. That's why he's not entitled to the same money Axl/Slash/Duff are. It's easy to waltz back in after the other guys do the work and expect a cut of it.

7 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

Ill take it you’d be happy with NITL tour continuing indefinitely with the same set list and no new tunes? 

 

I wouldn't say I'd be happy with it but if that's what they want to do, that's what they want to do. They're allowed, it's their career, their decisions.

3 minutes ago, Ant said:

You’re inferring that they find Adler obnoxious based on your read of his behavior and a few comments. Slash was cancer, Duff was spineless, Axl was insane. People get over stuff, too.

Your assertion isn’t any more likely than Axl still hates him for making him appear in court in a teal suit and Slash and Duff just want to be able to play baseball stadiums again and thus won’t push their luck. 

We don’t know — But your ragging on him looks bad! 

You're right, I'm connecting dots, I guess, but it's based on how he acts, the picture he paints at times, comments he's made and just in general how they seem to act today vs how he seems to act today. 

I'm assuming, sure, but I don't think it's crazy to think they may find his whining and constant suggestions to make life be 1989 again obnoxious.

3 hours ago, WhazUp said:

That is why I wish GNR would go on Stern or any long-form interview and just casually talk about everything from the breakup to getting back together

I would too, but, they seem to be making a point of not talking about things and not letting the media in on their private conversations and relationship and I respect that. Whether they're right or wrong they do seem to believe the media twisting things played a role in their feud. 

3 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Are you too mentally challenged to find the ignore user button? Well I am going to do it right now so I never have to see you again.

And to be clear, the great crime I've committed is that I don't agree with you. Fair enough. It's good to see that you can understand the concept of not wanting to be around someone you dislike or find obnoxious to be around. You should be able to understand why Adler's not in GNR now then.

1 minute ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

yes b/c all duff sees is money

just like he suspicously 'ran' into axl in london to mend fences 

Is it Duff or Izzy that won't take part in the reunion tour because they're not getting paid enough?

4 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

thanks for educating me you must be his brother to know this kind of intel 

whats his favorite colour? 

It depends. What's your favorite color? Because I have a feeling if Izzy's favorite color isn't the same as yours you're not going to believe me. 

2 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Anyway, whatever they did during the 23 year hiatus really doesn't have any bearing on things prior to the reunion. Axl and Slash may be the face of the band but they wouldn't have went anywhere without Izzy. He was certainly far more valuable and worth more than Duff lol...

Yes, if you're writing an album 30 years ago, Izzy's more important than Duff.

But if you're trying to mend fences between Axl and Slash, and negotiate a lucrative reunion tour, and manage the details of making that tour work in 2016 and onward, Duff is more valuable than Izzy.

1 minute ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

those aren't the facts the facts are they were too greedy to give him the loot - not his reliability - when has that been a factor? other than him quitting cause axl pushed him out?? thanks but no thanks sir

Fine, let me ask you this -

Should Izzy have to buy back in to get an equal cut? Because they did pay him for his share of the partnership. Because selling something for a profit, and then profiting from it like you never sold it, doesn't really seem fair, does it? 

1 minute ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

thanks i know how to read between the lines - they didn't want him to sing and hes so media shy they they take advantage of that by passively throwing him under the bus just like they've been doing in NITL 

"I think he wanted to come in, like, 'Let's go out on tour right away! I've got eight songs, let's go! We'll do some covers — Duff and I will sing!' [laughs] But Matt[Sorum] and Slash and I were more like, 'If we're gonna do this, we're gonna have to do it so it's amazing.' I've heard a lot of fans saying, 'Why don't you have Izzy in the band now?' Well, this isn't cut out for him —

 

 

Oh come on. He's consistently described at someone who wants to come and go and do his own thing and his career and lifestyle the past 30 years have supported that. But because you want what you want and decided it's all Axl/Slash/Duff's fault your not getting it you refusing to accept it. As far as Velvet Revolver goes, he wouldn't join the band or commit to it, he was just hanging around with the band, kicking things around, and they had no idea if he was in or not. He wanted himself and Duff to sing, they wanted a true lead singer. Once Izzy realized their vision of Velvet Revolver was bigger than what he wanted it to be, he stopped coming around. 

The idea that Izzy likes to do his own thing and you don't know what he will or won't be into at a given time is pretty consistent, whether you want to believe it or not.

20 minutes ago, shotsfired cro said:

You just can not say that - unless he asked for more than Ax/Slash/Duff, which in my world doesn't count as 'splitting the loot'.

W/o him, they would play only November rain and 35 covers during NITL tour.

 

I don't think he wanted more than Axl/Slash/Duff, he wanted the same as them - which sounds good on the surface, until you realize that Axl/Slash/Duff were the 3 partners that managed the GNR brand for 20 years at their own legal expense and put the work into making this reunion/tour happen. Why should Izzy waltz back in and get what they're getting? Particularly since he already profited when he sold his stake in the band. I don't know if it's "greedy" (although the whole part about how they already paid him for his stake in the partnership tends to get ignored for some reason) but it's certainly unreasonable. 

14 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

i wasn't talking to you please ignore me too 

talking with you is like talking to the enemy of new music, good classic sounding concerts and in general wonderful harmony - please ignore me we will never see eye to eye

maybe when GNR truly reunites you'll shut up

btw are you the guy that talked shit non stop before slash and axl reunited?? seems like the exact same tone and verbage the guy had an image of a douche with his middle finger he suddenly went quiet when the semi reunion got going

obtuse? you get the word from shawhshank? 

im totally fine with sorum stepping in - 91 lineup had the most promise and best sounding concerts look no further to ritz 91 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyBCxV8P7g0

 I want new music. I don't recall being promised it, and I don't think they need Adler to do it, or should let Izzy demand a ransom to get it. And I like Sorum. Certainly more than Adler. But he has a history of not getting along with people, particularly Axl, and didn't fare much better with Scott in Velvet Revolver. Considering how fragile and experimental this reunion started out as, I don't get why people insist of them having dramatic wildcards thrown in the mix that could blow up the whole thing. 

1 hour ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

EXACTLY 

izzy if anything is not flaky, he is productive and essential to the songwriting process - why haven't axl and slash been able to write shit together since 91? ding ding ding 

what is being twisted by some is that him being media shy (which is cool is shit) is flaky - hahaha 

nope, he's the real deal, realer than anyone could wish to be 

I don't know how people can deny that Izzy is how he is. He's consistently described as such. "Flaky" sounds negative, sure, but he's a free spirit who seems to want to do what he wants to do in the moment without any long term commitment to anything. It's not an insult to point that out but it's not necessarily what you're looking for if you're looking to do years of world touring either.  

9 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

For many reasons actually but you can go ahead and speak my mind for me if it makes you happy...  Now will you please go the fuck away? I have asked you more than once to use the "ignore user" feature for me so you aren't persuaded to talk to me anymore.. I don't hate many people.. Especially people that I don't even know.. But my feelings for you are pretty damn close.. So are so fucking annoying...

Think about how annoying you find me. Pretty annoying, right? Okay. Now imagine having to tour with me for years to come. Doesn't sound too appealing, does it? So now you know why Axl/Slash/Duff used to real life "ignore user" feature on Adler.