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2 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

What's crazy to me is that Axl rehearsed the song a few times the day before the Slane show and thought it was ready to go, but when Prince passed they dedicated KOHD to him because they "couldn't do justice" to one of Prince's songs. So Axl must actually think he's doing justice to the song...

Beta must not be allowing him to watch youtube if he believes he's doing Chris justice.

On 6/13/2017 at 0:02 PM, moreblack said:

That's laughable. He was electric on stage.

I cant tell if your serious or if thats sarcasm. Newstead is an excellent bass player. But electric??? No. Cliff Burton was electric.

On 5/24/2017 at 1:11 PM, GNRfan2008 said:

I thought part of the reason he quit was to get away from the stress of being in an extremely popular band? Club scene is a lot more laid back. Doubt he is jealous of the current GN'R tour. 

He left purely left Metallica because he got picked on by James and Lars. Had no say about ANYTHING. If anyone wants to talk about a hired hand, it's Jason Newstead. Metallica lost the best thrash bassist ever, and Newstead was never accepted by the band, according to him. He comes off as whiney little bitch. If Hetfield picked on him so badly you'd think he would have nutted up at least one time and try and beat Hetfields pompous ass. But he didn't even try when he quit. Scared little girl. Has no business discussing anyone in Guns. To much of a little girl.

Chris Cornell was one of the greatest rock vocalist of his generation. After Soundgarden, moved on to Audioslave while all the while working as a solo artist. And a true artist. His Acoustic sets were phenomenal. And continued to be a great singer up until his death.

Back in the day, Axl was a better preformed and singer, IMO. But fast forward to 1995 and beyond, Cornell was a far better singer as far as sounding the same as he always has, and consistency. 

I agree GNR should should stop playing Black Hole sun, I don't care how many views they got on Facebook,Twitter or anything else. If Axl is not going to sing the song with the heart and soul that Chris Cornell did,  he needs to stop it. It sounds like a half hearted just like the majority of the G&R songs.

But again, I'm one who believes Axl is making a choice to sing this way to  save his voice so that he can make it through this monstrous tour. The proof to me is how he's able to hit the vintage Axl Rose sound in the opening to Welcome to the Jungle when he says "do you know where the fuck you are" and then reverts into the sound we now hear. I know people like to revert back to the fact that he sang the 2010 tour fairly consistently, while others would have object to that because there are some poor performances. I also believe he was fairly solid. But as far as I know 2010 wasn't as big as a tour, there weren't as many dates, Slash and Duff weren't there, he wasn't playing in front of up to 90,000 people very often, which of course no one wants to be cancelled because Axl is unable to sing, because he's pushed his vocals too far. That would cause bad press among other things, not to mention the loss of MAJOR revenue.

But just drop BHS, unless it's going to be preformed to really honor Chris as Kevin Martin did singing Say Hello 2 Heaven. Which was also quite more fitting.

On 6/7/2017 at 5:29 PM, IncitingChaos said:

I agree, he lost his voice. Simple as that. It's not a choice to sing more mickeyish just what he's left with with GNR. I would bet almost anything he had a vocal surgery after the 2010 tour that limited his voice. His talking voice was even different for a period of time 

Same thing I just posted to another member, how can you say he lost his voice when just a day ago he comes out and sounds like vintage Axl Rose when he yells do you know where you are at the beginning of Welcome to the Jungle and then switches right back to the Mickey Mouse sound? It's got to be a thing of longevity. This tour is massive loaded every show is sold out 4050 90000 seat stadiums can't be cancelled because Axl went full throat the show before. When he sings this way it's not nearly as hard on the vocal cords. And it's obvious to me he singing this way as a choice. So he doesn't have to cancel and he can perform at this ridiculous Pace this Guns and Roses tour is going at.

On 6/7/2017 at 2:46 PM, Loot Man said:

I don´t think that singing style is a choice. No way. Something happened to him between those months. But what? I know he can sing most AC/DC songs great, but songs are very different than GNR`s and after all you can still hear struggle/falsetto with some parts. So I think it really means that he can´t sing anymore like he did in 2010. That´s sad, but it´s a fact. If they are ever gonna change their setlist, they should choose/change songs, which Axl can still sing good. I mean, he can still do It´s so Easy, WTJ, Nightrain, OTGM, Double talking, Brownstone and that kind of stuff very well, so they should think more what his voice can take and what it can´t.

I don't know how you can really say his vocals aren't a choice when he opens the show like he did in Imola just a day or so ago with full on Axl Rose rasp for the opener "Do you know where you are"  for Welcome to the Jungle. And then he switched right back to the Mickey Mouse voice. Like I posted earlier in this thread I honestly believe he sings this way because he can't hold up this touring pace singing full throat. This way he at least can sing every show without having to cancel period and width 40 + 50 + 90000 seat stadiums filling up they certainly don't want to cancel a show because Axl pushed his voice too far the show before. My only hope is that if they ever do a video for this tour he lets loose and goes full-bore just the way he opens every show with Welcome to the Jungle

I have always felt, and believed that it's just been a choice he's made. 2010 he made the choice to come out and sound the way he did. I believe he's doing the same thing right now, which sucks big time because GNR is back on the huge stage and people are going online to hear GNR in YouTube videos and from blabbermouth posts and other online services and their hearing him sing like this and it's just horrible. But it is what it is.

I really find it unfortunate that he's singing Black Hole Sun in tribute to Chris Cornell yet using that clean voice when he could sound so amazing singing Black Hole Sun. One of the reasons I say this is people bring up how AC/DC songs fit him so perfectly because they're all screaming songs, except when he turns to some of the Bon Scott songs like a Touch Too Much & TNT, and then his voice sounds fairly weak and pretty consistent to what we're hearing from him recently.

Well I turn that arguement around around and say look at what he did with Free Fallin with Tom Petty. That's not a screaming song but he still sounded like Axl Rose. Come Together with Bruce Springsteen was not a screaming song but he still sounded like Axl Rose. Salt of the Earth was not a screaming song but he still sounded like Axl Rose with the Rolling Stones.

Axl can make any song sound like vintage Axl and it would sound fantastic. It doesn't have to be a screaming song for him to sound that way. This is why I believe it's a choice. I don't understand it, at first I thought maybe it was a longevity issue. That he may not be able to sing like  the old Axl night after night anymore. That's what I believed when I heard him in 2001 up to 2006 and then we got it on and off. Then in 2010 he was fairly consistently sounding like vintage Axl Rose so that blew my theory away.

So all I have left now is that he's making a choice to sing that way. Can't possibly explain why because I absolutely hate it. I can't even stand to listen to it. They're coming to a brand new arena in my hometown of Detroit at the new Red Wings Arena and I want to go so bad but I'm not going to drop a dime to go hear him sing like that. I heard him in 06 and he was fantastic at the Palace of Auburn Hills.

And lastly, the proof will be if we do get a new song from this version of the band, I'd bet money with a guarantee his vocals are going to sound like the vocals we've always heard GNR albums. It's not going to sound like he's singing in these recent shows that have been coming up on this European leg. Because his voice has been downright Dreadful. And in all honesty I love Axl, he's my favorite performer, favorite singer songwriter of all time, but he's not singing with the power and the passion that made him my favorite anymore. And he's not doing Chris Cornell any justice singing Soundgarden, and should just drop it from the set.

4 hours ago, Robert39 said:

I'd rather see a new SMKC album, then a new Guns album !! cos thats "Not in this life time" gonna happen !! And i think the album is gonna be disappointing, because we expect too much from them !! We all gonna expect some kind of super album, that sadly Axl can't do anymore. His range is not 1988 or 1991 anymore......... sadly !!!

With SMKC on the other hand, they are gonna deliver what we expect !!!!

I'd prefer a new GNR record, but its not gonna happen. To much cash to be made touring. New music only makes sense to those of us in these forums. And some hangers on outside of them. 

I've said it more than once, we won't see anything new by GNR ever. Someday we may get to hear the old remnants of the CD recording sessions, when Fernando gains the rights to GNR material, but I would be shocked if we ever hear a studio vocal recording beyond whats already been recorded which is 8-12 years old. That's all were gonna get folks!

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On 12/26/2016 at 5:23 AM, Rovim said:

I get the feeling it's a full length album or bust.

Bust.

14 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

If the new album had come out this year, I would have fully expected CDII with duff on bass and slash adding guitars in a similar way to how Bumblefoot played on CD.

With an album unlikely to arrive until the back end of 2018, my expectations care quite different. People who are excited about the upcoming shows want old guns. Whatever experimental heavy gnr plans Axl had, may as well be scrapped because the majority including CD supporters have jumped ship and now want something that resembles world on fire more so than CD.

My expectations are an all new record, no CD material. Real life? We get CD II with touch ups and 1 to 2 current guns songs. 

Even this would be great as far as I'm concerned, but, CD2 and CD3 if that's how were referring to them, have been in the can for over a decade. There not coming out. Not until the Axl Rose estate is handed off to someone else, who will cash in on everything. Similar to what happened with Nirvana.

I hate to say that, but having up to 30-40 completed, ready to release songs sitting for over 10 plus years, and then believeing that those songs are going to be released, or are actually planned to be released, is just fooling ourselves.

They will not see the light of day until someone else decides to cash in on Axls work. Plain and simple it comes off by all appearances that Axl doesn't believe in his own material. He's afraid to release it, he needs others to reinforce his confidence in those songs, and with all his yes men and hangers-on surrounding him, I don't see anyone like Slash and Duff ever being able to get close enough to be those people. Which means business as usual.

Hell, we would have never gotten CD if it weren't for the leaks. 

I just don't see it. With the landscape of record sales, the money is in touring and GNR are raking in the cash, and will for most of 2017. I think anyone who believes we will ever see a full length studio album is out of there minds.

At best, at the very BEST,  I hold a slight hope of 1 or 2 reworked CD Era songs released with either a 30 year anniversary AFD re-release, or another Greatest Hits, this time with the songs chosen by Axl, Slash and Duff.  That's it! It's a legacy tour, and the vast majority of people could care less if GNR ever releases anything new. I for one hope so, but I think my chances of getting struck by lightning 3 times while walking away with winning Lotto tickets is more likley. Time to give up.

If there wqe going to be a new Best Of release, with a couple new reworked songs from the old CD era, where Duff would replace Tommy's parts  and Slash would replace Bucket/Robin/Bumble and Ashbas parts, I believed it was possible we may hear some new old music.

But with the fact that nothing has been announced yet, and we are near years and it leads me to believe that nothing is coming by the end of the year. Which makes me question why release it at the beginning of the year? I would have guessed that striking while there absolutely monstrous and on their way to a South American tour that this would be the perfect time for release right before the holidays. So I now question is of any kind.

Anyone who believes we're getting a full-length album is out of their mind. Just the analytics alone, first every new band member would have to re-record the parts either exactly the way they were played which slash is not going to agree to, and he likely will have to play 60 different solos for each individual song and then for each individual song Axl has to pick from the 60 different solos for each section, for each song, makes it sound like a monstrosity of an undertaking.

  Who couldn't believe that it may take up to 3 months for Axl to decide what he wants on just one song? Look how long it took to make those songs!!

 People are acting as if Slash can just walk into the studio record his parts, which is totally possible, but the fantasy comes in when people think that Axl will come into the studio ASAP, select from all the different  varieties, selections, parts and pieces that Slash has done for each individual song, and have Axl get this process done for an entire album in a reasonable amount of time,  and then have the songs remixed, mastered and ready for release.

I believed that one or two songs with a best of release at the end of the year was something that was slightly potentially feasible. I do not believe that anymore. I do not believe we will see another full-length record by Guns and Roses. Because there are too many pieces that need to be replaced. Axl would want to replace all of Pittman's Parts with a new player after all of Pittman's shitty comments, Stinson's Parts would have to be all replaced by the current member Duff Mckagen and the same goes for Slash. My guess is best case scenario Axl is happy  with it  2022 when it becomes completely irrelevant.

Be happy if you get one new song. And it's going to be an old already completely done song like Atlas Shrugged. 

5 hours ago, AlexC said:

If they played There Was a Time more often Axl would easily nail it. It's no harder than Back in Black material.

Totally agree 100%. Look how far Coma has come. There are 2 songs Axl needs to just stand still, chill and focus on his vocals, and they are Coma and TWAT. The difference between the two are with Coma, Axl has found his break points and a comfort level. When to cut a note short, or when to hold. And knowing he cant sing the outro, properly, running all over th stage. Therfore Coma has went from a song that was near unthinkable to ever be heard live again, to a staple of the set that sounds great almost every night. Which is amazing considering the level of difficulty . 

TWAT could be the same. But its just not played enough. The  level of difficulty for that song is beyond  extremely high. And it's not that Axl can't hit the notes he most definitely can. By all accounts it seems he just still hasn't figured out how to consistently perform it live without having to think about it. I certainly hope but if there is a DVD in the works that that version TWAT doesn't make the cut. He definitely has a better prefomance of this song in him.

I also thought IUTLH sounded like it was sang without using his chest or diaphragm. Could be he's vocally spent. Which is totally understandable . Whenever he sings in the lower rangss and it sounds weak, it really sounds like hes not singing using his diaphram, hence no power to push out the vocals.

With that being said, this first leg of the tour was amazing and Axl was incredible. And I think it will only  get better!

4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Ehh, when have I advocated that? Complete straw man.

I said, that labeling these people 'addicts', despite years of sobriety, and perhaps a resumption of moderate drinking (which is more common that you depict in your post by the way), is complete hyperbole.

Agree to disagree.

Ill get back on topic. I hear everyone clamoring for Steven and Izzy, but nobody can take anything away from Richard and Frank. They are excellent musicians. And right now this is one tight sounding band!!!!

16 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

Slash, Duff and Steven are recovering addicts but Izzy is a recovered addict? 

Its a term. He (Izzy) considers himself recovered, because of his belief he knows he will never use again. Me personally, i still consider him in recovery. Because IF he stuck the needle again, his addiction would be like it was never gone. Its one reason why he left GNR. He couldnt be around it or he knew he'd use it. He wasnt strong enough yet. 

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

What about former alcoholics who began drinking again (moderately)? Many ex-alcoholics can do this. Are they still then alcoholics, seeing as they can have one-two glasses of wine at the weekend with a meal?

What about somebody who was say, a drug addict in their twenties, quit, and is now forty years old sober? Should they still be labelled addict?

Absolute twaddle - as I said - but these gurus and quacks need to justify their jobs and inflated fees so it suits them to espouse such twaddle. It is the sort of nonsense that emanates from America if I'm honest, LA specifically.

I cant deal in never's or always. Of course  its possible. Just like its possible, albeit not probable to survivie Pancraetic Cancer. But its pretty damn rare. Do you realize just how rare it is for a true alcoholic to be able to become social drinker again?

Or a opiate addict to be able to just randomly shoot dope again?

Sure it happens.  But you certainly wont like the odds. And I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Maybe you'd have a different point of view if you were up close and personal with it, or someone who is, or died from it.  Its obvious you havnt, or your in denial about it. Because if you had, you wouldnt argue about it being fine for an addict to use again. 

But, yeah. Go ahead and encourage a close friend or family member thats OD'd or drank themselves into a coma to go ahead and do it again. Its all good.

And whats the LA comment? Ive never been. But Ive seen dope fiends all over the world. And there all alot alike. Some dont give a fuck, and many want to quit but cant.  And alot more die than recover. But im sure thats "Bullocks" to, right ?

45 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

So basically you are trying to say that Axl is a recovering asshole? 

What about Izzy? 

Lol. Recovering asshole. That was quick.

Izzy considers himself a recovered drug addict. But knows it could just take one time and hes fucked again. Just like Slash and Duff admitted to while in Velvet Revolver. Slash knows he cant socially shoot heroin. Duff knows he can never become a social drinker. He has said as such. That's always been Stevens problem. He would get clean and then believe he could go back to having a couple drinks. Which would lead the drinking an entire 5th, which would lead to smoking some crack, which would lead to shooting up heroin. The guy cant use checmicals of any kind. 

You could ask Scott Weiland about it, but he thought he could recreationally use again as well. 

30 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

Yes, I personally agree with this 100%, but we are in the Minority bro.

I agee as well. I really wasnt trying to nitpick. I think Axl sound fucking awesome. I still think he's the best rock vocalists there is.

4 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

Ok, I did that earlier.  I said in "Axls defense".  I did not say it was a good vocal performance of the song.  My point is/was using what Axl did with AC/DC isn't fair bc those songs are easier to sing in general and that's exactly what YOU did.

I honestly understand what you're saying and I'm not trying to argue with you. But I also can't agree with you since you used a particular song in your reference, I dont agree that Yesterday's is more difficult to sing than Thunderstruck. Even Axl stated he has to be careful when he's singing that song, Back In Black, or other Brian Johnson songs or he may never sing again.

Not arguing with you. I do get what you're saying. Your just not getting what im saying. And thats fine.

9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Bollocks. That is just pseudo psychotherapist/rehabilitation twaddle.

I'm not even going to argue with someone this Clueless. Once you're an addict you're always an addict. You can't pick that shit up again or you'll just pick up where you left off at. Believe what you want to believe. 

1 minute ago, tsinindy said:

In Axls defense Yesterday's is not like the AC/DC stuff he was singing...at all.  It is infinitely more difficult with a higher pitch and broader range throughout the song.  I do not understand how people do not get that the AC/DC material on whole is way more simple to sing with rasp than the Guns material.  Listen to the recorded version of Yestrrdays and then Thunderstuck directly back to back...maybe that would help. 

I suggest you just go listen to Yesterdays from UYI and compare it to the Live LA Version. Its not that im directly comparing it to fucking Thunderstruck. Im saying its an aggressive hard throat song that hes totally capable of nailing. Thats what I mean. Sorry for the confusion.

31 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

Steven is not a junkie anymore and the person who you are calling retarded, even after doing so much shit, he looks better than all of them and plays so much better than Frank. 

Steven played only 2 songs and they sounded perfect. Im sure @Tom-Ass and many others will agree with me. 

Just to be clear, just because Steven isnt using doesnt mean he's no longer an addict. Just like Duff not drinking , it doesnt mean he's still not an alcoholic . He's  in recovery.  Same goes for Slash. They will always be addicts. For the rest of there lives. They are all in recovery. And i pray they stay there. Addiction is bitch of a disease.

10 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

They are kicking ass but that is a bit of a stretch lol

I agree, they sound amazing, but lets not completely lose it. Yesterdays for example was awesome to hear live again. But I know I was slightly disappointed with Axls vocals on that.

That was a perfect example of the question, "why can he nail the ACDC stuff with his vintage Axl Rose sound, but not his own song?" Yesterdays is perfect for the way he sang for ACDC. Where as this sounded like going thru the motions. 

Im really not bitching or complaining, but I just dont get it. 

Ive believed for years now, that there are no new releases coming.  I wouldn't be suprised at all if Slash, Duff or even Izzy have re-recorded parts on previously recorded songs. And its entirely possible they've layed down some tracks for Axl to add vocals to. Nothing is out of the question. How could it be without definitive confirmation. And it would all make sense.

But, it doesnt mean it will see the light of day. Everyone knows about all the rumuoured and confirmed amount of songs that are finished and the potential amount of instrumentals. But Axl runs the show, and he's shown no sign or clue that theres a serious potential for new music to come out anytime soon. The timeline he had referred to long ago is long gone.

I still sadly believe anything new by GNR will not be heared until either Axl is in some unforseen financial situation, but this necessity is currently being permanently removed by the Not In This Liftime Tour (which is awesome!) or his passing, which would be devastating to me.

As im sure we will see with Prince, once his estate is settled, there will be a posthumous release. I would expect a box set of some kind. And then more material released accordingly. It took 15 years to get out CD, and I know it wasn't Axl's fault entirely, but he's still under the same guidelines, the same label, and the same setup as far as we are aware. Who is going to have the ability or force to command him to release anything new?

 The record label is going to want something from the current version of the band. They are not going to want anything with Bucket, Robin or Tommy on it in anyway. Meaning all those parts have to be replaced by Slash and Duff. And with the way Axl is and always has been, I just don't see him erasing all their parts and replacing them. And furthermore I certainly don't see him sitting down in the studio and rewriting an entire albums worth of music when he has a stockpile already completed.

The only possibility i could actually see, is another Greatest Hits release. This one would be an approved version by Axl, Slash and Duff in which they get to hand pick the songs they want on it for the release. And then maybe one or two previously completed songs, where Slash will replace Bucket and Robin's guitars, and Duff replacing Tommy's bass. I do not see brand new music being written by the three. This is all that really makes sense.

I hope im completely wrong in every way i just stated. But I keep reading about people talking about CD2 or new GNR music in general. And i just dont see it. After this US tour, Axl finishes with ACDC, then back to GNR for a world tour. After that, were in the end of 2017, beginning  of 2018.  I would expect a well earned hiatus at that point. And by that time, new GNR music just doesnt really make any coventional sense. But the sharks will swirl when he's gone. As they are with Prince, and when the other greats passed away with material locked away. 

Never expected CITR to get played. I hoped it would, but figured only CD, Better and TIL would be considered. Thought I'd much prefer CITR, SR & Prostitute.  

 Catcher is one of my favorites songs by any band. The outro lyrics are great. I'd love to hear what Slash and Duff do with it, there rework on Better has been great, IMO, and I think Slash could put a nice mix of Brian's take, and the finished product into something great.