Rustycage

yeah but you do think it's going to happen

thats the funny part!

Jedi mind trick

Yeah, like Matt wouldn't do a reunion if Axl asked him.

Slash started this rumor when he said he has spoken to Axl and all is cool again.

How do we know this is true? It could just be Slash's way of stopping all the Axl questions. I mean since Axl never verifies anything anyone says, we don't know this for sure.

Unless Axl has realized you can't change the past and Slash apologized for whatever he did, I can't see anything getting resolved.

Are you completely ignoring that Del has been positive towards Slash? That wouldn't happen if Axl still held a grudge. Guaranteed.

What does plead the fifth mean?

Invoking your rights under the fifth amendment of the United States constitution.

He's using it as a joke under the "refusing to incriminate yourself" section.

pc game???have we a link??

PC game WTF!?

Is it in the app store?

Has anyone asked Duff about this yet?(interview)

I'd be surprised if he doesn't give a more straight answer.

"I would have to plead the fifth on that, basically, because I just don't know. So I would say I plead the fifth. [Laughs]"

That's a little more than a simple I don't know.

I'm curious, at what point did the people around GNR become women?

*sigh*

"What's wrong?"

"Nothing."

"No, what's wrong."

"It's fine. Nothing. *sigh*

@GNR guys. Answer the question directly or just stfu!

The guys outside of nugnr never play the cryptic answers game and now all of a sudden we're acting like it's normal for them?

Watching Rusty annihilate his own logic to somehow argue Fortus makes sense in a GNR reunion but Gilby doesn't is really quite amusing.

I question your reading ability.

Meanwhile in India.....

Now that Fortus has posted a video mocking FOX News, I'm sure he just recruited a whole new group of haters.

Interesting response. Why not just say, "I haven't heard shit."

Comparing The Supremes to GNR. You've jumped the shark.

The Hall of Fame thing is a good example of what I mean, about creating something the closest one can get to legitimacy. Upon Stradlin not showing up, Slash could have quite easily had Myles play guitar - who was already there, singing - or drafted in David Kushner or somebody random, but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

In order of importance and legitimacy I'd go

1-Izzy

2-Huge

3-Fortus

4-Gilby

Yes but you are on heavy drugs.

Best post of the topic!

Could you guys please agree that you disagree? It starts to get a little bit boring to read the same every second post.

I'm fine with that. I've already said that I don't care if he disagrees and that my mind isn't going to change on this. I'm not the one making it a daily mission to overstate Gilby's place in the band.

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

Surely you can find the outrage over Gilby not being inducted! Oh wait..... there isn't any.

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

As for your point about Metal Sludge(lol seriously?) and Blabbermouth. They will be fine with whatever the group as a whole decide on. If you think they will bash a GNR reunion if Fortus is there instead of Gilby if Izzy were to refuse, you don't seem to grasp what the focus of the whole reunion is even about.

Do you think I'm a nugnr fan or something?

A reunion is a reunion of a former line-up. Since we are discussing an old band reunion it presupposes that that line-up should have existed sometime 1985-1993. Seeing as Fortus did not play for Guns N' Roses 1985-93, he has no place in an old band reunion.

It is really that simple.

You cannot reunite a line-up which has never existed!

Look at The Supremes reunion which got roundly criticised for having members who had joined The Supremes after Diana Ross had left the band. The reunion struggled for legitimacy as it did not contain Mary Wilson.

The point about no outrage of Gilby is an example of no one caring but a few on these boards. It does not matter!

Again, you are ignoring what the true focus of the reunion is and arguing semantics that only you care about. This isn't about technicality. This is about reality and which options matter and which don't in terms of success. What will be successful and recognized as great is the reconciliation of Axl and Slash. Also, it is about weighing what is logical given all of the circumstances. With equal ground of working with Fortus and the necessity of compromise, Fortus makes the most sense for the whole.

You're delusional if you think Axl would ever completely surrender and bring back everyone he has grudges against along with a member(Gilby) that he didn't consider to be on the same level as the others and did not pursue anything with outside of a tour.

Reality and objectivity are the issues at hand. Not your definition of what you think a reunion is.

I'm sure you can search my replies from the time in which I argued that if Dizzy is going to be abducted, Gilby should also. One or two thought similar as I recall.

Dizzy played on original material, including two of GNR's three major full length studio albums.

Gilby filled in for Izzy on a tour and played on a horribly received covers album. Surely you can understand why one went in and the other didn't?

Dizzy does not even play on November Rain or Estranged! His entire contribution to Illusion consists of some honky tonk piano on some of the rockers.

So you think NR and Estranged are the only tracks with piano? lol

Yes, I've heard it before: ''nobody cares about anything but the most casual of casual general public''. Nobody cares about anything seemingly? You may as well recruit a Spice Girl or two to take over drum and rhythm duties for all the care and consideration in this reunion - so runs your argument.

One further point, answering your above question. You can not over-estimate the disdain many feel towards new gnr. All you have to do to see these people, a significant demographic, is visit Metal Sludge or the Blabbermouth replies. There you will find whole swathes of potential (reunion) ticket buyers who hold Axl's new band, the era, the line-ups, Chinese Democracy, in complete and utter contempt. Fortus's presence would be a permanent reminder of that.

Surely you can find the outrage over Gilby not being inducted! Oh wait..... there isn't any.

As for your point about Metal Sludge(lol seriously?) and Blabbermouth. They will be fine with whatever the group as a whole decide on. If you think they will bash a GNR reunion if Fortus is there instead of Gilby if Izzy were to refuse, you don't seem to grasp what the focus of the whole reunion is even about.

Do you think I'm a nugnr fan or something?

but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Focus on this part of your post............

Now, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Dizzy were inducted.

Focus on it again. Gilby was not inducted. Did anyone shake their finger at it?

My argument at the time was, if you are going to induct Dizzy you should induct Gilby.

It is an academic point regardless as Fortus was not inducted.

And your argument then was also moot. No one cared.

Neither Gilby or Fortus were inducted. Thanks for furthering my point. Neither is important at all in a reunion and given the multiple circumstances Fortus is the most likely choice and it will be just fine.

Simple question that I'll ask you yet again!

Do you think a tour by the UYI lineup with Fortus instead of Izzy would sell less than the lineup with Gilby in place of Izzy?

Are we only concerned about sales?

Obviously you aren't since you're only focusing on semantics. I can guarantee that is all the label and management care about. The agreeing band members will care about what makes it go more smoothly, including Axl. The general public doesn't care.

Only a select few hardcore fans really care and they won't be boycotting either set of reunion casts regardless of the chest beating. Like I said, much ado about nothing.

But to answer your question, possibly in the sense that they could not possibly market it as a 'reunion' seeing as a Slash-Fortus line-up has never existed. I repeat, a reunion with Fortus is a misnomer. The only possible reunion which could legitimately be called an (old band) reunion would be a recreation of one of the line-ups that existed 1985-93.

'Don't Damn Me'

But your delusions are yours and not mine.

but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Focus on this part of your post............

Now, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Dizzy were inducted.

Focus on it again. Gilby was not inducted. Did anyone shake their finger at it?

My argument at the time was, if you are going to induct Dizzy you should induct Gilby.

It is an academic point regardless as Fortus was not inducted.

And your argument then was also moot. No one cared.

Neither Gilby or Fortus were inducted. Thanks for furthering my point. Neither is important at all in a reunion and given the multiple circumstances Fortus is the most likely choice and it will be just fine.

Simple question that I'll ask you yet again!

Do you think a tour by the UYI lineup with Fortus instead of Izzy would sell less than the lineup with Gilby in place of Izzy?

but he chose Gilby who was not even being inducted.

Focus on this part of your post............

Now, Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt and Dizzy were inducted.

Focus on it again. Gilby was not inducted. Did anyone shake their finger at it?

Rustycage, what did you think of Gilby playing with the band at the RNR HOF ceremony? Personally I thought it was great and there isn't any other guitarist in GNR's history I would have rather seen stand in for Izzy except him. If you had to pick another guitarist to fill in for Izzy at the RNR HOF who would it have been? And please don't cop out and say you would have rather they not played at all or something like that.

I don't have a problem with Gilby. Again and again and again I have said that I do not feel he is as important in any form of reunion as stated. Gilby is great for covering Izzy. I give him that. He fulfilled his role as a touring replacement well on the tour.

I don't think he is relevant at all in a reunion because he was a temporary replacement and I think the most likely choice of a replacement for Izzy would be Fortus since:

1. That is already his job
2. Slash is willing to work with him
3. Duff has shared the stage with him
4. He is Axl's guy
5. The reunion will only take place if Axl can maintain some sense of integrity

Because compromise.

A 'reunion' with Fortus in fact would be a complete misnomer.

As would a reunion with Gilby. The general public weren't watching Gilby during his stint on the UYI tour. No one cares if Dizzy is there either. They're the backing replacements and session musician in Dizzy's case since he was just covering Axl's piano.

Dizzy is more relevant to GNR than Gilby and do you think ticket sales would go down if Dizzy weren't in the reunion? lol

It does not have to be a reunion of the classic line-up to still constitute a reunion. A reunion with Gilby, Matt and Dizzy would effectively recreate the 1992-93 line-up, the line-up which was seen by more people than any other line-up and arguably represented GN'R at their absolute peak in terms of popularity. When Deep Purple reunited in 1984 it was not the original line up which reunited but the early 70s line-up, Mark II. Sticking Fortus in there would mean it would not be a reunion of anything. It would be a contradiction in terms.

You're only arguing semantics. The general public does not care about that. The reunion is the reconciliation of Axl and Slash, the two biggest icons of the biggest band of the 90's sharing the same stage. Duff and Izzy to a lesser extent and the rest is just landscape.

You can repeat yourself too but it's not going to change that this is much ado about nothing.

Simple question that I'll ask you again:

Do you think a tour by the UYI lineup with Fortus instead of Izzy would sell less than the lineup with Gilby in place of Izzy?

A 'reunion' with Fortus in fact would be a complete misnomer.

As would a reunion with Gilby. The general public weren't watching Gilby during his stint on the UYI tour. No one cares if Dizzy is there either. They're the backing replacements and session musician in Dizzy's case since he was just covering Axl's piano.

Dizzy is more relevant to GNR than Gilby and do you think ticket sales would go down if Dizzy weren't in the reunion? lol

So condescending. Those that disagree with your version of GNR are dumb.

Axl, Slash, Duff, Fortus and Matt is certainly a good reunion of what the public consider to be the main parts of GNR. You think Gilby instead of Fortus will sell more tickets? lol The only thing more appealing is Izzy being there and possibly Adler since that is your pure reunion.

But it is not a reunion of anything! Axl, Slash, Duff with Fortus and the other dicks do not represent anything. They have never existed as a band! What actually are you reuniting here?

lol

It is reuniting of the main focus of GNR. Axl and Slash! Duff to a slightly lesser extent.

Even YOU accept 2 replacements as legitimate. The general public cares less than you do. A pure reunion is only Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven.

Look at the lack of logic in your own argument. How is Slash and Fortus supposed to be a 'reunion' when they have never even played together?

Tell me again about the bucket......

To the public the reunion of GNR are it's main parts. Those main parts are Axl, Slash and Duff. From a more informed fan's perspective, Izzy as well. Even in YOUR argument, you legitimized GNR with Sorum and Gilby. Replacements!

The general public are not purists. The focus is Axl, Slash and Duff. Anyone else is a bonus.

I'd go so far as to say that the general public doesn't even care if Duff is there.

I like Duff and I'm a fan of his, so don't take that as me saying "Duff doesn't matter". I just think that Slash & Duff are all Joe Public cares about.

I can agree with that. But those are the spotlight guys. Duff's bass and backing vocals, Slash's tone and style and stage swagger and Axl is all they need to surely satisfy not only the general public but a lot of the hardcore base. I seriously doubt one person on any of these boards would boycott the opportunity to see the reunion tour if it only included those 3 original members from the old days.

Look at the lack of logic in your own argument. How is Slash and Fortus supposed to be a 'reunion' when they have never even played together?

Tell me again about the bucket......

To the public the reunion of GNR are it's main parts. Those main parts are Axl, Slash and Duff. From a more informed fan's perspective, Izzy as well. Even in YOUR argument, you legitimized GNR with Sorum and Gilby. Replacements!

The general public are not purists. The focus is Axl, Slash and Duff. Anyone else is a bonus.