Rustycage

CD isn't a departure from the sound. It's just a clusterfuck of everything thrown in but the kitchen sink. You can take a dump everywhere but the toilet and call it complex if you want to but you're still just shitting up your house. CD is like shitting up your house.

but the same old. No one ever claimed to be revealing something from the inside.

Virtuosos are boring but Paul was still nothing special.

Well, he played Izzy's solo in Nightrain better than Gilby did, so there's that.

November Rain and Estranged are the only songs of his I'd consider to be great songs.

Not Locomotive or Coma?

It's funny that the songs you mentioned plus the songs I mentioned are basically Axl and Slash only. You take away one of them and they absolutely decrease in quality. I don't know, indirectly, maybe, they knew they complimented each other perfectly, even if they hated each other's guts at some point.

We're talking about Axl songs, not group collaborations or Slash songs.

Someone called Axl up there with the best and as a sole composer, no way.

Save em for a box set. Release all of the archive footage in the box separated by era. If that's not good enough, throw in a candle.

Virtuosos are boring but Paul was still nothing special.

No better or worse than Billy Joel and Phil Collins. I'm sure Axl will take that *L*.

Except that Axl has only written 1 song that can arguably stand the test of time?

Gilby should have been in Queen instead of May.

I think Axl is a truly great melody and lyric writer. I'd put up 'This I Love' against any musical number from Rodgers & Hammerstein or Sondheim.

Songs like Sweet Child and Jungle are perfect. Songs like Coma and Locomotive have great moments but are a little too wordy for me. I prefer simplicity.

Slash is also a great melodist. That is why they were so great together, their melodic sensibilities really complimented each other.

November Rain and Estranged are the only songs of his I'd consider to be great songs.

That's unfortunate.

Unfortunate for the band of which Axl took complete control and tried to be the sole composer, yes.

I always thought that was a dick move to not give Slash writing credits on those songs considering his guitar melodies are my fav parts.

I prefer bands that stay pure and just credit everything to the core members like U2 or the Doors. Once you start coming up with percentages then thats where things fall apart and everyone gets resentful.

Yea. Once they start dividing credits, everyone starts a war over their songs versus another. Too much ego and greed gets involved.

I enjoy plenty, just not the whiny songs, bland rockers and messy wannabe epics that is CD.

Yet you think November Rain and Estranged are great songs. Not whiny at all when he's talking to himself and there's nobody home.

The difference is those songs have depth and complexity. This I love and Prostitute? Apples to carrots.

November Rain and Estranged are the only songs of his I'd consider to be great songs.

That's unfortunate.

Unfortunate for the band of which Axl took complete control and tried to be the sole composer, yes.

Hey, everybody got paid and created great music together, and I have Chinese to listen to.

I just meant that you have way less songs to enjoy, so it must suck is all. As a Guns fan, or former Guns fan, or old Guns fan.

I enjoy plenty, just not the whiny songs, bland rockers and messy wannabe epics that is CD.

November Rain and Estranged are the only songs of his I'd consider to be great songs.

That's unfortunate.

Unfortunate for the band of which Axl took complete control and tried to be the sole composer, yes.

November Rain and Estranged are the only songs of his I'd consider to be great songs.

One of the best of all time.

Disagree. In a collaborative effort he can pull his weight but as a sole songwriter, he's not even close.

Not really a fan of the songs that are heavily Axl involved. Just sing.

I think Gilby is a better songwriter, don't you?

Do you have Gilby tattooed on you somewhere?

Not really a fan of the songs that are heavily Axl involved. Just sing.

You aren't going to convince anyone that isn't already convinced. Especially me. You're only entrenching yourself and beating your chest at this point.

If Slash considered him to be so important, why no Gilby?

I've already given you a reason - twice in fact.

The actual reason is because Gilby was nothing more than the guy that replaced Izzy in GNR. He wasn't even auditioned for VR before Kushner played with them. He wasn't a serious choice for GNR, VR or Slash's new project and all you have is a HOF performance(where he was once again "the guy that replaced Izzy), pinball machines and TSI. At some point, you gotta wonder who the real fools are in this discussion.

And one more thing since VR is a subject:

Ask yourself why VR were considered a GNR reunion minus Axl. Because the public can accept no Izzy and Gilby. And before you say they weren't, I suggest you remember the time of their albums and touring. Every discussion about VR revolved around GNR also.

Put Axl, Slash, Duff, Matt/Steven on the stage and the 5th will not hurt it. Izzy is definitely first choice and a bonus but It wouldn't hinge on Gilby after that except for you.

Let's see....... All of GNR minus Axl start VR. Izzy bails and they get Gilby...oh wait. No they didn't. Surely in DD's world, Gilby would have been the next choice because pinball.

To be fair, Kushner was already there and Izzy was in VR for his songwriting skills, not to solely play rhythm. Not an accurate comparison if we're discussing a GN'R reunion where Izzy is absolutely the first choice.

The point is that DD claims Gilby was more than just a hired gun for GNR and that he was Slash's choice for multi-million dollar productions YET Gilby was not involved in VR after Izzy left or even before Kushner was auditioned. Izzy wasn't going to be a singing scarecrow without a guitar.That project was all GNR minus Axl until Izzy left. If Gilby was so important, why did Slash overlook him for the audition and replacing Izzy's void.

Let's see....... All of GNR minus Axl start VR. Izzy bails and they get Gilby...oh wait. No they didn't. Surely in DD's world, Gilby would have been the next choice because pinball.

There are obvious reasons why Kushner played in VR over Gilby, the most obvious being that VR were not and were never intended to be 'Guns N' Roses'. Gilby was brought into GN'R in 1992 because he had a similar Stonesy vibe to Izzy and could learn 30 songs in one week. With VR, with Weiland and the changes to music that had developed post-Guns, there was never a motive to draft in an Izzyesque Stonesy player. VR wanted to differentiate themselves from Guns.

The show at the RnR HOF was not intended to be GNR without Izzy and Axl either yet you throw it out there. Can't have it both ways. If Slash considered him to be so important, why no Gilby?

Let's see....... All of GNR minus Axl start VR. Izzy bails and they get Gilby...oh wait. No they didn't. Surely in DD's world, Gilby would have been the next choice because pinball.

Clearly it's because Slash saw the TSI picture.

Don't ignore the earlier point. Gilby wasn't in VR in place of Izzy and guess what....no one cared then either. Gilby was always and will always be "that guy that filled in for Izzy." Unless you like that Supernova crap.

I know you like to think there's a large group of people caring about this discussion but there isn't. It's only a few of us and no one is bothering to argue the validity of Gilby Clarke in a reunion. Imagine what the opinions of the general public would be.

"Me and Matt were not credited as band members."

Were you ever considered or auditioned for Velvet Revolver?

"No, because I'm a lead guitar player and so is Slash so it wouldn't have worked."

Slash's decision,

You keep going back to the HoF. Which of them were inducted, again? Matt's there. Dizzy is there. Maybe someone should show the RnR HOF TSI and the pictures!

I was replying to Barcardi. He said ''no one in...Slash's camp would ever ever consider this pub playing mongoloid for a multimillion dollar reunion production'' yet, someone in Slash's camp did clearly consider Gilby for a performance at the televised prestigious event, the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame. That person was Slash himself in fact!

The HOF gig wasn't a multi-million dollar production. It was another live gig. Just like the other live gigs that the touring member played with them before. It wasn't a reunion the moment Izzy and Axl were out. Gilby didn't fill the reunion void of Izzy. Not only was he not inducted, no one cared that he took the stage except for the Gilby fanboys. If it isn't Izzy, it doesn't matter.

Who is "we?"

You know what else is funny. When Blabbermouth posted an article regarding the interview above, there hasn't been one single comment on it. Can you figure out why? Hint: Cause no one really cares.

"Me and Matt were not credited as band members."

Were you ever considered or auditioned for Velvet Revolver?

"No, because I'm a lead guitar player and so is Slash so it wouldn't have worked."

Slash's decision,

You keep going back to the HoF. Which of them were inducted, again? Matt's there. Dizzy is there. Maybe someone should show the RnR HOF TSI and the pictures!

Point being, no one gives a shit one way or the other if Gilby is passed over. No one cares to ask.