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2 hours ago, Tucknroll said:

I'm just guessing but I think they lowered izzys sound to piss him off and force him out just like they did steven. I think the whole reason Steve and izzy were out was because axl had plans for these big epic songs and didnt think they could play them.

LOL

What does Slash's shirt say? Say no to drugs?! But some letters are crossed out from the last word, anybody know what is there in the end?

Just now, Frey said:

Yes, I agree.

And thanks for the videos, never seen these before.

 

Well like I said, I don't think he's stupid, just that people tend to exaggerate his intelligence a lot. In addition to uneducated, I'd also add naive (at least back in the day) and with no familial support system. Kids learn a lot from the families they grow up in, and if that family is not particularly great, a kid is at a disatvantage right from the start and also later on in life when other people can rely on parents for advice and guidance, while people like Axl are on their own easily fall victim to all kinds of dumb shit.

 

 

 

Yeah, but intelligence is the capacity to learn not the knowledge you've accumulated which is why Axl can be very intelligent and still lacking knowledge and naive.

5 hours ago, Original said:

We'll prob get new music, just not from Guns...at least for a while. I'd guess (if no Guns plans) that Slash will get SMK back at it, Duff will continue with his various bands and Axl will do AC/DC.    

In other words we'll get plenty of useless shit, what a great perspective... still hoping you're wrong...

55 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Now, look at them travelling separately and not a the same time, they are back to the routine of being just  co-workers.

How do we know they travel seperately? Except for the fact that the last time Slash was going somewhere else on his way, so it was pretty obvious he would go seperately. Also that doesn't necesairily mean anything. I often like to travel seperately even from the people I'm really close with because I hate that adjusting, waiting for someone and all other shit associated with that that always stresses me out far more than if I travel alone If I have a choice, I prefer to meet people at the place of destination  

18 minutes ago, Frey said:

Because I've never seen any evidence of Axl being particularly intelligent, similar to what @killuridols said.

Well, to me the evidence of him being intelligent are most of his lyrics. Stupid people can't write good, smart lyrics and he's written plenty of those (although some stupid as well). I think Axl is intelligent but uneducated and his lack of education caused him to fall for many fraudulent people and make many mistakes he probably wouldn't have made had he been more knowlegable.

3 minutes ago, killuridols said:

The crazy theory about TB planning the Axl/DC thing would make sense if it wasn't that for this happening you needed Brian Johnson going deaf and actually wanting to step out. I know he didn't want to step out, he was forced but how could have TB make Johnson go deaf in first place?

Of course they didn't. This crazy theory is based upon the assumption that it was a coincidence that happened and that TB made use of. They began to push for the reunion cause they had no choice if Axl was going downhill and would drink himself to death. They didn't know at that point about the AC/DC thing - it came later, had they known (at least within the realms of this theory), they would go for it instead of the reunion.

37 minutes ago, Natalia92 said:

I think you are missing the fact that Slash and Duff have their own families/girlfriens/kids

So? They still go out, meet people, organize parties and other shit where you also meet other people. I don't see a problem with that.

38 minutes ago, Natalia92 said:

I don't believe that they spend so much time with Axl offstage irrespectively of TB.

This you don't know, neither of us does. It's your theory, nothing more. People also claimed Duff didn't spend much time with Axl while on tour with him and NuGuns , yet he made it possible for the reunion to happen. Probably not through just his presence. There must have been many talks.

40 minutes ago, Natalia92 said:

Plus Axl is 55 y.o and unfortunately the chances of him starting his own family now are slim.

Really? I know plenty of men this age or older who did without even being rich and famous. How old are you that you think people at 52 stand over their grave already? Btw - my father was over 60 when he made me

2 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

The person I saw on stage last night is not helpless, inmature and dependent...I saw a very strong performer with hunger to be good and he give it all!! I want to think in real life is the same...you cannot fake that...the same goes for the chemistry between him and Slash...

That's exactly the case - he's getting his confidence back, he's getting closer to Slash, so Slash and Duff will have more and more influence on him, he'll be gradually becoming more and more himself and less and less dependent on TB and that is the threat I'm talking about... What if he starts going out with them, listening to them, meeting people with them, what if he meets some woman, what if he makes a child - a whole gigantic tragedy for the lot.

11 minutes ago, Natalia92 said:

For me , the theory of Tb having full control over Axl is plain garbage. I 've noticed that many people here embrace the theory of Axl being helpless , immature completeley dependent on them bla bla but I don't think it's true. I always perceived Axl as a highly intelligent and ( contrary to many) very strong person.

I was mostly ready to agree with you but it seems to me lately that Axl has had some serious problems lately, also with alcohol and other substances, so if it has been going on for years, it seems less improbable for me that he is in fact more dependent on TB than we would like to believe.

9 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Why would TB prefer Angus over Slash/Duff?

I think I explained that already - they are much more of a threat to their position than Angus. They've known him forever and they know what he was like when he was still normal, they were very close with him etc.

21 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

Why are Duff and Slash being friendly to TB then? Strategy to "save" Axl? Money reasons?

I wonder...

I cannot believe TB have something like full control over Axl. Like you cannot have full control over another person. That sounds so conspiracy theory to me..... hm.

Because it is a conspiracy theory Sort of

Duff and Slash have no choice, if they went full against TB, they would lose at this point - no sense to do that. They need to be friendly and work on Axl in the mean time

35 minutes ago, Natalia92 said:

But from a financial point of view NO way Angus is better for Axl than Slash/Duff. A new album by Guns with this line up would sell way better than any Axl/DC album. I love ACDC and Axl's work with them so far but let's face it a new album would be faced with much criticism from most of ACDC fan base since Angus is the only original member in the band. ( exactly what happened with Chidem with so many fans turning a deaf ear because of the non classic line up)

Yes, but if we assume that the theory about TB having full control over Axl and using it to their benefit is true, then it would be better for them to keep Axl away from Slash and Duff or at least limit his interactions with them. They are his best friends from times when he was still an independent, relatively normal person able to take care of himself. And they know him very well. If anyone is to bring it back in him, it would be them. They could give him the confidence back (together with another successful album, tour, good reviews and everything) and awake the memories of how he used to be when he didn't have to depend on nobody and generally prompt him to start living a full life again, meet people, make his own decisions himself, which could constitute a serious threat for all the vultures. Due to their past together, Slash and Duff are probably the closest and potentially most influential people to him at this point, other than TB themselves. Angus doesnt know Axl even remotely that well and I am sure he's not one to intervene with his life, so he is a safe bet. Of course, it's just a theory based entirely on a very negative picture of the housekeeper and her family and the assumption that Axl is not an entirely independent person at this point.

I hope the "insider" is as full of shit as he seems to be.

That line that GNR album ain't happening unless TB has a falling out with Angus is scary. As if it was them who make all decisions for Axl, which btw is something many of you suggested here before. Then, in some horrible vision, I could see it happening. TB working for the reunion once they saw Axl is going down and will soon die leaving them with much too less than he could if he continued to live and work, so they convince him to take Slash in. Axl agrees, he's happy as shit throughout the entire tour but in the mean time Angus pops up and TB decides Angus will be better for Axl as they still don't trust Slash (Slash is a threat for them, Angus is not), so they force him to go all the way with Angus and shelve GNR for undefined time, hoping Axl will somehow be OK enough with AC/DC, even if not as happy as with his own band releasing his own music, and they will be safe without too much Slash and Duff around.

Argh Off with that awful vision...

7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

It's from footage owned by Robert John, as the other clips from the tour that are on youtube (like the one with Axl doing ballet etc). I think he filmed it separately from the crew that filmed the documentary (which is in the vault).

Here are most of the clips in one video (there isn't a longer version of this particular clip):

 

 

Thanks. Seems like this one was the only one I haven't seen before.

8 hours ago, Andy14 said:

I guess we can add this to the collection 

Nice one Which song is this?

4.31 - Does anybody know where this footage comes from or if it can be found anywhere else in a longer version or something...

1 hour ago, Sosso said:

 

 

Where's the connection with Guns N'Roses?

20 minutes ago, Frey said:

I'm sure there are many more moments when Slash reacts positively to Axl, for example the Brokeback Mountain moment

What? Can you elaborate on that?

22 minutes ago, Frey said:

I mean, except for Slaxl or Sluff moments but I always put that down to him being wasted or strung out.

Sorry, it's your quote of course,  @MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle,

Oh, yeah, sure More like completely fascinated with one another. I mean this argument doesn't hold. Of course Slash was more or less wasted or drunk pretty much all of the time between the day they started and until they broke up but does it mean that each of his behaviours should be interpreted that way? I don't think so. And he was the least drunk and wasted during shows - playing guitar takes some precision and if he was really gone he'd be fucking up all of the time. And it was rather rarely that he did.

Right now nobody really knows how things are going between them but judging on the basis of the lack of Slaxl moments on stage is far fetched. First of all Slash is so concentrated he doesn't see anything but the guitar most of the time. Second, everybody is scrutinizing and discussing every little moment they come in contact with one another for another week, I think it might be a little intimidating. In the early days there were no you tube videos and nobody cared which is why, I think, they could easily allow themselves for more. Also they are much more easy going in this respect in the promo videos - the one with Slash opening his arms for a hug upon seeing Axl shows a lot of warmth rather than hostility. So regardless of the truth I don't think we have any reason to believe antyhing is wrong judging by what we have.

I am also far from thinking that the fact Slash didn't want to take a picture with one fan means anything is wrong. Please, he could be tired, could have had a headache, could be pissed off at something at that moment, whatever. Or the fan could have been simply irritating. Why would this incident mean he's off or has some serious problem with whatever? Seriously, I would start killing people if they followed me all the time nagging me for a picture

1 hour ago, Inbox said:

No. It's because he had both body and personality for wearing kilt. It doesn't look good on sissies (even if the body is great). You have to be badass like Axl. 

Well, he was both feminine and badass. But I insist that the fact that he had that delicate face and long hair mattered and if you attached some very musculine face with a very short haircut to his body, it would already look much more ridiculous.

26 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I too find it strange how the kilt looks so great on Axl, but not as good on other men who have a really great physique and are models. It is the same for me with the tight white shorts and the leggings Axl wore, other men who try that look just don't have the same attraction, even if they have a much better body and are more good looking. Not even other rock stars. 

Because Axl was quite feminine in his looks and women's stuff suited him better than other men, who look more "manly".

Just now, purplestargirl said:

How tall is Axl? 5' 8" or something? 

There were different versions but I guess somewhat 175cm or a bit more but definitely less than 180 (sorry your "feet and inches" do nothing for me ) Not much, not very little either but he also seems to me kinda small-boned...

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

Yes. If they were bigger they'd be fucking odd. 

He is a proportionate person. Or was, lol.

Yes, he was very proportionate. And because he is not a very big guy, he only looks good very slim, unfortunately for him. In a man like, whatever, James Hetfield the additional pounds don't make that much of a difference, while Axl mmediately looks short-legged and stout...

Just now, killuridols said:

His feet don't look small to me. They look pretty normal for his height. Y'all being idiots.

Agreed. Once I even thought they were long as for his height but I've changed my mind. They're just normal.

14 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

And please, Frey! White socks with underpants is not ridiculous at all. When you're Axl Rose in the 90ies. Otherwise, never wear white socks. Ever. 

I like white socks But I am generally so unfashionable... I disagree with just too many fashion rules

Btw, Slash wore white socks too in the 90-s, very similar ones in fact I'm not sure about now, though...

I actually think that Slash's relationship with everyone there is extremely good. Axl's band crawls up his ass so deep they can barely be seen from inside of there, TB are like sweet angels to him (the hugging Beta thing and remeber the post from Fernando?), I 'd say he's having a very fine time right now with these people. As for interviews - Slash never liked doing them in the first place, so I don't think it is a drag, it may actually suit him very well. Who knows, maybe it was even his idea?

I have a feeling Slash has actually missed playing stadiums very much in the break-up years and he's in seventh heaven now to have that excitement back rather than missing smaller venues. He's a stadium beast, he has always enjoyed the spotlight, let's face it, Slash ain't no Izzy Stradlin

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

Slash will not sit down to wait until Axl decides what the next GN'R album will be like. He shelved Myles for this tour and if there are no plans of new GN'R music for the next year, then he will shelf GN'R and go do his thing.

I am aware of that, which is why I tend to blame Axl not Slash. Something tells me Slash would shelve Myles for another decade if there was a chance of a new album and another smoothly going tour with Guns.

1 minute ago, killuridols said:

We don't know what kind of contract Slash & Duff signed.... maybe it was just for touring so that will end when tour ends. If they are also contracted to make an album, or a single, then we will know about it when the time comes.

I'm rather convinced they only signed for the tour. It was a spontaneous thing, it seems, and they had no idea how this would turn out but all seems to point to it turning out much better than they expected. So, anyway, I guess if there is a need and a desire on their part to make new music, a new contract will not be a problem... Or at least so I hope, cause with them one never knows what shitty and unimprotant thing suddenly becomes a problem...

The 1991 leg of the tour with Izzy was just purely brilliant. Raw power, Axl still spending most of his time on stage, no constant wardrobe changes, still the 80-s band just without Steven and on a much bigger stage. Absolutely loved it. And Axl seemed so normal still compared to a year later...

Actually, I would kill for more pro shots from that era...