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My first time seeing Axl and Guns and my love for Axl is back! I kinda went off him with the way he wrote that letter about not going to Hof etc.. but the show was so great. I had a great view and he really is the real deal! I've been to lots of famous rock performers some good and not and you never know how good if someone is until you've seen them live coz u don't get the real feel watchin vids and dvds for years but Axl has amazing stage presence, attitude and charisma and he gives it everything. He's such a contrast as at times he has a gentle presence is that makes sense! I wish his voice had been louder at times but overall he sang well. Weirdly Whole lotta rosie was the highlight of the night and the band sounded great partic on Sorry they had great feel. Great night!

A number of people on Irish forum boards.ie have said they received an email from MCD/Ticketmaster stating that Axl will be onstage at 9.15pm. Anyone here get that email?

My god be better be on time or there will be trouble, especially if people have received this email.

No I didn't get that and I booked with tkemaster. Hopefully that's true and he's on early! Did the email confirm start times of opening acts? Thks!

Found this info on starting times on Irish board forum. Is this real?

18:30 – Doors Open

19:30 – Vengeance & The Panther Queen

20:15 – Thin Lizzy

21:15 – Guns N Roses

What time did the opening act hit the stage in Moscow and then when did Axl go on the other night? Anyway did anyone here go to the last concert in Dublin 2010? What time did the opening act go on?

Axl did not want to front Snakepit, Loaded, or Velvet Revolver.

He wasn't even asked to front those bands. How could he not want to in the first place?

This is often the second of two available responses to people who feel the need to blindly defend Axl.

So it was Axl's decision that he didn't want to front Snakepit styled music, but it's Slash, Duff and Izzy's fault for walking away.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Here's a third option: Izzy, Duff and Slash got tired of dealing with Axl's bullshit and left to work on music that appealed to them.

Axl can't cry abandonment by his former band members all the while putting down the music they'd write for the band.

Axl seems to want to argue that he didn't force anyone out besides Adler and Sorum, that everyone left. But then he argues that he wasn't interested in their music anyway. So if he wasn't interested in what Slash was putting down, why is he so pissed at Slash for leaving and letting Axl work on the music he wanted to.

None of this makes any sense.

Firstly, trying to group Izzy's situation in with Slash and Duff is totally inaccurate. Heck, it's just plain LYING.

Secondly, it was Slash and Duff's idea to replace Adler with Sorum. Axl didn't force Adler out. Adler's drumming became a problem and it was Slash and Duff who found a solution for it. Axl just agreed to it. That is why Axl helped pay for a lot of Adler's rehab bills. Adler called Axl a "sweet heart" for taking care of him and hated Slash because he thought Slash was suppose to be his best friend.

Thirdly, Axl hasn't cried *abandonment by his former band members*. He has only defended himself after years of accusations by mostly Slash that Axl fired them all. Which is just untrue.

Fourthly, Axl is not pissed at Slash for leaving. Axl is pissed at Slash for his *revisionist* account of GnR history and for perpetuating lies that painted Axl as the "bad guy" who victimized him and every one else.

Lastly, as Axl stated, from Day 1, Slash has been trying to get Axl to join his band. With Izzy gone, Slash got his wish.

But with Izzy gone, Axl needed a new song writing partner. Axl was looking for a replacement for Izzy.That is why Axl tried many different guitarists to work with Slash.

But that's not what Slash wanted! Slash wanted to be that song writer like how he is on Snakepit and VR. Slash was unwilling to work with a new song writer in the same kind of way like how it was with Izzy for AFD, Lies, and UYI.

Axl was the one who invited Slash to replace Tracii Guns - even though Izzy did not want Slash! But by the end of UYI, the power in GnR had completely shifted in Slash's favor! It was now 4 against 1! Team Slash (Slash, Duff, Matt, Gilby) vs Team Axl (Axl only). That is why Axl called Slash a "cancer".

What are the exact accusations that Slash has made against Axl? Also in the years after the band broke up Duff, Izzy and Slash did interviews all saying that Axl bacame a dictator and megmaniac and the fame went to his head. Izzy even said worse things than Slash referring to him as a monster or something. Why did they all say the same thing about Axl?

Everybody's lying. That's exactly why former members, management, other bands such as metallica and nirvana, and other people all had similar stories about him. Right.

I was being sarcastic in response to Axrosehusband. Just so u know.

Good observation! Yeah maybe he dropped after that Azoff lawsuit where he called him William! Just a theory tho!

On the HOF's website they also called him William "Axl" Rose, they should be more informed about the people they are inducting

Lol fail

Axl did not want to front Snakepit, Loaded, or Velvet Revolver.

He wasn't even asked to front those bands. How could he not want to in the first place?

This is often the second of two available responses to people who feel the need to blindly defend Axl.

So it was Axl's decision that he didn't want to front Snakepit styled music, but it's Slash, Duff and Izzy's fault for walking away.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Here's a third option: Izzy, Duff and Slash got tired of dealing with Axl's bullshit and left to work on music that appealed to them.

Axl can't cry abandonment by his former band members all the while putting down the music they'd write for the band.

Axl seems to want to argue that he didn't force anyone out besides Adler and Sorum, that everyone left. But then he argues that he wasn't interested in their music anyway. So if he wasn't interested in what Slash was putting down, why is he so pissed at Slash for leaving and letting Axl work on the music he wanted to.

None of this makes any sense.

Firstly, trying to group Izzy's situation in with Slash and Duff is totally inaccurate. Heck, it's just plain LYING.

Secondly, it was Slash and Duff's idea to replace Adler with Sorum. Axl didn't force Adler out. Adler's drumming became a problem and it was Slash and Duff who found a solution for it. Axl just agreed to it. That is why Axl helped pay for a lot of Adler's rehab bills. Adler called Axl a "sweet heart" for taking care of him and hated Slash because he thought Slash was suppose to be his best friend.

Thirdly, Axl hasn't cried *abandonment by his former band members*. He has only defended himself after years of accusations by mostly Slash that Axl fired them all. Which is just untrue.

Fourthly, Axl is not pissed at Slash for leaving. Axl is pissed at Slash for his *revisionist* account of GnR history and for perpetuating lies that painted Axl as the "bad guy" who victimized him and every one else.

Lastly, as Axl stated, from Day 1, Slash has been trying to get Axl to join his band. With Izzy gone, Slash got his wish.

But with Izzy gone, Axl needed a new song writing partner. Axl was looking for a replacement for Izzy.That is why Axl tried many different guitarists to work with Slash.

But that's not what Slash wanted! Slash wanted to be that song writer like how he is on Snakepit and VR. Slash was unwilling to work with a new song writer in the same kind of way like how it was with Izzy for AFD, Lies, and UYI.

Axl was the one who invited Slash to replace Tracii Guns - even though Izzy did not want Slash! But by the end of UYI, the power in GnR had completely shifted in Slash's favor! It was now 4 against 1! Team Slash (Slash, Duff, Matt, Gilby) vs Team Axl (Axl only). That is why Axl called Slash a "cancer".

What are the exact accusations that Slash has made against Axl? Also in the years after the band broke up Duff, Izzy and Slash did interviews all saying that Axl bacame a dictator and megmaniac and the fame went to his head. Izzy even said worse things than Slash referring to him as a monster or something. Why did they all say the same thing about Axl?

We were just put off by Ron saying how they haven't even rephearsed new songs for the tour. All they have is a new version of Oh My God.

where did u hear this?

Chat on Guns n roses oficial website.

cool thanks

We were just put off by Ron saying how they haven't even rephearsed new songs for the tour. All they have is a new version of Oh My God.

where did u hear this?

Props for him telling them to shut up. Grown adults booing-how immature! Axl still deserves praise for his talents!

After watching the performance once again, it's ridiculous how much better they sound than the current GNR. Myles can never outdo Axl though, so that's a no-discussion, but he did a good job. The band on the other hand shows what was magic about the AFD/UYI era. Never though they would sound so good. Finally a performance who sounds like GNR used to do and imo are supposed to do. If Axl were there it would have been a perfect night. No puns to Izzy, love him and would prefer him to be there, but with Gilby live, Izzy ain't that missed on the stage. Very cool of them to play with Gilby again, even if it really wasn't any other choice if it was supposed to sound right.

Yes this. They really were electric! It was incredible-the Slash/Adler combo is just magic!

Well of course he needs to start putting out new music or else fans will keep dropping off. He said he would release a CD trilogy a few years ago so there wasn't a prob with the label then. I think Axl is the problem. He doesn't want to release it for whatever reason.

HE said that? Last time I recall him referring CD as a trilogy was back in 2002 but nothing after that. In the Eddie Trunk Radio interview he said that CD would be released as a single album. Sebastian Bach later said it would be a trilogy with the last installment being released in 2012.

If you have a more recent statement from Axl stating CD would be a trilogy, please tell me.

I believe in the 2008 forum chats he said something along the line of "i've always thought of it as a double album". (Not got time to find the actual quote)

Ah, thanks I forgot about that. Found it...

Axl do you really have 2 or 3 other albums of material?

Dexter wrote:

For now we'll concentrate and keep our focus on this album but I will say I've always thought of it as a double.

And no offence but no one's trying to talk in parables. The issues are a bit more complex than anyone would like.

AND

Q: - the "next" album ,does it look like that one ? so different style ?

A: Not clear on the question exactly but I’ll take a shot… it’s a lot more different styles than on this one. As I’ve said it seems more like a double album to me meaning Chinese and the followup.

So here he refers to it as a double, not a trilogy. And he doesn't say anything about another release anytime soon...

"The issues are a bit more complex than anyone would like."

Yes I'm talking about wjat he said in the forum chats which were only a few years ago. It's a double album not trilogy then. My bad

It's going to be hard to listen to Nugnr and not feel sad that Slash/Duff/Adler aren't going to be playing together. It's sad coz this is what Gnr shud sound like with Axl on vocals. I mean they sounded so great together at the Hof!

I don't think anyone is stopping Slash/Duff/Adler from playing together, except themselves. I guess Duff and Slash can't stand Steven, either, and that Slash is more comfortable with his solo career where he has total control.

I don't think it's that they can't stand him but that they fear he will fall off the wagon again! I don't know, is it that? Slash just played on Adler's new album and it looks like they're the closest they've been in years. I think we will see Steven playing with Slash more often in the future and who knows where that could lead if Steven stays healthy.He should take him on tour in the future and hav another drummer as a backup maybe in case!

Well of course he needs to start putting out new music or else fans will keep dropping off. He said he would release a CD trilogy a few years ago so there wasn't a prob with the label then. I think Axl is the problem. He doesn't want to release it for whatever reason.

It's going to be hard to listen to Nugnr and not feel sad that Slash/Duff/Adler aren't going to be playing together. It's sad coz this is what Gnr shud sound like with Axl on vocals. I mean they sounded so great together at the Hof!

Good observation! Yeah maybe he dropped after that Azoff lawsuit where he called him William! Just a theory tho!

Wow, what the fuck dude. You've got it completely backwards. Part of being an adult is learning how to do things you don't want to do. Things like paying bills, working, changing diapers, kissing police officers asses when they give you a ticket you didn't deserve, eating at the inlaws despite the fact that you want to kill them etc. By not playing the RRHOF, Axl's acting more like a teenager. You know, remember the old "fuck the teacher, fuck the principle, fuck my parents, fuck the cops...nobody can tell me what to do because I'm a bad ass that does what he/she wants" days? Yeah, highschool.

We ALL have to do shit we don't want to do when we grow up. It's part necessity, part maturity. Axl should have played to please the fans. Go up there, play a few songs, make millions of fucking people happy, then walk away. No one said he had to enjoy it. No one said he had to reunite the old band and make a double album. It's just three songs. Take some fucking Prozac, get up there and play three songs and move on. It's called selflessness and thinking about everyone else for a change.

He's incapable of that, which is sad imo....very sad.

But ... but ... your "adult" analogy fails.

Unlike paying for the bills, Axl had a choice here. And he made the choice he felt was best for him.

Part of being an adult is making choices that may not please other people. In this case, Axl made a choice that did not please you. And as an adult, you should know that you can't have everything your way!

Axl has every right as an *adult* to do whatever he wants to do.

Axl also made it very clear why he chose not to attend. Besides the HOF wanting to milk the situation for their own financial gain and not respecting Axl's current situation with the current band, it basically boils down to this:

How can Axl share the same stage with some of the same people who through the years blamed him for all that went wrong and painted him as the "crazy bad guy" that fired everybody!

If you publicly defame somebody, you have to publicly restore the reputation of that person.

How can reconciliation - let alone a reunion - even be possible until this occurs?

That sounds like pretty basic expectant adult behavior don't you think?

As evident by the letter and Axl's reconciliation with Duff, Izzy, and Adler (before Adler opened his mouth again), Axl is willing and very capable of reconciling with Slash ... if what he feels are *LIES* made PUBLICLY by Slash are taken into full account for and either corrected or clarified.

So what you demand of Axl - to be an ADULT - can easily be argued to be applied to Slash as well.

Yes in life people are mean and lie about us etc.. but we can't keep waiting for an apology coz holding onto that hate is not healthy and often the person that lies about us isn't thinking about how they've hurt us. They don't care so why shud Axl. That kind of negativity about the person carries over into all aspects of one's life just as Marc Canter posted the other day that it takes alot of energy to hold on to hurt. So just let it go is best coz waiting for an apology just carries it on.

He won't release the rest of the 'Chinese Democracy Era' music, like he said he would. He won't record new music with the current lineup, despite their extreme desire to do so. Absolutely will not have anything to with the old lineup. What fans is he trying to please?

It is not that Axl *will not* ... it is that he *can not*.

The debacle with the last 3 managers screwed up a lot of things for GnR. They tried to manipulate the situation to get a reunion tour instead of helping GnR secure more funding for promotion, music videos, and new music.

The debacle with these managers were largely responsible for Robin Finck bailing shortly after CD was released.

The record company is also not very eager in *investing* more money into new GnR material. It is a safer bet for the record company for GnR to remain as the 1993-GnR.

That is why GnR has been touring a lot. Besides raising money for new GnR material, they need to convince the record company that they can still make them a lot of money.

At the end of the day, it's all about the $$$. Nobody except the band members cares about *artistic* innovation and integrity. The record company just wants a big return on their investment.

As Axl stated, once they figure out what their deal is with the record company, they will be able to move on with their next plans: new music videos and new music.

I thinl they've proven it already the last 3 years. They've been touring for 3 years playing huge arenas and to big audiences all over the world including 2 nights at 02 arena in London which is biggest concert venue in the world. Most bands never get to this level yet still release albums and have careers. Why are they not choosing to fund Gnr on the back of these stats? Dosen't make sense.

What did Del do to the band again? Haven't read Slash's book in ages

Axl is NOT Guns N' Roses.

LMFAO ..... cant stop laughing

I dont know what's so funny? Guns N' Roses was not Axl's band. Every original member was important to the song writing.

+1

What was her "more g than r "tweet in response to? Coz I mean Axl didn't tweet her!

Wow that was great that we cud hear and watch nearly all [erformance. They kicked ass! Steven omg was so great and he accepted the award with dignity-so great to see he's happy in himself now! Axl got it wrong-shoulda been there!

bette midler is just a mess. what's with the overacting and fake crying?!

Guns N' Roses are expected to be inducted at 10:28 eastern so approximately 1 hour and 6 mins from now for EVERYONE on the list it says subject to change but as of now 10:28 eastern

cool thks

depends on where you live :xmassrudolph:

ha what time is it now in Cleveland? Thats all i wanna know!

they said 11pm

thks how many hours to 11?