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This thread verifies how hard it is to find a replacement for Slash/BH. The guitarists from Skynrd, Thin Lizzy (Gary Moore especially) are the real deal. Them, and obviously Page, are the kinds of guys you'd want. They're mostly dead, playing in jam bands, or R&B bands, etc. Rock is in a coma.

I really wish I knew wtf Axl is/was thinking.

Btw Steve Stevens is great, indeed. Another older guy though, doing his thing. GNR needs a young upstart, not a 40 year old trying to look like one.

I think it looks like shit.

They suck ass.

The music industry killed music? Pretty sure people stealing music on the internet didnt help things. Neither did MTV selling the fuck out.

Ripoff might be to strong of a word. How about zeppelin inspired?

Yes I agree that zeppelin is way more organic, and cd def lacks organic. I just meant that axl was going for a zeppelin vibe with those songs. I even remember Brain saying "it was like making a zeppelin album."

I dont think "Zeppelin!" when I hear CD, at all, really. Part of what made Zep so great is how organic and natural their albums sound. CD lacks this.

Vocally its amazing. Arguably the best ever.

Guitars are underused. Either let BH be a guitar-god and ride that wave, or never put him in the band.

Not enough catchy parts. Duff would've been useful there. Axl might say it's too easy, but I question whether he can write a real hook anymore.

Too introspective and whiny. Almost all the songs are over 5 minutes, wandering, not in a fulfilling way. Axl tries to be cool, minimalist Nirvana punk rocker and overblown overproduced Rock God at the same time. Sometimes ya cant do both.

Doesnt feel like "a band." AFD was bigger than any individual; something spiritual happened. With such a diverse lineup, the '02 band wouldnt have hit their high point til after CD. It wouldve taken another album or two. Of course that's impossible when Axl Rose is both IN the band and ABOVE the band (Wizard of Oz).

They didnt do it justice live. CD needed that. CD didnt have that. Consequently, I've never heard a version of IRS, for example, that does the album cut justice. Same for Prostitute, TWAT... You need not only Axl in top form to pull those songs off live, but BH on guitar. Neither happened. Rather, Axl decided to play old stuff that makes opera Axl (CD) impossible. Cant be raspy then do album IRS.

I see something special with IRS and CITR. Shackler's Revenge and the opening to Scraped were going somewhere good, imo. Riad's guitar work is fantastic and the song proves minimalist Axl is good Axl. Prostitute is both good AND bad: an appropriate final note to Chinese Democracy.

Axl's upside goes as high as anybody I know of. Especially through '10. After that has tarnished his legacy, perhaps.

Yea the rockers on Chi Dem just arent up to old GNR-level. I enjoy Riad, Shackler a lot though.

A lot of people I know like Scraped because it's radio-friendly. If an unknown band came on the radio and played Scraped, they'd be a big deal. But because it's GNR, it's a bit of a disappointment.

Not to mention Axl seemed to achieve the impossible by putting together a band with BH, Brain, and Finck that could've been as big as the original: Then he managed to squander that!

That was great. Greatest intro ever, besides Axl at RIR '01.

Axl made more grandiose gestures than anybody, ever. He only delivered somewhat, and fell off completely the past two years. That's why others like myself are a little agitated.

RIR all the way, for me. 20 seconds.

Why. The. Hell. would Axl ever considering touring with anybody associated with Motley Crue -- except for his lead guitarist that is

best gig ever, for me

Uncle Ax!

It's a particular kind of punk vocals. Doesnt mean it's awful. It influenced a lot of great bands, obviously Gnr.

Not really. DJ, sadly, is the poppiest. Unfortunately its the kind you'd expect from...Fallout Boy or some shit. What exactly is "demented" about DJ other than the fact he keeps telling us he is? Everything about him screams "stereotype." But that might mean he can speak to the masses!

Fortus always manages to leave something to be desired despite having plenty of skill and chops and great tone.

BBF on the other hand does entirely too much. But his solo on CITR at L'Arc was the best thing I've heard him play. For me, that one is unforgettable, more than anything since BH. Also I recall a CW solo - I think it was between the 1st and 3rd time they performed it - which was quite good. Then it de-volved into digitized noodly mess.

Cool you're having drinks Beta, so cool

Lull around in a carbohydrate-induced stupor

Yellow raincoat made it all the more terrible, imo, but it reminded me of Buckethead and RIR'02 when the band meant something instead of the shitstorm it turned starting at RIR'11

I think Axl had been drinking a lil too much the night before. And eating too many cheetos for the previous year. Maybe taking a few pills. And not remembering lyrics. And then the rain came down, and it was cold, and he got exposed.

Axl has set the bar waaay higher than most. He's worn himself out with his crazy ass ideas.

Terrible conversation, I bet. Oh well good for him. That whole hats, canes, big rings, furs look sucks though.

it's a Great song if Axl can pull it off Live. there's no many little things going on. the heaviness, the disco, the screaming, the yelps, the OOOHHs.