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Apparently someone else caught the mic. So….it bounces off of her face and then someone else caught it via rebound?

I still think she was accidentally pummeled by actual Guns fans trying to grab the mic because any real fan knows Axl has been launching a mic in the audience after “take me down to the paradise city” for almost 30 years.  

1 hour ago, Gnrcane said:

Something doesn't make sense.  How could the mic hit the bridge of her nose AND cause two black eyes?  Even causing two cuts are a little suspicious.  It seems more likely to me that she got elbowed by people fighting to get the mic.

Exactly what I thought when I saw this article. It takes A LOT of force on the nose to produce one, let alone TWO black eyes. No way that was from the microphone alone. 

4 hours ago, allwaystired said:

What makes you think that? You think they'll just vanish into nothing? 

Not doubting your view here, wondering what makes you think they definitely wouldn't. 

Yeah I do actually. They have always been the anti band. Can you actually see them doing a Kiss thing, at Motley thing, an Ozzy thing? Just to “sell tickets?”  If Axl cared about selling tickets alone he would have reunited with slash 15 years ago or he would have strictly toured overseas/South America with the nuGuns lineup. 

On 11/20/2022 at 1:46 PM, allwaystired said:

Farewell tour would certainly shift tickets too. 

I'm not sure how much the other big things they could do like a new album (however unlikely it may be) would shift tickets, or bringing back Adler and Izzy for an 'original lineup' run. Not sure the sort of casuals you need to sell tickets to to fill stadiums would care much about either of those things.  

Highly doubt Guns would ever do a labeled “farewell tour.”

Next Guns single 

“GET TO DAH CHOPPAH!” w/ Melissa on vocals and guest vocals by Arnold Schwarzenegger 

“WELL…..Thanks to the lame ass drones, I’m going home.”

4 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I can imagine Axl in a ProTools frenzy, sitting at night with Billy Howerdel and saying "let's put this line from this show here and that line from the other show here".

Hopefully @Gambit83 interviews Howerdel again someday and asks him if he remembers working on this.

Somebody HAS to remember this. This period was by far, IMO the best, healthy sounding vocals Axl has produced on record. Estranged’s vocals alone are noteworthy. 

5 hours ago, Waemoth said:

Thank you!

I'd say between 12-24 hours, somewhere in that ballpark. In other words anyone who put away a little more than 3 hours per day could get it done in a week.

I'm a full time student which allows me to be somewhat more flexible than most.

You’re welcome. Absolutely phenomenal analysis.
 

 What are you studying? 

1 hour ago, darkside259 said:

 this is kinda rude 

Not trying to be. I have clients that are day traders and “work” maybe 3 hours a day which frees up their time to do things they actually love. 
 

Generally intrigued by what OP does for work. 

5 hours ago, Waemoth said:

I saw that there's already a thread for this, but I don't think this analysis makes sense as page 3 in a discussion. Feel free to move if moderators disagree.

The entirety of Li(v)e Era apart from It's Alright and Coma has been synched up to their original performance(s) and compared using Audacity, with Live Era as the left channel and the original performance(s) as the right channel. 
I have shared these combined tracks, as well as the Audacity files used to create them. There are also screenshots from Audacity which highlight what parts come from which UYI tour performance when this is applicable.
When studio overdubs are mentioned, it refers to overdubs done by Axl in the process of putting together Live Era in the late 1990's.
The timestamps given indicate which portion of the track is referred to. Next to the timestamp is the first phrase or the first few words in said portion. To the lyrics' right is a parenthesis which indicates the origin of the vocals.
The overdub percentage numbers are approximate and only refer to studio overdubs, not vocal overdubs from other shows.

Some of the crowd noise before and after tracks certainly isn't live since there's many occasions of them playing another song in the beginnings and ends of tracks on Live Era. 
Whether it comes from other parts of the same shows, or from other Guns N' Roses concerts, or somewhere else entirely is hard to say.
I do not think there are any instrumental overdubs made in the studio in the late 1990's. Slash claiming that "It's as honest as it gets" is still misleading, but it's possible that this was only said in regard to the instrumental parts.

It's unclear how and when the claims about which concert is the source for what song on sites like Spotify and Wikipedia originated. 
The latter cites: "https://www.slashparadise.com/discography/albums-guns-n-roses-1999-live-era.php." as its source.
These claims are not entirely correct. For Welcome To The Jungle it's very likely wrong as all instruments and vocals seem to line up with a combination of 1992-01-25 Las Vegas and 1992-02-20 Tokyo. 
The first half of Patience seems to come from 1993-04-24 rather than 1993-04-23 which Wikipedia incorrectly suggests.
With this in mind I think the claims made on the sources for It's Alright and Coma should be taken with a grain of salt, though I'd still consider the dates claimed to be the most likely.
If anyone is aware of which show the speech between Mr. Brownstone and It's So Easy comes, please let me know. It's possible that it comes from 1991-01-20 Rio like the first half of It's So Easy.

This is not complete, and should not be taken as absolute truth.

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Nightrain - Las Vegas 1992-01-25
   The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 97,7%
   McBob shouting "Vegas" before "You wanted the best..." has been cut.
   0:38-1:15 "Loaded like a freight train" (studio)
   1:16-1:17 "I can tell you honey you can m"(Las Vegas)
   1:18-5:16 "ake my money tonight" (studio)

Mr. Brownstone - London 1991-08-31
   The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 98,8%
   The backing vocals in the "I used to do a little" parts starting at 1:26 and 2:50 do not match the original backing vocals by Izzy. The replacement backing vocals are believed to be sang by Robin Finck.
   0:41-2:00 "I get up around seven" (studio)
   2:02         "Oh!" (London)
   2:40-3:23 "Now I get up around whenever" (studio)
   3:24         "Oh!" (London)
   3:28-3:58 "Leave me alo-one" (studio)
   4:04         "Oh!" (London)
   4:11-5:42 "Give me a little light" (unidentified 1990's show) (Rio?)

It's So Easy - Paris 1992-06-06 (Rio 1991-01-20)
   This track is a hybrid of two performances.
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%
   All instruments are from Paris.
   0:17-0:29 "I see your sister in a Sunday dress" (Rio) this part of the recording of Rio is missing, but it sounds like the rest of the vocals from Rio.
   0:30-1:32 "Easy, everybody's trying" (Rio)
   1:34-1:35 "Fuck off!" (Paris)
   1:47-1:56 "You get nothing for nothing" (Rio)
   1:57-1:58 "And I'm bored" (Paris)
   2:00-2:34 "It's so easy, easy" (Rio)
   2:35-3:13 "But it goes to show" (Paris)

Welcome To The Jungle - Tokyo 1992-02-20 (Las Vegas 1992-01-25)
   This track is a hybrid of two performances as well as having extensive studio overdubs.
   Overdubbed vocals: 66,6%
   I believe the instruments are from both Las Vegas and Tokyo.
   Added guitar faintly in the first seconds.
   Vocals:
   0:03-0:47 (intro screams) (Las Vegas)
   0:55-1:17 "Welcome to the jungle" (studio)
   1:18-1:21 "Oh! I wanna watch you bleed!" (Tokyo)
   1:22-1:40 "Welcome to the jungle" (studio)
   1:41-2:17 "My, my, my serpentine (Tokyo)
   2:03-2:04 "Welcome to the jungle" (studio)
   2:05-2:11 "It gets worse here every day" (Tokyo)
   2:12-2:14 "You'll take it eventually" (studio)
   2:14-2:19 "You can have anything you want" (Tokyo)
   2:19-2:22 "Welcome to the jungle" (studio)
   2:23-2:49 "Shanaananaana knees, knees, oh!" (Tokyo)
   2:51-2:57 "Yeahayeahayeah no!" (studio)
   3:46-3:51 "You know where you are? You're in the jungle baby!" (Las Vegas)
   3:52-4:26 "You're gonna die!" (studio)
   Instruments:
   0:00-1:41 Las Vegas
   1:41-2:58 Tokyo - There's a shift in sound at 1:41, I think this marks the switch to Tokyo. The dissonant tone at 2:36 is not present in the recording of Las Vegas.
   2:58-5:08 Las Vegas - Weird mixing at 2:58, and the guitars match very well around 3:40. 

Dust N' Bones - Ritz 1991-05-16 (London 1991-08-31)
   This track is a hybrid of two performances.
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%
   All the instruments are from Ritz which is why the timing between the instruments and the vocals from London is incorrect.
   Izzy suddenly becomes louder at 4:18. This is because his vocals around this time, unlike Axl's vocals, are from Ritz rather than London. Presumably there was a small error made when putting together Live Era.
   0:05-1:56 "He lost his mind today" (Ritz)
   2:00-4:13 "Sometimes you women are so easy" (London)
   4:13-4:14 "That's alright" (Ritz)
   4:15-4:17 "Dust N' Bones, that's al" (London)
   4:17-4:18 "lright" (Ritz)
   4:18-4:20 "Dust N' Bones" (London)
   4:20-4:22 "That's alright" (Ritz)
   4:22-4:24 "Dust N' Bones" (London)
   4:24-4:25 "That's alright" (Ritz)
   4:25-4:27 "Dust N' Bones" (London)
   4:40-4:47 "Just Dust N' Bones" (Ritz)
   
My Michelle - London 1991-08-31
   The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 99,6%
   Wrong note by Izzy (?) at 1:30 is only audible on Live Era, the volume on his guitar is too low in the audience recordings to compare to. Since I doubt they'd do such a poor job on a potential overdub, I think 
   it's fair to assume that this mistake strongly suggests that they were unwiling to do instrumental overdubs.
   0:48-3:36 "Your daddy works in porno" (studio)
   3:39         "Michelle" (London)

You're Crazy - Tokyo 1988-12-10
   This vocals on this track are untouched. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%

Used To Love Her - Tokyo 1988-12-10
   Most of the vocals on this track are original.
   Overdubbed vocals: 23,4%
   0:55-3:07 "I used to love her" (Tokyo)
   3:22-3:55 "I used to love her" (studio)
   3:58         "That's all she wrote" (Tokyo)

Patience - Mexico City 1993-04-24 (acoustic part)*, Las Vegas 1992-01-25 (electric part)
   The vocals on this hybrid track are untouched. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%
   Being an audience recording of relatively poor quality, it's hard to say for certain that this is the correct show. I find it likely to be the correct show, and it definitely rules out any studio overdubs on this track.
   This song was made by combining the first part of an acoustic 1993 performance with the last part of an electric 1992 performance.
   0:50-03:22 "Shed a tear 'cause I'm missing you" (Mexico City)
   4:59-6:16 "Just a little patience, yeah, yeah" (Las Vegas) 
  
It's Alright - Houston 1992-09-04*
   Very likely to be original vocals.
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%
   No bootlegs or other known recordings of this show circulate publicly.
   *Tagged as Houston 1992 in official releases.

November Rain - Tokyo 1992-02-22
   The vocals on this track have been completely overdubbed in the studio.
   Overdubbed vocals: 100%
   Axl saying Dizzy at 2:59 has been almost completely muted on Live Era. On the bootleg soundboard recording this is much more audible.
   
Coma - Omaha 1993-04-10*
   Very likely to be original vocals.
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%
   No bootlegs or other known recordings of this show circulate publicly.
   *This is believed to be from Omaha 1993 because of three factors. 
   First, an audience recording claiming to be of this show sold on Ebay around 2010 had Coma as part of the track listing. 
   Second, Axl claims they haven't played Coma in "probably a year or so" in the beginning of this track which lines up well with the previous known performance being the one in Chicago (1992-04-09).
   Third, there's a local Omaha newspaper article from 1993 which mentions Coma being played there.

Out Ta Get Me - London 1987-06-28
   This vocals on this track are untouched. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%
   You can faintly hear Axl say "I'm gonna dedicate this, to the press, that don't like us" on Live Era. On the bootleg soundboard recording this is much more audible.

Pretty Tied Up - Tokyo 1992-02-22
   The vocals on this track have extensive studio overdubs.
   Overdubbed vocals: 86,5%
   Axl singing "She's the right one" repeatedly towards the end of the song has been cut entirely and not replaced.
   0:29-0:33 "The Perils Of Rock N' Roll Decadence" (Tokyo)
   0:56-2:05 "I know this chick" (studio)
   2:06         "But check it out" (Tokyo)
   2:08-3:20 "Pretty Tied Up" (studio)
   3:21         "Cool ranch dressing" (Tokyo)
   3:22-3:53 "Pretty Tied Up" (studio)
   4:47-5:11 "I can tell you a thing or two about something else" (Tokyo)
   
Yesterdays - Las Vegas 1992-01-25
   This vocals on this track are untouched.   
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%
   Talk before the song starts has been muted. The cheering after the song has been extended, whereas they actually started playing My Michelle very soon.

Move To The City - Tokyo 1992-02-22
   The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 97,7%
   Amusingly, even the band introduction was overdubbed.
   0:02-0:06 "This is from live like a suicide" (Tokyo)
   0:46-3:51 "You pack your bags" (studio)
   7:46-7:48 "Something something get a beer" (unidentified 1990's show)
    
You Could Be Mine - Tokyo 1992-02-22
   The vocals on this track have extensive studio overdubs.
   Overdubbed vocals: 41,6%
   Axl saying "Perhaps a little Arnold for you" in the beginning has been muted. Axl saying "You could be mine" at 5:16 has been muted.
   1:11-1:33 "I'm a cold heartbreaker fit to burn" (studio)
   1:34         "Oh!" (Tokyo)
   1:36-1:59 "Cause you could be mine" (studio)
   2:00         "Oh!" (Tokyo)
   2:13-2:35 "Holidays come and then they go" (studio)
   2:36         "Oh!" (Tokyo)
   2:37-3:12 "Cause you could be mine" (studio)
   3:14-3:26 "You could be mine" (Tokyo)
   3:26-3:46 "You've gone sketchin' too many times" (studio)
   3:47-5:35 "Another reason to cry" (Tokyo)

Rocket Queen - Las Vegas 1992-01-25
   The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 98,5%
   Parts of Slash's speech in the beginning is cut out. Adding this back in shifts everything by 34 seconds. Hence an additional timestamp is provided for these vocals to indicate timing that correlates to Live Era.
   2:05-2:39 "If I say I don't need anyone" (studio)                       (1:31-2:05)
   2:43-2:46 "Oh! Smile!" (Las Vegas)                                            (2:09-2:12)
   2:51-3:25 "I've seen everything imaginable" (studio)                (2:17-2:51)
   3:28-3:29 "Oh! Oh!" (Las Vegas)                                                (2:54-2:55)
   5:57-6:17 "Here I am, and you're a Rocket Queen" (studio)     (5:23-5:43)
   6:18         "Oh!" (Las Vegas)                                                       (5:44)
   6:55-8:50 "I see you standing" (studio)                                     (6:21-8:16)
   8:52         "Yeah" (Las Vegas)                                                     (8:18)

Sweet Child O' Mine - Paris 1992-06-06
   The vocals on this track have been completely overdubbed in the studio.
   Overdubbed vocals: 100%
   Bad Time intro has been muted but parts of it remain faintly audible in the beginning of the intro. 
   Axl's original vocals are faintly audible starting at 6:11 "Chi-ild, chi-ild…".

Knockin' On Heaven's Door - London 1992-04-20
   Only two words have been overdubbed.
   Overdubbed vocals: 0,9%
   At 1:33 Axl singing "Ooohh yeeahah, ooh yeah" has been muted, it remains faintly audible.
   0:37-5:04 "Mama take this badge from me" (London)
   5:05-5:06 "Heaven's door" (studio)
   5:06-7:13 "Wooaoaoawaoo ooooh yeah" (London)
   
Don't Cry - Tokyo 1992-02-22
   This vocals on this track are untouched.
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%

Estranged - Tokyo 1992-02-22
   The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 95,4%
   0:38-3:34 "When you're talking to yourself" (studio)
   3:36-3:39 "Alone! Oh!" (Tokyo)
   3:49-4:08 "So nobody ever told his baby" (studio)
   4:09-4:13 "Ladies and gentlemen, on the keyboards" (Tokyo)
   5:44-6:20 "When I find all of the reasons" (studio)
   6:49-6:52 "Well I jumped into the river" (Tokyo)
   6:52-7:38 "Too many times to make it home" (studio)
   7:38-7:44 "Ow! Ahhh (whistle)" (Tokyo)
   8:32-9:19 "I never found anyone to replace you" (studio)

Paradise City - Las Vegas 1992-01-25 (London 1992-04-20)
   This track is a hybrid of two performances. 
   Overdubbed vocals: 0%
   Mother intro cut.
   There are clear instances of instruments from Las Vegas under vocals from London, see odd note at 4:06 for an example. I think it's fair to assume the entire instrumental performance is from Las Vegas.
   The chorus vocals edited in from London are an absolute mess. 
   Axl singing "Take me down..." the second time in the first chorus (2nd time in the song) and "Won't ya take me home" the second time in the second chorus (4th time in the song) are used for every chorus.
   The only exception from this is the first chorus in which the original "Why won't ya" lines are used instead of the the first part of "Won't ya take me home" (4).
   Numbers after voice-lines denote which time he sang it in the original performance. A 2 indicates the second time Axl sang a particular line. 
   These numbers are only present when the line is used in a different part of the track on Live Era than on the original performance.
   0:49-0:53 "Take me down…" 2 (London, incorrect line)
   0:54-0:55 "Why won't ya" (London)
   0:56-0:58 "Take me home" 4 (London, incorrect line)
   0:59-1:05 "Take me down… why won't ya" (London)
   1:06-1:08 " Take me home" 4 (London, incorrect line)
   1:08-2:10 "Look out! (Las Vegas)
   2:19-2:31 "Rags to riches or so they say" (London)
   2:31-2:47 "Take me down" 2, Won't ya take me home 4, Take me down 2 (London, incorrect line)
   2:47-2:51 "Won't ya take me home" 4 (London)
   3:01-3:13 "Strapped in the chair" (Las Vegas)
   3:14-3:28 "Take me down" 2, Won't ya take me home 4, Take me down 2 (London, incorrect line)
   3:29-4:02 "Won't ya take me home" (Las Vegas)
   4:03-4:12 "So far away, so far away" (London)
   4:13-4:25 "Captain America has been torn apart" (Las Vegas)
   4:26-4:44 "Take me down" 2, Won't ya take me home 4, Take me down 2, Won't ya take me home 4 (London, incorrect line)
   4:44         "Take it!" (Las Vegas)
   4:54-5:00 "Take me down" 2, Won't ya 4 (London, incorrect line)
   5:01-6:45 "Take me hooooomeeee" (Las Vegas)  

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November 2022 - Waemoth

Amazing work!
 

Three questions for you. 
 

1. How long did this take you?
 

2. Do you have a job? 
 

3. If yes, what do you do for work that allows you the time it took in order to do this?

13 hours ago, merryfnchristmas said:

Yeah so I thought too. But Slash never responded to my post show booty call DMs. What a tease. 

That’s because he’s preoccupied with still being in Axl’s ass….

7 hours ago, BucketEgg said:

slash has a towel-tail as well!

Duff doesn't have a tail though.

I don't think I saw Fortus with a tail either

 

all those tails are reminding me of a really weird game we played in primary school in Australia. so the P.E teacher gave everyone each one long fabric to stick down a part of their pants, to act as a tail. and the goal was to chase other kids, to pull out their "tails", and stick those stolen tails down your own pants, so you'd be the kid with the most tails. but some kids would stick the fabric tail really far down, so their tail was short, and nobody wanted to chase them because then they might accidentally touch the other kids butt.

 

Little fashion side note for everyone. 
 

Bandanas (handkerchief)  in the back pocket originated during the days where being promiscuous was taboo. Having one hanging out of your back pocket was a sign you were DTF. Aka Hanky Panky. 

3 hours ago, Sweersa said:

What a great show. I want to hear Wichita live badly. They didn't play it in Detroit 2021

No you don’t 😂

4 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

I genuinely thought they would have played a Nazareth tune. Maybe the next gig.

Not a chance in hell. 

Just had a chance to finally listen to NR. I feel they did a fantastic job with this. Would be awesome if this orchestral backing track would be used live every time they play it.  

On 10/1/2022 at 4:49 PM, Gordon Comstock said:

Not sure if this is the place to post this, but some here might be interested.

A couple months ago one of my favourite artists posted this on instagram, saying it was a jacket custom-made for Axl: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg12633Ojxa/

He just posted a bunch of his old shirts/jackets/etc for sale on his website, so if anyone wants to spend several hundred on a leather jacket that was made for Axl, here's the link: https://www.slumerican.com/collections/wolfs-closet/products/studded-rock-roll-saved-my-soul-leather-jacket

 

Description:

The worlds most dangerous Rock N Roll jacket!

Christian Benner made this jacket for Axl Rose for the 30th Anniversary of Appetite for Destruction tour live at the Apollo show. The jacket was too small so Axl sent it back. Comes with Signed Letter of Authenticity from Christian Benner.

Size L Men's

Pit to pit - 19.5"

Length - 27.5"

 

edit: there's some other vintage GNR/rock shirts on that site, too.

Check your PM’s 

26 minutes ago, DustNBones1990 said:

That’s not the same? The claw under the pocket on the chest on Axl’s jacket and the one the guy is selling it’s missing, also the flower is completely different compared to the real jacket

I’m assuming it’s a replica? 🤔 

Replica. Or an alternate version. Not the one Axl wore on tour. 

On 10/1/2022 at 4:49 PM, Gordon Comstock said:

Not sure if this is the place to post this, but some here might be interested.

A couple months ago one of my favourite artists posted this on instagram, saying it was a jacket custom-made for Axl: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg12633Ojxa/

He just posted a bunch of his old shirts/jackets/etc for sale on his website, so if anyone wants to spend several hundred on a leather jacket that was made for Axl, here's the link: https://www.slumerican.com/collections/wolfs-closet/products/studded-rock-roll-saved-my-soul-leather-jacket

 

Description:

The worlds most dangerous Rock N Roll jacket!

Christian Benner made this jacket for Axl Rose for the 30th Anniversary of Appetite for Destruction tour live at the Apollo show. The jacket was too small so Axl sent it back. Comes with Signed Letter of Authenticity from Christian Benner.

Size L Men's

Pit to pit - 19.5"

Length - 27.5"

 

edit: there's some other vintage GNR/rock shirts on that 

2 hours ago, t-p-d-a said:

did you mean at 0:41? it's still there

You’re correct. Just listened again. Seems it’s buried lower in the mix this time around. 

I’m missing the “airplane flying overhead” sound in the intro. 

1 hour ago, Politania said:

whose ego? can you develop more I do not fully understand.

thx

Slash. Duff. Axl. 

1 hour ago, Tyson said:

Yea, but it gets lost in certain threads. Considering the potential significance of it, I think it deserves its own thread for more eyeballs and more analysis 

No.

no.

no.

8 minutes ago, axlsalinger said:

You want another thousand page thread?

No again for this reason exactly.

16 hours ago, axlvai said:

That shit it was in the past. I mean the guys are older and have this machine making cash.... its not about egos anymore.

The managment was right calling Duff n Slash back.... better than never. And they know how this reunion was a good choice.

Now again... this can be forever, they cannot continue with this NITL Tour with the same shit. We want moore. New graphics, pyro, new drummer, etc. And comeback again.

 

It’s 1000000% about ego. 
 

Management didn’t call Duff and Slash back. Axl did. 
 

They can continue to tour the same way without changing a thing and continue to rake in millions.
 

The “We want more” doesn’t apply because they don’t care about the casual fan base. Honestly, they don’t care about “the fans” in general. Guns was never a fan friendly band. They never will be. 

1 hour ago, gavgnr said:

I fear you might be waiting a while 😐

Not really. I don’t “wait” for new Guns music. I’m not your typical fan.