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Richard is my favorite person in New Guns. I just don't see where he'd fit in a reunion. He has things going on and I just don't see him staying when you could very easily get Gilby if not Izzy, since Gilby is on fine terms with everyone. Gilby, Duff, Slash and Sorum just play together too much for me to see any agreeing to a reunion without the other, in Izzy and Adler's absence.

I don't see Fortus being kicked out. I see everyone in New Guns obviously understanding what the case would be.

Unless for some reason Axl desperately wants him there to show not everyone from his new lineup left and he at least found a great guy in Richard.

I really wouldn't look at it like a reunion... just a continuation of what Axl has always done

Totally disagree and I think thats where Slash's presence makes a huge factor. Him being involved means Axl isn't the one calling every shot anymore. So no, I don't think bringing Slash on is a continuation of what Axl has been doing. Its a new start and its going back to what the band is. I get how Axl fans might want to see it a different way, but that kind of is the open and shut case about it. Hence why I think if you get Slash on board, you're getting a full Appetite or Illusion reunion.

Izzy is gonna do it. He's up for the reunion, he said it several times.

It'll be Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Dizzy and a drummer (maybe two, Steven and Matt).

Totally agree. While I get nervous about Izzy's flakiness, I think he outright said if everyone came to the Hall Of Fame he obviously would, and I do think if you get Axl, Slash and Duff on board, Izzy would gladly take part, or at least give a blessing. But I think he has said he sees no reason not to revisit it under the right circumstances.

So you think if Slash comes back, it will be a 100% reunion of AFD/Illusion lineups?

I haven't thought of it being that way at all.. I just don't see Axl saying fuck it to the last 20 years of what he's been doing or not doing. I think he had/has a vision and just walking away from that just from a conversation/conversations with slash . Im thrilled they are speaking again, and would love to see that era onstage again.

I mean.. this could have been happening behind the scenes for awhile now and just not been aware.

Interesting times right now. Im curious to see and read how this plays out

Things are in motion, although i still don't get my hopes up for a reunion

If Axl can't get into shape, it's worthless now....

On the other side: after 19-20 years they are finally on talking terms and that's good enough for them

I agree 100%. Axl has to get into shape. I

Richard is my favorite person in New Guns. I just don't see where he'd fit in a reunion. He has things going on and I just don't see him staying when you could very easily get Gilby if not Izzy, since Gilby is on fine terms with everyone. Gilby, Duff, Slash and Sorum just play together too much for me to see any agreeing to a reunion without the other, in Izzy and Adler's absence.

I don't see Fortus being kicked out. I see everyone in New Guns obviously understanding what the case would be.

Unless for some reason Axl desperately wants him there to show not everyone from his new lineup left and he at least found a great guy in Richard.

I really wouldn't look at it like a reunion... just a continuation of what Axl has always done

After sobering up I considered that Slash is refering to them both signing off on each others projects, not really had a conversation. The source is shady, its in some weird viking language and probably. Out of context again. And suddenly Axl is great again?

I think they should do it even if they hate each other. Think of the money!

The Swedish part just makes it all seem more legit to my fevered mind. They're trying to trickle out this idea that fences have been mended. Where better to do that than in fucking northern Sweden in the dead of night? Who the hell would pick up on that? It's like something a Bond villain would come up with. Or Axl, who pretty much is one these days.

What they didn't count on was the rabid fanbase guns still has. There's no whispering news like this. And those are the same rabid fans that'll fill stadiums all over the world if they follow through.

I disagree. And thats mainly cause I think Slash is very careful with what he says about Guns. I don't think the location of the interview had anything to do with it. Its the internet, where essentially everything gets picked up. I don't think, if this is real, that Slash was like "oh, I could say it here cause no one's ever gonna read this." No, he's smarter than that. He knows him saying something along these lines will get picked up instantly, if not for any reason other than its how the article would promote the interview. If you don't think thats gonna be the headline you're crazy, no matter who the publication is, and he knows very well that'll get picked up. So either there's been a miscommunication, or this is a legitimate first step at least to friendship. I won't even say reunion. But Slash knows what he says and this has made the rounds today. I would hope if its not true it would have been clarified by Slash or his management or something at this point, which it hasn't so I'm still praying its true.

A few other lingering things I've seen: while I get some of you are interested in the unreleased Chinese material (certainly if its there I'd want to give it a listen), it 100% absolutely goes on the backburner for a Guns reunion. Thats not even a question. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it ever gets released at that point, as essentially right now there's no proof it ever will. But Guns reunion trumps everything Axl's been working on and we wouldn't see it for years. Again, if there's even a market for it which I get there is for us but literally almost no one else. As for touring with a reunion, I don't think Slash gets on unless its a full reunion. You can kiss everyone in NuGuns goodbye, which is unfortunate cause I love Richard. But come on, let's not kid ourselves here. Slash isn't touring with people from that new band. A drummer? Thats either Steven, but at worst its Sorum and I don't even think thats a question. Slash is very close with him and there's no way he rejoins and Sorum somehow gets passed over. As for an Izzy replacement if he wouldn't do it? I'd be shocked if it didn't go to Gilby. Maybe in a dream it would be Richard, but I think you get Slash on board and he and Duff and even probably Axl would know it'll go back to being the older guys. I think thats a no brainer but maybe I'm way off.

IF!!!!!!!! Anything ever comes from this, I don't think Axl is just going to kick Richard Fortus to the side. Axl is a pretty loyal dude, and Fortus has, to my knowledge, never said one negative thing towards Rose... ever.

I would like to Fortus and Slash jam together

I like their version of Sympathy and thought Axl having Paul Huge do that call and response to Slash's solos was actually a nice touch.

The Spaghetti Incident is a great record and why its so easily dismissed by most GnR fans baffle me.

imo their best covers are Raw Power, Aint it Fun, and Sympathy.

In Steven's lawsuit he had a part called The spaghetti incident, where someone in the band ate his spaghetti without asking, as to show that the band did things without asking his permission.

Points for ISE and Locomotive. Get in the ring top 3?

7.5/10

1.) Brownstone

2.) TWAT

3.) Locomotive

did the full version of that eric cadieux mix " lies they tell" ever come out? I heard the first 45 seconds of it or however long it was

Axl

Finck

Bucket

Izzy

Tommy

Brain

I say Finck over Slash just because I want/ would love to hear what else Axl and Finck wrote together. If I've heard it all then I would replace Finck with Slash

Im pretty invested in the 97' on era of the band. Ive chewed the cud of appetite/illusions for as long as you can,,

Axl should apologize to Slash.

Every member that left citied Axl's antics as a major/THE reason for their departures. Hes the common thread of consistency. And while I don't think ALL the blame should go to Axl, I think he holds more fault than any other individual member.

That being said, just let it go, and see things for what they are now. They should just both apologize to each other and see what happens from there.

No way.

The entire lineup is to blame equally.

I've been in various bands all of my life, obviously nowhere near the scale of GnR, but make a decent living playing 3-4 nights a week.

There is no way in hell I would ever, I mean E V A R!!!11!! sign the rights to my band away, ever. Plain and simple Slash and Duff were idiots and the band had piss poor management with Doug Goldstein. All of the internal issues/drama could of been squashed if they would of just got in a room and ironed the stuff out. Or split and go their separate ways. A really good management team would of been helpful to them.

Slash and Duff didn't call Axl on his BS and they should have

Slash and Duff shouldn't of been junkies, but they were.

I look at it like this. If I start a company or if any of you start a company, do you want the multi million dollar company in the hands of guys that are junkies? Everything you have worked your entire life for? I doubt it.

The entire band was out of control and no one was driving the ship. Sad, a band that big and huge and skilled...faded to nothing

This band used to be so good. Why, Axl? Why?

I ask this question almost everyday man =/

1988 was definitely the peak. Sweet Child hitting #1 as a single and Appetite for Destruction spending a month at #1 on the top of the billboard top 200.

Not to derail the thread, but I will never understand the Why Axl Why crap..

I don't care what anyone says about Axl and his ego and etc etc.. its all very valid points, but somehow the fact that the rest of the band were complete junkies and slaves to booze and dope somehow gets over looked, and is perfectly acceptable just baffles me. It baffles me that this is ok to everyone and Axl is still somehow the one to blame for the demise of the old lineup.

I liked how they were wasted from all the drugs and booze...Even though they were drunk all the time look what great records they still were able to produce..They looked more cool =P Just look this video of Duff and Slash:

And how cool Slash looks in this picture:

That's great that you liked that, but you also have to realize that what made them so great was what was killing them internally. I liked that as well, they were everything I was looking for in a band.

But Im not so naïve to think Axl so dramatically killed the band all by his lonesome self with his wacked out sense of reality and being King Dick. I blame the entire band equally.

They had piss poor management

They ( band and management) catered to Axl's every whim

Slash and Duff were admitted junkies. And their addiction was something that brought a ton of baggage to the table

The band failed to communicate with each other and they had waaay to many people involved in their everyday life.

This band used to be so good. Why, Axl? Why?

I ask this question almost everyday man =/

1988 was definitely the peak. Sweet Child hitting #1 as a single and Appetite for Destruction spending a month at #1 on the top of the billboard top 200.

Not to derail the thread, but I will never understand the Why Axl Why crap..

I don't care what anyone says about Axl and his ego and etc etc.. its all very valid points, but somehow the fact that the rest of the band were complete junkies and slaves to booze and dope somehow gets over looked, and is perfectly acceptable just baffles me. It baffles me that this is ok to everyone and Axl is still somehow the one to blame for the demise of the old lineup.

I actually heard he was leaving GnR in the fall.

any streams of this show?

Ha. This entire thread is laughable.

At least we know he's not in "Just touring" mode.

How exactly? Because Axl said they are thinking about releasing Silkworms? Which will not happen by the way

I realize most fans, including myself, are hoping for new material at some point, but it will not happen this year or next year. How do I know? The same reasons that every single member here should know. History. Axl could give a flying fuck about releasing new material and could care less that fans want it.Fans are still going to shows and pumping touring dollars in and he will ride that out for at least the rest of the year.

As of November '12 all they have done as this lineup is kicked around ideas. They have not entered the studio, as a commitment, to start recording and again, History has proven what that will entail.

Im no insider and this is nothing more than a realist point of view as a fan that fans of this band should never get their hopes up, especially in regards to something as stupid as a " Gunns exclusive standing in a fan line 2 second quip chatting with Axllololololol"

I have no idea where the "next" album stands, and dont really know what this current lineup can deliver when writing new material. If Axl is still hanging on to material and plans to release material that was written 10-15 years ago, what does that say about his confidence in this current lineup to write material?

Releasing Silkworms, which is a song I like, is just a huge slap in the face to this current lineup. Either that, or he believes this lineup cant write shit.

All you are doing is sticking up for a guy with no audience. And stop telling me what I like and don't like. He used to be great, but he has softened since he got his divorce, and is now a kiss ass. He would never ask Axl the questions you would want him to do.

I never said he wanted to be Jay Leno, he rips him cause he cant be a Jay Leno talk show demo.

You are taking the wrong angle here, Howard Stern has disappeared from the mainstream media since he left terrestrial radio. Not personal, just the way it is. Who gives a shit if he saved an outdated fledgling company?

And anyone who thinks Stern would get Axl is insane, Howard is busy with Rosie O; Donnel and Kelly Ripa now. He is a Long Island Slut now. He is not edgy anymore.

I hope Stern tears Axl a new ass hole.

Dumbass ginger.

The only people Stern rips now are disabled people. He is a Hollywood suck up.

Yes, Howard has changed over the years. He's almost 60 years old, what do you expect? Fartman?

Edgy as in how?

Hollywood suckup? Hardly

He did indeed save satelite radio. He's not irrevelant, his shows still make national headlines on a regular basis. I was more of a 90's- early 2000's listener, and a lot through the artie lange years, but the show is still quite good and still the best thing going today as far as talk radio goes.

http://www.antimusic.com/news/12/December/17Guns_N_Roses_India_Tour_Ends_In_Drama.shtml

Havent been on in a few days. Any truth to this?

I think they tour America to often to sell out all the time. That's why they sell out elsewhere around the world, as the tours a less frequent.

When they toured the states in 2011, it was the first time in 5 years. The vast majority did not sell out. Do you have any other excuses?

What is your point?

So sellouts are the only way to judge a successful tour? I was at a few shows on their 2011 states tour and it was justifiable for them to play arenas. They averaged 6500 tickets sold at everyshow. As much as you might want to bash that, its still a success.

I saw the Foo Fighters in St.Louis a couple years ago, it was not a sellout, but im pretty sure it was a success

They didnt do the UCAP tour because they couldnt play bigger venues, They just played over 30 shows in arenas. I think they just wanted to do something small for the fans. I would choose GnR at the house of blues in chicago over GnR at the sprint center any day of the week.

The Vegas residency averaged 87% capacity at every show. That was a success.

Are they as relevant in 2012 as they were in 1991? No

I have a few questions,,

Is the music industry the same as it was in 1991?

Do album sales matter in 2012?

What do you judge a success by?

Are the states the only place that matters?

What was the best song GnR recorded between 1985 and 1991?

What was the best song GnR recorded between 1999 and 2008?

List 5 rock bands that are relevant in the states in 2012 in the 18-35 yr old demographic

Besides heroin, name something Steven Adler does well

March 13th, 2010 @ Palmeiras Stadium, São Paulo, Brazil.

It was confirmed by the media that he had to go to the hospital on the earlier night, thus he couldn't attend to the secret acoustic concert on the Disco Club, which caused the riot there. On the concert, during Knocking On Heaven's Door he said that due to his step throat, he wouldn't be able to perform on both concerts (secret acoustic to a few bunch of celebrities and the sold out stadium with 50 thousand fans), so he obviously picked the stadium concert,

Just watch any other videos from São Paulo, he sounded pretty decent.

umm...

what?

ask yourself why i would choose to prostitute myself to live with fortune and shame

somebody pm me a direct link, please

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Please Fuck Off. Seriously mods, you really need to start doing something about this or myself, and I'll wager a good number of solid posters as well, will find somewhere else to discuss GNR.

Absolutely ridiculous the number of threads that have no business being posted and discussed. Layne, please stop being a douche or find somewhere else to poison your surroundings.

This place is a joke.

At the moment?

Two guys who were shot in to the stratosphere of wealth,fame,superstardom by rabid fans who embraced the bands' music,attitude and lifestyle..following the band religiously without fail through every fucking pitfall and peak of glory during the "classic" era.Aforementioned two guys snubbing those very same fans at the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame for absolute fucking bullshit smokescreen pseudo-political rubbish reasons....well,one at least.One just didn't seem to be chuffed enough to get off the fucking couch and hop a plane.

If that era is so fucking behind you....why is it all still the epicentre of said band's current existence?

To be honest, in my opinion it was quite clear to me that the RNRHOF was just a platform skeemed up by the institution to get Axl to reunite with people he hasn't talked to in 20 something years and doesn't have any intention to. Axl was right with his "damned if I don't, damned if I do," mentality. If he showed up and didn't play, people would bitch. If he showed up, played with the old band, and didn't reunite with the old band people would bitch even more. Axl took the high road and just stayed out of it, same with Izzy.

I wasn't surprised in the slightest of Axl not attending the RNRHOF ceremony. Axl has made it quite clear that he has no intention to play with Slash, even going so far as to call him a "cancer." The only thing that would've made the mass media praise Axl was if he reunited on April 14, 2012. Anything less than that and he would be bashed.

Bull shit. Bull fucking shit. He played with fans' dicks for months. Called the induction "a huge honor", "a victory for the fans". Not to mention he played with Bruce and inducted Elton at the same place and ceremony years ago. His main sock puppet openly said they'd all be in attendance. He had two golden opportunities to shut it down completely and instead he left it pretty open ended.

Then three days before the ceremony, he comes out with this huge woe is me cry baby rant. I did not for one second believe in that whole "damned if I do, and damned if I don't" bullshit, and I don't see how anybody with any functioning brain cells would. EVERYBODY outside these boards would kill for a reunion over what's considered "GNR" today. That is never going to change. Ever. Had he, God willing, by some miracle even performed with Slash and Co that night, it would've been a temporary inflation to an already existent problem. And with tools like twitter, and facebook, everybody could have made it clear it would have been a one night only event. The least he could have done was been honest, and maybe even given fans a heads up even sooner.

Duff and co (specifically referring to the open letter Duff sent out around the same time as Axl's open leter) understood this what an appreciation for all the fans that put them into the high life they are in today. This isn't about obligations, this was about appreciation and thanks. Maturity. There was no reason he couldn't have shown that, and remember where he came from, and who got him this fame in the first place. The fans. Instead it got ruined because of an immature dick measuring contest that makes no sense.

Izzy just seemed liked he wanted to stay outta the limelight specifically because it had become sucha cluster fuck. The whole "I've waited until now to see what would have become of the rnrhof blah blah blah". Still; it was sad, but at least he wasn't a huge fucking prima donna about it. But Zint's perspective of that is spot on.

Great post. You make some great points

Ohmygod....u are correct. There are "cupcakes" here for sure. My only point is why do u guys care so much? The best way to quiet a cupcake is to ignore them, not to add to the negativety.

Download.....you sound like a complete douche. Have you heard of htgth? It is a fan website, where people like you can go worship. This is a forum though, a place for people with different opinions can share their ideas. Calling people haters because they don't worship a band is idiotic.

Hahahahahahaha

Worship GnR?? No thanks

Complete Douche? Perhaps

The Rock N Roll of fame was such a setup and you're a moron and if you cant see that. Why would he show up for it? For the fans? Give me a break

Rock N roll hall of fame is not about or for the fans and to bash Axl over not attending is idiotic. There was never a chance he was going to attend.

But you proved my entire point. Theres a difference, there really is. If all you spew is negative..you are indeed a " hater" and if you say something about the haters and their obvious trolling..you are a " Worshiper" .. GnR fans are really that ignorant. I dont agree with everything Axl does, I rarely post because most threads are dumb and not worth it. This is nothing more than a trolling thread, but the RRHOF shit is old and to continue bashing Axl for not attending is just stupid. Get over it and see that there was a hell of a lot more going on.

So you yourself admit that you are ignorant? Wow, that was too easy.

Sure

If everything I post is negative I would be a hater

If everything I post is positive and Axl never did anything wrong I would be a worshiper

I would say I fall somewhere inbetween.. The ignorant category

Wow, that was too easy

At the moment?

Two guys who were shot in to the stratosphere of wealth,fame,superstardom by rabid fans who embraced the bands' music,attitude and lifestyle..following the band religiously without fail through every fucking pitfall and peak of glory during the "classic" era.Aforementioned two guys snubbing those very same fans at the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame for absolute fucking bullshit smokescreen pseudo-political rubbish reasons....well,one at least.One just didn't seem to be chuffed enough to get off the fucking couch and hop a plane.

If that era is so fucking behind you....why is it all still the epicentre of said band's current existence?

To be honest, in my opinion it was quite clear to me that the RNRHOF was just a platform skeemed up by the institution to get Axl to reunite with people he hasn't talked to in 20 something years and doesn't have any intention to. Axl was right with his "damned if I don't, damned if I do," mentality. If he showed up and didn't play, people would bitch. If he showed up, played with the old band, and didn't reunite with the old band people would bitch even more. Axl took the high road and just stayed out of it, same with Izzy.

I wasn't surprised in the slightest of Axl not attending the RNRHOF ceremony. Axl has made it quite clear that he has no intention to play with Slash, even going so far as to call him a "cancer." The only thing that would've made the mass media praise Axl was if he reunited on April 14, 2012. Anything less than that and he would be bashed.

Bull shit. Bull fucking shit. He played with fans' dicks for months. Called the induction "a huge honor", "a victory for the fans". Not to mention he played with Bruce and inducted Elton at the same place and ceremony years ago. His main sock puppet openly said they'd all be in attendance. He had two golden opportunities to shut it down completely and instead he left it pretty open ended.

Then three days before the ceremony, he comes out with this huge woe is me cry baby rant. I did not for one second believe in that whole "damned if I do, and damned if I don't" bullshit, and I don't see how anybody with any functioning brain cells would. EVERYBODY outside these boards would kill for a reunion over what's considered "GNR" today. That is never going to change. Ever. Had he, God willing, by some miracle even performed with Slash and Co that night, it would've been a temporary inflation to an already existent problem. And with tools like twitter, and facebook, everybody could have made it clear it would have been a one night only event. The least he could have done was been honest, and maybe even given fans a heads up even sooner.

Duff and co (specifically referring to the open letter Duff sent out around the same time as Axl's open leter) understood this what an appreciation for all the fans that put them into the high life they are in today. This isn't about obligations, this was about appreciation and thanks. Maturity. There was no reason he couldn't have shown that, and remember where he came from, and who got him this fame in the first place. The fans. Instead it got ruined because of an immature dick measuring contest that makes no sense.

Izzy just seemed liked he wanted to stay outta the limelight specifically because it had become sucha cluster fuck. The whole "I've waited until now to see what would have become of the rnrhof blah blah blah". Still; it was sad, but at least he wasn't a huge fucking prima donna about it. But Zint's perspective of that is spot on.

Great post. You make some great points

Ohmygod....u are correct. There are "cupcakes" here for sure. My only point is why do u guys care so much? The best way to quiet a cupcake is to ignore them, not to add to the negativety.

Download.....you sound like a complete douche. Have you heard of htgth? It is a fan website, where people like you can go worship. This is a forum though, a place for people with different opinions can share their ideas. Calling people haters because they don't worship a band is idiotic.

Hahahahahahaha

Worship GnR?? No thanks

Complete Douche? Perhaps

The Rock N Roll of fame was such a setup and you're a moron and if you cant see that. Why would he show up for it? For the fans? Give me a break

Rock N roll hall of fame is not about or for the fans and to bash Axl over not attending is idiotic. There was never a chance he was going to attend.

But you proved my entire point. Theres a difference, there really is. If all you spew is negative..you are indeed a " hater" and if you say something about the haters and their obvious trolling..you are a " Worshiper" .. GnR fans are really that ignorant. I dont agree with everything Axl does, I rarely post because most threads are dumb and not worth it. This is nothing more than a trolling thread, but the RRHOF shit is old and to continue bashing Axl for not attending is just stupid. Get over it and see that there was a hell of a lot more going on.