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1 hour ago, killuridols said:

I know... but I think what he was missing there was the understanding that Guns N' Roses were made of special people, and you can go get the best guitarist on earth, but they will not be Slash. What Axl didn't understand was that the essence of the band was in the individual human beings and not so much in a "formula" that you can replicate by placing one similar guy in the spot of someone else. Neither Slash, Duff, Izzy or Steven were or are perfect musicians. The coolness of them was their imperfections, even their clueless state at times. Back in the day, GN'R was a lifestyle, an attitude, that's what the fans liked about them.

Well, clearly millions of dollars do not get you the replica of Slash et al

Again, you keep saying things that I did not say so I don't know how to explain this to you again.... I never said that Axl was trying to revolutionize music. There was a bubbling feeling that if he had gone lengths to replace the whole band and keep working on that project for so many years, then the project had to be some sort of masterpiece. No one puts on so much effort, money and time just to throw it all away, but maybe in Axl's world, wasting millions of money on replicating a band he had before, it is a normal thing

The man could have used all that effort and time trying to fix the relationship with those guys and have a reunion 10 years ago. But obviously, he had serious issues to overcome before this happened. I think the whole CD saga is the tale of a madman.

I don't know what other people understand... I know there are many different fans with many different opinions on CD... which is not the same as saying they like it or not. Liking an album or not is more a subjective thing and here we are talking about the process of making that album.

It's not difficult for me to talk about the music in CD but that's not what we were talking about in first place This thread is not a CD discussion thread, it just derives from you telling me that I think the new album is going to fail because of some weird interpretation you've made of my words.

If you want to talk about CD from a musical point of view then tell me what we should talk about and I will try to respond. But maybe that should be a different thread.

OMG

You did not read ANYTHING of what I said before so I don't know how to explain anymore

If there ever is a new GN'R album, I hope Axl learned his lessons and he shuts the fuck up this time and only announces it when they are certain it is coming out.

Part of what ruined CD back in the day was that he talked a lot about it, he went on touring the shit several years prior to its release! and not to mention, the LEAKS.... I think thats what completely ruined it for me once the album came out.

Because Im gonna be honest here... I got all the leaks when they came out.... and I listened to them and wore them out... so much that when CD came out I was like MEH. Plus, I didn't like some of the new versions, they were different from what was in the leaks and they sounded not so good in my ears.

I have the hope that a new GN'R album with at least Slash and Duff on it will not become the monster CD was and will not suffer from all the delays and obstacles and hopefully, no leaks! Because here I agree with all artists that are against them..... leaks ruin the work of the artist and the surprise factor for the fans.... Its just so awful.

 

I just wanted to touch on the part about leaks. I agree. I may be one of the few fans who try to stay away from leaks no matter the temptation.

I can't say I haven't heard a few snippets of things but generally by accident.

Another thing to consider is artists can change songs because of leaks. I've heard of artists doing it. It could work out different ways. It could put the control back in the artists hands but it could also make the song better or worse in various people's eyes.

I imagine an artist perfecting a song and changing it due to a huge leak. Could it take away from the artists original point? Could it be a change that is forced rapidly maybe making the final product not up to the artists standards? Could it actually add something better or more catchy? Absolutely to all.

My points aren't really using GnR as an example just leaks and artists in general if that makes sense.

I do keep up on titles of GnR leaks etc just don't listen to them.

1 hour ago, Ant said:

Whaaaat! Grats man I’m jealous as hell haha.

Thank you. I know it's hard to tell by usernames online but I'm a lady lol.

Sounds interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing all these songs.

Slash is always epic on guitar. 

Well my opinion based off what you posted. It actually goes with part of my post earlier.

It's a well known fact that most of the band was against the ballads. As I said earlier they were the most popular songs that fans always wanted to hear at concerts on the radio etc.

Still to this day Steven talks badly about them.

It seems he had to fight to get those songs on the record. Many have said Axl was trying to take the band in a different direction. What is the truth there I can't say but his vision on the ballads were not off. 

Me personally if I was working with someone whoms vision has proved many times to be great I'd want to put more trust in that vision.

It's not to say others visions aren't great or shouldn't be honed and allowed to show.

I think perhaps it was a question as to what was so bad about his vision and how he basically wanted to take the band to higher limits. Those songs did. When he mentions him with Michael Jackson or any other artist it seems like he's wondering why he would play with them and not him. I can't  say for sure.

The media and many fans have put everything on Axl no matter what he has done or said. I think that was a part of what he was saying. He felt smeared by his at the time ex band members some fans and the media. 

I mean being honest those guys that played with GnR couldn't even do an interview without being asked about the original lineup most of the time. The media and many fans had already decided this or that. People can say what they want but I think much  of that swayed them on their opinion on the NuGnr lineup at the time. 

It's like getting a divorce and getting into another relationship and everyone constantly asks about your ex to your new Signif other and you even after decades have passed.

As I said before Axl kept the name alive rather it was from touring or whatever over the years. I'd like to think if more people were more receptive and not forming opinions off facts we don't know there might have been more music.

I'm happy that the band has healed and mostly back together. 

I mean look at this forum even today fans ask questions about the past. It's another reason why interviews may not be done as often as we like.

Fans always want to know more and it's not to say there's anything wrong with that but some things are best left in the past. Whatever their issues and misundsrstandings were, and I imagine it was many from different angles inside and outside of the band they've moved on.

4 minutes ago, RONIN said:

What always confused me about Axl's anger at Slash/Duff was his rant about the ex-members trying to profit from Guns and whoring out their association to the band by riding around with snoop dogg and jamming with Space Ghost. It sounded like he resented them using the fame of GnR for their solo careers/branding? Which seems bizarre because Slash and Duff were there from the beginning. Maybe I"m getting the context of the rant wrong perhaps. This was the Albany 2002 rant I think, the one where he says that "Slash may sound like the De La Hoya but he's the fuckin Vargas" before an audience member yells "Homo" at him. 

It's been a while and I don't remember the full context of that rant.

I could see where he may be leery on what is associated with Guns due to another member but not sure this applies here.

As far as profiting from well, at the time they weren't Guns per their own choices. Who knows what Axl was thinking. Again we don't know the behind the scenes things that went on. 

I know many may not agree with one side or the other honestly we may never know the facts of everything. I don't expect to. Out of all the bands I follow I've never heard of band members coming on forums talking to fans or their management. I think it's awesome that they have.

Of course, I'm not really a member of other bands forums either just going by what others have said or the times I've went to forums of other bands to read or look something up. Outside of AC/DC of course.

I'm glad they've reconciled and are moving on now.

While I think every member contributed to making Guns great I say Axl isn't replaceable.

Axl also wasn't the only one with what some are saying an ego. I'm sure others wanted to implement visions how they saw fit as well.

Axl hasn't been called one of the greatest front man ever for nothing. He is considered a Leader in GnR rather people like it or not.

We can all sit and speculate who said or did what but none of us were there and it seems the band  has moved on from that.

I do agree that Guns is better with all of them. When you go to a concert the fans scream for Axl. When Slash had Velevet Revolver they would scream for Slash though Scott also had a big following prior to VR as well.

This isn't to say fans aren't  yelling other members names either. 

If the story was different and somehow Axl was kicked out instead I don't think Guns would be where it is or the same.Rather people like it or not his vision and his leadership etc made Guns what they are. Many of the songs that became their greatest hits were songs other band members didn't like. His ballads have become iconic.

Somewhere today Steven is telling someone how he hates the ballads and their not GnR but they are. I don't know anyone who doesn't know the ballads.

Sure there are so many great songs outside the ballads but I mention them for his vision. 

This post has no bearing on what I think others have contributed to take the songs to another level. Clearly I can go on about Slash and his guitar  solos or even Steven's drumming in certain songs etc etc. 

It's the first interview in a long time. I'm excited for it.

40 minutes ago, smiley said:

congrats! glad to see someone get something!

i did not receive any email from them today

 

Thank you. It made my day that's for sure.

My roommate thought someone had died the way I was carrying on about it lol.

I got the email today. I won runner up prize.

I wonder when it will ship

I love both versions but the alt is my favorite.

Both did well but Axl gave Slither his own touch.

13 hours ago, IncitingChaos said:

With you guys saying how good Axl sounds tonight I’m excited to watch videos later! Hope you guys aren’t full of it

I stopped watching videos after I played back some I recorded one time. I should take that back. I mean I don't judge his voice or the band's sound off others recordings.

He sounded great live but it didn't sound great in the video snippets I had.

I also listened to some so called better quality ones from the same concerts and it didn't due it justice.

I learned it's not fair to judge how good he truly sounds or the band by watching a video. 

On 6/23/2018 at 5:15 PM, zigzagbigbag said:

Ok, what I really want to know is, if there is one person on this forum who bought the locked n loaded box and has the balls to "confess". 

I did right at the second when the pre-order was set and kind of regret it today. One second I have multiple reasons for justifying my purchase to myself and the other I cannot believe I was so hyped by this thing and so stupid to click "buy" without rational thinking.

Anyways, am I alone? Will I be the only person on this planet (or at least on this forum) who will own this box filled with some music and lots of crap?!  

I was willing to buy it for a few hundred less.

I do know a few people who got it. Both feel it's worth it. One is a hardcore fan.

I also read comments on facebook of others.

It's aimed at hardcore collectors. The Super is more aimed at your average GnR fan who also wants a little bit of collector type items. 

There is a price range for everyone honestly.

It just depends on if you only want music a little more or it all.

Want to add there are others who said they bought it on this forum. Don't let what anyone thinks deter or make you regret the purchase. 

12 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

If it doesn't go well, he is the one that loses.. It isn't hard to find a viable replacement drummer.. Unless you are Gn'R I guess.. Hell Fred Coury fit better than Frank does..

How do we know he hasn't broken a new contract?

Again every time Steven doesn't get his way he talks to the media and insults people. Sorry but no amount of contracts is going to force these guys to deal with that. 

This band had many personal issues amongst them Steven's back and forth and thrown insults just don't have a place with them. 

It's hard to work with someone you don't trust who will backstab you when you least expect it.

It is what it is.

Every thread ends up a Steven thread. I love Steven as a drummer and wish it worked out but at this point I'm looking forward to a guest apperance by Matt some day.

Steven seems like he would just sow discord in the band. 

As many have said Frank doesn't decide the tempo.

Axl likely decides or has a huge say because he is the one singing. There's many reasons why he could have moved the tempo up.

It's also why I don't get all the criticism of Frank. 

Some examples why bands speed things up are Faster tempo can really pump audiences. Of course this depends on the song. Ive heard many singers cover others songs in faster or slowed down versions.

Another reason could be the singers preference. This is another reason why its done a lot. The singer may wish to sing the song lower higher, faster slower etc.

The final reason I'll give is to fit more songs in. Some songs could be extra long and speeding them up can cut off a minute or two here and there allowing for more songs to fit in.

Of course it could also be a guitarist or any other band member for same reaaons as above 

The drummer doesn't generally decide personally I feel it's usually based on the singers needs though in some cases it could be off other band members strengths or weakness which I don't think is the case with Frank.

I think as a whole they like it this way. From what I know of Axl I feel if he didn't like Frank's drumming or Frank wasn't drumming how they wanted he wouldn't be there.

Want to add drummers can and do make certain songs more and set a tempo at times but they also must be in line with the main keys.

It could be Slash or Duff who like it faster and Axl who is just matching their tempo.

Maybe someone else remembers if these songs seemed faster before they came back.

11 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

No, I don't see what the problem is with a GN'R manager calling out parts of the fanbase, for the reasons stated previously. Parts of the fan base is practically begging for it.

I agree. I mean if fans can say things about him his family or the band surely he has a right to say something as well.

From what I read he said some not all.

Matt Sorum is just as much a drummer in GnR as Steven was.

I get it we all love Stevens drumming on Appetite but I also love Matt's drumming. 

The problem I have with Steven right now is he tries to pit the fans against the band.

In all honesty here I don't blame the band for moving on once he got hurt. Here's a band that hadn't played with each other in decades and on top of that had personal issues in the past. They had a lot riding on things. It's only fair the band wanted to rehearse. From Steven's own mouth he mentioned there being doubt from Duff he could drum well and or play certain songs.

As they're booking dates and rehearsing I'm sure the whole Steven situation was right there. They had to make a decision. People wanted stability and at the time they had no idea what Steven could offer as he didn't rehearse. Decisions had to be made to secure things. Steven was out. They also needed to get their groove back as a band. Perhaps as time progressed they felt Frank was there and could do it.

Perhaps, and we may never know those guest appearances could have led to more down the line. Steven however, ran his mouth over and over showing that he can't be trusted in the end.

No matter how much I love Steven as a drummer or want him there I'd never expect them to throw his weekly interviews under the rug amd welcome him into the fold. They all seem to be getting along great ans bringing a controversial person in who talks shit about them when things don't go his way would be bad for the band IMO.

Don't bring drama where there isn't any. Steven didn't play his cards right.

3 minutes ago, Order of Nine said:

I think by next week it could break the top ten. People should request it, if this single does good I'm sure more would come 

I agree. Fans complain about new music. Well keep up the requests and that shows GnR still has quite a bit of value. It's a stepping stone to new music.

On 5/13/2018 at 11:06 PM, BOSSY78 said:

 

Its now at 16.

7 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

I agree with most of that... however I just don't believe that Fernando has the power Steven thinks he does, history suggests otherwise. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Im with you Tom. I actually agree on many points as well and don't think Fernando has as much power.

To comment on other posts as a collective I agree there has been some comments from Axl with the Izzy situation being a prime example. TB has handled things perhaps without Axl knowing at the time but I don't think Fernando or TB rule Axl. 

Over the years people have amazed me how one minute they are saying Axl is in charge and calls all the shots blaming this or that on him. The next minute and as it suits some TB are in charge and took over Axl's life.

Again as killer said there are some examples where TB have seemed to make decisions on the fly but at the end of the day from what we know they tell Axl of that decision. Steven being invited back to hang out with Axl after being asked to leave is a prime example.

I know this isn't popular opinion here but don't care. I believe TB makes decisions to protect Axl rather he needs that protection or not. I don't feel there's evil motive behind it. I certainly don't believe they run Axl's life. Axl is his own man. I do believe he is open to their suggestions and or opinions they are his management and like his family.

As far as Steven's interview, as most will agree here, I'm usually hard on him however, I honestly don't feel it was that bad. I feel he answered a question he was asked. Most of his interviews I think he kicks himself in the arse but this one not as much.

It's doing good considering but a new song would top the charts. This shows how interested everyone is.

Yes if there were no songs added and interviews perhaps. For example once a month maybe, an interview with different and members including Axl, Slash and Duff or a new song. I'd also love to hear some of the vault even if snippets monthly. New music has to happen and all eras of their music must be available.

Of course I love buying the actual album for the artwork as well so I'd still want to be able to purchase it physically as well.

They could even offer members a stream of certain concerts.

Great story and love that pillow

Sounds even nore definite we're gettibg Axl/DC album

19 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

And the tour lithos are a lot more limited. I believe those were limited to 500 each. There's 10,000 of these ones each. 

Yes but how many attend the concert? The concert Lithos are sold at concerts. A much smaller crowd. The box set is a much bigger audience then thousands that attended a concert. 

So 10000 worldwide isn't very many just as 500 for a concert of thousands isn't very many.

The Lithos are one of the things that bumped it up higher. Those who end up wanting one will pay very high on Ebay or where ever.