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Just now, timoteo said:

You guys don’t get it you aren’t owed anything by anyone 

Oh fuck off.  Seriously, go fuck yo mamma.

Last night I told everyone to just stay calm and sit back and wait, cause once that vinyl reaches even ONE person that doesn't have a legal obligation, this song will spread amongst fans like wildfire and there's no way to ever put the genie back in the bottle.

Well....that all depended on it ever actually being pressed to vinyl.

I no longer believe this record is going to be manufactured.  The band will just cancel all orders, refund any money already collected, and call it a day.

The only way we were ever gonna get this song is if the physical record came out, and it's clear now that that is not going to happen.

It's possible the song was never really even supposed to be released.  It might have been dangled in front of us like a crowdfunder....get so many orders and the record will go ahead.  Not enough orders, you get nothing.  Or maybe this was yet another example of Axl claiming he was never "informed" and when he found out, he pitched a fit and got it canceled.

We will not be getting The General.  This release is never going to see the light of day, despite the obvious bullshit Fernando is trying to pull.

Those of you thinking a "digital release" is imminent and will finally deliver....stop.  It's not going to happen.  If they wanted this song to be released digitally, it would have been.

When December 8th rolls around, you'll get another email, this time informing you that the record was flat-out canceled.

Our one chance to hear this song was this weekend, as fans started to get early copies of the record.  THE RECORD DOES NOT EXIST.  We will NOT hear this song!

Accept it.

No need to worry.

I have zero faith in a digital release.

As soon as people get their hands on a copy, a recording will start making the rounds immediately.  Most likely this will take 4 or 5 more days.

BUT.....there's always a chance a copy of the record will reach an enthusiastic fan early and we'll get a recording that way.  That could literally happen any moment now.

Best case....we hear it in the next few hours.  Worst case....about 5 days from now.

5 minutes ago, Lobocop101 said:

So guys, Axl said that we might have heard parts of The General LIVE somewhere… well, that happens to be in Puerto Rico in 2010. They played 2 minutes of The General as an intro to Chinese Democracy. So I found a live YouTube video from Puerto Rico and you can hear(if all the “Woos” and screaming allows) a 2 minute instrumental. Mods please don’t ban me, this is a public video xD. Here’s the link.

 

"Lobocop."

Nice user name!

You should use this for your avatar!

1 minute ago, Coma16 said:

This makes sense. The song is controversial, and Hollywood has strong ties to pedophilia, so best to wait a week so ticket sales aren't affected.

Good lord, that's an active imagination you've got.

Well at least I'm not alone!

And you definitely seem to have a great grasp on English despite not being a native speaker.

Making us lazy Americans look bad!

(I hate studying foreign languages...)

7 minutes ago, kitstuai said:

Why would Side A of the vinyl would be on streaming but not Side B, that's nonsense, of course The General will be on streaming, but since the shipping date changed for whatever reason, I don't know when

Cause the b-side is the incentive to get people to buy the record?

BTW.....I've been listening to Atlas a lot to get myself all psyched up for The General.

I've always thought at the end, last line of the song, Axl is saying "Jesus how I'd hoped you understand."

According to online lyrics databases, all completely unofficial of course, people seem to think he's either saying "even now I hope you understand" or "Gee, even now I'd hope you understand."

Not kidding...look it up.  Someone out there really thinks Axl is using the word "gee" in a song.

But am I way wrong?  He's not saying "Jesus?" 

What do you guys think he's saying?

9 minutes ago, Illusion1987 said:

 

Why wouldn't they want to make money off if prople who want a digital copy???

 

 

They are charging $15.00 plus shipping for the Perhaps 7 inch.

The General is nothing more than an incentive to get you to spend over $20 on something you can hear for free on youtube anytime you want.

THIS IS HOW THEY MAKE MONEY.

You know how little bands get from shit like Spotify?  Like fractions of a penny for every time a song is played.  It's bullshit.

GNR knows they're a "brand" now.  If they want money, they sell shit.  Shit they get all the profits from, not fractions of pennies.

(Does anyone really pay for digital music?  I've never paid for anything digital in my life.  Guess I'm just a boomer.  Physical media, yes...I buy it and keep it.  Digital files are free.)

2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

If they don't put this out in decent audio quality it will be one of the biggest fails in GNR history. 

Decent is NOT stuffed onto a (quite likely) low quality vinyl 7inch. If it's long the quality will be even worse. 

I don't believe there can possibly be no other release of this song. It would be too ridiculous. 

I'm sure it'll be on a CD or something eventually, especially if it's really good.

People still buy CDs like crazy in Japan.  The Hard Skool CD got a lot of promotion there.  If nothing else, I predict a CD release in Japan in some form or another, but not necessarily anytime soon.

....wait, you guys are all counting on an official digital release?

WTF?

I thought we were counting down til someone gets their hands on the vinyl and shares it with us.  That's the only way we're gonna hear it.

If you're waiting for pristine digital clarity, you're in for a much, much longer wait.  That's not gonna happen til a true audiophile with an amazing set up can rip the vinyl and share it with us.  Could be a while.

I see no reason why someone won't just hit "record" on their phone like they did with Perhaps at the jukebox.

I thought we were all on the same page here in that understanding.  If you really think something's gonna happen at midnight New Zealand time, you're in for a big letdown.

Allegedly, the vinyl exists.  All we can do now is wait.  But it literally should be any day now.  Maybe even today.....

19 minutes ago, matheus.binotti said:

I made a remix of the 2010 orchestra mixed on the audio Vienna party, it's on YouTube, I posted it about 2 days ago, I made this for people who can't understand the audio

Can you PM the link?  If you post it publicly it'll get taken down.

11 minutes ago, Uncle Bob said:

I don't think he's saying he can't hear Axl, I believe he's saying he can't hear anything epic about it

I hear something.  It COULD be Axl Rose.  But it's such a muddled murky mess it's not worth listening to more than once.

14 minutes ago, rumandraisin said:

Why? You can hear from the mobile clip it's an epic. 

I have listened to that fucking shit-ass excuse of a recording dozens and dozens of times, straining to hear even a hint of Axl Rose over the inane chattering of partying douchebags.  I've tried headphones, speakers, adjusting levels, full volume......no matter what?

I swear that clip is like a Rorschach test.  People that claim they're hearing stuff are only hearing what they want to hear.

49 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

I have to say I do feel a sense of inevitable disappointment with this one. It's been built up for so long as some absolutely epic, monstrous holy grail of a song. 

And yet it seems like the final release is going to as a B side with no promotion as the band's tour finishes and they get ready for a pretty long hiatus. 

 

I do hope it's great. Mainly for the people that I know it means so much to. 

Hard to say.

The only thing that's absolutely certain is that not everyone will like it.

We all love GNR, yet even hardcore fans don't seem to see eye to eye on the CD songs.  Some of them are people's favorites, and to others they're dogshit.

In my personal opinion, I only think TWAT, SOD, and Catcher are any good on CD.  The rest is either mediocre filler or downright bad.  Some people will swear that "Madagascar" or "Prostitute" are FUCKING EPICCCCC and changed their lives or something.  To me they're just boring plodding bullshit.

The locker leaks happened and I was as thrilled as anyone to hear "new" music.  But none of it really stood out to me.  Hard Skool, Perhaps, State of Grace, Nothing, Eye on You.......all extremely "meh" songs in my opinion.

Then I heard Atlas and immediately lost my shit.  THIS was the kind of up-tempo power ballad I love from Axl.  Absolutely timeless classic in my mind.  I instantly loved it.  I'd put it right up there with some of my favorites from UYI II like Breakdown.  I fucking LOVE this song.

Yet...some fans think it's just a lame or mediocre track best left on the cutting room floor.

I'm trying to temper my expectations.  I know there'll never be another Estranged or Coma.  Those of you expecting that are going to be sorely disappointed.  But could it possibly be in the same league as Atlas?  God, I hope so.

I want to be wrong, really.  I just don't see it happening.

And all indications from the GNR crew is that they're taking all of 2024 off, and that there are no plans to record anything.  Slash is off with the Constipators, Duff is doing his own thing.

It's gonna be a quiet year.

And I have a feeling it won't ever get played live.

All indications at the moment are that it's a throwaway song.

If they really want to include it the way they did SOYL, Hard Skool, Absurd, and Perhaps, they're gonna have to rehearse and soundcheck it a lot more.

Doubt it's on their radar.  Best case is they'll try in 2025 if they feel up to it.

They only have four shows left after a long tour.  They're exhausted and probably can't wait to just chill the fuck out.  I'm sure they'll have some energy at the two Bowl shows, but no reason they're gonna debut an unrehearsed song.

I'd love to be wrong.

The band doesn't give a fuck what our "experience" is.

Vinyl was good enough for decades. 

Did you JUST discover GNR or something?

Their management perfected the art of the clusterfuck back in the 80s.

I think the original and the remix are about the same as far as how much I enjoy it.  It's just not a good song.

Hearing it again with raspier vocals was a novelty, though.

I do find it almost impossible to believe that he re-recorded the entire song around 2010 or so, cause that's so out of character.  But it's also hard to believe they'd have the 1993 vocals all ready to go and have them match up with the new backing tracks.

Just another of the many unsolved mysteries in the GNR world.

I don't "hate" it, but it was such a colossal letdown I'll never really "love" it.

I'm perfectly aware a lot of people DO love it....I'm not starting an argument or anything.

Just built it up so much in my mind all those years, and it was just........ugh.

I'm not saying I buy his story, but it's perfectly within reason to me that if you have a record that's not supposed to leak under any circumstances, but you want your friend to at least hear it, you call him and play it over the phone.

If this individual really exists, he's not interested in providing the members of mygnr a clip or sample or anything like that. 

Having said that, I'll still believe it when I see it.

We'll know in a few days (hopefully less) if this guy is full of shit or not.

6 minutes ago, twainwreck88 said:

I own you estranged twat. I’m your big macdaddy 

Ewwww.  You made it weird, man.

An old version, pre-Slash n' Duff.