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no contest, Freddie owns this hands down, props for Axl for even trying.

49 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

So you're just not going to answer to any of my points... OK point taken.

Move on, it's gonna be harder than ever if it comes to that but if anyone can, that's him. Specially if he decides to work as hard as he's been working for this and the AC/DC project.

4 hours ago, Slash787 said:

According to your logic, Axl should have continued with his shitty band and should not have come back in GNR with Duff and Slash. 

Guys Ego and Greed? we can clearly see who is greedy here. 

While I won't deny that I would have been happy if Slash didn't come back, my logic doesn't imply that he couldn't, I'm actually saying that Axl, Slash and to a much lesser extent Duff helped making this tour a success, 100 million+ wouldn't have happened if one of them was missing (well maybe Duff) add Izzy on the other hand and the money pile doesn't grow, it just gets divided with one more guy. So why would any of them cut their own pay when the success or fail of this tour falls squarely upon their shoulders.

19 hours ago, Slash787 said:

A lot of people can't seem to understand that Izzy was not paid what he deserved. Axl/Slash/Duff's decision that kept them from an AFD5 on stage reunion. 

He has been paid for every gig that he has done so far, if there was an unpaid gig then you would have a point but there's no such thing. Why should someone that doesn't really help bringing people into the stadiums get the same amount as those who do? If the money wasn't enough he should have done his own tour and see how much money they were missing for not including him, but the thing is that outside of us the gnr fan base there's really not that much interest in an Izzy Straddlin tour. It's moronic to think that people should cut their own pay just to satisfy this guy's ego and/or greed. It's beyond ridiculous to think that they need him when the tour just hit more than a hundred millions without him, and is quite dumb to think that they should stop performing songs that he co-wrote because A) he already got paid for them and B) those songs belong to GN'R as much as they belong to him.

3 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

Well, he does butcher CD songs, on the other hand, I don't even know why the hell they're playing them anyway. People waited for this reunion for 20 years, they want to listen to the classics, even with Axl sounding like that, why put CD songs on the setlist? I love CD, especially Better, but it doesn't make sense

Not your call to make.

8 hours ago, Towelie said:

This, I can understand. I don't agree with your opinion, I thought CD was pretty great, but at least your consistent in your opinion.

It's these clowns who think Slash playing some out-of-time blues licks over Bucket's Sorry solo all of a sudden transform the entire song that get me....

I don't hate it, I just don't think of it as anything great to be honest. I've enjoyed some takes of TIL, which is why I call it a hit or miss. It can be good or it can be garbage, depending on the night Better on the other hand is over all a worst song now (used to be one of my favorites live) the new intro, the generally awful solo (seriusly it sounds like Slash is trying to go into Bumble territory but he can't shred like that, he is coming up short and he just can´t do it justice live) TWAT and Sorry just sound weak, how did we went from CD best solo and a piece that would have worked equally as great in a GN'R song or in a Pink Floyd one, I will never know. To think I belived this one could actually be improved by him...

Catcher I can tollerate, but is not better than what we had in the album, sad part is that I actually think we could have had something better if he just tried to write something instead of trying something different each night. I will give you that at least the energy in CD hasn't changed, maybe is the faster tempo or something else entirely but althoug the new solo is nothing to write home about the song itself is for me, when considering the overall performance.

Actually I agree, his takes in general are pretty mediocre, with TIL being completely hit or miss, with a few exceptions here and there. To be honest his take on the songs are worst than anything the "old one" ever come up with, except for the Patience thing. It's the reason why I'm terrified of a Prostitute performance, those solos are just to good to be treated like that.

That song is actually my favorite GN'R tune. Ever. 

I used to listen to it all the time, even now it still comes up in my playlist often enough although lately I've been listening more to TWAT and Street of Dreams, definitely a great composition not to mention the beautiful solos by Buckethead, not often you get to hear a solo with such technique, melody and speed, real masterpieces right there. Always made me curious as to what else could Axl have been sitting on.

5 hours ago, Slash787 said:

I hate it when he doesn't says What I'd tell you at the end of the song, the song just feels incomplete. 

Another reason why I loved the Philly show of 2012 was because he sang those outro lyrics. And beautifully, something that wasn't always the case.

Hell I'll be damned but I loved that performance, most of that show actually. But I enjoyed many of the shows from 2000 to 2014 so that's not surprising however I think the best performance of Shackler's Revenge was the one in Philly 2012. Awesome from start to finish, really miss the "virtuoso" fell of Bumblefoot and Buckethead.

58 minutes ago, radioflyer said:

GNR was not exactly basking in success ,commercially or critically, during those years. 

It has been a fun experiment this year, but Axl filled in because AC/DC had committed to the tour already, so he stepped in and saved their ass. 

Obviously not nearly as popular as today or they heyday, I would argue that they had much more success than most people thought possible. as for AC/DC they're troopers they always have been, if one guy falls behind he gets replaced, as long as Angus is there people will pay to see him, plus Axl made it pretty clear that he's in until Angus decides he is not, and there doesn't seem to be any reason for Angus to fire Axl or look for another vocalist.

If Axl made it from 2001 to 2014 without Slash then Angus can make AC/DC work for a couple of more years, besides it's not like Axl will quit on him if he chooses to carry on.

7 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

I get the debate about Izzy but the complaining about Adler not being the full-time drummer is ridiculous. The guy's been on and off the wagon for 26 years and when last he was given an opportunity he blew it. Having a tour of this magnitude relying on him would be moronic. 

I think the reason for that is that fans go only by how they feel, not how things really are. Let's face it we don't really give a fuck how the band does, as long as they do what we want. Kinda like when they say that Axl is a good guy now, but was an asshole from 2000 to 2014 that's a load of bullshit, but what happens is that most people in here wanted a reunion and since they weren't getting it, they resorted to attack the guy they choose to blameF for it. Is the same formula to each issue on the history of this band Because our wallets aren't on the line here if they were most in here wouldn't even allow Steven near the building were a concert is being made, let alone special guest apparences.

Venezuela used to be great (until the economy came down and people went away) Brazil is also great, Argentina was so good we had a former GN'R guitarist writing a song named after them. Usually the less concerts they get, the better the crowds will be.

4 hours ago, JustanUrchin said:

Leverage?  Axl is currently a temp employee of ACDC as evidenced by his public interview statements.  Axl, meanwhile, has been named as defendant in a pleading filed this week based on the claim that he, in an individual capacity, issued a promissory note on which he failed to satisfy payment.  An individual does not issue a promissory note to an employee from a position of strength but rather from financial inability to pay until a future date.  Fortunately for Axl, Slash and Duff have agreed to the "reunion" (Axl and Duff have both publicly acknowledged that it is a reunion).  By doing that which he said he'd never do (not in this lifetime, anyhow), Axl is sharing in the profit of 117+ million dollars.  Without Slash and Duff, Axl will return to playing backyard weddings.  He would, though, be able to sell tickets to bowling alleys under the Gn'R brand because he owns the name.  At least we think that he retains ownership of the name--that may very well no longer be true as a result of the legal negotiation that precipitated the NITL tour.  Ownership of the brand may now very well be joint.  Regardless, Axl will have the same leverage he had with the brand name from '96-'15 without Slash and Duff--Vegas residencies and backyard barbecues.

The remainder of your post is devoid of (2016) factual support and contradicts all publicly-known facts relevant in 2016 regarding S/D/A decision-making authority.

Axl was playing bigger places than Slash or Duff, just because he didn't pay Pitman (as he should have) doesn't mean he was broke, also do you really think Pitman wasn't paid for any of his work since 2011? He would have sued years ago if that was the case he obviously waited because they were still paying him for all and any of his other services, if that wasn't the case why on earth would he remain in the band for so many years afterwards.

Slash lost half of his money when he divorced Perla probably more , the AC\DC deal was and is still up in the air as we don't even know if the band will carry on after this tour, but if they do there's no reason not to call Axl again and he himself seems very interested in carrying on ig Angus wants him to.

BTW you think Axl couldn't have survived without Slash/Duff he did it for more than 15 years boy, plus without Axl they aren't playing stadiums or in Duff case even theathers. BTW that's the same leverage that had Duff and Slash waiting for Axl calls for many years, the same leverage that had Slash coming drunk to Axl's house trying to get back in a band he had left 10 years ago.

48 minutes ago, Kickingthehabit said:

Why would he call them a shitty nostalgia act if he were still part of the band? Slash and Duff are in charge of the band's sound. Axl said that himself. They work with the drummer. They decide the rhythms and tempos. It wasn't working with Pitman, so they fired him. That's when he started bitching on twitter. He was told to remove the Coachella announcement because they knew he wasn't going to be included.

Just my opinion.

One or two reasons I suppose for starters it could be the fact that someone pissed him of when they told him to take out the banner that at the time only GN'R Duff and Slash were using, it could be that he didn't get a raise during this tour or that there were actual issues beyond money and the marketing strategy of the band. After all Richard, Frank, Dizzy and Melisa all came from the later periods of the band and all kept their job, hell one of them even got a promotion.

58 minutes ago, Kickingthehabit said:

Who cares if they got back together for money? These 2016 performances have been spectacular, and there's obviously some level of friendship or else Axl would have vetoed Steven Adler and probably kept Chris Pitman. I feel like Slash and Duff made those two things happen, which we should all be thankful for. You can tell Axl also expressed his sadness over S+D not supporting him as a songwriter (waah) which is why Duff goes out of his way to bring up Chinese Democracy all the time. It's a way to build back trust and say, "We support you and want to record new music together."

I think it'll work out.

He kept Pitman until literally Pitman decided to force himself out. If he hadn't rant all over the internet he Would still Be here.

I would have added of the top of my head:

2014 TwaT&Prostitute

2012 Philly Civil War and Street of Dreams, uhh and You're Crazy that was awesome too

2010 CITR acoustic

2006 Better and I.R.S Rock Am Ring

2002 The Blues, Live and Let Die

2001 Madagascar (RiR)

52 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I'm not assuming the partnership has anything to do with the tour. Axl left the band and took the name. I see no reason to assume that Axl does not still own the name an d we are still operating with the second legal entity.

To be honest - and I've said this before - it wouldn't shock me if Slash and Duff were on salary.

I honestly don't think they have a salary. That they're employees sure, why not but they're probably and most likely still being paid in some percentage arrangement. In the past it used to be3 6% for Axl 33%Slash and30% Duff those numbers probably changed once They got back together (probably giving more money to Axl) but they're all still making a fortune with this tour.

6 hours ago, GNRDK said:

But he is part of the original lineup and that should be enough. It all comes down to how you look at it and your perspective of it. To me it sounds like you (and Axl, Slash, Duff and the people behind them) look at Guns N' Roses purely as a corporate brand and if so; Yes Axl and Slash should earn the most, then Duff and then the other band members.

But should we look at Guns N Roses as a corporate brand? and not just as a band? Is that to much of a romantic feeling? Slash even talks about this in his book as I recall, like Guns N' Roses going away from the good old days as a band. The original lineup is considered to be those 5 guys, so in reality, in my world, and probably in Izzy's too, they should all be paid the same amount of money.

They are both just like any other recording artist in history, just because that doesn't fit your illusions of what a band is supposed to be doesn't mean they're not. And yes that is too much of a romantica Feeling because even in bands that have mostly stayed together they're still not paying everyone the same or do you honestly think that Steven Tyler gets paid the same as Joey Kramer, or Ozzy was going to get the same as that one drummer from Black Sabbath that couldn't agree to the tour during that reunion

39 minutes ago, Tiffani said:

I wonder if any in GN'R feel secretly threatened, (for lack of better words), considering the added leverage Axl has now that he is also with AC/DC. I guess that would also d,epend on the future of GN'R. I wonder if the band even has a gameplan for the next few years or if they're just winging it. Slash and Duff can always do their own thing successfully. For the rest, GN'R may be the biggest thing they will ever be involved in musically so I can see them in particular wanting to make sure Axl stays close to home. 

I would argue that this is the biggest thing Slash and Duff could ever be involved in, I mean no offense but all three of them were making way less money before this shows. But I think we're assuming to much, for once I doubt that even the old partnership is in place, I mean 36% AskEd by Axl 33% Slash and 30% Duff just doesn't seem right now. Even if it is I think is clear that Axl Is atthe helm of the boat, 3 to 4 CD songs a night, Frank, Richard and Mellisa being still involved even after the "Regrouping" and the fact that the first major interview didn't include them all but rather Axl and Duff, with Duff taking a back seat for most of it. it makes possible that the reason they are not more worried is that even now they aren't at the top of the mountain in relationship to GN'R, if they aren't the top dogs or equals they made so many believe, then there's no reason to worry, they're still making more money that they would be if this wasn't happening but if Axl is still the boss and the one taking the shots then there's less possibilities of them doing anything that pisses him of therefore giving no reason to Axl to want to leave what's pretty much still his band. Sort of like what happened with that one Pink Floyd member, during the wall world tour, they made him an employee but when the tour didn't profit them as much as they thought it would (they actually lost money) he still came out on top because he didn't have to pay for anything just go out, play and get paid.

It certainly does give him even more leverage than he already had, let's face it without him Slash and Duff don't even have the right to use the GN'R name so if they pissed Axl enough so that he decides not to tour then that's it for the biggest payday of their lives. Plus now he has multiple options, like restarting GN'R with a new lineup (which would be next to impossible but doesn't mean he won't try to do it anyway) or playing with AC/DC and putting Guns down for good effectively ending the paychecks for his bandmates while keeping a big enough one coming from his new band. He could even keep a reformed GN'R as a side project while obtaining most of his income from AC/DC.

It must be a pretty great position to be in right now.

14 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

'Marketing'!! This is the area of promoters Who cares about marketing? This is - was - a band, and should be about music. But accepting your argument, I tell you what is one of the best marketing slogans: ''Reunion Tour''; a ''Reunion of line up X''. The NITLT can never use that.

Tell if something would you cut your pay in half for a friend who's inclusion would be insecure at best? Don't misunderstand me I love Izzy and his music, but if one guy is bringing a million, and another one a thousand or ten, why should the other guy walkout with half a million when he only brings ten thousands? He can't even be promoted for guest apparences because he might not show up to those if he has the chance. even to his friends this seems to be an issue, considering he apparently was supposed to be in even more GN'R shows than he was during past tours.

48 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

The Axlites were very pro-Izzy when Izzy appeared with Nugnr in 2006 and 2012, saying things like, ''I always saw Izzy as more important than Slash; Axl and Izzy are childhood buddies and have that connection''. It was the Axl fans who liked to point out the multiple Stradline songwriting credits (to the detriment of Slash, then labelled a 'cancer').

Axl fans are sheep.

I still like both Axl & Izzy, I still think he was more important in the creation of the songs than Slash even if he is indeed more popular however that doesn't change the fact that from a marketing point of view it makes no sense to give him that much money when he doesn't bring nearly as much to the table. I'm not saying he's worthless just unnecessary from a marketing point of view, just like every tour post 1991 proved, so why exactly should he get more money than he already earns from the work that he actually did when he's obviousmy not worth it.

4 hours ago, RooSaa said:

Agree with you - out of likes, otherwise i would etc.e given you one.

I hope those numbers are not true. Why should Axl get 50% and the rest - especially Slash and somehow also Duff - get so much less? Is it because Axl is considering himself the boss? Is he the person who says who will get how much? Or because he owns the band name? I just dont quite understand that, because it is not that Axl is doing more than Slash or Duff, regarding the band, and being onstage, etc ... so there should be a more equaly share than that. Plus people cant deny the fact, that Slash is a huge point that GNR is doing so well again.

But regarding Izzy, what if he would get the amount of money he wanted? What would have happened with Fortus? If Izzy comes back fulltime and Slash is fulltime there too, what should Fortus do? Playing the second rythmn guitar? there isn't need for that. Fortus leaving the band? Something Axl probably would not let have happened.

Look at It like this Axl owns the name was the biggest selling point, made more money before the show, so for all intentions and porpoises he is the big dog in here,, now we have Slash, on his own not really worth that much, still when put together with Axl the amount of money ifEach of them makes multiplies significantly enough so that he's the second biggest pay in the bill, then we have Duff whom also shares some name recognition and cash but wouldn't made nearly as much money as a musician on his own, so he gets the third spot, then we have everyone else including Dizzy Fortus, Mellisa, Frank, Adler etc. Izzy on the other hand while much more valuable than the other five from a marketing point of view is even less recognized than Duff, plus he's asking for more cash than what he brings to the table, so it makes no sense to pay him that cash if he's not willing to settle or compromise.