T.wa.T

What makes them so ridiculous, besides the obvious, is that they don't seem to care who it is they slaughter. Christians, Jews, men, women, children. And of course other Muslims...

They're modern day savages, with no specific reason. Just randomly slaughtering innocent people. I hope the King of Jordan unleashes on them.

i think its only a matter of time before the fight against them escalates even further.

I think so too. I've read that several Arab countries are pissed about what they did this time.

What makes them so ridiculous, besides the obvious, is that they don't seem to care who it is they slaughter. Christians, Jews, men, women, children. And of course other Muslims...

They're modern day savages, hiding behind the guise of Islam, with no specific reason. Just randomly slaughtering innocent people. I hope the King of Jordan unleashes on them.

I just saw a headline saying Arum said the TV deal is done.....

Now there is a holdup in the Pac & Floyd talks. When shit like that becomes public, its not good and the blame game shall commence. I hope they get it done.

Quite happy with how CD turned out. Wish some people would stop moaning. Be positive and look forward to what's coming next.

I like CD it's a great record, riad and scraped are rubbish and there just so it's not a 12 track album, if it hadn't leaked a million times online it's have sold a lot more, not to mention shocking promotions from guns and the record company

riad & scraped grew on me. Beyonce didn't get much criticism for the way she released her album.

Maybe because Beyoncé is for 14 year old girls, what about the way U2 released theirs ?

Beyonce is for all women basically and men that admit they listen to her, i realize its not 1991 anymore and GNR are not the most popular thing around but the way she released that album was a smart move due to the torrents etc. U2 have almost ruined there legacy due to that Apple deal, that's not the way to go doing something like that will lose you your casual fans and lots of hardcore fans. Look at the way Metallica was ridiculed due to that whole Napster ordeal, Lars made himself look like a total asshole.

True, I agree with Metallica and U2 deals. GNR didn't do themselves any big favours with the best buy idea, what a shit idea that was

Why was it a shit deal for GnR? GnR and the label got paid and then some. Best Buy are the ones who got rooked.

Exactly, about Toney. He was as good as they came and I don't think he maxed his potential out. There was a bit of a I'm so good I don't have to push myself as hard as those guys, thing about him.

Funny you mention Sweet Pea, I was watching him and Chavez the other day. Early on JCC kept walking him down and Pea would pot shot him and exchange with him. Then he would circle out to his right to avoid JCC right, great stuff. Over here, he is still mentioned as one of the great defensive boxers, probably top 5 yeah?

Pryor was feared by the whole division, even Leonard. Biggest difference between him and Floyd is Pryor was the one they were ducking. Pryors bouts with Arguello are legendary. I think it was the 2nd one where the Hawk damn near killed Alexis, much like Hearns v Duran. I do think there is something to that whole " Gimme the other bottle", thing but we'll never know for sure. Either way he was a feared man.

If you are speaking about Duran, Benitez, Sugar Ray, Tommy Hitman Hearns and Hagler, you are speaking my sort of language. This was the greatest period for the welter/middle weights. Any of these guys could whip Floyd Jr and the Chinese fella with their arms tied around their back.

The 90' into 2000's werent a bad time for welters or Middle weights either. Hopkins, Jones (Middleweights).

And lets not forget James "Lights Out" Toney, once he figured the sweet science out and came into his own, he was beautiful to watch. He's very underrated and often gets left out of the conversation.

Love watching those old videos of Ray Robinson. He used to sometimes train in the town I grew up in. Good ol Greenwood Lake, NY. The same town also gave the boxing world Mike Tyson victim Lou Savarese, whom I used to see hitting his heavy bag at 7:30 in the morning while on my walk to the bus stop going to school, lol. Poor guy. He's got a nice house now though. And he's a nice guy, I played some pick up Basketball with him a few times.

Funny, GWL was a hotbed back in the day where alot of sport celebrities hung out. Guys like Babe Ruth, Micky Mantle would go there on vacation. Joe Louis trained there, SRR, also Derek Jeter owns a house there on the lake. Its just a small little hick town 45 minutes outside of NYC. Convinience I suppose.

Hearns is my 2nd favorite of this weight, being as I'm a Michigan man, the Hitman is kind of a big deal around here.

I just don't understand how normal welterweights got near that fuckin' octopus. Y'know he is responsible for one of the more frightening knockouts I've seen in my life, his one against Duran, i thought his head would spin like a top, it was actually grostesque almost, like you were his neck must've snapped, I remember seeing it in front of my Mum once when i was little, totally by accident, I'm watching a tape and she walks in hoovering, thought she was gonna cry or something, poor Duran, he fell so horribly as well, right on his face, like he was dead or something.

Yeah, I know that punch. Duran was on the ropes already into tommorow and Hearns kept letting his hands go, bigtime head snap.

Hearns had such a great advantage over his peers in the division because of his height and reach. The fucker just liked to have a good ol' fashioned brawl here and there...love it.

I'd finally given up, me, the eternal optimist regarding such things and whaddya know, it might actually be on.

Man, As long as the fight lives up to the hype, it will be one of the greatest fights of our lifetime. Although its five years to late, I believe Manny will pressure Floyd like he's never been pressured.

This one has classic written all over it. They only come around every decade or so if we're lucky.

I also believe Floyd said lets do it after standing face to face with Pac because he had a chance to size him up. That could be a mistake as we have seen Manny take apart many boxers bigger than himself. I hope Floyd is thinking, this guy is a shrimp, I got this, only to walk into a hornets nest.

Then there's the guys like Bruno and Donovan Ruddick who gave Tyson fits in the ring. Those guys earned their right to talk shit. I think the 2 Razor Ruddick fights are Tysons best, in terms of a good legit fight that tested Mike. Both were hitting hard to and Ruddick might have been jobbed in one of them.

I agree that the Tyson vs Ruddock fights are the best "fights" Tyson ever had, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Mike took something from Ruddock in those fights, and you could argue that Ruddock did the same (but I think 3 years in prison did more). But THAT Ruddock would have beaten MANY fighters, especially at that time. That Ruddock could have beaten Holyfield, old Foreman, Lewis, and Morrison (the last two he lost to of course). But he left it all in the ring against Tyson, who was mad over the Douglas loss. I don't think Ruddock would have won the first fight, yes the ref stopped it a little early, but Tyson was nailing him. Yes Ruddock landed some big shots earlier in the fight, but this wasn't Tokyo, this wasn't Mike taking it easy, this was REAL Mike. Real Mike would have gotten Ruddock out of there later that round or the next one for sure, so I think its a little skeptical to say "Ruddock could have won that fight" when he lost by TKO. Then in the rematch Tyson won most of thr rounds, and both fighters were a little more respectful of each others power. Still Tyson was the clear cut winner. But Ruddock was the last guy to take Tyson 12, and I've always had a ton of respect for Ruddock because of those fights. Like I said, THAT Ruddock knocks out Lennox Lewis IMO, he hit harder and had a better chin. But he never quite recovered from fighting Mike.

But Bruno on the other hand.... First fight fought Mike scared, held him for what 5 maybe 6 rounds, then got KO'ed. 2nd fight, was over before it even began. I "like" Bruno, but I'd hardly use his fights with Mike as a point of refrence...

I agree, Ruddick was taking punches as good as he was giving them during both of those fights, I definatly think he would've given any other to heavyweight a beating to, had they been in there instead of Mike. Great fights though...

Bruno did tie up a good portion, I think the strategy became rough Tyson up with elbows, holding, rabbit punches etc... Frustrate him, than hope to catch him with a money shot. Boxing is a huge mental game, Tysons mentality was his Achilles. If only Cus had more time???

I'm with the lot that say Evander was juicing. Dude was ripped at 185+, put on another 20lbs or so and became like a WWF wrestler. Him an Bonds got the same head shape, that's my proof, lol.

I read a Floyd ~Pac announcement should be made in a few days.

I like alot of fighters from Europe. Calzaghe is probably my favorite, go ahead laugh. But I like guys like Benn,GGG, Hatton, Froch, Abraham, Sturm, Costa Tszu, can't spell it either etc... Them guys gotta alot of pride, I don't think it goes unnoticed, at least for me. Lewis can be a twat but what the fuck, if I was HW Champion, I might be to once in a while, lol.

Then there's the guys like Bruno and Donovan Ruddick who gave Tyson fits in the ring. Those guys earned their right to talk shit. I think the 2 Razor Ruddick fights are Tysons best, in terms of a good legit fight that tested Mike. Both were hitting hard to and Ruddick might have been jobbed in one of them.

On Naz. Oh he's definatly an excellent fighter, he actually was one of the few fighters that made me look at fighting a different way, because of the angles he used. The guy was very unassuming and unpredictable. And extremely hard to hit flush. I recall hoping he would lose because he was very good.

I just didn't care for the ten minute ring walks and in those days it was one guy tryin to out do the other so it was fuckin annoying. He wasn't the only one though...

I do recall him being humble in pre fight interviews. So I guess it was mainly the ring walk.

Naz is at the top of the list of alltime jackoffs in boxing. Him and Broner. There's a difference in being brash and confident like an Ali. Than there's being douchy, like Naz n Broner.

Looks good, Only change I'd make is, I'd put Axl in the middle.

I liked Naz as a fighter but I just can't stand all the arrogance. I definatly dislike his attitude more then Floyds, but not Broner. Broner hasn't done a lick an talks like he's a legend, sad.

The fight with Naz n Barerra was definatly closer then alot of people talk. Some make it seem like Barrera wiped him out. I think AB won, but not in over whelming fashion.

Jermain Taylor, man I can't believe what happened to his life. He was one of my favorites even after his losses to Pavlik. Dude could of been legit for a decade. Just goes to show how corrupt boxing is for letting him fight after his brain bleed. Never should of been allowed back in the ring. I'm glad he's getting the mental help he is gonna need. I don't think he's a bad guy, just a victim of repeated blows to the head and a corrupt system.

I'm lovin the Floyd/Manny pic. I hope they cut the middle men out and make it happen. That would leave Cotto with what Amir Khan?? That isn't so bad.

Cotto v Khan

Canelo v Kirkland

Pac v Mayweather

Not a bad year, plus all the goods coming up on PBC, Klitchko chasing history. Could be an epic year.

As an American, I'd say most American's wouldn't know who either Klitchko is by name, unless they are boxing fans. But I do think most would think they are "somebody." I doubt they could walk around a major city without drawing "some" attention, not Jordan or Lebron attention, but attention none the less. But the reasons why they are not on first name and recognition levels are as followed; they fight mostly in Germany, their are two of them, and the stated decline of the sport. Which the last one is the smallest of the reasons IMO. Where they fight is the 2nd biggest knock against them, but the biggest is that their are two of them. Would Tyson had been as popular if he had a brother Mark Tyson that was also a good fighter, or if Cassius had a brother Craig Clay who was also great? Being that their were two of them was such a negative thing, I can't stress that enough. If their had only been one, he would literally been the real life Ivan Drago, and would of been respected as such. That is one of the reasons why I feel VERY strongly the brothers should have been forced to fight, to really help destingish one from the other. Not to mention its the only time where the two best fighters have never fought each other. It is a sport where only ONE can be king, yet they tried to make 2 be king. That is why the division is in the state that it is.

I know some Klitchko fan is going to jump in and say "you can't make brothers fight, blah blah blah." To that I say horseshit for one, and for two its just my opinion, so WTF ever....

Funny you mention that as he sort of, almost, did. 14-3-1 is not too bad and that is Rahman's record. He mostly fought tomato cans though. He did fight Jack O Halloran from Superman II. Rahman is the serious one who is always behind Ali in interviews. Good looking guy - like Ali except with a mustache. He adopted the Muslim stuff before Ali and was even more extreme with it.

The average Joe Blow in the US wouldn't know who Wlad is. Americans, tend to, at least the media does look for that wholesome Good ol' Boy from middle America, who comes outta know where to achieve greatness. Look at some of these names:

Babe Ruth, Micky Mantle, Joe Dimaggio, Ted Williams, Willie Mays

Johnny Unitas (unite us) Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Bart Starr

Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Cassius Clay (Ali), Ray Robinson/Leonard, George Foreman, Joe Frasier

Bill Russell, Shaqille Oneil, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Lebron James

Tiger Woods, Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer,

John Macknroe (sp?), Jimmy Connors

Some coaches:

Phil Jackson, Red Aurbach, Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, Bill Parcells, Paul "Bear" Bryant, Jimmy Johnson that guy from UCLA who I can't believe I can't remember his name!!! John Wooden??

Fuck hockey, nobody cares about hockey, lol. Just a few names there , but the common theme is they are "wholesome", "household" names in America.

I think you guys over there have a more international feeling because of the relative proximity of each country.

We love names in America. I mean how much more American can you get then Joe Montana!?!? Lol....

Phelps deserves to be on that list. I would also include Sampras. Pete, ehh, cleaned out the division. The Williams sisters also.

Definatly...there's a few dozen more we could throw up there.

The average Joe Blow in the US wouldn't know who Wlad is. Americans, tend to, at least the media does look for that wholesome Good ol' Boy from middle America, who comes outta know where to achieve greatness. Look at some of these names:

Babe Ruth, Micky Mantle, Joe Dimaggio, Ted Williams, Willie Mays

Johnny Unitas (unite us) Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Bart Starr

Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Cassius Clay (Ali), Ray Robinson/Leonard, George Foreman, Joe Frasier

Bill Russell, Shaqille Oneil, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Lebron James

Tiger Woods, Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer,

John Macknroe (sp?), Jimmy Connors

Some coaches:

Phil Jackson, Red Aurbach, Dean Smith, Bobby Knight, Bill Parcells, Paul "Bear" Bryant, Jimmy Johnson that guy from UCLA who I can't believe I can't remember his name!!! John Wooden??

Fuck hockey, nobody cares about hockey, lol. Just a few names there , but the common theme is they are "wholesome", "household" names in America.

I think you guys over there have a more international feeling because of the relative proximity of each country.

We love names in America. I mean how much more American can you get then Joe Montana!?!? Lol....

Cannot remember about Terrell! I know Frazier and Dundee died at a similar time.

Patrick Collins in today's Mail on Sunday - he is a grumpy old bastard like me - was on about sledging bringing the game of cricket into disrepute and he said this,

As for professional boxing, it long ago abandoned any ambition to be treated as serious sport. The fighters themselves remain wonderful athletes and admirable people, but the sad old game is now a branch of show business with its ring-walks and its trash talk, its scripted threats and its phony feuds.

The sport which once gave us Ali and Frazier now offers Stiverne and Deontay Wilder, not to mention Tyson Fury and Chisora. The well is dry, the end is a matter of time.

He seems to predict the end of boxing, like you Len, predict the end of rock music?

I dont predict the end of rock music, im telling you its done as a genre. As far as boxing, i dont remand legends, i just demand passion, i dont expect Ali's every generation, in fact i dont expect Ali's once a millenium.

To your other point about boxing in the States during the 90's, there was a good handful of heavyweights to (not that you didn't know), Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Foreman being the main draws than we had the second tier guys like Tua, Morrison, Moore, Byrd, Ibeabuchi, Rahman etc... Alot of big punchers, with Lewis, Bowe and Holyfield being more boxer before puncher. There was alot of David vs Goliath with David not winning often enough. Exception, Rahman vs Lewis..

Plus we never got to see a Tyson vs Tua or Bowe vs Lewis. So many awesome fights that should have been. Put any 2 of those guys in the ring together and you get a whopper of a fight. Some we saw, Byrd vs Ibeabuch an that was a blast. All the hype surrounding Byrd, only to be snuffed by Ike, courtesy by way of KO. An that's just a few names off the top of my head there's, probably 10 more we could put up there to make a fight.

I still believe that the Heavyweight division suffered because of a lack of creating a Super Heavyweight division. Guys like Moore, Rahman, Tua and even Tyson only had a punchers chance against those other beasts. Holyfield being the exception. The 90's were a spectacular time for all the divisions. Shit, the Heavyweight division in the 90's, rivals any in the history of the sport, it might even the best....

Honestly, Klitchko's reign is only a natural progression for the sport, there have been a few long reigns in its history, and each time following the sport evolved. The sport is just taking its time to catch up.

I can't wait for the PBC to air. I hope they bring back some legends each fight night for pre and post fight analysis. Hell, even current fighters...

Yeah, didn't see who the announcers will be for the Spike TV cards, but the Al Michaels/Sugar Ray Leonard sounds really good for NBC.

Nothing new, except Arum reiterating that it's up to Mayweather:

https://twitter.com/danrafaelespn/status/558753302653849600

https://twitter.com/danrafaelespn/status/558753509491744769

https://twitter.com/danrafaelespn/status/558754297471459328

I just read Canelo is fighting Kirkland. Two bangers going at it, I see Canelo winning but I think Kirkland will make it a good competitive fight..

Cotto vs Mayweather????

Makes financial sense for Cotto & It gives Freddie Roach a good look at Floyd for his 50th fight against Manny.

I also read Amir Khan is a potential fight for Pacqiua...

I can't wait for the PBC to air. I hope they bring back some legends each fight night for pre and post fight analysis. Hell, even current fighters...

How will Slash find his future girlfreinds???

The date itself isn't a big deal to Americans. But it is a huge holiday for Mexico an the Mexican~ Americans.

Cotto being from Puerto Rico and Canelo Mexico makes it an Us vs Them, culture vs culture event. Canelo likes to fight in the southwest of the US because of the huge Mexican following he has down there, whereas Cotto likes the NYC area because of the huge Puerto Rican following. It's about heritage with them...that's cool though.

Edit: I forgot to hit the quote button. Len this was in reply to your asking about Cinco de Mayo

Someone mentioned maybe Floyd will agree on Super Bowl Sunday (Feb 1st). That's a great idea if he does that. I believe I read TMT has until the end of the month (Jan), so we'll see. Floyd backed himself into a corner this time.

Definatly a damn shame if he fights Cotto or Canelo again. Those four, could have put on one of the alltime fight weekends if they could put the bs aside.

Side note: Politics aside, they should have a weekend every year where all the champions from each weight class fights their mandatory or #1 contender. From feather weight up to heavyweight....kaching$$$

Fuck Floyd...I'm pissed that Cotto isn't fighting Alvarez, would have been a good one, imo.

If I was McCarthy, Id have lined Jordy Nelson across from Sherman an told him to run a Go Route every down after Sherman got hurt. I can't believe they didn't test him once...Sherman could barely lift his arm. I think he hyper extended his elbow, going by the replay.

Manny is doing a new interview tonite. I think its on CBS. 60 Minutes or something.

Also, I watched the Conor McGregor UFC fight last night. Not only is he badass, but if the new PBC is going to be successful, they should model their pre an post fight show after what UFC did. They had current fighters breaking the fight down, talked about rankings, future fights etc... It was well done.