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Whatever happened to the Don, is he still promoting?

He still promotes. And has a couple irrelevant Champion fighters. He is mainly out of the game, thanks to a Hopkins win last summer, prior to the Kovalov fight.

I see no reason why this won't succeed, other than ratings. Imo, there are more then enough good fighters in every class sans heavyweight. Its now up to these promoters to make it happen, which, I suppose would be another reason it could fail, lol.

By the way, I'm lovin Al Michels & Sugar Ray doing the blow by blow call. If they do it right this could be really cool.

Wilder Stiverne predictions lads? Whispers are Wilders could be getting exposed.

Should be a good test, but I don't know, finding it tough to pick against Wilder. Wouldn't be surprised if Stiverne won though. You?

Looks like Pacquiao-Mayweather is getting closer each day. Hopefully, we do get an official announcement by the end of this month. Would expect Mayweather to win a defensive-minded decision, but obviously still really want it to happen and looking forward to it.

Al Haymon has announced the first two cards of his new NBC boxing series. First card on March 7 will feature Thurman-Guerrero and Broner-John Molina. Then, Danny Garcia-Peterson on April 11. Al Michaels will call the prime time NBC fights. Sugar Ray Leonard also on commentary as an analyst. 20 total cards this year, 11 on NBC (rest on NBC Sports Network), and 5 of those in prime time. Sounds like a pretty solid start for this NBC deal.

I just saw it again on CBS Sports. Bob Arum has said the fight between Pac n Floyd will happen on May 2nd.

Floyd has not agree yet here if a link

http://m.espn.go.com/extra/boxing/story?storyId=12164550

Yes Len, I agree with you. Pac is going to have to use angles Floyd isn't accustomed to.

So Floyd is 7~0 vs lefties. Judah, Guerrero, Chop Chop Corley, Sharmba Mitchell, Ortiz are a few of them.

Does Pac still have the speed as a lefty, to expose Floyd, who's style is primarily used against orthodox fighters?? Man I wish this fight happened 5 years ago.

I'm starting to think Pac being a lefty will come into play here. Floyd loves to lean back on his right side, that may be good to avoid right hands but how about a left hook or a straight left??

Who was the last good lefty Floyd fought??

I just saw the fight will be on May 2nd.... What happens to Cotto v Alvarez?? I gues it'll get moved to June.

Why not respect their religious taboo? What's the harm? Not defending these monsters at all, but it's awfully arrogant of the West to make so light of something that so many take very seriously. It's like serving a Jew pork or shellfish just to be a dick. There are plenty of ways to criticize ISIS and its ilk.

I'm sure this isn't going to be a popular post, but I thought people should try to see at least a little nuance in the issue. Now who's going to be the first person to say I'm excusing the murders?

West makes fun of Christianity and Judaism all the time. There was a time when releasing the Life of Brian was a huge deal. Now it's only a tiny minority of mostly harmless nutjobs who protest films that mock Christianity. Let's hope we reach the same stage with Islam in the future.

Yeah but those things aren't taboo. But if i was to make a cartoon of say, i dunno, a load of apes burning and looting a city and equate it to some of the social strife in America at the moment how well would that go down, do you think? Yeah you can say no one'd get killed but the principle is the same. Or perhaps a fagin caricature looming over the Hollywood sign with pound signs in his eyes and handfuls of cash, how well would that go down d'ya reckon?

And OK, to be clear here, the country that bans the burqa is het up about freedom of expression? Really? So thats not important, we can do away with people wanting to practise their religion and covering their faces but cartoons to take the piss out of peoples faith that could very possibly result in the deaths of others, thats a more important principle to pursue? Don't make me laugh.

What about journalistic responsibility? I mean umpteen things aren't published or broadcasted because of the response they might get or how it might offend. Obviously the principle issue is the mad fuckers that go around doing people over but they're mad, whats your fuckin' excuse? I'll tell ya what, fame, money, selling your magazine, these people give as much of a shit about peoples lives as the terrorists do, i mean some of those cartoons are more or less saying 'go on then!'.

And as far as the thing of 'well we take the piss out of Scientology and rightly so cuz they're batshit' well, there you go, the language of confrontation again, knowing that this kinda shit leads to peoples lives getting ended. It's just wilfully poking people in a way that you know will make them move just so's that when they do you can point your finger and go 'see?'.

And as far as this bullshit about muslims being the only ones who kill in the name of religion you might wanna look at some of the language employed by the US when wading into Afghanistan and Iraq. Which party deaded more people d'ya think?

All this theorising and bullshit, this intellectual to-ing and fro-ing, it's all very cute but don't believe for one minute that humanity and the rights of humans are what this shit is about, it's about arrogance, it's about I'm right and you're wrong, these people don't care a turd for anyones life, thats both parties cuz if the cartoonists did they wouldn't put that shit out there, knowing that people have died behind it and the terrorists for being mental fuckin' shitbags that go around killing people in the first place.

It's all real funny and real cute but this is the real world, it ain't no fuckin' schoolyard where you're telling jokes to wind people up and watch them go, it's real life and real dead bodies and you might be writing or drawing away from the comfort of your own home and sending shit off for publication and sitting back real proud at the results you get but thats not how real life works, in real life you do shit like that and the shit can come back on ya, it's just basic intelligence, i got freedom of speech but i ain't gonna walk up to Purple Aki on McLeods train route going 'oi mate, why do black people wear baggy trousers? Because their knee grows!' because it ain't gonna fuckin' end well

Great post Len... I surely don't advocate violence. Especially over freedom of speech, but the sad fact is, there is no freedom of consequence.

This act and many others like it are of the worst kind, but the press needs to be more responsible, instead of being slaves to the dollar. There used to be a time when the news was fair and was reported to let the people decide for themselves, now all of the media devides and has an agenda that is pitting man against man. Not fucking cool.

What you guys think about Evander. Obviously a badass in the ring,, full of heart etc... But the guy must have had PED factory in his basement. Maybe it was because he was a blown up cruiser but man was he blown up.

Great Heavyweight & A Great Champ

Wow...so sad....

One of the biggesr joys of clicking on a tragic mygnr thread is when Cheapjon has posted in it

I think your responce is even more ballsey for acknowledging his. So I'm gonna like your comment because of the Big Balls factor.

No doubt the count was slow. It was a big controversy, especially since Mike lost.

Douglas was a 42~1 dog for a reason. He just picked the right night to put it together and put Tyson out. I thought Douglas retired after the loss to Evander. He wasn't a major player anyways, guy got lucky pain n simple..

I'm still amazed though at the amount of punches it too to put Iron Mike down, what was it?? 19 unanswered shots to the head/face. The end started before that nasty uppercut he ate, he took a few before that and them some more after. Crazy.. Same with the Lewis fight, the accumulation of punches he took before he was KO'd was impressive. Damn, even when Evander put him out in the 11th. That was a pretty sick fight, the hype for that was off the charts to. Really wish he would have beaten Holyfield one time, Lewis? Ok, he's a big dude but Evander was right in Mikes wheel house, he just didn't catch him. Good time for the heavy weight division too...

Tyson would have lost to Ali. Ali would have picked him off with his jab and footwork in his heyday. In the early-mid 70s it would have been a more even contest but I feel, Ali would have found a way as he usually did; Tyson would not be prepared for Ali's chin. Prime time Foreman would have beaten Tyson also.

PS

What would you say was Tyson's style? He always seemed like an in-fighter to me, the way he gets close and takes opponents out with a series of uppercuts and bodyblows, but I have heard experts and such say that he was technically, a puncher. Perhaps a combo.

I'd say he was a boxer/puncher in his prime, than a straight puncher in the later years of his career.

Tyson loved to slip the lead jab, rip his opponent to the body & follow that up with a hook or uppercut. Left jab, right hook to the body, right uppercut. Speed and power.

Besides punishment, a body blow also makes the other dude drop his arm a bit leaving an opening at the head.

There are videos showing Mike perfecting this with Teddy Atlas.

Teddy/Cus developed a number system to simplify Mikes

attacks. Tyson became a master of the Peek a Boo style because he was so damn strong and fast. While he was on guard (hands up), he was also on the attack, looking for an opening. Which is the beauty of the Peek a Boo, being on the attack while in a defesive posture.

Floyd Patterson was great at that style as well, just not as fast and strong as Tyson.Hell, Floyd Patterson used to leave his feet when throwing his left hook, bad intentions all over it. That's what D'amato taught those two. Throw every punch with bad intentions. Its pretty cool that Cus trained the two youngest heavyweight champions.

Oh, he was an one punch guy in his decline haha, just walking around waiting for that one punch. In his heyday though he used to like to close in quick, establishing a distance near to an in-fighter's

Lol, yeah that's the shame of it all.

One thing about watching Tyson get knocked out, especially against Lewis & Douglas, it was like watching King Kong fall off the Empire State Building. It took a hell of a beating, followed by a long slow fall, that shit hurt to watch as a fan of his, lol.

Tyson would have lost to Ali. Ali would have picked him off with his jab and footwork in his heyday. In the early-mid 70s it would have been a more even contest but I feel, Ali would have found a way as he usually did; Tyson would not be prepared for Ali's chin. Prime time Foreman would have beaten Tyson also.

PS

What would you say was Tyson's style? He always seemed like an in-fighter to me, the way he gets close and takes opponents out with a series of uppercuts and bodyblows, but I have heard experts and such say that he was technically, a puncher. Perhaps a combo.

Tyson loved to slip the lead jab, rip his opponent to the body & follow that up with a hook or uppercut. Left jab, right hook to the body, right uppercut. Speed and power.

Besides punishment, a body blow also makes the other dude drop his arm a bit leaving an opening at the head.

There are videos showing Mike perfecting this with Teddy Atlas.

Teddy/Cus developed a number system to simplify Mikes

attacks. Tyson became a master of the Peek a Boo style because he was so damn strong and fast. While he was on guard (hands up), he was also on the attack, looking for an opening. Which is the beauty of the Peek a Boo, being on the attack while in a defesive posture.

Floyd Patterson was great at that style as well, just not as fast and strong as Tyson.Hell, Floyd Patterson used to leave his feet when throwing his left hook, bad intentions all over it. That's what D'amato taught those two. Throw every punch with bad intentions. Its pretty cool that Cus trained the two youngest heavyweight champions.

Axl LOVED Slash. When you love someone so much and they disappoint you, the hate for them is equally big. Axl didn't love Izzy, Duff or Steven that way, his anger was temporary because they didn't disappoint him the way Slash did.

If Axl thinks Slash stole 15 years of his life that means he had all his eggs in Slash basket. Slash was HIS guitarist and Axl couldn't stand seeing him flirting with other artists and not wanting to stay and keep GNR alive. Apparently, Axl is that kind of person who is very jealous of friends and relationships he has and don't want to share them with anyone else. It is certainly a flaw but that's the way he is.

There may be many other things between them we don't know. Slash may play fool but he won't tell us either.

Axl never "loved" Slash. Axl said so himself. Something along lines of 'Slash should have left after AFD or never been in Guns in the 1st place'.

Axl's default mode is butthurt, though. I think there was a friendship when the band first started, but tinyrobot's idea that they were close by the time Izzy left is contrary to everything I've ever heard/read. I suspect it owes more to the fact that Slash was the one member he simply couldn't afford to lose without having to start everything from scratch. And the fact that he dared to be somewhat successful afterwards.

I usually wind up at a conclusion similiar to yours. But then there was that line Axl gave about Slash being on the ego ramp and out front/center stage. Honestly,I liked when Slash did that. Him an Axl shared alot of cool photos together out on the ego ramp.

It wont be anywhere near as good as the hype, Floyd will pick him apart, in my heart i imagine Leonard - Duran I but my common sense keeps reminding me we're talking about men in their mid to late 30s that, no matter what anyones rose tinted shades tell them, havent fought anywhere near as good as their peak for the last couple of years.

The Algieri fight showed just how easy it is to avoid Pacman, had Algieri been a little more solid on his feet and stuck out a jab he might've made a go of it, can you imagine if thats Floyd? He'll just pot shot him all night, Pacman will have to come on with sustained pressure and just volume punch the motherfucker, Duran him, you know how hard that shit is to keep up? At their age?

Unless Manny & Freddy Roach have some master secret, I'm afraid youre right. That's why I'm hoping Manny has a throw back kinda night and takes 2 to land 1. I believe he's become less of a brawler to preserve and extend his career. Maybe, & that's a BIG MAYBE he turns back the clock and puts Floyd in trouble.

It's definatly gonna take a master performance and a huge volume of punches just to wear Floyd down a bit.

Perhaps it's not as far fetched as it sounds and look, wasn't that Money getting tagged in the corner by Maidana? And Pacman has the fuckin' moves y'know. His skill set really isn't that far off Mayweathers, it's just he's a lot more of an attacking fighter and, his biggest failing, when he gets the bit between his teeth he's starts leaping in like Torvill and Dean. Other than that, his side to side, the way he slips punches coming forward, there's a video of Tyson on youtube raving about how Manny did that shit against Rios, Tysons dick gets hard watching that shit cuz thats what he used to do, albeit from a more crouched position but the intent is identical, to slip coming forward and rain down on em.

Good point there, I also wonder how much Mannys south pawstyle will help? He sometimes keeps his shoulders too squared when he's brawling but when he's fighting as a true lefty maybe he can make Floyd feint to his right by using his jab (right hand) setting up an angle with his left (power hand). Nice dream eh??? So simple it'll work for sure.....

Of course Manny feinted himself into a nap against JMM, lol. So who the fuck am I lmao.....

Or a shot to Floyds liver with the right hand (hook). That would be something.

The way Floyd naturally hides behind his right hand when he leans that way, maybe his left elbow comes up a bit leaving an opening..

Tyson fought the number one contenders of his generation.......just like Klitschkos are doing. Wlad just keeps beating up the number one contenders and mandatory opponents. And he has been doing it for a decade, and after another fight or two, he'll have done it better - record/time wise than any heavyweight in history. He has to receive credit for that.

The downgrading of them because they refused to fight each other might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read in a boxing forum.

But this just plain isn't true though, because the number one contender has always been the other brother. Why is this so "rediculous"? I don't understand your posisition here, because they are brothers? Well boo fucking who, man up and lets see who the real champ is. This might be the only time that its actually family members fighting, but its not the first time fighters had to fight someone that they were friends with or really admired. Marciano had to fight Louis on his way to a championship, and he fucking adored Louis. He always felt bad after for beating him, but it was ssomething he had to do. Holmes was friends with Ali, and yet he had to fight him. It's the name of the game man, their is only supposed to be one top dog, not two. Thats why I think its some BS that they never were forced to fight each other. As far as I'm concerned, Wlad ducked his biggest competition for his entire championship run. Yet his run is as legitimit as the great Joe Louis? I think not. I don't know how his fans don't see that...

Fighting - and trying to knock out - your brother is MUCH different than boxing a friend or somebody you respect. Not even in the same category. And no, his brother hasn't "always" been the number one contender or mandatory opponent.

Mayweather refuses to fight Manny. Does that mean Floyd isn't a man and shouldn't be recognized as one of the best ever?

All Wlad has done of the last decade and 20 fights is easily defeat the top contenders. Should he punished because you don't think the heavyweight division is as strong as it was in the past? What more can the guy do - start killing people in the ring?

I understand your love for Tyson. Steve Garvey was my favorite baseball player growing up and I know that I overrated his career because of it. But you seem to pick-and-choose and use different standards when judging boxers - depending on where you want to rank them.

So Ring mag rates Tyson lower, and boxing writers/historians rank him lower because they don't like him as a man? You are making excuses as to why most "experts" don't agree with you. I spent 15 minutes looking on the Web and found that most boxing experts don't even list Tyson in their top 10. So to argue that he might be the GOAT is an argument/debate that can't really be made.

Tyson brutally knocked out people as he rose up the ranks - that's the sign of a potential champion.

I think he was the youngest heavyweight champion of all time.

He had some of the most devastating knock outs of his era.

He appeared to have the potential to be one of the GOAT for heavyweights.

But look who he beat, look at his "big" fights:

He beat Trevor Berbick, who had 11 career losses.

He beat Bonecrusher Smith - who had 17 career losses

And Tony Tucker, who only had 7 career losses

Beating Spinks was a huge quality win.

Beating a 39 year old Larry Holmes, who came out of retirement? Not really a quality win.

Beat Frank Bruno......a solid win. Lennox also easily disposed of Bruno.

Beat Razor Ruddick twice. Solid.

Beat Bruce Seldon?

Lost to Holyfield twice.

Lost to Lennox Lewis.

So really, in his four biggest fights, Iron Mike was 1 win and 3 losses.

And his quality wins, after Spinks, are guys like Frank Bruno and Bonecrusher Smith and his 17 losses?

Let's be honest here boys. The reasons boxing historians don't rate Mike in their top 10 isn't because they don't like his out of the ring behavior. It's because his actual career never reached the heights that his potential suggested it could have.

If he would have beaten Holyfield and Lennox - then you could put him up there on that top 10 list. But he didn't. Beating Trevor Berbick and Frank Bruno doesn't make you an all time great.

Exactly what I was saying a few pages back.

Tyson is in the higher half of the top 100 of some expert lists. I mean in the 75~100 range.

The dude was nasty, no doubt but fact is when got in the ring with bigger fighters, he couldn't handle them.

They need to create a Super Heavyweight Division and gives us fans the real heavy weight division back. 205 ~ 235. Something like that, idk.

How come all the other divisions are separated by a few pounds but a 220lb heavy can step into the ring against another heavy at 260?? It doesnt make any sense.

It wont be anywhere near as good as the hype, Floyd will pick him apart, in my heart i imagine Leonard - Duran I but my common sense keeps reminding me we're talking about men in their mid to late 30s that, no matter what anyones rose tinted shades tell them, havent fought anywhere near as good as their peak for the last couple of years.

The Algieri fight showed just how easy it is to avoid Pacman, had Algieri been a little more solid on his feet and stuck out a jab he might've made a go of it, can you imagine if thats Floyd? He'll just pot shot him all night, Pacman will have to come on with sustained pressure and just volume punch the motherfucker, Duran him, you know how hard that shit is to keep up? At their age?

Unless Manny & Freddy Roach have some master secret, I'm afraid youre right. That's why I'm hoping Manny has a throw back kinda night and takes 2 to land 1. I believe he's become less of a brawler to preserve and extend his career. Maybe, & that's a BIG MAYBE he turns back the clock and puts Floyd in trouble.

It's definatly gonna take a master performance and a huge volume of punches just to wear Floyd down a bit.

Tyson isn't even the top heavy in his generation. That would be Lennox Lewis.

Id put him in the 10~15 group. He always had trouble with bigger fighters, always. From Bonecrusher to Ruddock to Lewis etc....granted those guys should be in a super heavy weight division but they weren't.

He also got KO'd by Holyfield & then lost his mind and bit his ear off. Maybe it was head butts that pissed him off, but you can't do that shit & be thought of as one of the greats.

I do think Mike could handle both Klitchkos with his speed and head movement (the prime Tyson) and I think he could handle alot of the past champs.

He lost all of the bigtime fights he was in. Lewis, Holyfield twice beaten by a 42 ~ 1 underdog etc....

Tyson is my alltime favorite heavyweight but he's not near the GOAT.

Pac responded to Floyd today. I think this fight is finally gonna happen.

I wish it was three years ago, but damn I'm still hope Manny pulls this off.

It would set up the biggest trilogy since Ali~Frasier. Its all about the $$$

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/13/us/politics/amid-details-on-torture-data-on-26-held-in-error-.html

26 of the 119 detainees were wrongfully held. That's not bad, right?

Im guessing they were in the wrong place at the wrong time???

"Khaled el-Masri, a German citizen, was mistaken for someone with the same name, grabbed in Macedonia and flown to Afghanistan, where he spent four months in the C.I.A. jail known as the Salt Pit."

Fucking Macedonia, the widely known Muslim terrorist hotspot

Haha, attack of the clones??

Many religions have a God that punishes.

Cunts then?

That's appropriate. Very appropriate.

Many religions have a God that punishes.

i think up to Farm Aid 1990 or maybe Rio91 there were more building the prime, and after the UYI releases they were more living off the prime.

I've always thought that the 2 shows in Rio 1991 was the high point. The 2nd night is top 3 on my alltime favorite concerts. Amazing setlists, when they began to do the interludes, like Only Women Bleed into Knockin (2nd night is 1 of the best live versions) or the Godfather into Double Talkin Jive into Jungle!!! Tremendous stuff.

The Illusion tour had alot of great moments, I still have my cassette bootlegs from Giants Stadium, Indianapolis & Paris. But I got to agree with those who thought it was to bloated, it was.

Too much too soon.

26 of the 119 detainees were wrongfully held. That's not bad, right?

Im guessing they were in the wrong place at the wrong time???