TheSeeker

EDIT: Apparently I'm an idiot

1 minute ago, Modano09 said:

Anyone got lyrics for this yet?

Hey there Atlas

Why ya shruggin?

Hey there Atlas

I need a huggin

2 minutes ago, Gibson_Guy87 said:

I think we got the album we did because of the leaks in '06. If you think about it, most of the songs on CD leaked and all of those leaked tracks ended up on the album. Then the ones that didn't leak (Sorry, TIL, etc.) filled out the rest. I feel like if the tracks in '06 never leaked, we'd have gotten a better album.

The 2006 leaks were farther along and supposedly those demos were submitted to the label post-2002

So those actually were the direction they were headed song-wise anyway

Really fucking weird that Axl didn't lay down vocals for "Oklahoma" by 2000 since he said he came up with that song in 1995

Maybe he never wrote lyrics and it's just him noodling on guitar?

8 minutes ago, axlsalinger said:

Was just working out a CD99 tracklist today (only based on what we've got). No Oh My God since I highly doubt it would have made the album

IIRC the cover of the promotional CD single of "Oh My God" said something like "From the upcoming Guns N' Roses record Chinese Democracy" or something to that effect

5 minutes ago, Caedo said:

Gotta be honest I'm slightly surprised that this was the song they nearly included on the album. Even from hearing the rubbish quality clip of The General, surely it's got more going for it. Or Hard School even. 

Scraped made the album

They were going for quantity, not quality

Unless Axl has some dumb attachment to Scraped we're unaware of and he just had to put it on the disc

1 minute ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Before I compile my custom CD album I want to compile a 2000 Intensions version ... Do we know what the full tracklist should have been? 

Nope

There's rumored tracklists but they're probably all fake

Just now, Lies They Tell said:

Not sure if you're talking about All GNR song or just CD era songs, but Nightrain fades out.

All GNR songs

Was thinking about Catcher and how the demo didn't have an ending - so it's safe to say any demos that fade out aren't "finished", per se

So just Nightrain?

10 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

Something tells me a lot of these songs with intros are supposed to sequence with other songs 

For example, the intro to atlas kind of goes with TWAT. The intro to Hard School kind of falls in line Atlas, etc...

I was just thinking - do any GNR songs that have been officially released have endings that fade out?

I'll say...

Chinese Democracy

1. Chinese Democracy (Freese demo) - 3:29

2. Oh My God (End of Days soundtrack) - 3:40

3. Better (album) - 4:58

4. Hard School (demo) - 3:57

5. I.R.S. (demo) - 4:13

6. Street of Dreams (album) - 4:46

7. Sorry (album) - 6:14

8. There Was a Time (album) - 6:41

9. Madagascar (album) - 5:38

10. Prostitute (album) - 6:15

Total runtime: 49:51

I kind of look forward to fan mixes of these demos + the officially released stuff to make a better album than whatever Axl came up with

People had been doing that with the Beach Boys SMILE album for years before Brian finally went back through all the material and properly recorded the album the way he originally intended

I hope Axl doesn't wait until he's 70 to start doing that

The guitar in the chorus kind of sounds like the outro to "Stairway to Heaven" but in a higher key

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Right. So again; Bob was wrong. 

What songs from the Chinese Democracy sessions would have been a hit in 2001

Name one

The title track got pity airplay in 2008 and quickly died off

2 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

One thousand times this. Bob Ezrin needs to be kicked in the dick for selling Axl on this. This 2000 stockpile is by and far the best of what we've heard to date. 

Well it sounds like...

-Tom Zutaut, a proven Yes-Man, was brought back into the fold and Axl brought him CD's filled with songs - Tom told Axl there were dozens of songs worthy of finishing

-Tom was fired

-Axl brought the same CD's to Bob Ezrin, a proven producer of countless hit records, and was told "you have 2 good songs" 

1 minute ago, D.. said:

Did somebody really describe it as a November Rain kind of song? What a joke. Sounds a lot more than "Yesterdays" than anything if we absolutely have to compare if to a previous Gn'R song. But it's just its own thing.

Then again, those same journalists thought "The Last Jedi" was an amazing Star Wars movie when it's even worse than any of the prequels. Journalists are pointless at this point.

Roy Thomas Baker's job was to sell Axl's half-baked album

We were sold a lot of lies in the past 20 years

42 minutes ago, Gackt said:

Probably the top 5 "holy grails" that could drop:

• The General
• Soul Monster / Leave Me Alone
• Seven
• AFD '99
• Silkworms (album version)

Oklahoma/Berlin is up there for me

The lyrics are basically Axl's letter to Stephanie's son Dylan

That's how I'm interpreting it

Next batch of leaks shall forever be known as Pitman's Revenge

Found an old Tom Zutaut quote from 2008:

https://www.guitarworld.com/features/guns-n-roses-chinese-whispers

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“There were probably 50 or 60 songs on four or five CDs with 12-15 songs a piece. I had to go through those songs and then sit with Axl and work with him directly to pick and choose which songs would be worth finishing.”

So it sounds like there's another 10+ songs that Tom and Axl discarded in 2001 when he joined the project because they weren't up to snuff

32 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

Speaking of Ides of March, it really should be added to the list already! It's a very real title confirmed by Axl.

Removed "Motormouth" since I can find forum posts dating back 10+ years with people saying the interview was fake

Added "Ides of March"

Still at 48!

8 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Not sure. Feel like someone who has heard Thyme would’ve already said so if that was the case tho.

I dunno, the idea of Axl scrambling for a 10-second intro to TWAT and screaming "start cannibalizing our bad songs!" to find it instead of coming up with something new sounds very Axl

Just had a thought - is the intro to "There Was a Time" on the final album maybe taken from "Thyme"?

The instrumental of "The General" that GNR used to open live shows in 2006 would have made a good intro to the album - maybe by 2006 Axl thought that's all the song was good for

IRS coming in hard immediately after that to start the album would have been cool

I have a theory I want to run by you guys

I was researching the original interviews where "We Were Lying" and "Beta's Barn" got mentioned

Dizzy quote where "We Were Lying" was first mentioned:

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umm... I don't know... last year Brain had this song called 'the General' that was really cool... and another song called "we were lying [not sure if thats the name he said]" ... I don't know [...] (Dizzy Reed, Sp1at, January 2006)

The interviewer admits he might have misheard Dizzy - maybe Dizzy said "Me & My Elvis"?

Similarly, check out this 2009 interview with Chris Pitman:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=172

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Yes, we did have a large collection of songs recorded through the years, and many I don't even remember now!

But to think of a favorite song right now as we speak, I would have to say its one called 'Beta's Barn'

 

Maybe Pitman said "Better Gone" and the interviewer misinterpreted it?