TheSeeker

Reminder that Marco Beltrami later did orchestral arrangements in July 2002 for both Thyme and Me & My Elvis (Leave Me Alone):

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/film-composer-talks-about-his-work-on-guns-n-roses-chinese-democracy/

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When asked if he was ever in the studio with the members of GUNS N' ROSES or if the band came to him with the finished tracks, Beltrami said, "No, they had finished tracks. On one song I actually wrote a guitar part, but they pretty much had the band tracks down and then I added orchestral stuff on top of it. . . [I worked on] A song called 'Seven', which is the one that I did the most work on, I actually did some writing on. There was one called 'Thyme', one called 'The General', one called 'Leave Me Alone'."

Thyme was supposed to open the second album as an intro for "PRL", the title track of the second album

2 minutes ago, ryanf23 said:

So disc 2 won’t be released for a while?

They might be trying to get VMA rehearsals in exchange for the last disc

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Since some of you said thanks, we've made a decision.
Rough Mix CD four tonight, to cease your derision.
Punkie and Bitstorm, to name but a few.
The question now is how much more chinese stew?

We're not going away, maybe radio silent a bit.
But fear not we're sure you'll think Rough mix disc two is a hit.
Our motivation is simple, we hate those that hoard.
Interacting with them just makes us bored.

Do you like our prose, the words that we use?
Lucky for us, we've found our muse.
Rhymes may be silly, at times sly like a fox.
But honestly it was just a tactic sourced from the gimmick box.

A thanks to you all, made of zeros and ones.
Because hoarders, they don't deserve all the fun.
See, in this life, some hit and some miss.
This music creates a sociopsycotic state of bliss.

Our efforts won't cease, we'll keep on digging.
To bring your ears up to speed on what you've been missing.
So much more is out there, even if they say it ain't true.
Next target located, the VMA rehearsals from '02

As for Brasky's reporting, its kind of funny.
However we all know the band's main motivator's money.
See that's ok, provided we get results.
But THOSE four songs on an EP?  Please don't insult.

Cordially,

The Chairman

 

Yay!

4 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I want to know that too. I feel like I die some more inside each time I have to listen to Ashba, so I'm still on the fence if I should download this one.

It's honestly kind of boring 

Dizzy playing November Rain if anyone ever wanted to hear that

If someone cut the audio up they'd all make for great karaoke tracks, though - band was tight

The attached poem says ROUGH MIXES 4 DROPS TOMORROW!

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This moring we told you it'd be one of two.
We keep our word, we hope you will too.
This one though, didn't come from a locker.
But guess who's lost the exclusive?  His name is Walker.

This magic playing narc, obsessed with this band.
To the point that he reports, definitely no fan.
Sucking up to Fernando, Beta and more, they aren't your stan.
You mean nothing to them, tool, try being a man.

Think of all the other things you've been stashing.
Who has access to my files should be the question you're asking.
Your friends are your foes, your clicks are your doom.
Might want to be careful of who invites you to rooms

For the rest of you all, the non hoarding lot.
This is it for tonight, but its not all that we've got.
Tomorrow you'll hear, a delight to its core.
Yes it shall be the fabled rough mixes four.

Cordially,

The Chairman

P.S. Walker is a Nazi

 

Well then!

6 minutes ago, SlashisGOD said:

Maybe he also wanted to talk to both about rejoining for all we know.

Axl wanted Izzy to perform at Rock in Rio 2001 and he declined

13 minutes ago, SlashisGOD said:

Now that the reunion has happened I'm convinced that the only person in this universe who could have gotten Axl to release the songs was Slash, but the only problem was their split was still too fresh for Axl to give him a call. You know Slash would have rejoined in a heartbeat, which probably means Duff comes back as well. Slash would add his input to the songs and boom, new GNR album is out in 2001. It's obvious to me and other fans that all this time, all Axl wanted was his friends back by his side. I don't give a shit what anyone says. Axl now compared to Axl in 2012-2014 is a completely different person.   

That reminds me - remember Marc Canter said Axl was leaving 2 or 3 tracks aside for Slash "if he ever wanted to rejoin"?

I wonder what tracks those were

IIRC Axl told that to Marc in 2001, so it's definitely tracks from the locker set

3 minutes ago, Beto 22 said:

Wasn't Sorum who brought Finck? I believe that at some point Finck, Duff , Sorum and Paul was the band after Slash quit. And I do believe that Merck worked with Doug in Sanctuary.

 

Matt and Axl went to see Cirque du Soleil but Robin didn't actually sign until a few months later

And yeah Merck was more "promoted" to manager than hired

31 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2016/feb/24/kanye-west-tells-producer-bob-ezrin-never-speak-in-public-again

Bipolar people don't like hearing the truth, news at 11

It's very likely any tracks on the Rough Mixes CD's dated March 2000 were directly from the Sean Beavan album that Jimmy Iovine heard and led to the hiring of Roy Thomas Baker

Any tracks dated from late 2000 and after were produced by Roy Thomas Baker

41 minutes ago, BangoSkank said:

Interesting, so they were recorded at Rumbo, but brought over to and leaked from Village. I mainly ask because if these were recorded at Village then we actually owe Ezrin something. 

I think the Rough Mixes CD's were a "here's what we have so far pre-Village" compilation from November 2000 and then you can see after that with the rest of the discs that Axl just farted around with overdubs for the next year, outside of some new Buckethead songs and re-recording KOHD the month after 9/11

Remember the timeline here 

February 2000 - Doug Goldstein says album is "99 percent musically done and 80 percent vocals done" and will be done in February or March for a Summer 2000 release

April 2000 - Jimmy Iovine listens to the Sean Beavan album, tells Axl he needs better production

April 2000 - Roy Thomas Baker hired

October 2000 - Bob Ezrin hired, band is moved to The Village recording studio

November 2000 - Rough Mixes compiled

February 2001 - Tom Zutaut hired

March 2001 - Beta tells the press that the label has "48 songs" and is choosing what ones will be on the album

March 2001 - Bob Ezrin listens to all the material, tells Axl he has 2 good songs and leaves the project

November 2001 - Tom Zutaut fired

February 2002 - Roy Thomas Baker fired

September 2002 - Doug Goldstein fired

6 minutes ago, smokingarthur said:

And I don’t believe that was the 1999 version as it’s just too unfinished. 

Oklahoma was previewed in February 2000 for a Rolling Stone reporter - it didn't have vocals then

In the Rough Mixes CD dates November 2000 (Bob Ezrin joined the project the month prior)...still no vocals

The tracks Axl chose to play for Rolling Stone in February 2000 were Chinese Democracy, Catcher in the Rye, IRS, The Blues, TWAT, and the Oklahoma instrumental

So Axl had confidence in 6 songs at the start of 2000, one of which he hadn't even wrote lyrics to

22 minutes ago, BangoSkank said:

I'm confused on the timeline here. 

Ezrin heard songs then suggested they move to Village. 

These leaks were recorded at Village. 

So maybe these leaks are not what he initially was given?

Bob Ezrin signed on to the project in October 2000

I'm guessing the "Rough Mixes" CD's were compiled in November 2000 for him so he could hear whatever was close to finished at the time he joined

Maybe this is the guy who did the rough mixes? -

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=3531

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"The album has been mastered ONCE in the past. That was around 1999/2000, George Marino, the guy who mastered it confirmed it to me in an email in the past. However, he also said he had no idea about where it stands now." (Gigger, MyGNR, 12/14/04)

George Marino died in 2012:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Marino

Just now, Pacha said:

Axl had very good material, but he hadn't any hit. I think that was always the problem for the record company.

Maybe if Axl hadn't used the name GNR it'd have been different. Slash's solo albums are well below what Axl produced in those years, and he hadn't problem editing them.

I think Perhaps and The Blues could have cracked Top 40 in 2001-2002, but that's only because they have pop vibes

Hardschool would have sounded tame compared to the nu-metal stuff that was dominating the charts back then 

To be fair to Bob - if he heard the same exact tracks we heard, the only tracks I would say were "guaranteed money" were Perhaps and The Blues

TWAT wasn't a great song yet. Catcher in the Rye is great because of Brian May and you'd have to advertise it as "Guns N' Roses featuring Brian May" which I'm not sure Axl would want to do with a single.

Axl not putting Perhaps on the 2008 album to me indicates he was still planning on a second/third album at that point and wanted to hold back a "big gun".

9 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

First, credit to Murph for the scoop. Fernando confirmed on Reddit that a new GNR release will drop within the next 6 months, in what will be Axl and Slash’s first original collaboration in 28 years! 💥

Fernando isn't on Reddit

15 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

If you had to do it over and over again ad nauseam , you'd be getting cunty yourself. You gotta remember these leaks do not go to sites where they stay available. The site that is being used only stores them for a week and NONE of them stayed up for more than a day or two. Go put yourself in the position where you and you alone had to field a shitload of PMs, re-upload the links over and over again. Put the links in the page and still have people asking for PMs because they're too fucking stupid to know how to scroll through a thread. When you do that, then you can come to me and act like I'm the one who is the cunt.

Sir, this is a Dairy Queen

2 hours ago, username05 said:

what do you mean fucked up?
I remember that at certain point in 01 or 02 buckethead had some health issues, but don't remember what exactly it was. IIRC correctly, someone from the band found him fainted at his place or something like that. 

He was angry and wanted to join the military

5 hours ago, Caedo said:

So if the rumour of Axl using PRL as the title for the next album (or at least the first track) are true it seems he was keen on continuing his theme of naming albums after dodgy foreign governments

More of a stretch, but then I wonder if Axl renaming Oklahoma “Berlin” meant the 3rd album was supposed to be titled Berlin and have that song

Regarding "PRL"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_People's_Republic

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The Polish People's Republic (Polish: Polska Rzeczpospolita Ludowa, PRL) was a country in Central Europe that existed from 1947 to 1989, and the predecessor of the modern democratic Republic of Poland.

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The Polish People's Republic was a one-party state characterized by constant internal struggles for democracy and better living conditions.

Oh man - just made the connection that a song called "Billionaire" turned into a song about child abuse called "The General" 

Was Axl making a song about Epstein & Co.? I'm sure Axl saw some shit living in LA for 30+ years