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Part of this sounds a lot like Robin's "This I Love" solo

11 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

Sooo has the current scuttlebut with management scared away the leaker(s)?

There's only one or two tracks left with vocals, and one supposedly is Axl rapping

Just now, ronartest2004 said:

This isn’t exactly what was said but I said something along the lines of “Fernando probably unknowingly screwed up and shared some tracks that eventually got out and Axl probably ripped his ass”

I think the Axl tipping his ass part pissed off fernando because he quoted me and said something along the lines of “what the fuck would you know”

That made me believe I had struck a nerve. (Which I wasn’t trying to do)

One of our hoarder friends said that Fernando got kicked out of the house after Axl connected him with leaks back in the day - not sure what time period that was exactly

Ok here's the Fernando interview from 2001 - relevant part is bolded:

http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/2001axl/articles/Fernando2.html

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"That Axl Rose, tha famous leading man of GNR, has a brazilian mother is already known, but his connection to Brazil goes far beyond. His best friend is Fernando, 22, the youngest son of Beta, buddy and all time friend and a sure presence in the studio. You can read bellow the best parts of the interview:

Q:Which year did you go the the US?

F: In 93 or 94.

Q:Did you already know GNR?

F: I knew it, but wans't a fan, didn't know its work deeply.

Q: How was the first time you see Axl?

F:The first time I met him I was 13, and was in my cousin Stephanie's house (Beta was married to the model's uncle), I was washing the car when he stopped, grabbed my hand and spitted the water inside his mouth over me. Since then, he has always joked with me. He sees in me someone close to what he'd like to have being when he was a child.

Q:Do you go out together?

F:Well, we're always working, but he likes to go out by night, go to the movies, have dinner, and we come back home around 3, 4 am.

Q: How did your mom start to work for Axl?

F:My mom worked for Stephanie, when she was fired she went to North California and Axl called up the next day saying he had liked her and our family. Three or four days after, she started to work for him. So, I began to listen to his songs.

Q:What do you think about Stephanie?

F:I hate her. She's synonym of trouble. Fake, not trustable, doesn't know what is love or to be fond of someone without second intentions. Her mother is already like this.

Q:What kind of woman is Axl looking for right now?

F: He's not going after women. His attentions are turned to the CD, he doesn't want any distractions. He sometimes looks for, but he's not running after women.

Q:What's the reason for the CD delay?

F:It's like every time he tries to do something, anything always goes wrong. As if everything was going well, but suddenly the guy who's responsible for some technical detail makes a mistake, for example. I can say it cause I was with him in the studio and it's unbelievable, it's like something tries to bring him away from this project. I listened to the new CD, and I can say that all the songs are beautiful, not even one track is there just to fill in space. The CD might have 16 or 17 tracks and they're all very strong. I don't say this because I work for him, or because I'm his friend, my friends, for example, when they listen to some track, they always pay compliments. Catcher in the Rye, That's called the Blues, Chinese Democracy, they are all very beautiful.

Q: What is the creation process?

F:First, Axl works on the rhythm with the band. The lyrics, he's already got them ready in his mind. He's working very hard to see what kind of word fits exactly to the word he's already got in mind and to the sound he's listening to. He's one of the brightest persons I've ever known.

Q:The Rolling Stone published an article saying Axl throws Halloween parties every year? Is it true?

F:I think it started in 95. But RS published this article saying people were there only for obligation, which was a lie. He throws two kind of parties: the first one is during daytime, for children, friend's kids and poor kids, abused by his parents, blind ... About a hundred kids attend and when they arrive at the house, they become amazed, he builds a kinda amusement park with toys and everything else. The other one is for adults, and RS said people was hating the party, that we're serving Jose Cuervo when in fact we're serving the best tequila, we serve the best one can buy. We even rented a tequila fountain, but RS omitted this. People who went were the same of every year, they always call a few days after asking for the party. This is one of the few parties Axl gives, people use to think his house is surrounded by booze and loud music, but that's not true. He only drinks tequila and never becomes drunk or mad, he's the most tender person I know. Always kind with my friends, and each time some trouble becomes eminent, he turns his back and walks away.

Q:And about Internet?

F: He likes to surf, he could spend hours,but when he reads lies about him and can't do anything, he gets upset. The fans read the public chats and the stories are repeated so many times that they start to believe.

Q: What do you know about Xoxi and Renato?

F:I can't remember, but there is people specialized in spreading lies or posting private phone numbers and personal addresses. They must be one of these.

Q: And about Karen Mcneil?

F:She's a person who needs help. Once, she followed the maid and got into the house. She's scaring, she thinks Axl communicates with her by letters and, go figure, she thinks he has some love relationship with my mom, which doesn't exist. But she thinks that, wasn't for my mom, Axl would marry her.

Q:What's the relationship between Axl and Slash?

F:They haven't talked to each other for years. But it's a relationship in which people see Axl as the villain. If something went wrong, whose fault is it? If Slash does something, nobody even gets to know, like Snakepit, and what's so special about this album? It's not in any MTV charts, nobody buys it, but Slash is the "key" of GNR, GNR is Slash while Axl ... He was a good guitarist, but it's not that much, Axl doesn't need to be blamed for everything. Slash uses drugs and has been in the hospital due to an overdose, but that's nothing, while if it was Axl ... For example, one of these days I was home when I saw someone running in the garden, Axl's room is above mine, so I thought the person might have jumped through Axl's window and ran. I went to his room and knocked but nobody opened, cause Axl was in the shower and didn't listen, but I called the police. When they arrived, the para-medics came along and said they were here to help an overdose victim. I never said overdose, they supposed that, because it was Axl's house, the emergency was an overdose. Slash wanted to end with Guns, took the band to bars. Axl said to him it wasn't possible, they couldn't play for a thousand public when they attracted a public of 2000000. However, if Axl had agreed with Slash, people would blame him for the failure of the idea.

Q:So, this is Axl's version for Slash's firing?

F:Everybody talks about Axl's version and Slash's version. There is no Axl's version, cause what he says is the truth. Axl doesn't lie, he only speaks the truth. But Slash wanted the Snakepit's songs in the Guns album, and Axl didn't want it, so he started to turn things difficult. He wouldn't accept other songs besides his owns.

Q: And what about Duff's departure?

F: He quit because he wanted a family, his daughter was born and he wanted time for his family. That's what I've heard, I don't know anything about the legal process. They're friends, but it's been years since they don't call each other.

Q: Which is your personal opinion about Slash ?

F:I knew him when I was still a child. He has a voice ... different. I'm not friends with him, he knows me, he knows I'm Beta's son...

Q:Duff ?

F: I think I saw him 3 or 4 times, but we never talked more deeply. He seems to be a cool guy.

Q:Matt?

F:I don't like him. He thinks he's best than he is in reality.

Q:Buckethead?

F:He's very cool, looks like a child, he's the tenderest and kindest person I know, besides Axl. We're very good friends.

Q:Brain?

F: Great, more than cool.

Q:Fink ?

F:He was criticized for playing Sossego, but do you know any other person who would do that? He learned that song one day before the show ... Axl ... Guns loves Brazil, they feel a connection with the fans, they love it really, without any falsity. Robin noticed that and saw Brazil in the same way. He learned to play and sing by himself.

Q: Does Axl speak Portuguese?

F: No, just a few dirty words.

Q:How is he as a boss?

F: Everybody loves him, he's always willing to hear what you have to say. He pays very well, and always wants to know what's happening, but don't lie to him, if you do it he says: 'Well, if you're gonna lie to me, better do it in another place'. Much more if the lie has something to do with Guns.

Q: Are the rumors that Sabrina is his girlfriend true?

F: No, he trusts Sabrina, she's a great friend.

Q: What about Suellen?

F: Who?

Q: Is he pro Napster?

F: If it's to research, to see if you like, he's pro. But if it's only to pick up songs for free, he's against.

Now, Im going to ask you a few things. You say if it's true or false.

Q:Did Axl pay millions in an exorcism?

F: (laughs) Lie.

Q:Did he dress as a prince to ask Stephanie to marry him? Whose idea was it?

F:He used a white horse ... I think so. I don't know whose idea it was.

Q:There's a brazilian, Cuca, that states Axl flirted with her, but she didn't want him cause he was short, stinky and ugly. Do you know anything about it?

F: Never heard about it, but he's not short, his height is about 1m75cm, and I can affirm he takes about two baths everyday, and ugly ... I don't think so. But this is personal. I didn't know this story.

Q:Which are your musical tastes?

F:I'm not radical. I listen to everything that can offer something new, everything that has a flavor, I like rock, country, pagode, brazilian funk, opera, I don't have prejudices. Except for heavy metal, I don't like it.

Q: What did you miss more when you left Brazil?

F:I was so worried about moving and not knowing anybody, only my mom and my brother ... I missed my family and my friends.

Q: Which is your favorite Guns song?

F:That's called the Blues and Patience.

Q: Is he happy?

F:Yes! He gets angry when people feel pity for him, thinking he might be sad. He's happy!"

 

21 minutes ago, ronartest2004 said:

I don’t remember the exact year but someone was able to trace the leaks back to Fernando (from what I remember he shared some tracks with some friends of his) 

He admitted to sharing the demos in an interview around 2001 - I'll try and dig it up

Ok I finally pinpointed what this reminds me of

I was singing it to myself earlier and "Criminal" by Fiona Apple popped into my head

Then I remembered this Axl quote from November 1999:

http://htgth.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=28

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Loder: What's been knocking you out yourself lately? Is there anything today that you think is better than Jane's Addiction was back in the day?

Rose: I don't know about, like, as far as aggressive goes, but I really like the new Fiona Apple.

Loder: Really?

Rose: You know, I liked the last record, I like the new one. Who do I listen to that's aggressive? I think that the "End Of Days" soundtrack is a lot of fun. Limp Bizkit is fun. The White Zombie stuff is fun.

 

Removed $3.00 Pyramid, added Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door

Still at 48

Let's update the list.

Axl said 26 tracks were "nearly done" in January 2006 and we can narrow those down to these 23 songs that we know have confirmed vocals:

Atlas Shrugged (demo)

Better

Catcher in the Rye

Chinese Democracy

Going Down (demo)

Hard School (demo)

If the World

I.R.S.

Knockin' on Heaven's Door (demo)

Madagascar

Oh My God

Perhaps (demo)

Prostitute

Riad N' the Bedouins 

Scraped

Shackler's Revenge

Silkworms (demo)

Sorry

State of Grace (demo)

Street of Dreams

The General (fan recording)

There Was a Time

This I Love

Going back to the time period - could "P.R.L." be a play on MTV's "TRL" that was popular at the time?

4 minutes ago, Legendador said:

Didn't really love any of these songs, and Hardschool feels already older than the UYI albums.

"General" next?

General wasn't on the Zutaut discs, so unless it's on there under a different name or hoarders have it from another source, we'll never hear it outside of that party recording from 2010

1 minute ago, highend88 said:

So Perhaps is working title for Thyme? The one that Marco Beltrami work on the arrangement? 

Apparently Thyme was just an instrumental track

Think of how "Sirius" by Alan Parsons Project was really just an intro for "Eye in the Sky":

I don't think anyone's brought this up so far - was "Perhaps" going to be the cornerstone of the second album?

From a January 2001 interview with Axl (night after Rio):

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"He admitted not feeling happy with the show last night, and gave some details of the new album: he already has 36 songs practically ready (one dedicated to John Lennon, another about child abuse), and there is a possibility that the album is double , in the style of Use your illusion, one of the compacts would be named after Chinese Democracy and the other would be called PRL"

One of the leakers has said PRL = "Perhaps"

I don't think anyone who posted tracklists took into consideration that CD's can only have 74 minutes worth of audio

Personally, I'd separate the albums into 2000 Intentions ("Drum Loop Album") and Chinese Democracy ("Ballad Album")

So something like

2000 Intentions

1. Better

2. Oh My God

3. Riad N' the Bedouins

4. Shackler's Revenge

5. Scraped

6. If the World

7. There Was a Time

8. The General

9. State of Grace

10. Silkworms

11. Prostitute

Chinese Democracy

1. Chinese Democracy

2. Hard School

3. I.R.S.

4. Madagascar

5. Going Down

6. This I Love

7. Street of Dreams

8. Catcher in the Rye

9. Atlas Shrugged

10. Sorry

11. Perhaps

Saw him New Year's Eve in Niagara Falls like 10 years ago - dude was trashed, but he was a big guy and you could tell he was in a lot of pain. He still fucking brought it vocally.

RIP

2 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Where was Atlas played as NR intro? Any video?

Anyone else hear the "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" similarities?

It's crazy that we've now confirmed that Axl has played "This I Love", "Atlas Shrugged" and "Prostitute" as November Rain intros - maybe he's been playing "Perhaps" for the past few years and we all just assumed it was "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road"?

99% sure I heard the phrase "State of Grace" a couple times in the lyrics so now there's doubt in my mind that "Perhaps" is the correct title for this track

6 minutes ago, Arnuld said:

That scream at the end.....OMG

Yeah even for him that's high as fuck

Song reminds me of "Rooster" by Alice in Chains

2 hours ago, life_247 said:

From the Eddie Trunk 2006 Interview:

"Bach: Hey, how do you feel about Pro Tools on lead vocals?

Axl: What do you mean?

Bach: Like, I mean I just went through this horrible experience doing this album with this guy that like took my lead vocals and like put them and made them so perfect that it was nauseating, like that's the style now of producing lead vocals, like making it so perfect that to me it sucks

Axl: I think that there all types of different ways to do it, I mean you can definitely overproduce it and make it too perfect that it's a nightmare and it makes it sterile. Or you can use a little bit of everything. You can push it every way possible using the technology and doing it, everything you can do. We.... the only thing you have heard has been the leaks but there's different things where its just like.... I don't like to stretch things with Pro Tools or anything like that. I don't like that kind of cheating...It's a lot faster. "

So he's not using Auto-Tune/Melodyne like a pop music producer that would be rediculous - you can use vocal tuning just to simply tighten up the vocals. Also some people prefer to do 1 or 2 takes and use a complete take of the song and use a little touch of tuning rather than chopping up multiple takes. I highly doubt Axl uses it live - it doesn't really work live very well unless you are wanting to do the Auto-Tune brickwall effect (Cher effect), due to the issue of having to decided how much it attacks and holds.

I'm pretty sure the 1999 versions have no tuning on it, whereas the RTB era recordings have had vocal tuning done on them. Of course it could be some form of other vocal processing that has created the slight phasing/lack of clarity you get from it (its also present on everything made in the last 20 years to some extent so everyone (myself included!) is so used to it now). The final album has vocal tuning on all vocals, its standard procedure - it must of been incorperated when they completly re-recorded the album with RTB, which is when I believe they moved to Pro-Tools (Eric Caudeix et al.).

I think the IRS 99 demo had a bum note that Axl hit but was corrected in the later demos - can't remember but it was, but I noticed it right away

2 hours ago, Jordan Rose said:

I really, really don't understand the interest people had for this audio to leak as a 'Holy Grail' thing. Yeah, it's pro-shot which is cool , but it's the exact same Axl voice and look from Rio two weeks later and we already had good audio.

Axl was yeling at the monitor guy all night at Rio and his vocals were drowned out on a lot of songs

Vegas was a much better audio mix

It's interesting though that on both the Vegas and Rio recordings, Axl's vocals at the beginning of "Think About You" are drowned out at the very beginning then suddenly jump in - they must have fucked up some preset on the mixing board and had to override it both times

13 minutes ago, djtripp20 said:

The General cell phone clip is the most intriguing thing left out there for me. It sounds so friggin mean man.

Yeah it's weird that Axl was still openly teasing a second album in 2010, but then a year later his voice was gone and he started the never-ending Greatest Hits tour

The Azoff lawsuit killed his drive in 2011, and by 2014 he was ready to cash in on a reunion since he was just going through the motions anyway

1 minute ago, allwaystired said:

Listening? Have you just ripped the video for audio, or is there a separate audio track? 

Someone mixed the VHS soundboard audio with the audience recording to make a "Matrix" audio of the entire concert and I have that - it's pretty cool

I kind of want to make a Silkworms music video using the demo audio mixed with footage from Rio and Vegas