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30 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

What’s the story behind ‘2000 Intentions’? Was it really considered to be the name of what became CD and if so was there any suggestion as to what the track list was intended to be?

This was the first mention of that title

https://www.nme.com/news/music/guns-n-roses-358-1400687

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GOOD INTENTIONS FOR 1999
Jun 21, 1999 5:09 pm BST
  
Re-recording of 'Sweet Child O' Mine' features debut of post-Slash band...

Guns N’ Roses return before the end of the decade with a re-recorded version of ‘Sweet Child O’ Mine’, used at the end of the new Adam Sandler comedy Big Daddy.

The track uses a live version of the song recorded on the band’s last European tour before going into a new version recorded by the new G’N’R lineup.

The band – which is essentially just Axl Rose without any original Gunners – are still supposed to release their long overdue album, provisionally entitled ‘2000 Intentions’ before the end of the year.

 

And the second mention (and last, I think) -

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=27

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Guns N' Roses 2-part article
Kerrang! 21st of August, 1999

Interestingly, sources even suggested that the album already had a title - possibly ‘Cockroach soup’ or, more realistically, ‘2000 intentions’.

So it was either bullshit or a legit album title - the name "Chinese Democracy" was announced in September 1999 and Doug Goldstein said that name was finalized 6 weeks prior

27 minutes ago, Powerage5 said:

The fact that we now have all 19 discs makes Scraped a much more interesting song IMO. It's now the only song from the album we really don't know the origins of - none of the ideas in the song come from any of these instrumentals, we don't know when it was written, when vocals were laid down, we didn't even know the song existed until the tracklist was released for the album. It's true that TIL isn't represented in the locker discs either, but we know it's origins, we know it was abandoned for a long time and brought back into the fold relatively late - Scraped we still know literally nothing about. 

Bucket and Brain were both on Scraped, so that means it's a 2002-2004 composition

2 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

No. Back then, someone assumed Riad was Oklahoma, even though Axl called the song Riad N' The Bedouins in the intro. Somehow, this rumor evolved to them rehearsing Oklahoma, but replacing it to Riad. 

99% sure a pic of the setlist had "Oklahoma" written in place of Riad for the 1/1/01 show

5 minutes ago, TeeJay410 said:

It would be wholly appropriate to put the rockband vox on these since the vocals were probably recorded back then

Nah if they were recorded they would have been on the CD - no reason to leave them off

So after 2001 Axl put down lead vocals on:

-Berlin (assuming it has lyrics)

-Scraped

-Shackler's Revenge

-Sorry

-Soul Monster

-The General

-This I Love

So after the dust has settled, the only songs from this era that are unaccounted for in some kind of listenable form are:

-Down By the Ocean

-Ides of March

-Seven

Unless they're on the locker discs under a different name

Merged Billionaire and The General into one entry

Still at 48!

Shankler's Revenge is to Shackler's Revenge what Billionaire is to The General

Ideas that were liked and then built upon

Just now, ryanf23 said:

Does anyone have the ability to isolate the Axl vocals on shacklers and add them to this instrumental? It would be like a whole new song 

The stems exist from the album version on Rock Band so I'm sure that can be done easily

1 minute ago, Damian666 said:

Same reason as no Rhiad

I think the band's had to disown Riad since Pitman got caught sampling the intro from someone else's work

12 hours ago, hollywood_democracy said:

And who's to say he didn't re-record these songs at a later date? Or dropped them all together... I don't comment here much, but I see a lot of people really going off on how lazy he was and how little vocals he sang... This was almost 20 years ago. I'm sure there is plenty more material; some updates of stuff we've now heard, and some that we never even knew existed... 

Hey guess what I found

https://sleazeroxx.com/recording-chinese-democracy-axl-rose-at-the-palms-studio/

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RECORDING ‘CHINESE DEMOCRACY’: AXL ROSE AT THE PALMS STUDIO:

November 26, 2008

Next month will mark two years since audio engineer Mark Gray, 31, dropped by the studio at the Palms to say goodbye to his co-workers before departing for a vacation. His boss asked him if he would be willing to come back early to do some just-booked sessions. “I went from ‘no way,’ ” he recalls, “to changing my plane ticket right away.” All it took to change his mind is what the sessions were for recording. And, on Dec. 27, 2006, Gray found himself one of the many engineers to be connected to the legendary Guns N’ Roses disc “Chinese Democracy.”

Axl Rose arrived at the Palms Studio inside the resort and worked for 13 days in 2006 on his vocals for the finally released disc. Gray recalls a list of 14 songs (the same number as on the released version) many with working titles. Among those Rose worked on at Palms Studio he is sure are on the disc are “Chinese Democracy,” “Madagascar” and “Prostitute.” 

 

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“He had a firm handshake and looked you straight in the eye. It was all vocal overdubs or vocal leads. He would move from song to song, working on different parts. He was jumping about, but he knew exactly what he wanted. The producers set everything so the workflow is catered to the artist for anyone, and that is how it went down here. From what I saw, it was first takes or at most two or three takes. Rose would say, ‘I can get the part better’ or ‘I can tighten it up.’ “

So Axl went track-by-track recording either overdubs for existing vocal tracks or lead vocals for tracks he had never sang on before in December 2006.

He only worked on the 14 album tracks that were released in 2008 - nothing else.

So Axl must have recorded vocals for The General and Soul Monster (and Berlin maybe) pre-2006. 

I'm going to guess he recorded all the vocals for Shackler's Revenge, If the World, Scraped, Sorry and This I Love in December 2006.

Axl said he sang Soul Monster on a Christmas Eve. Going by the dates he had a studio booked, that could have been either December 2001 (The Village) or December 2004 (Woodland Ranch)

8 minutes ago, adamsapple said:

As for putting lyrics to a piece of music, it's probably the hardest thing to do for a singer and lyricist as the music might sort of dictate your pace, melody and delivery - and in conclusion your choice of words or even the topic depending on the energy and dynamics of the music.

Eddie Vedder got his job with Pearl Jam because they had an instrumental demo laying around, and Eddie took it and made it into "Alive" and submitted it to the band

They heard it and were like "THAT WILL DO"

8 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

He probably did re-record all the vocals eventually, considering that all we've really heard of that song thus far is just a scratch vocal from 2001.

The same vocal tracks from 1999 ended up on the final album, ProTooled to hell (TWAT, IRS, Prostitute, Madagascar, The Blues except the outro, etc.)

State of Grace isn't scratch lyrics, he's just singing it so poorly you assume he's making it up as he goes along

Axl insisted on doing all this shit in one take 

Hey Axl - you needed more than one take

Was listening to "State of Grace" last night and Axl really does the song a disservice by singing the verses so lazily

Should have re-recorded those lines at some point

Perhaps could get Top 40 airplay if it dropped tomorrow - out of all the Chinese Democracy songs it's the most radio friendly

12 minutes ago, Gibson_Guy87 said:

Does PRL stand for anything? 

Pretty Ripe Leftovers

6 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I haven't listened to CD so much to be able to distinguish Pitman's signature sound, lol - does he have one? 

Beats by Goose

From Chinese Whispers

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"I had produced [techno songstress] Poe [album Hello, released in 1995] and there were drum loops in the songs, and Axl wanted that." (Matt Sorum, Spin, 07/99)

So this is what Axl was aiming for:

2 minutes ago, Arnuld said:

I’m glad we never got an electronica version of GNR. This is so late 90s the way disco was so late 70s.

I mean...it sounds exactly like the outro to "Closer" and that was from fucking 1994

It's like Axl got caught dabbling in Electronica, his entire band left him, and then he hired a bunch of other people to prove them wrong...but by the time he figured everything out the fad had passed

Really - listen to 5:00 on from "Closer" and then listen to PRL

Just now, Shacklermyrye said:

Isn't Thyme supposed to be part of P.R.L. Like layered into the song or something. Sure I heard that somewhere but cant see it working at all.

In 2002 Marco Beltrami re-did it as an orchestra piece - so imagine Thyme as a piece of classical music to open the album

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

Wait. So they're doing the last disc track by track?

No this is some guy who went rogue and said he had it months ago along with State of Grace and other tracks