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16 hours ago, meadsoap said:

I'm still not getting what you're trying to say. "The industry has heard"... So what? What do you think will change? Louis CK is still booking arena tours, Rammstein came out completely unscathed, Motley Crue is selling out stadiums despite a whole primetime television show about their drummer beating his wife. In fact, "Pam and Tommy" may have made Motley Crue more popular.

Nobody ever gets "cancelled", and the only way "the industry" pushes anyone out is if they stop making people money. 

Well the difference there was that those cases involved the band members. When it's a manager, or hanger on then they don't enjoy the same fan support to keep them in that position.

Look he's not the CEO of Apple, this isn't page 1 of any newspaper. But Fernando having to pay off an ex photographer looks bad. It also makes other photographers weary of working with them, and that's removing all the sexual misconduct.

You don't think it makes a difference. it won't effect gnr's ability to tour, but it should impact Fernando's ability to hold the top management position in the band if he's wielding his power against lower powered employees.

1 minute ago, meadsoap said:

It's bad press, and minor bad press at that. No one knows who Fernando is. Sexual Harassment cases only blow up for famous people, and the only allegations made are against a guy no one cares about by a woman no one knows.

If it's between some short-term shit talking on the Internet that doesn't affect him financially vs potentially losing his entire family and support network... we all know what Axl would choose. 

Like I said, this will be settled out of court like all the lawsuits against GnR has been, and all but maybe a 100 people in the world will ever remember this case existed.

Yeah you're not really getting it. And this is a big deal. 

Everybody knows who gnr are. And if gnrs manager is in trouble the music industry has heard whether it makes the papers or not. 

It might be settled, maybe it won't be. The other cases were about unpaid fees, this is a whole lot messier.

3 minutes ago, weaponsnflowers said:

This. That's why this could turn into a real shit show. If he does get fired, and he is high on ego and coke, it's gonna be lawsuit against Axl for sure. Isn't that what pretty much always happens in showbiz? Sued and countersued.

Guns n roses the entity might get sued, and that would name Axl, slash and Duff but I don't see Axl being personally sued unless he was somehow instructing Fernando to withhold money and telling him to pursue her... Which is so far from a realistic possibility. 

I think Axl assumed Kat was being paid and being treated professionally.

35 minutes ago, meadsoap said:

Counterpoint... when has GN'R (or Axl specifically) ever cared about bad publicity? The threat of bad press has never persuaded Axl to do anything in his life, ever. If it did, Axl's whole career would have been completely different.

Fernando will stay. Whether it's the right thing to do or not, it's a forgone conclusion.

It's not the bad press. It would be the abuse of power and abuse of a woman who was personally hired by Axl.

Let's see how it develops. I'd expect Fernando to have some big shit lawyers that will try and paint her in the most negative light possible. I'd also expect any negative Kat stories to be coming indirectly through the Jarmos of this world as well as well hidden Reddit and discord accounts 

Yeah he comes off particularly bad in all of the above. 

I'm just judging all of this from the messages he wrote on here and discord. He came off as an arrogant asshole. To me it seemed like the reunion had gone to his head and all these allegations scream of what happens when you put someone in charge that isn't fit for the job. 

I imagine GNR will be silent about all of this, but they should go the way of Mustaine and fire him immediately and get away from the mess. Obviously Axl is so intangled with TB that I don't know how he can fire Fernando and not risk losing his support network, but I just don't see how Fernando can stay employed even if only 50% of this is true.

We don't know him personally, but obviously we all got the same impression from him... He doesn't seem like a great guy, I wanted to give him and his family the benefit of the doubt but this kind of treatment of workers is unacceptable. Hard to imagine the band aren't aware of what was going on, unless they are completely separated and unreachable by anyone but management 

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I wonder how much of the copy/paste criticism is due to us knowing how these songs have been made before we hear them. We're kind of prepared and "programmed" to hear them as a product of copy and paste. Aside from the repetition of verses on Perhaps etc., would we be able to tell that the songs have a "copy and paste" sound if we heard them without knowing anything about them?

I think we'd criticise about the same if this brand new material freaky written and Axl was re-using verses the way he has on these tracks.

It's not awful, but I guess I expected more from Axl after hearing the Chinese album. I think it was mostly s good call not including this material on the 2008 album 

He came on time more times than not when I saw gnr. And each time be was slightly late 45mins the show was excellent.

8 hours ago, Spiritual_Chaos said:

Looks like Mick Jagger in that pic. But with worse fashion sense ofc.

Looks closer to Lou Gramm

I think the general needed an extra tweak. Like the op said, it just doesn't have any lift... Like all the songs so far there is plenty of good in them, but the biggest issue is this copy/paste approach. I guess there's no rule saying a song HAS to have different verses... But I guess we are tuned to expect it, and for the songs to build and add different things ad they go on. Compared to Chinese these songs are quite underproduced, but not in the way we would have hoped.

Perhaps

Hardskool

Monsters

The general 

Absurd (different more traditional Axl vocals this could have been the best track)

7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, after the tour is vague. It doesn't necessarily mean right after the tour.

Hopefully he's been less vague with axl and co. The only way this happens is if he makes it happen. But I think he's played ball with Axl enough to maybe get a record out of him... Soon probably isn't the word though

6 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

He did say that, but also that the plan was to start working on new music after this last tour was over. Tom Mayhue and Fortus (I know...) said the same.

Yeah but Slash is also going on tour for a lot of next year and he's going to be key to getting a record started.

40 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I could be wrong here.....but didn't Slash say most recently there was no new stuff? That they hadn't worked on a new album at all? 

There's no new stuff that they have collectively worked, but he also said he had material he viewed as gnr specific.

I don't know what the plan is, but from Slash's words he intends on making a gnr record, and he has been pretty clear that it is separate from the CD era material... At least in his mind. What happens? Time will tell. At the moment I'd prefer if they built the songs from scratch, these new songs just aren't hitting the target. Perhaps has come closest, but the rest to me would have been the weaker end of Chinese beside scraped etc. 

15 hours ago, adamsapple said:

So let me get this straight that dude is a singer but instead of singing himself he rather be a music journalist talking about other singers that actually do sing, right?

How long until people start making reaction videos to reaction videos? Or is that a thing already?

 

 

He does sing all the time, and puts out records all the time. His opinion is validated by the fact that he does the same job (you don't need to be a famous singer to have an opinion of course). One difference is he has maintained his voice remarkably well from day 1 and shows no signs of slowing down. Whether you like his voice / band or not is really beside the point on that too. The other difference is Axl is much richer and more famous. Similarity both released debuts that were excellent!

6 minutes ago, scottish nutter said:

to not sound like he did when he was 25 is fine, but to sound this bad and charge what they do for tickets is part of the problem.  this would be like watching the world famous Glasgow Rangers and the players miss the ball everytime they try and kick it, and ask £100 a ticket lol

That's the thing though. It would actually be more like the star players of the Glasgow rangers missing the ball while all the unknown players put on a good show. Axl sings the main hits a bit well, shit... But then he does reckless life or something and he sounds decent. 

It's not a case of retirement though, it's a case of understanding where his voice is at, and either sculping a set around it OR getting a coach that can help get him over the hurdle. He's not going to sing like a young man again, but he is far from a lost cause.

48 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I’m sad to see it come to an end. This was an amazing tour. Axl’s voice is horrid and worse as it’s ever been but literally everything else has been great. Music video, new songs, deep cuts and revamped set, etc. I don’t know what the future holds but I’m glad I was able to see them three times this tour, it was by far the most fun I’ve ever had being a GNR fan, and I really do love this lineup. I wish them the best in their break and hope it’s not the end, although with GNR silence you gotta accept it very well could be.

Not a chance this is the end outside of something tragic happening... Which I guess you can't rule out. But gnr are here to stay for years to come. They need a break. A year away is a good thing, hopefully some of that is spent sending demos around and recording 

6 minutes ago, JAxlMorrison said:

93 Chicago? Do you mean 92 with Coma? Or is there a 93 one I’m not thinking of?

I probably just gave the wrong year, whatever leaked last year

26 minutes ago, JAxlMorrison said:

I might be in the minority here, but does anyone else not care if they release any more 1987-1991 shows? We got the Ritz, ok cool. Let’s see some 1993, 2006, 2010 etc. 

I would love some well mixed 2006/2010 shows but I highly doubt that stuff is even near the top of any list of things to get done... Laughable to suggest that there's lists, I know.

I would love to hear the 1993 Chicago show properly released. And it's a crime that the UYI box set came and went without the documentary footage

35 minutes ago, ChristianGNR said:

My biggest fear was that Axl couldn't sing the raspier parts of The General and Monster and he sounded pretty decent.
Still needs to works on the verses, but he'll keeeps improving, for sure.

 

They didn't play monsters though? Just the general. I thought he sounded pretty close to the record, and I thought he wouldn't manage it

Just now, AxlRoseCDII said:

Coma16 has always posted vague mumblings. He is not an insider to the best of our knowledge. As of right now, there is no reason to assume a line up change is imminent.

There's always people spreading rumours at the end of every leg or when there's a break.

2 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

What happened? I haven't been keeping up with the show threads lately, has she not been there?

Who, Frank or Richard?

Word on the street... I mean come on. 

The word on the street probably stems from the one or two shows recently that Frank seemed checked out. I doubt there's much legitimacy ti this speculation. Melissa? I don't know, there's more chance of her leaving. No 1 she's young and she has solo aspirations and doesn't just want to be forever known as an additional musician for gnr, no matter how much of an honour it is to be given such a huge gig. No 2 she's clearly been having a very tough on this past run with the death of her friend right around the start of the shows. I would be surprised if Frank left or was replaced but Melissa is more likely to want out of these long tours. She might be completely happy with the tours and love the foundation it affords her, who knows! as far as he sickness, wishing her well and hoping she gets to at least play one of these last nights.

6 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

It's not just that they should have announced the delay before the last minute. They should have had their ducks in a row with the mix before they made it available to pre-order back in August. Hell, per Slash these reworkings we're done during 2020 and they were still listening to mixes in June of this year while on tour. Insanity. So I don't have any sympathy for them on this either. Is it wrong to release someone else's content without their permission? Yeah, but not to the extent that I have to feel sorry for them in this case. They've had years to work on getting this right.

Years to get it right true... But that doesn't factor in that bad pressings of vinyl happen, and by the time it happens it's not exactly a case of "we'll have it fixed tomorrow" you have to wait your turn. 

I 100% agree that everything should be a whole lot more organised though.

11 minutes ago, Lethalis said:

I can see a new album being released, but you'll probably won't like it. Because it's more than likely just more CD stuff. And even new stuff will sound more modern / different.

Well if Slash is writing it will instantly sound more traditional. The music he's recording on right now is a predetermined outcome, he can't change the chords he just gets to add some Slash sauce on top of it. Slash's solo material with Axl on top is basically what most gnr fans want. Whether that's what the collective of AXL, Slash and Duff want? Is questionable 

10 minutes ago, JimiRose said:

Well, unless you believe the tin foil hatters who think TB and Axl leaked these themselves... 

I have little sympathy for TB or Axl about these leaks. You beat a dog enough eventually it bites back. GnR fans are mistreated and not cared for at all by them, Axl is worth $300m and TB run a management company (poorly) so at least you know, talk to us occasionally or even better, release new music semi regularly when you say you will. 

Well... That's kinda bullshit. I get that we're underserved with new music and info and treated with a bit of contempt (well this forum) but when the band is actually putting stuff out and they are just trying to get the quality of the finished product up to their standard AND then someone leaks the tracks? I think that's a bit shit of whoever leaked it.

Yes, they should have announced the delay earlier than the day after the original shipping date😄, but whatever! A few extra weeks is no big deal. We want it all yesterday. When we had nothing it was "I'd just like to hear anything" then we got one song, then it became "when are they releasing more". Underserved but we're also insatiable.

Anybody still hoping for gnr to suddenly be this slick operation that hits all the targets, nope. That is never going to happen. Would be great, but no. 

3 hours ago, jackparker123 said:

It's funny to think that they could have released Soul Monster right at the beginning of the reunion in 2016, or even earlier obviously!

In 2016 it would have been massive news, and people would have taken the reunion way more seriously, rather than a cash grab tour.

How much more seriously can people take one of the single biggest tours of all time🤔

The reason they didn't release music straight away was they had no idea if the honeymoon would last. Why they waited so many years to start putting bits out?? That's beyond any of our individual or collective thinking abilities 😄