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Is this a new picture?

Never seen it before..... Who doctorized it?

I don't like it and I don't like how it's been used and who the hell are the so-called "haters"? It doesn't make any sense...

LOL.

Well, one more reason to NOT reunion. Old Guns all have family and 90 million kids. But there's room for only one family

Nah, Duff is different.... Duff is the coolest guy, he always shown much more patience to treat Axl than Slash did.... Maybe that encounter was by chance but Axl knows Duff is more forgiving and flexible than Slash. And Duff was determined to get close to Axl, otherwise he wouldnt have confronted the stupid entourage who wanted to stop him.

Slash wouldn't have joined the NuGuns to play some songs... he considers himself in the same level of stardom than Axl and I really doubt he'd do that.... I dunno.... Slash has become a rock icon too, a guitar legend or guitar hero so he will not put himself under Axl.

One thing is to make ammends and another thing is to work together. While I think they can talk to each other and fix some stuff, I'm not sure they can work together again. Slash has no patience and Axl needs all the patience in the world.

Well the "Guns N' Roses" page is following him, Ashba, Ron, Del and Richard are following him, I saw in some GNR forum or I guess this Forum that he is the guy who handles the social media, He works in a Consulting/Management company, you dont need to have 10 million followers to handle the page of someone else, http://sandiego.geekgirltechcon.com/instructors/nik-souris/

Of course they follow him back, what else could they do, they gave him the job.

What I mean is that not being that successful with your own social media is sort of a sign on how you are going to do the job for someone else.

This guys must have gotten the job thanks to some good contacts and not because he's a social media genius.

Agreed - yet by making his family/friends a part of his business Axl has ensured that line for him is forever blurred.

Yeah, that's one big mistake on his side... but the guy is only human and this woman Beta, she threatened to leave him if he didnt make her a manager. He was helpless...

(too bad he doesn't know me, i could do everything Beta does as a nanny and I would never ask him to manage the band )

Cool... Looks like in 2014 he achieved it effortless, unlike the previous years. I like that

Only proves that if he gave a fuck and was in shape and not rusty every time a tour starts, he would sound way better and more consistent.

We're getting the lazy version: he starts a tour fatter then ever, then his voice gets better, warmed up and stronger as the tour progresses and we see glimpses of not sucking. He's not supposed to suck. He's a great singer. Someone told me 20% talent 80% hard work. (thankfully he was amazing when I saw him in 2012. I suppose it was one of his good days)

Totally. But he hates rehearsals and I dunno why. So he goes and starts the tour as if it was a rehearsal. (This is good data to not buy tickets for the first dates of a tour, hehe)

I saw him in 2010 and 2011 and he was fucking amazing. I think in general he's good but people love focusing on the bad performances and make it look as if he was like that all the time.

I will still go see him on every chance I get, if he comes around these parts. The truth is that even when he's weak, I still just love that voice and live it's a powerful experience.

He doesn't come here that often either so seeing GN'R is a must in my life. I know that the show could blow at any moment and that danger of him leaving the stage for any reason or some dork provoking him from the audience it is always there and it's exciting.

I adore my prince Axel, I'm always there to support his shenanigans and I don't care one bit

What will happen IF

1). Someone locks Axl and Slash in a room alone

2). 20 people in the front of Axl's show carry posters saying "AXL LOVES SLASH"

3). Slash dresses like Ashba and goes to Axl's house

1. I've always had this fantasy of the ex-gunners planning an intervention kinda thing, misleading Axl and Slash into the same plane, then leaving the two of them alone, plane takes off and bang!

Now, seriously, I think they would talk and fix the whole crap. I have faith on them

2. Their posters would be set on fire.

3. Slash already dressed like Buckethead, lol....

I don't think Slash will try that again, even though he's got guts after trying to enter the Vegas show, he just had bad luck! And I remember Slash saying it's weird he's never bumped into Axl anywhere in Los Angeles, so I guess effectively avoids him and makes sure he doesn't go to the same places than Slash. Sucks too much

He is the guy who handles the GNR social media pages https://twitter.com/NickyChips

No one with barely 2,700 followers himself can be trusted to manage a FB account of 31million fans and almost 2million on Twitter....

His TL consists mostly of RT's

I have no problem with Brazilian fans who care more about worshipping Axl, his domestic life and kissing his feet than they do about music or the band per se. I just wish Guns N' Roses weren't managed by one.

I don't hate Beta. Although I used to be a Guns N' Roses fan up until a few months back, so she most certainly hates me and sees me as a rival for Axl's affections in whatever fucked up warped way she seems to see all fans, especially those who've dared to utter a dissenting opinion.

What consistently blows my mind is that a guy as intelligent as Axl can't seem to see that his years of surrounding himself with Del James, fucking Jarmo etc....i.e. people so lacking in integrity and so sycophantic he could give them a can of his own warm diarrhea and they'd praise it as his best release since Appetite For Destruction....if you surround yourself with people like that, you have no challenges, no one spurring you on and you slip into mediocrity.

Whenever anyone in the general public talks about Axl Rose these days - and this is my experience - it's in the past tense. "Oh man, he was great!"

To me the fact that the last great rockstar is apparently content with that and will likely live out his days being reamed by yes-men who'll love him as long as they're on the payroll while the world at large slowly stops giving a shit is an absolute tragedy. Reminds me of Elvis. In fact the similarities are striking. Get fat, lose your vitality, forget who you used to be, surround yourself with brown-tonguing parasites who don't actually care about what would be best for you, go to Vegas and play for only the most casual fans who are too in awe of who you used to be to realise the sad mess you've become.

You're right but getting friends is not something you can do by going to the shop and selecting people, specially for a celebrity like him, it must be so hard to keep relationships and make new ones because you never know who's there for your money or for who you are.

Remember, Axl lost many friends to drugs and his real family walked out from him. When Axl got home after the UYI world tour, there was no one there waiting for him. The guy was alone, completely on his own, no family, no wife, no kids, some friends and his colleagues all involved in drugs, alcohol, months away from being dead too. He grabbed what he could and that's how the Lebeis family came accross. Had to hire Beta to help him out and keep him company...

Unfortunately, Axl wasn't able to fix that void with a real family of his own. Had he had a wife or children, his life would be completely different now. I feel like Axl thinks he's done enough... he achieved the maximum and now he's enjoying the fruit of his labor.... He must have his reasons to not want to be back in the spotlight.

I always think that had I been blessed with his voice and his beautiful face I woulda conquered the world but yet again, I'm not in his shoes and I will never know what is being that beautiful and talented and having a load of people demanding shit from me.

you're only stooping according to you're opinion.........dude's a guitarist that doesn't sing......he's Just makin' a livin'

Slash's not making a living... this guy is...

I hate that video. It's not funny and I don't think Slash must be proud or even laugh at the fact that some idiot is out there adding fuel to the fire in his relationship with Axl.

It's really sad there are people like that in this world.

lol relax tiny. It's not sad, it's funny, or at least harmless.

I thought Italians were less strict.

well, I don't find it funny, specially if some people believe it to be real.

Not harmless... Having someone else "speaking" in your behalf and getting involved in a feud that is not theirs, it's not cool.

Cool... Looks like in 2014 he achieved it effortless, unlike the previous years. I like that

Only proves that if he gave a fuck and was in shape and not rusty every time a tour starts, he would sound way better and more consistent.

We're getting the lazy version: he starts a tour fatter then ever, then his voice gets better, warmed up and stronger as the tour progresses and we see glimpses of not sucking. He's not supposed to suck. He's a great singer. Someone told me 20% talent 80% hard work. (thankfully he was amazing when I saw him in 2012. I suppose it was one of his good days)

Totally. But he hates rehearsals and I dunno why. So he goes and starts the tour as if it was a rehearsal. (This is good data to not buy tickets for the first dates of a tour, hehe)

I saw him in 2010 and 2011 and he was fucking amazing. I think in general he's good but people love focusing on the bad performances and make it look as if he was like that all the time.

I hate that video. It's not funny and I don't think Slash must be proud or even laugh at the fact that some idiot is out there adding fuel to the fire in his relationship with Axl.

It's really sad there are people like that in this world.

Cool... Looks like in 2014 he achieved it effortless, unlike the previous years. I like that

I think someone summed it up a page or two ago (tr?) about TB: they're not professionals. They don't have experience. Fernando and Vanessa were kids when Beta started working for Axl and Beta herself was a nanny. And now they're managing a band that still brings in millions of dollars per year through royalties, etc. and is known worldwide as a cultural icon. It's like handing someone the keys to the Space Shuttle when they've only flown kites in their backyard. Or expecting someone to do brain surgery when they've taken one biology class. And that's not a slam on them, it's an observation that they just don't have the experience that some other band managers might have.

If the band actually had a social media person who knew their stuff and how to best manage GnR's internet presence, we might not see posts like that horrible video. With a lot of groups it seems that even if the individual members have control over their persona social media pages - and therefore can act like morons there if they wish - the *band* pages are polished, thanks to professional social media management. They've perfected the art of giving fans information and "inside scoops" without oversharing. Aerosmith's page is pretty good with that, IMHO, as is Steven Tyler's fan Facebook. Walking Papers and Loaded, too.

With this? I honestly wonder if they don't know what to post. "Hey, we should post something personal! Okay, the video!" "Hey, maybe we should comment on news stories!" "Show photos of fan art!" Etc. They don't know what to do or how to manage this brand because they've never managed anything else, much less something this big. At the very least even if Axl wants to keep TB as his management -and let's be honest, that's going to be the case - they might want to consider at least hiring a social media person.

I'm pretty much sure the ones who do this job are Del and Fernando. They don't hire a social media person because a social media manager would challenge them to actually create a social media strategy and the thing is they don't even have a strategy for the band itself!

A community manager would require news, information, photos, videos.... New material to show but they don't wanna share anything with the fans. Ithey could show the process of getting the album done, but is an album beign "cooked" at the moment?

Band's inactivity is what prevents them from hiring a person to take care of it. And the ones who do this don't have a fucking clue about how to manage the periods of shortage.

Dude has some collaborations with pop acts, but thats nothing new. It started with Michael Jackson back in the day, so what? Still some pretty good ones, Give In To Me or Street Child are fantastic for example.

Sure, he played on some forgettable songs like that one with Rihanna but out of the probably 100 collaborations there are maybe 10 that aren't good. He is a musican who likes to play guitar. It's so Easy

Collaboration with Michael Jackson was the best thing ever. He should have stuck with that level of artists and don't stoop so low as to play with Paulina Rubio, Marta Sanchez, Rihanna or Fergie!

What's the need to ruin himself like that?

I think I read "integrity" and I had to look it up on You Tube

and

Those are actually two solid posts by Stella.

(See Tiny Robot - I call em like I see em! Good or bad. Not picking on or bullying anybody!!! I can ignore all the nasty things she says about me and still compliment a good post!)

Good! Congratulations to you and I hope you can stay in this respectful state of not following her around the forum with that holier-than-thou finger of yours

But what if the guy makes a really good sandwich?

I understand your point and I think we agree.

I find celebrity worship extremely weird, so it always strikes me as strange (and pathetic) when I see adults doing it. Axl is one of my favorite singers of all time - favorite rock singer of all time - and I listen to GnR more than all other bands put together. So it just seems really weird - and funny - to me when somebody like your stella constantly praises Axl, but then says she stopped being fans of a band because somebody was a jerk on Twitter. I suppose that is what I find so amusing - when people have a double or different standard for Axl than they do for other musicians or people. Bullying???? Come on, you're better than that. If she is going to dish it out and act like she is friends with Axl - then she shouldn't cry when people question her on it.

Her little rant she just fired off features more insults - and way ruder comments - about me than anything I've ever said about her. I've lumped her in with the people who idolize Axl's every move. I've never swore or called her vulgar names, I've never made personal attacks against her, etc. Calling somebody a stalker because they've made 4-5 comments about you on a FORUM - that's how her brain works, lol. Several times I've seen her make posts where she claims a band member is doing something or why they did something. Never saying "I think........" but just making a statement about Axl or an ex-member like it was FACT. So I made a couple comments about her being actual friends with the band. That's not bullying or being a stalker. Her rant was way worse than anything I've ever said about her.

And dude!!! Didn't I read yesterday where you told some guy his opinion was like sh*t on Steven Hawking's pants or something like that?

At the end of the day, I think people need to realize this is just a rock band, and this is just a rock forum, and not take things so personally.

Stella can worship and idolize Axl Rose all she wants. Good for her. But that doesn't mean the rest of the adults on the forum can't comment on how strange it is.

Look at you and I. We've had numerous disagreements and fights on here. And we agree on a lot of things. But we can still chat about whatever is in the very next topic in a respectful manner. I'm not sure your Stella is capable of that. Maybe the Axl worship comments just hit too close to home for her. Maybe she's more normal in other topics?

The Subway guy making a great sandwich is his fucking job and he's expected to do it. LOL.

In the case of musicians and singers, I have personally chosen my Prince Axl over anyone else, so it is my own decision to stick with him or not. He owes me nothing.

When you talk about "worshipping" or actually using that word to describe certains things, I'm not sure you are doing it correctly. I guess it's more like a comfortable word that you use to describe being a fan, but worship in its real meaning, has a negative connotation and even though I can't be 100% sure saying this, I think most people here do not "worship" GN'R or Axl. We are just fans who love them and are fond of the memories and feelings this band grew on us.

Worshipping would imply having an altar in our homes and praying to our God Axl and lighting candles and doing everything as he command us to do (which is basically nothing, lol). Except for Karen McNeil, Axelette and a couple other psychos, I don't think there are many more people around here who actually "worships" this band .... so.... I see no problem with people being enthusiastic defending Axl or Slash in a fan forum, because we are here to talk about them, what is wrong with it? If there is one weird and pathetic thing to mention, it is the people who are here to completely disregard the band, Axl, Slash and hate them to the bone. Now that's fuckin' pointless and weird and I will never understand it.

I really don't see anything strange with Stella sticking with Axl while giving up on artists who are jerks on Twitter, because possibly maybe, she's not that much of a fan of them. She merely likes them. It happens to me too. Actually, GNR is the only band I put up with all of their shanenigans and shits and craps. However, its not the only band, artist I enjoy and love. I really really love lots of singers and bands but I'm not emotionally involved with them as much as I am with GNR. The only important thing to me is their music and I have no clue about their lives or whatever they do offstage.

As for the rest, I don't think she insulted you. She just put you in your place and I think you deserved it because you've been following her around the forum and quoting her, attacking her in any response she posted, questioning her about stuff that had nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Obsessing over things that you should not.

I'm sorry I've been watching you and I didnt want to step up for her because I didn't want to ruin the thread or get myself into trouble, but I find it disturbing that mods were overlooking your behavior. Dunno.... looks like this is your style when you are not ok with something and you've done it to me before. I know how you operate and I don't think it's an "adult" behavior, as you are always pointing out that we should all act in adult ways... well, watch yourself in the mirror.. and please, don't take it wrong... I'm just commenting on this whole thing.

Stella's posts are never insulting or out of place. I like when she responds and I consider she's a valuable poster here. And I still think you should not tell her (or anyone) how to live her "fangirl" hours.... Not one single person here is the "perfect" poster or the "perfect fan" (if there is such thing as a perfect something).... u know.... we are all humans... this is written communication... at times we can make mistakes and express ourselves incorrectly on things, maybe because we are tired, or sick, or sad, or depressed, or whatever is affecting us in our personal lives....

I admit I can be rational and cool in one thread, and a complete jackass at another, and that may be due to my mood of the moment or because I dont like that forum member and most of times, because of the way they approached me or refer to me. That is the case of the Stephen Hawkings comment, when this one guy was saying that I am stupid for not seeing how Myles Kennedy is an accomplished and critically acclaimed singer/songwriter, while DJ Ashba is a guitarist Axl picked from the trash bin. Then I was like "ok, yeah, your brilliant mental associations make Stephen Hawking shit on his pants." LOL

Ummm... Sorry for the wall of text

I don't hear re-recorded stuff to lengths that you can actually go saying "omg this is so fake". There might be some re-recorded parts, but not everything of it, not to great extents, that is fuckin' bullshit in your twisted minds.

read post #97 and just listen to LIVE ERA. if you're somehow in the know about Axl's voice, you will get the point. if not, you have plenty much time to learn about.

I read everything in this thread and I have listened to "LIVE ERA" for years before you were born, so don't understimate me as a fan.

I dont have shit to learn because what you wrote in that post is utter NERD CRAP and I'm not into that. I said I do believe there might be re-recorded parts, for sure there are, or mixes of different shows in one song, but it's not something the general audience cares for or something that makes you feel you are listening to studio recorded vocals.

Most of it sounds like Axl live because it is Axl live. Period.

insulting me, cause of your own laziness to compare LIVE ERA parts (as mentioned in post #97) exactly or being unable to tell the difference, wont get you nowhere, as those Axl vocals still remain re-recorded. you can believe what you want, and Santa Claus still might be real for some people.

but i will help you a little: i did buy LIVE ERA myself the day it was released. over the years i've also done some DVD projects with comparing LIVE ERA sound to the source audio sound. and those are facts, too!

LAZINESS??

This is not laziness, this is me having a job and more important things in life than being a gnr nerd doing this bullshit you say you've been doing for years.... Tell me, what's the outcome of it? Did you get paid tons of money for investing so much precious time on this?

And most importantly.... Did Axl call you to congratulate you on your findings? Because now THAT would be an accomplishment.

It sounds like you're impersonating him and that's bad bad bad. At times, I felt like laughing. Sorry

I think you shouldn't do this or go for his "style" at all if you want to be a singer, please get rid of Axl. The gingerhead is unique and when impersonated the person doing it looks and sound mostly like a clown so please, try to find your own style and don't force your voice like that.

Remind me...and humor me, really don't want to read this whole thread... why do people so adamantly believe that vocals were re-recorded?

because it is frequent that some people in the north side of the continent are prone to believe in conspirations.

I don't hear re-recorded stuff to lengths that you can actually go saying "omg this is so fake". There might be some re-recorded parts, but not everything of it, not to great extents, that is fuckin' bullshit in your twisted minds.

read post #97 and just listen to LIVE ERA. if you're somehow in the know about Axl's voice, you will get the point. if not, you have plenty much time to learn about.

I read everything in this thread and I have listened to "LIVE ERA" for years before you were born, so don't understimate me as a fan.

I dont have shit to learn because what you wrote in that post is utter NERD CRAP and I'm not into that. I said I do believe there might be re-recorded parts, for sure there are, or mixes of different shows in one song, but it's not something the general audience cares for or something that makes you feel you are listening to studio recorded vocals.

Most of it sounds like Axl live because it is Axl live. Period.

We've had the opportunity to see it from both angles, really. The RnR HoF performance and Velvet Revolver have shown us, more or less, what GnR is like without Axl. NuGuns have shown us what GnR is like without Slash and Duff. None of those configurations really have the magic that the classic AfD and UYI lineups did, but out of the two, I still think that nuGuns is closer.

In just about any group the singer is the public face of the band. There are a few exceptions there, like Van Halen with EVH, but it's usually how it goes. Queen, the Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Doors, Aerosmith, The Cure, Nirvana, et al - could you imagine any of those bands with a different lead singer? It can work from a technical level, but the identity and energy of the band is totally different. Even when one thinks that the lead singer isn't the most important cog in the machine there can be surprises - Motley Crue with John Corabi for instance. Nikki and Tommy are considered perhaps the key members of that band, and Vince's singing has long been criticized, but when Vince was out, their sales tanked. Point being, I think that many people weigh the lead singer's influence and presence more than that the other members.

This.

Specially with Axl, who is much more than just a singer. He's an icon, a rock legend now.

IMO, the closest we could have to old GNR would be Axl, Slash & Duff... from that base you can add anyone you want and you will always have GN'R. That's basically how it was after Izzy left. It was Axl, Slash and Duff. Gilby, Matt and Dizzy were just part of the set.

And yeah, no band that lost their singer lasted too long after it happened. Remember INXS? They tried to replace Mike Hutchence and it just simply failed bad.

There was no Beatles after Lennon. No Queen after Freddie. No Nirvana after Kurt.

I'm sorry