Nice Boy

Also, if you like Nice Boys, check out the version from that 'roots of guns n roses' album. It's even faster than the LLAS version, Adler totally going for it full pelt

On 3 November 2019 at 5:40 PM, Axl`s BFF said:

I saw in one of the pictures axl had a peaky blinders t shirt on hope he buys a flats cap

He can't do that, he will look as if he is trying too hard to channel Brian Johnson

Not as much a crime as Ashba wearing a top hat though 

Bob Clearmountain did the Q Sound mix. One of the band found a notepad of his. He was planning to add a load of drum hits over Matt Sorum's track. They fired him and hired someone else for the final mix. 

That's what I remember from Slash's book.

4 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

adlers drumming on nice boys may be the best drumming on any gnr song minus brownstone 

With you on that.. Well it's maybe not amazingly complicated but it's fast and pounding with good swing and some nice fills, it's one of my favourite tracks (so is Browstone)

Lies is amazing, there isn't a shit song on it, lyrics of OIAM aside. 

I think You're Crazy is one of the best examples of Axl's vocal versatility, it's sublime. 

I actually like the shit quality recording on the LLAS tracks, I think it suits them. I even think I would prefer to hear some of the rockers off UYI recorded like that. Right Next Door, Perfect Crime and Garden of Eden are similarly paced etc but sound almost too polished in the production for what they are.

5 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

well said

its the only album that gives credence to the fact that gnr could have produced any genre of music ranging from country (youre crazy) to pure rock (reckless life) to spanish themed tunes à la used to love her 

furthermore the only half filler song is move to the city, appetite has more filler 

what they should've done is included shadow and dead flowers then u got the best album - i know i was exagerating a tad here boys

Well they deliberately left Shadow of Your Love off Lies precisely because it is too similar to Reckless and Nice Boys, fast punky hard rock.

They couldn't realistically have put Dead Flowers on the same record as Used To Love Her, because UTLH just is their own reworking of Dead Flowers. 

How do you figure Crazy is a country song? It's a heavy blues track created from jamming around The Seeker. I don't hear much country in it. UTLH is more country than Crazy.

19 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

Probably the reason for his endless noodling majority of the time. I cant think.of a reason w hy you need KOHD to go for between 10 to 15mins.

I think it could be because Axl genuinely needs breathing space, a break from straining himself, in order to do a 3 hour set. 

Some of the vocal coach react videos go into the techniques

In around 90 or 91 the British children's comic The Beano had a strip about naughty boys called The Bash Street Kids, and one of them professed a liking for GnR.

15 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

It was a good episode. Paul was having it away with the other twin. Caroline or Christina. 

Haha, you've gotta be from the UK.. only us Brits got that fixated with Aussie soaps to that extent 😬

Come to think of it, I can see your taped episode of Neighbours and raise you, the 4 hours of Prisoner Cell Block H that I made my Mum record so I could catch up after a 2 week holiday in Ireland with my Dad. Came home and watched the whole lot b2b whilst eating jam Wagon Wheels.

Rock n fuckin Roll 🤓

Back on topic though: much as it's annoying being deprived of live GnR material in this day and age, there was a certain charm about having to track down bootlegs etc back in the 90s. The main source for me was record fairs where you could get cassettes of live shows and EPs of demos etc. Even as a 12 year old with limited pocket money I managed to get a load of stuff; the CBGB concert, various UYI bootlegs, the demos of Ain't Goin Down, Shadow, etc, loads more. The Internet has made us complacent about accessing material now. But the removal of the few decent ish AFD live videos we had really fucks me off, I can't see any justification for that.

5 hours ago, Creed said:

Slash is probably bored with playing the same stuff on every gig...gnr classics are cool, but without new stuff its just boring...

i don't think he's bored with it, playing in front of huge audiences is far too intense an experience to become 'boring', and he admits he still gets nervous, but still it's his favourite thing. However you could say it had lost its spontaneity because it's all done by a regimented system now. They would say that's just mature professionalism probably.

Neighbours, ouch! 😅

Speaking of neighbours.. When the Paris PPV show was aired in 1992, we didn't have satellite TV at home, and I was sad I couldn't watch it. As I roamed about in our front garden I suddenly heard the show magically begin - our next door neighbour was watching it. I didn't know them to ask if I could join them. So I ended up listening to it in our front garden, occasionally catching a glimpse of it through the window of our neighbour. So frustrating, but what ya gonna do, lol. 

But are Tool playing the same size venues as GnR? Surely the sheer effort of employing security to confiscate phones at the gate would slow down entrance and be massively complicated, not to mention that trying to get security to wade into an enormous crowd to grab phones from anyone who'd smuggled them in would potentially be disastrous, especially for a band with GnRs history. 

Olympic stadiums etc are not the Troubadour.

Ultimately I think Axl has mellowed, and had come to terms with it. Also probably under strict contractual obligation not to fuck with the crowd, by order of Slash.

"Shut up and sing and don't violent assault people with cameraphones." Sign here please Mr.Rose. Thank you here is twenty zillion dollars. 

Why wasn't Cobain happy with Grohls drumming though? It was pretty awesome. Maybe he caught wind of Grohl's hankering to be frontman of a mega big pop rock band.

I thought this thread was going to be about eradicating the Foo Fighters, I'd be down with that

I've never seen the appeal, it's pretty bland bubblegum rock

That said, I've not listened to their whole catalogue, maybe there are gems.

But I'm guessing it's just ten albums of the same radio friendly unit shifters (hat har)

Good question. 

Amy Winehouse's 'Valerie' (by the Zutons) 

Joe Cocker's 'With a lityle help from my friends' (by the Beatles)

Aerosmith's 'I'm Down' (by the Beatles)

They're all songs which were better when covered imo. Loads more but those spring to mind.

As for GnR: I think they made Mama Kin, Nice Boys, Heavens Door (80s live version) more enjoyable than the originals.

Sympathy For The Devil and Live n Let Die are fucking awful, in my humbly outrageous opinion.

Listening to more than a few Floyd songs in a row makes me want to top myself tbh

Fearless (off Meddle) is a great song though, I love that, it's one of my go-to inspiration songs

Also, the "no one's gonna bother me anymore" bit in Coma reminds me of Floyd. Serene.

I suppose on the flip side, without these annoying cellphone people we wouldn't have any live footage of the concerts. Not that any of it manages to stay up on YouTube for very long. All the more reason for them to release official pro shot videos I guess. People might be less inclined to film it themselves.

They did ban cellphones at the first Troubador gig didn't they.

It would be logistically impossible at big venues though. 

When I saw Velvet Revolver, Slash looked out at the crowd, got on the mic and said "it used to be a sea of fuckin' lighters in the air but now it's a sea of fuckin' cellphones, man" 🙂🎸

I think the reason Slash is doing more speedy shredding these days is because:

a. He is sober, so can concentrate better 

b. He has had several decades more practice than in the 80s/90s

c. He feels he has to compensate for not being as 'technical' as other guitarists in the past. 

Although in the 80s/90s he presented himself as a Hendrix type bluesy emotional 'feel' guitarist than a speedy Van Halen copy, part of him probably wants to show us all that he can shred if he wants to. 

But actually he doesn't have to, because his old style was fucking awesome and still contained some fast playing in measured doses. Argentina DTJ from '92 is better than the NITL performances, imo.

Despite his sometimes 'sloppiness' in the old days I'd still rather watch a low quality video of him fucking up and restarting the SCOM intro three times (like in Ritz 91) than Ashba completely butchering the same song with an out of tune guitar AND having the cheek to wear a top hat, on whatever shitshow than was in the nu GNR era. 

2 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

I always assumed changes like that were made while recording Appetite.. Frr other songs as well. Maybe suggestion made by producers?

That's very possible yeah, though the band were generally resistant to outsiders suggestions weren't they. Niven got them to take out the second "And when you're high.." from WTTJ though ..

If there's nothing written about this I guess it would take someone with a comprehensive 86/87 bootleg collection to narrow it down..

Exactly, the fact that they rearranged the outro made it the song epic and uplifting, and defines the end of AFD as a whole. 

If you listen to early 1986 recordings of Rocket Queen, the structure of the outro is different to the final AFD version. It's simpler, and begins with the three descending notes progression that only appears later in the final AFD version. It can be heard on e.g Music Machine '86 and the demos from that era.

So there must have been a specific gig where the AFD version of the outro was first played. 

Can anyone deduce when that was?

Seriously though:

Get rid of some unnecessary covers, then add a new song, The Garden, and Nice Boys

Well that's enough for me