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I don't think he's flawless and I'm not going to say I "love him"

But from a music standpoint, I love him because hearing Don't Cry and November Rain as a kid played a role in shaping how I viewed music, rock and the world

I've always felt CITR is a fantastic song and one of Axl's best from a songwriting perspective.  This might not be the thread for it, but ChiDem has some fantastic songs on it (IMO) and I wonder if it just wasn't ever given a chance due to the circumstances around it (the GN'R name, the time it took to make and the expectations that brought, people mainly wanting at the very least Slash back)

14 minutes ago, fantomas said:

Going crude is simply lazy and it's writing for a juvenile audience. 16 year old me loved get in the ring in 91. Now I just cringe at it. We all know Axl can write quality lyrics. Absurd lyrics are just half assed.

The music is there, all it needed was better words.

There was a review for the UYIs I read once that made a great point that touches on this.

The review reflected on WTTJ's writing sensibilities with its line; feel my serpentine

Vs

Get in the ring: **** you, suck my ******** dick

(and I actually prefer the UYIs over AFD, but I've always loved the point made here)

Edit:  Also, I was not aware that Brian May was on Atlas

1 hour ago, mingsubu said:

They're old and way past their prime. Any new album will get little airplay and quickly forgotten about.

Stick to being a nostalgia act.

A new album wouldn't be about airplay or modern-day mainstream attention (thought it would get some, like the semi-reunion and NITL tour has).  It would be for rocks fans, rock history/legacy and GN'R fans

Looks like the possibility of a new album is back on the menu, boys!  Had to log in today

41 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

State of Grace, Perhaps, Atlas Shrugged, Hard School, Soul Monster, Oklahoma, The General, Quicksong, Zodiac ... The next Guns album has the potential to be a fucking epic release ... I had nearly lost all hope on an album but with them releasing SILKWORMS of all songs has completely restored my faith that CDII is still in the works and will see the light of day ... Rock music is in desperate need of epic tunes and these songs I think will have a great impact

I don't want to set unrealistic expectations but with the unfinished/unreleased heavy hitter songs that would have been on CDII, whatever stuff Slash and others may have been working on over the years plus new ideas, they just might release a fantastic album

38 minutes ago, Ixtlan said:

Are there any members here who now have renewed hope for an album? I mean the fans who said it would never happen. 

I believe now, more than ever

2 minutes ago, fantomas said:

He was about 20 when he wrote that. At some point you have to grow the fuck up. 

Yeah, I like the song but Silkworms felt a bit juvenile in 2001.  It feels much more so now.  It's So Easy is much more "classy" in its raunchiness as well that makes it timeless.  Nothing wrong raunchy songs.  Obnoxiously vulgar songs feel a bit much at this stage in the game for GN'R.  Still enjoy the song but this whole situation has clear faults to it

Ugh, why didn't they release Hardschool this way?! They will never get a second chance for what there first new song was

Am I remembering wrong or didn't the song originally have a bridge that went something like;

"Oh tell me what can I do?
With a bitch like you?
You know that it's true."

????

NuGNR's Silkworms actually grew on me a ton so I am enjoying this I just think it's a poor effort for a "first new song in 13 years and first new studio release song of Axl with Slash in how many years it's been" sort of song.

Slash's guitar sounds amazing on this.  Just feels surreal hearing (sort of) new Axl vocals with new work from Slash

Song has a great chaotic energy to it but man I wish they had just released BRING IT BACK HOME (!!!!!!) instead if they wanted to finish an old unfinished but unofficially released track about girls

I want a whole album of sleazy, bluesy rock sounding GN'R songs like that

Something not from the ChiDem sessions

Even though Izzy hasn't been involved with the semi-reunion tour, do ya'll think if GN'R were serious about releasing another album that Izzy would be wanted by Axl, Slash and Duff and do you think Izzy would join in on the song writing if he were wanted?

I'm a big Axl defender and Axl is the writer of most of my fav GN'R lyrics, but.... I think there probably is a lot of truth to this.  Looking back at the late 80s and early 90s, Izzy does seem like that magic, steady part that seems to hold it all together when it comes to getting songs started and finished.

You know that video where Izzy talks about going to Axl and playing riffs for him and Axl would critique what he's hearing and Izzy says he would go back to the drawing board and come back and play Axl something else?  You can see that Izzy really is that more soft-spoken, lower maintenance guy who really got the foundation of a lot of songs ready to go and from there the band had something to build on and finish for material.  I mean aren't there stories of NuGuns having a few Izzy tunes they were tinkering around with and didn't Slash mention in one of his books that in the mid 90s he heard some stuff Izzy had been working on and he felt if GN'R had still been around they could have turned these ideas into some of their best material?

Hasn't Duff said that Axl loves cardio exercise?

3 hours ago, AXL_N_DIZZY said:

Illusions is my favorite era, and I therefore would welcome any involvement from Matt, and Gilby. That said- they are relics from a much more ambiguous time (i.e. lines blurred between “member” and “additional musicians”)- that frankly didn’t end well. Richard/Frank/Melissa etc. are professionals that keep their head down and stay in their lane IMHO. That is likely what is required in order for this crazy machine to keep rolling (which is what I want above all else- plus I like them  fine)...

The Illusion albums are my fav GN'R records

I want bluesy rock.  But I'll gladly take what they give

I understand why a lot of fans have been critical about Duff lately but it was only a few short years ago that Duff was viewed as the MVP of Guns N' Roses in mending things with Axl and Slash.  I know the Izzy situation and how Duff has commented about it and other things has been divisive but I still appreciate Duff and I agree with him 100% about social media being poisonous.  Good things can come from social media but there's a lot of bad to it as well

I wonder what goes through Axl's head when he (and others, but he's the main driving force behind it) write all these songs, most are probably at least great, and he just sits on them for years.  Is this just more evidence that Axl really simply doesn't care about certain things (like glory and adoration or attention)?  Or more evidence he is pretty sensitive to how stuff he makes is received?  Does he think these songs aren't up to snuff or did the ChiDem album reception just make him not care about giving more music to many people who won't appreciate it? 

When Brian Wilson released Smile decades after it was intended to release, didn't he include a lot of different takes of the songs?  I feel like there's a great potential for Axl to do something similar with ChiDem era stuff. 

30 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

A three-second clip of Atlas and some disc screenshots were leaked to prove this is all real.

the discs include ChiDem demos, 15 unheard songs, AFD ‘99, and then dozens instrumentals, jams, and isolated drum tracks, guitar tracks, keyboard tracks, etc.”

UPDATE: apparently the fan who got the discs is re-selling them for $15000, last I read. Guess they’re not interested in trading anymore?

Wow this is crazy because when it comes to the mythical unreleased GNR songs I want to hear, Atlas is my top one.  I think that's the one described as 70s glam rock/disco or something like that

1 hour ago, axlweave said:

Well guys I think it all just a teaser the person who has this stuff will never fully leak it but at least it gave the forum a biz for a bit and better than seeing post about gnr merch

What exactly happened?  This thread blew up and I can read through all the pages to see what happened but if someone wouldn't mind providing a summary of this thread, I'd appreciate it

Edit: Also, when it comes to stuff in the vault, what do you want?  I think I'd love to see a really well done documentary (maybe done similar to the style of VH1's old "Behind The Music" series) of the UYI tour that pulls from all that footage Slash says they have of the UYI tour

Duff used to be viewed as a hero for his role in reuniting himself, Axl and Slash but now look at how he's viewed

11 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I still don't get it. I assume you refer to the sign Dizzy held up in the Don't Cry video. What joke did Axl make? Did he ask Fernando to remove the joke? You lost me.

 

Someone held up a Where's Izzy sign near the beginning of the NITL tour and Axl pointed it out on stage and kindly shrugged it off saying something like "that's a good question, I don't know".  No anger or hate or maliciousness or frustration was shown on Axl's part

That open letter is a mic drop.  Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house

I think the Illusion albums might be more of the "true" sound of GN'R than AFD.  By that, I mean songs like Dust N' Bones, Breakdown, KOHD, Yesterdays, Bad Apples, Bad Obsession, 14 Years.  Songs like that.  Kind of a country/folksy tinge to the sound.  Also I think there's kind of an experimental/artistic edge to their sound that is captured in stuff like Locomotive and Coma and those are found on the Illusion albums.  Rocket Queen kind of has that in the masterful outro it switches to near the end of the song though and that's on AFD.  I could be completely wrong here.  It's just if I'm thinking of unpopular opinions, the idea that maybe the Illusions might be more the sound of what GN'R really is, that's all I've got off the top of my head

But I thought we learned recently the vocals on ChiDem are all or largely from the 90s?  And I also thought there was like 6 years of no real, considerable work done after the UYI tour (Axl's wilderness years)?  So if this stuff happened in 1997 and UYI tour ended in summer of 93, how is Axl able to have 6 or so empty years yet be in the studio with Moby with a lot of songs made up for him to listen to in 1997?  And if the vocals of ChiDem are from the 90s, as comments from last year suggest, how did Axl have no vocals to show for Moby in 1997?  I'm not saying Moby is sitting here telling straight lies, but there are so many conflicting statements about the making of ChiDem.  If you believe everything you hear about it, timelines don't match up and one thing said about it seems to contradict another thing said about it.  Aren't there reports of some other producer who was super level headed and worked with Axl around 97-99 who said there were like three honestly good songs and he told Axl he needed to be a bit more focused and Axl got angry and the relationship ended?  I don't believe this account implied there were no vocals made for the music.  It's all just really confusing and hard to follow to be honest